What would the act of getting an abortion be on the D&D alignment system?

Deus and vultpilled.

I used to be anti-abortion until I realized only in America is there really serious opposition to it. With Ireland legalizing it, there really isn’t anywhere else in the world meaningfully opposed to the practice politically or even philosophically.

If all these babies are getting terminated around the rest of the planet by the millions each year (something like 16 million in India alone) I guess it really isn’t a question of if anymore. It can’t be stopped so fuck if, even if I find it personally to be grotesque and repugnant.

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Evil, can be any of the three.

Came here to post this. Fpbp

What alignment is masturbation or having a period?

Lawful neutral

Lawful Good to spare a future life from the pain, suffering, and temptation of mortal existence

>"Everybody else is doing it so why don't we?"

Gee he brings up a guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud point. /sar

There's literally only a single instance when it's not evil, and that's iron heart surge.

Stop being disingenuous. It is the act of conception that adds a moral aspect.

>true neutral if it's a rape baby
I guess it's true neutral to kill you if you somehow unwittingly trigger bad memories for me then?
I agree with the rest though.

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If the majority of the planet became degenerate enough that things like genocide, rape, pedophilia, etc. were commonplace, would you be chill with it because "it happens anyway"?

It shouldn't have an impact on alignment at all, because the moment you make it an action with any alignment at all, you're dragging politics into the game just like the OP has dragged politics into /tg/.

>If
with combined population if China, India, Africa, and Middle East, we're pretty much already there

Does that mean going around killing random people is lawful good because you're cutting their painful existence short?

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I guess it's up to you to decide for yourself whether the US is the last bastion of morality in the world, or if it's just a politically backwards outlier.

>Wanting Sharia Law
You Anti-Choice faggots can move to the middle east you know

True Neutral.

>REEEE WHY WONT YOU LET ME SLAUGHTER BABIES?!

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Whelp, better start molestin' and killin'
Everyone else is doing it

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Abortion is the right to dispose of your own body so it's lawful good.

It's both, depending on the subject. One of the freest Western countries in terms of speech, for example. It's almost as if politics isn't black and white and all (civilized) countries have some level of merit in one aspect or another.
Regards, a very anti-American European.

>well-established two party system
>politics aren't black and white

Abortion is merely the modern incarnation of fetal neglect and infanticide/Neonaticide, once common practices of all of humanity. It's barbaric and should be stopped

>REEEE WHY WONT YOU DAMN YOURSELF TO AT LEAST TWO DECADES OF YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FINANCES REVOLVING AROUND YOUR ACCIDENTAL OFFSPRING FOR THE SAKE OF MY FEELINGS

Neutral, duh. Fetuses are no more living than a plant

So don't get pregnant, it actually isnt hard.

Abstinence-based sex "ed" has never, ever worked.
Also, what about getting raped?

>One of the freest Western countries in terms of speech, for example

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>destroying the evidence of a crime

Literally obstructing justice

In that case I would have to concede that I´m just not THAT moral of a person and if I was pregnant following being raped chances are I would kill the child after it was born aswell so an abortion is the best option. At least it saves the child most of the pain.
I can´t expect others to do what I myself wouldn´t be able to and claiming that to be evil would be disingenuous. Better to be honest with yourself.
Also, >Shindol

>I kept telling my gm that heretics weren´t people

The go to argument when anyone wants to wipe out undesirables.

"They aren't people."

Been working since recorded history.

>I guess it really isn’t a question of if anymore. It can’t be stopped so fuck if, even if I find it personally to be grotesque and repugnant.

"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

In this day and age, is active evil, passivity, the ever dwindling number of truly decent people, or apathy the worst evil?

Perhaps it's a combination of all three.

>alignment
>using a sacred cow that is, and has always been, absolutely retarded
This just kills all immersion and makes D&D nothing more than an elaborate board game.
>but muh gods and muh clerics and paladin
They work just fine without it.

also: confusing a cell blob that has potential to live with an actual living being is childish and archaic.

>delusion.jpg

>Also, what about getting raped?
If the majority of abortions was rape this would be an argument.
They aren't

Is it considered a coup de grace in all cases? If not please stat young, adult and ancient fetus.

So do you support Vasectomies for men? Vasectomies can be reversed (Which is successful 90% of the time, with further attempts possible if the first attempt fails). That would vastly decrease the rate of unwanted pregnancy.

