Hello. I'm a normal late-20s dude in NYC with a full time job and functioning life who after trying almost every recreational drug, and being in an emotionally tough place, decided last month to try heroin.
I ordered #4 powder from a reputable vendor on a popular DNM who's product has no record of testing positive for fent. I used for four days straight, took a two week break, and just received another small amount yesterday. I just did 10mg and have another line ready to go. All of my pain and anxiety have started to melt away.
I have not experienced withdrawal, only a hangover after going on a binge the first night when I was opiate naive. I've quit a benzo and amphetamine addiction cold turkey, but I know how quickly this will spiral out of control. The best thing I have going are my life responsibilities, my unwillingness to buy locally even if I could find a connection because of fent, and the fact I refuse to IV anything.
Feel free to call me an fucking idiot/attention whore, ask general questions, or actually try and give me advice.
How did your addiction start? How soon after starting did it spiral out of control?
Samuel Diaz
this, OP is right in thinking that it will spiral out of control quickly. do yourself a favour OP - flush it and never have to learn what it's like to shoot up using the veins in your hands after your tolerance builds enough that smoking and snorting doesn't work and your arms are busted from repeated injections.
Ethan Price
The darkest I've dived into drug abuse before this was snorting and then eventually smoking meth on and off for a few months. Zero consequences aside from appearing tired at work and eventually stopping because the comedowns were emotionally devastating me. Physical dependency aside, how much worse is this?
Dominic Howard
Run it. If your gonna do it do it right. Sooner or later you will anyway and you’ll feel like you wasted all the shit you snorted
Charles Bennett
Just quit that shit now, I’ve lost too many great friends to that fucking cancer. Even strong willed men become yellow-bellied pussies once they start chasing the opiates.
Jose Reyes
Welcome to the darkside OP. Some people work with heroin better than others, you could be a functioning addict while others cant. It all depend of how much you use and how good it is, most heroin these days almost anywhere in the U.S is cut up to shit, mostly with fentanyl or dilaudid.
Just remember tolerance builds up quick and you would have to end up shooting it up.I know professional people that just snort it and they could function at work perfectly fine.
My advice is snort it for a while, if you snort and dont feel any relief anymore its time to stop.
Chase Nelson
heroin is much easier to overdose on than meth but it's not quite as neurotoxic or shadow people psychotic of course but will still bork your brain chemistry for potentially years after depending on how long you were on it. the withdrawals are much, much, worse than meth over the same period of time used; people stay on it partially because it becomes their new default mode of normal and because the withdrawals are frightfully bad and lasts for weeks. IV use with heroin is basically an inevitability - nobody wakes up one day and goes "boy, I sure am bored of having a stable life with no neurological diseases let's start shooting highly impure and astonishingly addictive diacetylmorphine into my bloodstream, hell yeah", but it happens eventually anyway. honestly, the first use is pretty underwhelming if you don't throw up and feel like garbage the next day but it has a subtle way of lulling you into a false sense of security to keep you using and finally hook you once your brain is used to it and can pick up the subtler aspects of the heroin high. I don't recommend it, on a long enough timeline you're either going to overdose or get clean and end up back where you started sans lots of cash and now you have a lifelong addictive disease and get to play resist the relapse while you pick up your life back into a normal, healthy state.
Mason Allen
that said, the exact severity of addiction varies by individual and circumstance so your mileage my vary but that's the general gist of things.
Brandon Garcia
if quadz you flush it in the toilet and never do it again. faith!
Gabriel Nelson
as for psychological addiction in the sense of compulsion to use and thinkin about thos bags after you decide to quit rather than the emotional crutch kind of addiction, I've never been addicted to meth but the people around me who use meth had have better success staying off it than heroin. the physical addiction and psychological addiction and two sides of the same coin imo, but I'm not an addiction specialist or a medical professional so take that with a grain of salt. stick to weed and don't shoot yourself in the foot chasing the high, deal with whatever emotional or lifestyle issues that are leading you to playing with heroin and don't look back.
Charles Adams
You need to stop now. Chipping isn't really possible. It's a death wish. Even if you don't get the fent. Your money will be gone, you will get withdrwals. Speaking as a 3 year addict who did tar, ECP, #3 afghan...please stop bro!! It's not that I don't want you to have fun, but get some suboxone lined up and get out of this before it gets too deep. :(
William Phillips
This is the real shit I basically came here for. I was obviously aware of the higher OD potential. I enjoy it less than meth overall, as fucking shameful as it is to admit. It's the constant worry of how dangerous it is that creates anxiety and gets in the way of the high. Meth just made me feel euphoric and the ability to socialize and drink on it, the stigma made me quit. I would never admit to trying it to people irl, where I would eventually tell close friends about heroin.
