My dad is a huge 2nd Amendment gun nut. Not against the Second Amendment...

My dad is a huge 2nd Amendment gun nut. Not against the Second Amendment. What I can't get over is that school shootings are going to continue to happen forever unless the current political atmosphere allows for dialogue. That can't happen right now because passions are as high as possible. Neither side is going to budge

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Why should people give up their rights?

>school shootings are going to continue to happen forever unless the current political atmosphere allows for dialogue.
The solution doesn't lay in the hands of politicians but parents who need to teach their kids coping skills so they don't go full aspie and think it's a reasonable option to do this.

I mean before columbine school shootings didn't happen. When my dad was in HS people literally went to school with shotguns in their truck windows and nothing ever happened. So if the laws haven't changed to allow this to happen, that means the people have. And that is the bigger problem. Any law restricting guns are just a band aid fix. Because like the Oklahoma bombing and the Oslo Norway incident it's evident people can just make bombs in lieu of guns.

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Blame the government for forcing kids to be in schools but fail to protect them under their care. It shouldn't matter the type or source of the threat the gov should protect the kids.
Were paying for it theyre failing us.

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Yes, it's the guns. Pay no attention to the mental illness of the perps.

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Give me a break. You know that's a load of bullshit considering the fact there have always been mentally ill kids in schools across all cultures and all time. People seem to think the core of the problem is mental illness but the real problem is mental illness will always be with us. There's always going to be fucked up children I guarantee you that

>mentally ill kids in schools across all cultures and all time.
Define mentally ill. And also, mental illness has faded away as a public policy issue. JFK gutted the institutions that dealt with it mostly. And even if there have been mentally ill people in our schools and such, why has shooting only become mainstream in the last ten years or so?

Whats different about todays mentally ill and snowflake children to that of two decades ago?

I live in canada, we dont really have any school shootings. I remember in highschool a kid brought in a gun, not to ise it but to seem like he was cool and show it off to his friends. It was his dads gun.

These kids who bring guns into schools should have two things uncovered about them, where they got the guns and why they did it.

One thing people dont talk about often is the kids stealing the guns from their parents, legal gun owners not securing their weapons properly.

not the original poster of that but ill take a crack at it
Whats different about today's mentally ill and snowflake children to that of two decades ago?

My guess is that information is more readily available to everyone which shapes our perception of how things are. There were a lot of shootings in schools before columbine but it was only after that it rose to prominence.
Violent crime in the US is down but reporting on what does happen is some how up.
I feel as though people are doing it more or less as a meme that is to say continuing a trend that is established that wasnt before.

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Arm teachers. End of story. Have ARMED security guards. No cowardly highschooler or doper will shoot up a vulnerable school if someone can kill them b4 they even get started

Your country has like 10 million people and they're all white. Each school has like 5 people

nice double dubs
As a gun owner I feel the immense power they represent have to be tamed with discipline and control. If you have children and also have guns you need to ACCTUALLY try to pay attention to what that means.
Is your kid moody and angry? Does he have no fucking friends and talks to an anime pillow and shit? Prob should lock up the guns and check on them regularly.

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Not to diminish anything, but there's also plenty of fake news / dishonest propaganda.

It's hard to take people seriously when they get into 'knee-jerk gun ban mode'

Want the school shootings to stop? Get the kikes out of education. Hell, expel the lot of them and we all can be happy again.

They happen because we cant beat the ever living shit out our children now.

There was once a great time in history when you would leave a kids ass black and blue for acting out.

Why not teach your kids to solve problems without murdering people.

>legal gun owners not securing their weapons properly.
the faggots that tried to shot up the Colorado school yesterday broke into the one kids safe using an axe and a crowbar...how much more secure can u get than a gun safe?

Nikolas cruz from parkland florida shooting? Had a second key that was unknown to the family who required him to lock his guns up and give them the key...

Well of course there are two sides to that coin as well.
There are well intentioned people who want to solve the problem and think the answer is by bans without thinking it through.
The other side is ill intentioned people who use the previous group to push some kind of plan they want to have.

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There will always be traffic fatalities as long as people travel in cars.

There will always be overdoses as long as people use drugs.

There will always be dog bites as long as people own dogs.

There will always be.......

Dam bro i didnt know that
i guess people whos kids are mega beta faggots need to address that instead
or buy safes you cant smash into

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Would police really risk their lives to try to take away my guns?

Personally I think this whole debate you're having over there in the US is a bit silly, because one side opposes all gun control and the other side wants to ban guns. The obvious solution wouldn't be to debate whether owning guns should be legal but to set up a system to prevent certain individuals from owning guns, i.e. the people who are dangerous to others. That way the problem would be tackled and regular law-abiding Americans could still enjoy firearms.