I'm not sure what your misandrist sophistry has to do with this argument

Yep, unless they can be convinced to join the crusade against life. Then it’s more moral to recruit them to increase the potency of the movement

Well, if you're attempting to stop unwanted pregnancies and are against abortions it is a very effective method and one that can be reversed when someone wants children.

>ancient fetus
Atropal

>oppose abortion
>support bombing, shooting, gassing, injecting, and starving living people

Really makes you think

neutral,

but stopping women from killing babies is all kinds of good.

>Animals in the wild can and do self-terminate babies all the damn time:

They also practice cannibalism and rape. Surprise! Other animals are not a good reference for morality.

The woman is obviously Chaotic Evil for choosing abortion, but what about the alignment of the doctor? Chaotic for breaking his "Do no harm" oath? Lawful for having to abide with legislation? Neutral if doing it for money?

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I don't know where to start with this asinine "logic"

People can avoid poverty by not being idle and avoid sickness by basic simple living. Killing in war or in enforcement of law is directed at legitimate targets.

Killing an unborn child is none of those cases.

Depends on when the fetus gains a soul. Ask a cleric.

But what about drone strikes at civilians, something which Obama started and Trump has continued, and arguably even expanded? Isn't that, in some manner, unjust killing?

>just stop being poor

What if i oppose abortion so i can use unwanted children as cheap labour? The kids have shelter, food and purpose, moralists got their win and the would-be parents no longer have to bear that burden. Everyone’s happy

>I'm okay with killing a guy because of my feels
>I'm not okay with abortion and people avoiding being shitty parents and wanting a child to suffer and potentially society because of my feels
Based Moralfag

>People can avoid poverty by not being idle and avoid sickness by basic simple living. Killing in war or in enforcement of law is directed at legitimate targets.

Look at this fucking delusion.

A fetus might be a person.
An embryo isn't.
A mass of metal ingots can become a car, but it isn't right now. A lump of cells can become a person, but right now it's nothing more than a growing but fundamentally inert thing.

>would-be parents no longer have to bear that burden.
Why do so many guys think Giving birth to a child is a walk in a park?

Total war is a reasonable strategic doctrine proven in effectiveness by the Russians against Napoleon and Allied bomber doctrine in WW2.

This isn't about 'effective', this is about 'Moral'.

The Anti-Choice Autism everybody. Remember they call themselves pro-life because they're cowards

Mod had the right idea, what the fuck are you people doing on /tg/

lawful evil

Should have just deleted the thread and banned OP but I guess it's better than nothing.

Getting baited by autistic crossboarders as always also the board is dying anyway so who cares

>Should have just deleted the thread and banned OP but I guess it's better than nothing.

Because silencing people who say things you don't like is first rate activity, comrade.

The politburo would be proud.

>Because silencing people who say things you don't like is first rate activity, comrade.

You know this site does actually have rules that people are supposed to get banned for breaking right?

Don't you get it? If you break the ToS and get punished for it that's censorship and the goberment trying to manipulate you

Ahahaha, I love this thread. At least the Christfags know their book is fantasy.

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> if you choose evil for abortion
You get the "retarded strength" bonus.

> if you choose always depends on circumstances
You get Int+2 and a Science bonus

> if you choose good for abortion
You support womens right. Female characters appreciate you near them

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Lmao

>You know this site does actually have rules that people are supposed to get banned for breaking right?

And it was a legitimate question within the confines of the thread it was posted in.

The people, most of which are those of your persuasion, I would imagine tried to steer it off topic into other territory and dialed it to 11 by insisting that someone be banned for posting something you didn't like.

>Don't you get it? If you break the ToS and get punished for it that's censorship and the goberment trying to manipulate you

Cue obvious strawman.

There was a time when civil discourse was actually possible on certain topics. Now people just scream for people to be banned from the public sphere, go after their livelihood, threaten them (or actually commit real acts of violence).

People who support "choice" and decry all the "control" that supposedly others are trying to assert over others simply use mob violence and intimidation because arguing facts isn't a winning strategy any more.

>unironically defending crossboard topic shitposting bait on /tg/
No wonder the board is a raging trash fire

>what is the difference between eating an unfertilized chicken egg in the morning and eating a developing chicken in an egg
Now apply this to a human life.

>your feelings
>for the sake of the human life I carelessly created and want to destroy like the piece of shit I am
ftfy, Mr. Strawman

In D&D *entities* (not actions) have alignments

>are you willing to have a 10% or more chance of going permanently sterile so that I don't have to think about the near-universally understood consequences of careless sex
stay classy

Can a Paladin masturbate?