Is pure heroin actually proven to be neurotoxic at therapeutic doses though? Also, spot on about my first time.I did over 100mg over the course of eight hours and was sick as a dog the next day. I figured I'd be dealing with weeks of that if I let myself get addicted.
How risky is it really to do 10-20mg at a time in terms of dependency and OD potential?
Nicholas Hall
My guess is you weren't that dependent on benzos. IF you were, your seizure threshold would be much higher and you may have died. Benzo withdrwal is fatal. Opiate is not.
Nicholas Flores
Also, just to add to my post here, it took me 4 months to get off of subs. I used for 3 years, on and off on H oxy etc, and I promise you, the road to get clean will be tough.
If you're in too deep now, take two days off like Thur and Friday, take your last night Wed night around 6pm or 8pm, wait 18 hours by passing out with xanax, make sure you're sick in the morning and then induce subs. Start at 1mg to 2mg and go up. Then, spend the next 2-3 days in pain and anguish, by day 4 (sunday) you'll be fine and stabalized on the subs. Then start tapering down by cutting dosages over the next month or two. You'll still have PAWS to deal with for a few months but it won't be acute symptoms.
Gabriel Lopez
Read these: reddit.com/user/SpontaneousH/posts/ It's a guy posting about trying Heroin for the first time and talking about how he wont get addicted and has everything under control. What follows are post about how he is addicted, goes to rehab, relapses and OD's.
I know,I know plebbit haha. but if you can look past that its quite an interesting read.
Don’t listen to the pussies user. A nice bit of heroin never did anyone any harm.
Gavin Collins
I'm aware. My addiction to benzos was short but devastating. It nearly ruined my life because I would redose when blacked out or start drinking. I nearly killed myself and had to be restrained by friends. The withdrawals were bad, but I was drinking through them because I was afraid of a seizure. I know this sounds naive, but I can't see heroin getting to that level for me because I'm at least conscious of what's going on.
Nathan Peterson
Not the poster that wrote this: But...the amount that you can do and prevent an OD depends on how clean the product is (how strong) and how tolerant you are. If you have no tolerance, a small dose could make you nod out and potentially stop your respiratory system.
I would think 5mg to start would be better. Those that IV, usually already have tolerance and started by smoking and snorting. Start by smoking if you're thinking about it at all. And even ECP can be smoked (though it's very inefficient).
But really, just quit if you can.
Lastly, I don't think that pure diamorphine is that neurotoxic. I would think in low dosages and if you have pain, it could be fine. But recreationally you're asking for trouble.
Gabriel Jones
>I have not experienced withdrawal, only a hangover after going on a binge Heroin withdrawl isn't like cocaine where you feel shit for 48 hours. Heroin withdrawl lasts longer than 2 weeks.
Slowly you're lowering the ceiling of your feel good level. If something unexpected happens to your feel good level like a family member dying in a car crash you won't chemically be able to deal with that loss.
Heroin will get out of control bro. Not trying to scare you or shit on you...but I've been there. Getting clean is tough. I am, but very few get clean and stay.
Wyatt Wilson
Oh, I've read this. Honestly, the most insane thing about this is buying H from some dude in Washington Sq park. I know it was before the fentanyl epidemic, but it's just unbelievable to me how a non-addict would buy hard drugs in person from a stranger.
Liam Ortiz
>Heroin
That's not a recreational drug amigo. Literal hell. Don't do it.
Jordan Clark
Roooooollllllll
Andrew Kelly
Two weeks is an exaggeration. You’ll feel physically awful for four or five days, maybe a week, like you’ve got the worst flu ever. Opiate withdrawal also doesn’t kill you like alcohol withdrawal can.
Ryder Cook
>heroin >recreational Pick one, user. Heroin is a goddamn death sentence. Quit while you're ahead.
That's exactly why heroin is so dangerous, because it feels like it's nothing.
Michael Brooks
I'm not there yet. My total consumption is at about 0.5g over the past month. Most of this was the first night when i was testing how euphoric it could be. All of that shit about it never being like the first time wasn't true for me, unlike MDMA and meth. Last night I did 20mg of this new batch and that along with the 10mg I did today is the best I've felt on it.
I knew this was all too constructive for this not to show up. haha.
The first night I did it I nodded. I couldn't believe how if I had fucked up I wouldn't have woken up. It's terrifying that didn't stop me from continuing.
This concept is true of any serotonin or dopamine releasing agent though. It's basically why any drug abuse that acts on those chemicals is psychologically harmful.
