Nu-Metal

I'm genuinely curious, why is Nu-Metal looked at as a joke? People act like it was an awkward phase in music, but it was just music. And there were some indisputable bangers. What's so bad about it?

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I don't get the joke either. I think Deftones and SOAD are great bands.

Nothing, it's the only kind of metal that still fills stadiums

The sound is very commercial and MTV/radio-friendly which makes the anger and angst feel plastic and illegitimate. Not that I'm saying you can't enjoy it, just trying to explain why it turns a lot of people off.

Because I think most of the white kids we know today started buying rap and thinking it was the realest thing out there and the michigan and ohio based hatred of the shitty deteriorating system-- the nu-metal movement effectively-- was seen as a planted genre and had no purpose of existing.

Fucking disgusting. I hate music critics, would it kill them to go out to shows and ask people, 'why do you find appeal in this?'

Nu metal is the only tolerable form of metal. But every band is shit in terms of taking their own music seriously.

To be fair, pretty much every nu metal group had incredibly cringey teenage-angst lyrics, so I get why they're such a target. I like a few bands from that scene though.

It was hugely popular and was on MTV a lot and some people hate anything that gets big, so that's one reason.
It was metal, or at least seen by people as a form of metal, so that's another reason. Metal of any form has always been viewed by snobby critics as "white trash" music for angsty teens and nothing more.
Much like the metal and hip hop it took influence from, it was criticized by "progressive" groups for being "anti gay" "anti female" etc etc and in generally overtly "macho" which is never good for those kinds of people, that's another reason
Metal elitists hated it because it was a drastic departure from any traditional form of metal music despite still carrying the label, that's another reason

Nu-Metal had a lot stacked against it, regardless of the hate it still sold a ridiculous amount of albums and was basically the biggest rock movement in America for a while and it's flagship bands are still successful headline acts, so it's really irrelevant how much people hated it.

I mean I can see that with Limp Bizkit and Adema on Immortal, but I never thought it was meant to be taken seriously to be honest

Limp Bizkit are a different thing, they always clearly sounded like they didn't take themselves too seriously, now compare them to stuff like KoRn or Slipknot which was the quintessential angsty mallcore kid soundtrack.

What people forget is that Korn's direct, personal, revealing approach to writing lyrics is part of what made them so fresh at the time to begin with.

They were a heavy band who wasn't writing about slaying dragons, nuclear winter, satan, or girls girls girls. What they were doing was mostly unheard of at the time and that made it unique and fresh. Obviously once a million other bands came out doing the same thing, then it became an easily mocked cliche.

I dunno, I've found that in recent years people have grown to be nostalgic about it. Perhaps because it was the last time rock music actually had an element of fun about it, and since then we've just had a succession of Indie bands that take themselves too seriously.

Nu-metal had more to do with goth rock, post-hardcore, and skateboard culture shit (and hip hop duh) than metal.

Metal was so uncool that they took all its parts from everywhere else and the media gave it this label, not understanding where it came from culturally.
It has more in common with Biohazard than Anthrax or Faith No More.

I don't doubt that Davis had some sincerity in his lyrics, but their music was still fairly commercial sounding which kinda ruins the feeling.

Also the idea that it was a bunch of middle class white guys singing about their problems which apparently they had no right to do so, because they were middle class white guys, as articulated by Ben Folds in this song:

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This is actually a good song to be fair, but the lyrics are as cringey as anything Fred Durst ever wrote. Has he never heard of Kurt Cobain, Morrissey, Ian Curtis, Richey James Edwards, Jeff Buckley, Thom Yorke or Trent Reznor? No group has ever written angsty music better than or as consistently as white men.

What's with the sudden nu metal acceptance on Yea Forums recently?

>Metal elitists hated it because it was a drastic departure from any traditional form of metal
Metalfags also didn't see much to like because the "heavyness" in these bands comes mostly from just downtuning guitars and strumming some simple chords instead of more complex heavy riffs.

t. raging metalfaggot

Probably as said, people are growing nostalgic, and its about time for the "us 2000s kids" to start appearing.