Lawful Good: "Abortion avoids the consequences of your own decisions, and should only be permitted in the case of rape."

Neutral Good: "It really comes down to if the parents are going to raise the child in a loving household."

Chaotic Good: "If they don't want to raise the child, then we must encourage adoption and foster care."

Lawful Neutral: "Abortion is avoiding the consequences of your own decisions, and no exception may be permitted."

True Neutral: "In nature, there are no abortions."

Chaotic Neutral: "My body, my choice!"

Lawful Evil: "We must determine if the mother and father are fit to be parents, and enforce abortions for those we deem unfit or disloyal."

Neutral Evil: "I can determine, myself, if the mother and father are loyal to me, and either permit or deny them the ability to have children."

Chaotic Evil: "Your body, my choice!"

It looks like no good can come of this.

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>p-plz censor things I don't like on a public forum
where do you think you are that you don't think people put up with your shit? I don't agree with a thing you'd say, but I'd defend your right to say it. I'd say "to the death", but you're really not worth dying for.

Conception adds nothing, few cells are not human.

welcome to Yea Forums

depends on the rules of his order

what if your female character is getting raped by orcs, get's pregnant and is saved two months into pregnancy?

>You're just a single bag of flesh matter, so it's fine to get rid of you since we're disconnecting from humanity for things we don't care about
Imagine if any living human could be discarded by the arbitrary semantics of some Yea Forums poster

>>unironically whining about an on topic post that offended your delicate sensibilities, rather than just moving on to a topic of your liking. AND people like you demanding the person who made said topic be banned because you don't like what they say.

This is what real "intolerance" looks like.

>Imagine if any living human could be discarded by the arbitrary semantics of some Yea Forums poster

I hope people realize that the current legal cases that allow abortion are just that: the arbitrary semantics of semi random people in semi random places that decide who lives and dies based on if someone decided whether or not to use one of the many easily used and readily available forms of contraception out there.

Are you an alt rightie? Because this level of disengenous arguing is quite endemic to them

Or if it failed
Or if they got trapped
Or if they're going to die if they give birth
Or if they don't want to
Or if they're living in poverty
Or they got raped

>Or if it failed
Two forms of contraception and all that. The real issue is, people aren't using them. You don't get such a high percentage of abortions from a something that has a 99% effectiveness rate.

>Or if they got trapped

Are we talking 128 hours?

because they most likely have bigger issues at this point.

>Or if they're going to die if they give birth

And if this were the 1920s, a non 1st world county, or a really unusual situation...you might have a point.

>Or if they don't want to

The old "convenience" argument. I don't like waiting in line sometimes, the person blaring obnoxious music next to me, or a whole host of other issues that are inconvenient. I'm we all find many people "inconvenient" but that isn't a reason, it's an excuse.

>Or if they're living in poverty

Poverty isn't a reason, it's an excuse. There are plenty of options, and it's troubling that this is used and pushed to disproportionately "thin out" minority and poor populations.

...all according to margaret sanger's plan. Anyone who really wants an insightful read into the inner workings of how these people operate really should read her works some time. All this from someone who thought the eugenics programs over in pre WWII Germany were great and should be implemented here, forced sterilization for the undersirables (including the poor, disabled, minorities, etc)

>Or they got raped

Not even a majority of cases.

Even if you allowed for the big three (which statistically aren't): rape, incest, medical people wouldn't be satisfied.

>The real issue is, people aren't using them. You don't get such a high percentage of abortions from a something that has a 99% effectiveness rate
Because we keep neutering our sex education because reasons. Sex ed unironically did more for preventing abortions then gay ass religious abstinence and shaming

>Are we talking 128 hours? because they most likely have bigger issues at this point.
What? I'm talking about people lying about condoms, their use, or putting a hole in them

>And if this were the 1920s, a non 1st world county, or a really unusual situation...you might have a point.
Oh no
You're retarded

>The old convenience argument
I do agree that its pretty convenient to bot get fired or lose your job because you got pregnant and can't work. Or literally dying. Then again child birth is a very easy and not involved process that completely alters your biology and psychology with a potential for life altering risks all the way to death.

Childbearing is very easy. It's also a great idea to force people to become parents. Who wouldn't learn valuable lessons from forcibly birthing and raising a 1-10 pound shit factory for 30 years.