Kayden Anderson
heroin isn't neurotoxic as far as I'm aware, I worded my post a little confusingly. weighing your drugs out is more than most junkies do when they establish a tolerance and believe the dosage that will kill them is high enough that they can eyeball it, the real kicker is the purity - you'll find one batch of dope from one guy to be like 10% or under if it's been stepped on while other batches or sources can be >40%, and it's sometimes not that easy to get an accurate measure of purity even if you take a test shot on every new bag you pick up. opioids are funny drugs, spontaneous overdoses on pain patients' normal doses isn't too uncommon and I think one study I read associated increased overdose probability at prescribed doses with administration in a new environment if you want to look that up. if you're going to do opioids, do something weaker and preferably pharma produced pills so purity and dosing isn't as much of a concern and work your way up as your tolerance builds rather than going straight from 0 to 100, it'll be cheaper in the long run if you can stave off needing a gram to get high for as long as possible. heroin is a hellva drug.
any scale under $1000 won't be anywhere near accurate trying to weigh out such a small dose, there's just not enough weight on the scale.
Jack Garcia
I just read this. WOW...that's hard to stomach.
Adrian Gomez
Everything you've read is on point to some degree. The nods are scary, it's like a micro version of a benzo blackout, except your chance of not waking up from respiratory failure is a lot higher. The itchiness sucks, it kills most of the "warm blanket" feeling people gush about. If I stopped caring and could ruin my life with any drug I'd still pick amphetamines.
Jackson Hill
This dude's story makes me feel alright about my choices so far, honestly.
I admittedly started with H because of the thrill of doing actual heroin. Pharma pills are way too expensive and defeat the purpose of this whole thing for me. Stupid, I know. I took an Oxy 15 and thought nothing of it, so this was for the experience.
Jaxon Moore
What?? This dude's story will be your story bro. IT shouldn't make you feel alright. It should wake you up.
Cooper Reyes
>because of the thrill of doing actual heroin it gets old quickly and basically turns into hitler's weed, try skydiving or cocaine
Xavier Thompson
You should try crack cocaine instead OP, at least that isn’t addictive
you will get addicted. it will be painful to have withdrawals. you will dick over the people you love and care about to fulfill your addiction. it may take months to a year for it to happen, but it will happen. if you're going to abuse dangerous drugs, you need to understand that they have such a reputation because they do that shit.
Caleb Jones
This.
OP, please just try DMT instead? Much nicer!
Jaxson Fisher
With the exception of crack (I don't have the urge to try it and highly prefer amp to cocaine anyway) and PCP (it's seemingly impossible to find on DNMs) I've done every commonly used drug.
I've done DMT many times. Although this post makes it seem like I'm a lost cause, before trying H the only real drugs I've done this year are ketamine, acid, mushrooms, and non recreational Xanax.
Robert Howard
Hey OP, 2 years recovery and counting here. Did my first time 'just to try something else. Did not have the urge until 6 months later, small life problem and I said why not? 2 weeks after I was shooting.
It's hard to type but I've spent around $80K in that shit. Every time I would tell myself, just one more time to get over this.
And I still remember that first thought "wow, that was awesome but I'll never do it again". YOU WILL DO IT AGAIN.
Fap, get high on pot, lsd, but don't touch H. Please
Gabriel Rodriguez
It already isn't though. This dude went from complete drug noob to heroin user overnight. He bought off the street, didn't use a scale, and then met a street dealer who was ripping him off. He then starts shooting up and goes to NA within a few weeks of trying it? I believe the story, but it's a worst case example from someone who was being about as careless as humanely possible.
There's stories of people on reddit who did meth and went into psychosis after staying up for days and wound up in the hospital. I'm not saying it isn't possible or that it's even that unlikely, it's just far from my experience.
Jordan Cooper
This is also for any former/current addicts: do any of you use/d the deep web to source?
Hudson Foster
what made you jump to IV? This in my mind is when it's game over in terms of being a full on junkie. I'm curious what it takes to cross that line.
When I played with meth a year ago, I mostly used it for nights out so I capped it and thought of it like just a more powerful addy. I avoided snorting because of the burn, and smoking out of a glass pipe felt so close to being an addict I stopped out of shame. I imagine IV would be the same thing but even more guilt inducing.
Andrew Turner
Advice on what? You didn't ask anything.
Nicholas Gonzalez
I'm just having a nice little relaxing smoke of crack
Owen Reed
It's about your need to get to the same "good feel" of the first times
That is why there should NEVER be a first time, because trust me it's NEVER the last.