The entire genre sounds like manufactured anger at mainstream issues that are safe to be angry about. Tell me a well known numetal band that has talked about anything debatably risky and actually sounded sincere in their approach to it. Most of the time it just boils down to "YEAH FUCK THE GOVERNMENT THEY'RE ALL ASSHOLES!!!"

And to top it all off, most non mainstream numetal bands are just trying to rip off a mainstream one, or are """heavily influenced""" by them.

It's literally a genre founded on artificiality and catchy, edgy songs that you can play on the radio.

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This song was in Over the Hedge

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I love that movie.

>bangers
just go back

White people just love to complain

>Tell me a well known numetal band that has talked about anything debatably risky and actually sounded sincere in their approach to it.
While I agree that it's fairly fake sounding in its anger, I think the point was not to talk about being outraged at "the state of the world" but rather just about internal angst (hence why the target audience was pretty much edgy teenagers).

There are.

>its about time for the "us 2000s kids" to start appearing

2000s retro nostalgia is already a thing.

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Yeah I'm aware of that facet of it, but the thing is, grunge and garage rock already did it better, and sounded more genuine too. If you want a genre focused on angst and self loathing, there are a bunch of better genres/subgenres out there for that, and if you want good metal, you can easily find something better than fucking Korn

The music video was pretty kino at least

It's still weird to see stuff that sounded "fresh" to me back then sounding dated to current kids. If I play some random music that was trendy in the early 2000s, it still feels modern. I wonder what it's like being a zoomer and finding that stuff to have an "old" characteristic to it like how classic rock bands such as CCR or Led Zeppelin sound to me.

I could never stand Korn's sound, I'm not a bass player but it sounds like his strings are as loose as possible to allow for low-sounding sloppy playing

I don't think it has that same effect, though. The recording tools haven't really changed and the only thing really different is the lack of guitars in 'new' music, but even then, I don't think mixes have had many changes.

>also a phoneposter
ok now you really have to go back

The zoomercore of today will be the boomerkino of tomorrow...what a fucking depressing thought. Imagine a generation in the future 60 year olds rambling about how good tekashi is and how kids today just listen to lowercase and field recordings of gay interracial sex or something

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Eh. Imagine being in the late 90s/early 00s and thinking about how Slipknot and Linkin Park would be boomercore in the future.

Then why do people claim that the production technique in this decade is "revolutionary"?

Why can''t commercial music be sincere thought? Nothing Else Matters from Metallica, just to use an easy band everyone knows for example, to me is a pretty sincere song...though it's one hundred percent a commercial song. Fight Fire With Fire....now that's a song not written with radio in mind at all, but what do you really think James wrote those lyrics to be sincere or just because he thought it was a cool "metal" topic to write very simple edgy lyrics about? Not hating on that song before you get that impression, but just saying, I don't think it's exactly heartfelt lol.

Meh, Iron Man isn't very complex. I blame nobody for being turned off by the simplicity of nu-metal, if that ain't your thing it ain't your thing, but plenty of metalheads also hate shred shit too and consider it wankery, so it goes both ways.

Something something sidechaining and synths. End of the day, I seriously just think it's a signal to idiot elitists who are otherwise dilettantes in the field of music, be it production or performance, to let them know their choice of consumption is a smart and insightful one. The only thing pop producers are concerned with these days is, 'muh workflow' and that's the be-all-end-all. The only real developments and boundary pushing in production is occurring in metal, and there's good stuff on Nail The Mix in regards to it.

>The entire genre sounds like manufactured anger at mainstream issues that are safe to be angry about

Yeah...because child abuse is such a safe topic. You have no idea what you're fucking talking about dude. Most nu metal bands don't mention politics at all aside from fucking SOAD wand that was their dumb gimmick to try and be like RATM.

>Why can''t commercial music be sincere thought?
Because it has to be formatted into a tamer, more accessible format. Basically like removing spicier ingredients to make something more watered down. Though yeah, maybe there was a legitimate feeling behind the music, but it was ultimately refitted to be MTV friendly.
>Iron Man isn't very complex
Sure, but it's full of distinguishably "metal" riffs while nu metal stuff doesn't really care about that.