In short, you're having the wrong debate.

Give me ONE piece of "common sense" gun control legislation that would have done ANYTHING to stop this latest shooting in Colorado. Just one.

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In many cases, discussing things with people who are 'pro gun control' is really tiring and possibly 'dangerous.'

'Orange man bad' aside, they won't be afraid to paint people in a bad light with misinformation, and offering to 'meet them halfway' almost seems like negotiating with terrorists / appeasement (thus, 'dangerous')

Unfortunately, due to the format of a forum, and in the interest of discussion, it gets tricky to handle 'gun grabbers'

Or, it could be that the morans who are the loudest on forums often get their message boosted, or that mainstream media is coloring the discussion.

Make it illegal to bring guns into school buildings

Probably not what you're looking for, but Hickock45 said that if someone is too dangerous to own a gun, they should probably be in jail already. Love that dude.

School shootings are a government op stupid all done by technology called remote neural monitoring

>mainstream media is coloring the discussion.

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Something tells me the most expedient way to resolve the issue is to first figure out why kids are deciding it's a good idea to shoot up their schools.

Yeah all of that kind of thing is true. Im a gun owner and always thought I was reasonable but something that pisses me off about guns is how everything is defensive. I love the NRA but they dont do enough in my opinion. Most republicans are severely cucked in terms of defending guns. I think that it should be the opposite instead of asking why do we have this or that we need to be asking why DONT we have this or that.
I want to be convinced why getting a more powerful weapon should be harder instead of being convinced of why having what i have already should be harder.

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This is what happens when somebody breaks the chains of the media and actually thinks about a problem. People commit actions, objects do not. Guns make it easier to kill, but the person decides to do the killing.

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In short, you know nothing about US laws

>information is more readily available to everyone which shapes our perception of how things are.
how does having access to unlimited knowledge and instant high quality porn influence kids to off themselves? If anything would that reduce it considering they can connect globally to people like them instantly? The can immerse themselves into fictional worlds like fantasy mmorpgs with like minded losers?

>There were a lot of shootings in schools before columbine but it was only after that it rose to prominence.
Cite your sources for this. And if it was already the norm and happening then why was columbine special?

>I feel as though people are doing it more or less as a meme that is to say continuing a trend that is established that wasnt before.
Nigga is you really this dumb?

Everything was going fine until the Jews showed up. Just sayin.

NYC public schools had zero school shootings last year. There’s millions of dangerous niglets in all of these schools. Granted the nigs wait til after school to shoot each other up... school security would go a long way to preventing future shootings

We should also blame all spoons for obesity.

No one needs a ladle, only tea spoons allowed. As they can sometimes be used for measuring. Ladles are gross overkill of dosing.

Largely true, therefore I didn't even mention them but it's understandable that reading comprehension isn't everyone's forte.

You dipshit, school shootings happen because of the media's reporting on the shooter. Stop reporting on the killers and they eventually will decrease.

Dumbass.

Already illegal dumbass

We should make it illegal to even think about and while we're at it also make it illegal to even talk about it!

They should just start giving these kids the death sentence within the week that they shoot up a school

Nothing gets by you

That canada fag here. You do have a point if someone wants to get into something bad enough they can get into it unless they are a complete retard.

We already have that, a background check system called NICS, The mass shooters have all been people without any prior convictions or mental hospital time, so they pass the checks

>responding to this troll

How would people react to this statement?

"Defund all sanctuary cities to provide mandatory, effective security to all 'Gun Free Zones"

>good job

So logical step would be to improve the system.

Honestly alot of countries have gun owners and guns. But only the usa seems to have problems with school shootings

It seems cultural.

Do you have any suggestions that won't infringe on the rights of gun owners and The Second Amendment?

There's nothing to budge on the second amendment, it was never up for debate.

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I think one of the big problems is that you need to pay for amy kind of mental health help so there isnt any way for these kids to get flagged

>Yes, it's the guns. Pay no attention to the mental illness of the perps.
but when rational people ask for background checks to keep the mentally ill from having guns, the NRA cries, just like YOU.
And before you CRY that I'm anti gun, anti 2nd amendment. I own 3 firearms, and have had a CCW since 2007

I never made an assumption of why people do school shootings or mass shooting overall, in fact that is what I'm trying to figure out. All I stated was the solution isn't something politicians can do. Which you seem to agree with.

Dumbass. Learn some reading comprehension skills.

Well having unlimited knowledge of things like porn or video games could be good but also its sort of a bandaid fix to their irl problems. The information I was speaking about was to do specifically with violence and crime and or the notoriety people get when they preform these shootings. That information could be an intensive.