Assuming you don't die that is.

>The rest of that post
>"Poverty isn't a reason to get an abortioj or use birth control. What do you mean people who live check to check or barely scrapping by don't want to have kids? The housing market is fucking fantastic, student debt is at an all time low, and poverty is as simple as waking up and saying I don't want to be impoverished anymore. You know what would inspire these people? Forcing them to birth and raise a shit factory.

>inb4 don't want to have a kid just practice celibacy and abstinence. You don't want to follow this religious tenet? Well guess you're gonna go to jail bro.
>inv4 pull yourself up by your bootstraps
>inb4 just give the kid up for adoption in our criminally underfunded and lethal foster and childcare services
The absolute fucking state of moral fags.

>religious abstinence

Interesting how a lot of those programs had zero religious elements to them.

Funny how we tell people "don't drink and drive" because it's 100% effective in avoiding an alcohol related driving incident, but telling people abstinence is the only 100% effective birth control method when it's the truth?

"OMG, you cruel monster! Don't tell people to have sex!"

Sure, tell people about safe sex, but really putting out a fish bowl of condoms and saying "have fun kids" isn't smart wither.

>What? I'm talking about people lying about condoms, their use, or putting a hole in them

In that situation, the woman isn't likely to want an abortion because she's probably trying to get herself pregnant for a host of reasons that will put us into a different discussion.

>I do agree that its pretty convenient to bot get fired or lose your job because you got pregnant and can't work.

That's a basic fact of biology. I don't want to show up for work with a hangover, I don't drink the night before. Same for showing up stoned and drugs, etc.

You don't want to potentially get pregnant, or get someone pregnant, don't have intercourse. It's that simple.

>Assuming you don't die that is.

Because those stats are astronomical.

Again, not the 1920s. Oh, great response to that point, by the way. Interesting how the "pro choice" crowd is all ad hominem because they can't argue facts.

>What do you mean people who live check to check or barely scrapping by don't want to have kids?

Hey everybody, let's keep using the poor as an excuse for everything...yet make sure we never actually do anything substantive to help them.

Plenty of "poor people" actually use contraception effectively and don't have to rely on abortion because they couldn't be bothered to use it.

Interesting how you keep bringing up religion, and the only time I've mentioned it is in response to your posts.

Also, your homophobia is showing. That's pretty intolerant of you.

Because Abstinence is a religious social concept? Are you going to compare the religious belief that you should only have sex when you're married to the social and scientific conclusion that drinking and driving is fatal? I mean the bible does tell us how the world was created so you got me there. You're reductionist analogy was too good

>The rest of your post
Oh you're an incel.
Got it.
Have a good day.

>Because Abstinence is a religious social concept?

Clearly you have issues with religion that should be addressed in a thread that addresses that topic. The topic is abortion.

You want to link abstinence and religion, and while some programs might have that element...you cannot argue from a scientific standpoint that short of artificial insemination, someone who does not have sex cannot impregnate someone or get pregnant.

>Oh you're an incel.

More ad hominem. You didn't even really last one full post.

Or understand that having sex means the possibility of having a child, and act accordingly. If you're absolutely not ready or willing to have a child, don't have sex.

I don't know why I'd have to explain to you why laws based on religion or laws influenced by religion is a dumb idea. Seeing as how you already don't get it while also thinking Child birth is easy, death in child birth doesn't exist and poverty is a myth I had two choices call you an incel or retarded which you demonstrate both quite excellent. Incel seemed like a surefire way of mining gold, which its proving to be. I would never call you a MGTOW. That's just a closet incel you've seem to have embraced the ideology and kool-aid quite well

>I don't know why I'd have to explain to you why laws based on religion or laws influenced by religion is a dumb idea

Moving the goal posts. Again, your religious hate mongering would be better served in a discussion where that was actually the topic. Care to actually address the point you were responding to, or you just going to keep "rawr, religion" even though I have made zero points about it in relation to my argument.

>while also thinking Child birth is easy

I said the numbers didn't support your claims. Not the same thing.

>death in child birth doesn't exist

Never said that either. See previous comment.

>poverty is a myth

See previous comment.

>I had two choices

Debate the merits of your position and present facts, or argue petulantly and hurl insults like someone who has no real case to make.

You clearly chose the latter, because ad hominem and a lot of off topic stuff about religion (which is really just angry ranting) is all you've brought so far.