Fair enough, but it was an intentional aesthetic choice, at least in Korn's case. Their main guitar dude can actually play far beyond what you'll hear in any Korn song and was big on Van Halen and all that shit initially before even joining the band. For them, I think they just wanted to make it all about groove and rhythm. Once again though, can't speak about the legions of bands who followed in their footsteps.

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>Their main guitar dude can actually play far beyond what you'll hear in any Korn song and was big on Van Halen and all that shit initially before even joining the band.
Van Halen also sound extremely commercial even if they can be technical.

Why, because their production wasn't dogshit? Or are you going to say the vocals is what did it because frankly I think those are an afterthought considering:

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All could have been instrumentals and I would still be quiet jamming apu to these.

Yes, the vocals are a huge part of the reason. But even aside from that, their big hit singles are undeniably commercial party/radio sounding stuff.

I posted two of what were once 'radio hits' and I gotta say, the guitarwork and drumwork takes it to the bank quite frankly-- I even did hard mode, no Hot For Teacher, so man you're busting my balls right now.

I don't think anyone would deny that Van Halen have talented musicians and impressive passages in their music, but stuff like Panama, Ain't Talkin Bout Love and Jump are definitely commercial. For the record I'm not really associating the lack of technicality of nu metal with its "commercialness", it's more of a reason why they didn't really win approval from metalfags (which adds to all the other audiences that shunned nu metal for various reasons).

Because its old, almost no 90s rock is seen as cool besides maybe some Grunge or alternative. Pop punk and all the other rock styles are seen as cringe

ending of drop dead legs goes ridiculously hard and should be illegal and the way that Alex rides the bell through the sequence of the solo, with that change in dynamic at times is a mastercall

Though, it's a bit unfair, because even metalfags get mad about Van Halen and it's always been a point of frustration with me because frankly, I don't think you can do much better with a guitar. You can sit and say Van Halen isn't riffs because most of it's chord work, but the very fact that it's chord work is what's astounding, he had a command of the fretboard that, you could probably fill a convention room at a hotel with the people that possess that level of touch.

I think that all the kid guitar music past 2008 has been getting a shit shake from most of the people here, it's frustrating because I think it's some of the most authentic shit out right now in terms of the people behind it and their emotional intentions. I've worked with rappers, I've worked with voice over people, and the only kids not up their own asses and are really dying to play music for it's own sake are the 'fags' who do metalcore and pop punk and all that shit. Quit being fucking bullies, Yea Forums.

The whole point of that song was to be cringey that was the joke

>No group has ever written angsty music better than or as consistently as white men.
Are you implying Kurt Cobain and Morrisey wrote good music?

Nu metal's heyday coincided with the era of CD brickwalling which makes a lot of those albums painful to listen to.

It's interesting to compare how critics in the 90s absolutely _loved_ Sleater-Kinney for singing about privileged white college girl problems.

I wish those critics would come clean and admit they liked riot grrl because they wanted to fuck the band members.

>If I play some random music that was trendy in the early 2000s, it still feels modern.
Uh, no it doesn't. I can't put on Break Stuff without thinking "This sounds like 1999".

OHHH WAH AH AH AH

>People act like it was an awkward phase in music

It was just look at the whole movement the clammy angsty lyrics, the horrible fashion, the terrible hip hop influence etc...

You can't possesbly defend bands like disturbed and limp bizkit

Like I don't see how anyone can listen to Hed P.E. and consider them listenable music.

Nothing. There will be another rock revolution once people are bored with all the 'chill' nonsense out now.

Korn and Deftones were ok bands. The rest were mtv shit

I wouldn't really class SOAD or Deftones as nu-metal. In fact, Toxicity came out around the time nu-metal was beginning to fade.

most people who used to like it are probably just reminded of their teenage angst and the stupid hip hop crossed with scene fashion trends that came with nu-metal. the lyrical themes are also mostly angsty stuff only kids and teens can relate to.
I still like Deftones, SOAD and Korn, some Slipknot songs have also aged fairly well

100% agree, im a big fan of both

You mean the one song with about substance that Korn has ever released that for some reason, the ladeas vocalist just "happens" to key changing the story on?

The only korn songs i can listen too nowadays is the shit from the QoTD soundtrack

I always felt like Slipknot was too heavy to be truly nu-metal. Their first album did have hip hop influences but that shit slaps so fucking hard in a way bands like Korn and Deftones didn’t.

Someone who gets it. Utilizing breakdowns too got taken from hardcore plus Zach Dr la Rocha was in inside out first

Slipknot has actual rap metal on their first album, Korn never did outside of collaborations with rappers. Korn also never had a DJ doing cliche "wiki wiki wiki" shit, which seems to be another misconception people who never listened to Korn but feel inclined to talk about Korn seem to alway say.

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fuck this chink

It feels like Nu-metal dealt with the typical angst-fueled issues of white kids and its goal was to give you a background to hate mom and dad to for telling you to write your homework. Not only that, it did it in a really superficial manner. The outfits, the "I am so brooding and misunderstood" act, the lack of creative lyricism and composition all contributed to it being a product made for mass consumption by kids who thought they were cooler and more unique than they really were.

I am glad this shit is gone and hope it never returns.

Because some of us remember these bands and their emo cutter fanbase and we'd prefer not to relive it.

music drenched in angst (not just nu-metal) is generally regarded as edgy tween stuff

If every fucking Youtube video in the 2000s didn't use LTBHTF as an intro, then there might be less hate.

Isnt Rammstein considered nu-metal? Their latest song seems to be doing well in the charts. The genre is kind of alive but its fanbase grew up and mellowed out.

I have an easier time taking hair metal seriously than I do The Sickness.

Hair metal was about partying and being a rockstar and having sex which is something an adult person could conceivably do. Nu metal is just cheesy teen angst with the subtlety of a sledgehammer so there's no way anyone older than 15 could listen to it with a straight face.

I don't often listen to nu-metal because I've been over glamorizing my depression for a long time and it tends to trigger it, but out of all the genres I've listened to, I still find nu-metal most accurately depicts it. Like for example the lyrics of this song youtube.com/watch?v=OXgOSyLSydk
There is nothing poetic about it, the lyrics themselves are depressed, they don't even try

Lately things won't go my way
Lately everything is grey
It feels like something
It feels like nothing
So I came too far
To end up this way
Feeling like I'm God
Feeling there's no way
So I'm angry for today
Anger's the only thing I've made
It feels like something
No it's nothing
So I came too far
To end up this way
Feeling like I'm God
Feeling there's no way
To live this way
Hating, feeling, falling
To the place where people haunt me
I can't help but give up
Falling to the place where people know me
I can't wait
To give them these feelings of hating
Keeping inside me
For all to take
Picking at me
They're ripping at me
Ripping at me
So I came too far
To end up this way
Feeling like I'm God
Feeling there's no way
To live this way
To live this way

man, this song and album are so fucking fun

SOAD is the douchiest nu-metal to ever exist

The thing about art is - the whole point is for it to connect with you and speak to you, convey emotions and messages that can not be expressed through just words. I have serious anger issues to this day and this type of music has always been a perfect outlet for me. Is it made for and by some edgy kids on a really superficial level? Sure, but this doesnt mean the music doesnt speak to me.

>You can't possesbly defend bands like disturbed and limp bizkit

limp bizkit has some very talented musicians and had a sound that hasnt been replicated ever since

disturbed i agree with, they didnt really have anything particularly special about them

>Metalfags also didn't see much to like because the "heavyness" in these bands comes mostly from just downtuning guitars and strumming some simple chords instead of more complex heavy riffs

so what? sonically, it still sounded much heavier than anything the ''real'' metal bands were doing

Since you were probably not born when nu-metal reined supreme, it's hard to understand. Korn was great and lots of people liked them. Then you had the embarrassment of the Limp Bizkit's and Papa Roache's etc. with the corniness of it all. And then here comes Slipknot, Mudvanye and Mushroomhead to kill it off with the complete goofiness shot through the roof to ridiculous. It was like WWF for kids. Long story short, the same thing that happened with grunge. It got ran into the ground by marketing and overexposure.

Coming from someone who was like, prime age for this era of music albeit a little young at its peak in the late 90's, a lot of this stuff was crap and I knew it at the time, Korn fucking ruled, they still sound good to me and I dont listen to any of that music anymore, music from that time period I listen to now is post rock like Bark Psychosis and Slowdive

I actually find the bass to be one of the strongest parts of Korn. It's so rhythmic, it's basically a second drum.

>Korn
>he sound is very commercial
Yeah, NOW, after hundreds of bands copied the sound. Korn didn't sound like anything else out there on their first two albums, there was barely even an album in existence with a 7 string guitar at that point outside of guitar wank albums.

>it's basically a second drum.
This is the thing exactly. Korn's bass is percussive not melodic, it's too odd for some people to even handle but it's unique and cool to those who like them.

I love it when rich Jews tell people what it's like to be white.

I'm not a chink

Nu Metal > Post-Grunge

Post-grunge was somewhat similar but more radio/singles oriented and the target audience were rednecks/boomers.

the 90s saw the invention of tech death, slam, and 2nd wave black metal, all of which are way heavier than nu metal

ARE YOU READYYYY

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Musically it's like nu metal with the downtuned riffs and no solos, but the lyrical themes are completely different.

Rammstein has more in common with industrial metal.

>death metal was invented in the 90s
Retard. Death metal was old fucking news in the 90s, it started in the 80s and people saw it corny cause it was still on that "comic book fantasy art style horror and hail satan" shit

It's the dubstep of metal

Follow the Leader [Epic, 1998]
Korn deny they're metal; that's Judas Priest, all four-four pomp and guitar solos. But they nevertheless demonstrate that the essence of metal--an expressive mode it sometimes seems will be with us for as long as ordinary whiteboys fear girls, pity themselves, and are permitted to rage against a world they'll never beat--is self-obliterating volume and self-aggrandizing display. Now calling up death-metal's signature groan to prove only to prove he's authentic, poor not-actually-abused Jonathan Davis raps, recites, scats, and sings dull tunes landscaped with eerie licks, odd bridges, and a hyperactive rhythm section. How much his fans identify with "My Gift to You" ("I kiss your lifeless skin"), "Cameltosis" ("You trick-ass slut"), or the tragic "Seed" ("Do I need this fame?") remains unclear. But I'm parent enough to hope they can find a more fully formed designated someone than a guy whose idea of transgressive art is netcasting soft-core s&m to any teenager with a logon. C

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>an expressive mode it sometimes seems will be with us for as long as ordinary whiteboys fear girls, pity themselves, and are permitted to rage against a world they'll never beat
So much projection.

Hey man I'm not big on nu metal either but the first Korn album is great

>poor not-actually-abused Jonathan Davis

For a moment, imagine if he said this about a female artist who said she was molested. What a fucking jackass.

He did kind of imply that about Tori Amos.

because they both rest on the outskirts of nu metal. any deftones fan will tell you they haven't been nu metal since around the fur

Im not even this guy but learn to read

Well I do mostly listen to their older stuff.

Why do we have this stupid thread every day where some fag listened to a few numetal songs and comes to his own epiphany of "You know what? numetal is actually kind of cool! Oh shit 1488!!!". Because it's too corny and try-hard to have an enduring memory to the music world. It was made by oddballs that were molested and people trying to vent about how much they hated their parents. Playing in the lowest guitar tuning possible was more edginess from the perpetrators and what people say is ironic about it is that while the oddballs began to like it, it soon became popular amongst bullies - the people that the songs were written about. And this brought in more of a douche-factor to it, like anything that has meatheads or thugs for fans(think of dubstep).

It's just faggy. But the style and artworks for some of the bands were actually pretty cool.
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Fuck the haters; that album fuckin slaps. It's On! still kicks ass. So does Reclaim My Place and Dead Bodies Everywhere.

>It was made by oddballs that were molested and people trying to vent about how much they hated their parents.
All those edgy emo chicks with the hair over their eyes and black nail polish grew up to become problem glasses feminists. Yeah, I'm not joking.

It removed anything cool and powerful from metal and turned it into the music of mopey daddy issues cutters.

A lot of the songs are played in drop C so the strings are pretty fucking loose.

I agree with this, pop punk is the very definition of cringe.

You never saw Korn making anything like Rapid Fire or Ace of Spades or A New Level.

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>implying

OP here, I hardly ever come to Yea Forums because its honestly a pretty garbage and repetitive board of people trying to fit in with the same mu core albums every single day for a decade, or dick measuring contests about who's the biggest hipster so I didn't even know this thread was a regular thing, my bad. Guess I'm contributing to the repetitiveness.

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> the target audience were rednecks/boomers.

It's funny because it's true.

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Early 00s pop punk is as equally awful, dated, and cringy as nu metal was. Every band had the cliches about skateboarding and teenage love, same chord progressions, overproduced and slick as fuck. Also every pop punk band had to have a number in their name like Three Days Grace, Nine Days, Sum 41, Three Doors Down, etc. Except pop punk was targeting sheltered white suburban teens instead of people who were molested.

Blink 182, Crush 40

Also every pop punk singer had that same annoying nasally voice.

Pop punk was more of a singles/radio format and not really album-oriented.

Holly shit, this!
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They all had that nasally whiny voice!

I'M JUST A KID AND LIFE IS A NIGHTMARE

Uggh, the singing there was so bad it almost bordered on a parody of pop punk vocals.

because the kind of people who listened to it when it was big, never washed themselves, eat too much fast food, and only drink energy drinks. the ritalin generation.

I see you also watched Punk Rock's why nu-metal died video

Not really, stuff like emocore or first wave post-rock/hardcore hybrids like Slint are usually well regarded by critics

When my friend's girlfriend is acting up and bitching about little things he'll start to sing this song around the house.
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And why do they try so hard to act moody? Like they have it rough.

I also lived through it.

HOW'D YOU LIKE TO SEE HOW IT FEELS, MOMMY
YOU STUPID ABUSIVE SADISTIC FUCKING WHORE

Is there a point where trap will become oversaturated? I say it already is, but it's still going strong.

Story of a Girl is better desu.

Soad isn't nu metal dumbass

Soad isn't nu metal faggit

Korn literally has explicit lyrics about child abuse

Hybrid Theory and Meteora are literally 2 of the best metal albums of the 2000's and if you disagree you're a massive fucking pleb

Limp Bizkit are fun.

I think people hate it because they connect it to their shitty 14 year old self who listened to it

I was just going over some of it and I think people hate also it because of how juvenile some of it was.
> "deep" painful lyrics
> haha check it out, yo, it's da chocolate starfish. ASSHOLES.

I was thinking about this tonight. Are there any bands right now still producing songs that sound like they are from the 00s? It feels like it has completely fallen off

The era of nu metal and pop punk was fun, then these fucks had to come along and spoil the fun by spawning an entire decade's worth of boring Indie bands.

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Royal Blood. They're clearly influenced by QOTSA, Muse and The White Stripes.

Also The Chats, even though they're more 70s/80s punk influence, have a sound that reminds me of Arctic Monkeys, The Libertines and bands from that era. I guess they all share the same influences.

Pop punk and nu-metal were cringe core, indie was special.

Glam Metal's final years already did that

You're literally a metal elitist hating it because it was a drastic departure from traditional metal, you just proved his point

Or, you know, the shitty 14 year olds they knew back then who listened to it.

it certainly wasn't because of their terrible music, that's for sure

Let's be honest it's only seen that way because it was a very White genre that White kids identified with, now they're made to feel like they were stupid for liking it but ghetto kids were wise for liking shit like Lil Wayne and such. It's just another facet of the culture war. They want you to hate White musical expression and hate yourself.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true and I'll prove it to you: You know all this sadboy soundcloud trap with the "emo" flavor? Suddenly mall emo is a legitimate thing because black kids say it's ok to think it's cool, if the next generation of rappers were to start talking about how they love nu-metal you'd see the weak Whites start to like them too as now they'd feel accepted by their peer group by liking it. Notice how fantano drones now accept SOAD and Slipknot. It's all about bullying White kids while at the same time gushing over retarded half-literate rappers with even less substance and maturity than numetal ever lacked.

unfortunate but true and they went back to liking their garbage pop music which we all knew they really loved all-along
proven posers

There are reasons why it's hated, but personally I think it's a great genre.
Korn's first album is amazing, Slipknot's first album is great, Limp Bizkit and Deftones good as well.

People fail to appreciate how well it combined several genres of music and managed to create something entirely fresh.

I don't care what anyone says honestly, Slipknot's self titled album is just a masterpiece to me. Others might find it "cringy" or "emo", but I think its just amazing in how it starts off with the "I think the whole thing is sic" intro, and ends out with Scissors. I love the samples in it and the ambient creepy noises. Never felt to me like the album was about headbanging, and more like creepier music.

tl;dr maybe i just have really shitty music taste lol

Nu metal from the 90s was actually good and a logical extension of stuff like Helmet and Faith No More. It only went downhill around 2000 when Linkin Park came out and commercialized it to the point where it was just angry butt rock music

Now that it has turned into shit like this is it much better? youtu.be/OC7cNS0GINo It was an excellent gateway for kids to get hooked on metal music and for their tastes to evolve over time until they start appreciating “real” metal.

>what is refused

it's not cringier than long hair bands singing about satan.

exactly what is refused?

Too normie friendly

>complete goofiness
Aw c'mon, metal can be goofy too.
youtube.com/watch?v=nqiVvOXotyw

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You do. Slipknot was one of the worst nu metal bands. They just used aggression and screaming to cover up how shit the songs were, and made sure the lyrics were relatable to 13 year olds who want to kill themselves.

Praise it!

Kek, no, they had amazing song writing especially for that album user mentioned.

neue deustche härte

slipknot's self titled and iowa are both landmarks of numetal. Overall they are great, but jordison's drums and corey's vocals are exceptionally good and they easily make up for the sometimes cringy angsty lyrics.

Their song writing is unironically tighter and more creative than almost all other metal bands, especially the first 2 albums

>Three Doors Down
>Pop Punk

My nigga
youtube.com/watch?v=84J_XmGkX48
(too bad they sold out harder than any band in history has ever sold out)

SOAD/Deftones aren't nu metal dumb fuck.

The bad nu metal bands (Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Disturbed) were really awful and are the main reason why people don't look back fondly. Also because Korn's/Slipknot's appearance didn't hold up well.

I think more and more people nowadays are reconsidering nu-metal's influence and appeal. It was fucking massive in the late 90s and early 2000s and it ironically had a more pop, hook based sound. The biggest problem were the copycat, studio pushed bands that were absolute dogshit like Coal Chamber or Godsmack.

Limp Bizkit, specifically Significant Other, was genuinely good. Yeah, I get it Fred Durst is a meme but get off your fucking high horse.

The Jews in LA didn't like that white boys were making hip hop that wasn't the typically degenerate gang banger sell drugs stuff. They made a mockery of it. Korn's Follow the Leader is unironically one of the best albums of the 90s.

There’s no way you actually got offended from this song, right?

I like some nu-metal. I like RATM, and I love Primus, which sort-of-not-really count as nu-metal.
It's a really manufactured genre though. Plastic protest music.

I think the argument for Deftones being a bit nu-metal can be made, Jose.

Their debut is unironically a modern masterpiece.

Bro nu-metal is as degenerate as it gets
>I don’t know your fucking name
>so what
>let’s fuck

Like it or not it has changed the genre and has influenced artists like Ghostmane and Suicideboys. Its influence is here to stay and we will see how the music of these performers will evolve and if we will see a return to drums and guitars rather than EDM, but either way people overstate how "cringy" the whole thing was. I find it considerably less cringeworthy than middle class white kids pretending to be hood rats.

I find this disingenuous because I would argue the large majority of the demographic for this music were working class mid-westerners and rednecks.

Aimless youths who liked watching WWF and did bad in school. This whole "They're middle class white people singing about problems! What could they possibly know about struggle!" Is just patronizing crap and incredibly classist.

This. The idea that in five years time we won't be cringing at retarded soundcloud assholes is laughable. The mallcloud emerging with Billie Eilish is proof enough of this.

Yep, it was for rednecks that listened to bands like Slayer and Pantera.

Ahem

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Primus sucks
youtube.com/watch?v=6xb898sQtu8

SOAD and Deftones are nu metal and bands who define nu metal right after Korn

Retard.

>This whole "They're middle class white people singing about problems! What could they possibly know about struggle!" Is just patronizing crap and incredibly classist.
That's a typically Christgau statement. "Pfft, well, what do white people know about pain?"