I cant find much about the rise in prominence of school shooting coverage so Ill give you that. I guess Ill ask why it seems as though collumbine was so prominent? Was it just because so many people had died in it? From looking at this list it seems as though all through the 90s the number of incidents went right up leading to the columbine shooting so thats something I wonder about

Also I dont think that it is dumb at all to assume that because people notice the notoriety around school shootings that they want to do it more. Thats not even an uncommon idea to float why am i dumb?

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Not many but wouldn't you agree that focusing on that system would be the best choice? After all, a properly working background check system would ensure that regular people could still own guns and single out the individuals, who are unfit to own guns. The point I'm trying to make is that this current debate you're having isn't helping anyone. It seems that the gun control advocates are targeting all gun owners and are confusing controlling with banning and gun rights advocates are naturally fighting back but are also lacking the will to come up with better solutions. The issue is those few individuals who have carried out these mass shootings and both parties should concentrate on them.

Congratulations, you have identified a problem in your society! Maybe solving this issue would be a part of the solution to the bigger problem?

Meant for:

You just committed a crime then retard

I had armed security guards in my high school in the 90s
Most of them got fired because they shot more people than my classmates

>cars

Registered, Licensed, Insured for Damages, have to spend over a year getting the right to fully drive one, Millions spent to reduce damages.

>drugs

Either illegal or prescribed by a doctor or Pharmacist with years of study, beneficial when not abused, Millions of dollars spent annually to reduce fatalities.

>dogs

30-50 a year are killed and the goverment is doing all it can to educate. honestly I'mma just link the wiki article because DAMN is it good

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_bite_prevention

While there are a LOT of dog bites, only 1 in five need to got to the hospital and only 30-50 a year are fatal mostly because children.

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>it has nothing to do with mental illness, it because little shits these days bully the fuck out of other kids so bad that the bullied kid(s) just snap. and the reason bullying has gotten worse is because parents these days dont discipline their kids, shit was good in the early 90s when kids still got their ass whooped for misbehaving, no days you have parents that believe it trophies for all and being their kids friend and that is the exact reason kids do whatever the fuck they want and bully someone to that extreme

(You)
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The existing 'background checks' are fine as is. I'm open to suggestions.

The Second Amendment isn't the problem.
Also, it's not my society.

Why don't the kids just fight, like they used to? Are even the bullies scared to get hurt in a fight, so there's no actual violence at all? And if so, how do you even bully someone without the threat of violence? What the fuck have education kikes done to our children?

>>guns have existed for hundreds of years
>>hardly any school shooting up until the late 90s
>>violent video games became a big thing in the mid to late 90s, suspiciously at the same time school shootings began to happen

No, it must be guns. Can't be video games.

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there are other ways to bully someone other than the threat of physical violence. verbal bullying is just as bad

If one right can be changed they all will be sooner or later. Next you know we are North Korea

>We should also blame all spoons for obesity.

"the relationship between a spoon and making people fat is “if a person uses a spoon for a long period of time, and makes bad decisions of what to use the spoon for, then in conjunction with other factors, some unrelated to spoons, a person gets fat.” That is not the relationship between a gun and killing people. If a person uses a gun correctly, one time, for its intended purpose, it kills a person immediately."

adfontesmedia.com/why-guns-are-not-like-spoons/

D- See me after class.

not in your definition of infringe.
Probably because your ability of rational thought is borderline mental illness.

cant blame video games.. it all stems from the bad parenting of the kids who shoot up the school

same time we also got modern news
and every year for the last 20 years we have had a study on violence and video games no connection found

School shootings are going to continue no matter what we do. New Zealand is a perfect example. There will always be a black market for guns. People who are mentally deranged enough will find a way to get them.

Compare the number of mass shootings committed with legally obtained weapons vs ones where they broke dozens of gun laws. It's not even close.

Fortifying the soft targets is what needs to happen to prevent this. Do you know why the white house and other gov't buildings don't get shot up? Metal detectors and armed guards.

Do parents not teach kids, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me."? Are fathers and older brothers not teaching little ones, that of someone talks too much shit, they need a knuckle sandwich? Bullying is part of growing up. It teaches bullies that they are assholes and it teaches the bullied that they are stronger than they thought. That simpleton thought process needs to be worked out as children. It all seems like just another layer of subversion. Subtle, but extremely dangerous long term.

while that may be a way to help stop them or reduce amount of dmg, it still does nothing to fix the problem at its core

I don't think you've suggested anything so far...
Perhaps I glazed over it.

Humor me.
Quote your post/suggestion and I'll make an honest attempt at responding to it.

>same time we also got modern news

yeah, it's totally CNN and Fox News these children are so upset about.

Even though they never watch it, but they all play video games.

Can't be the video games.

no parents dont teach kids that anymore, instead they tell them that if you need to go to a "safe place" kids these days as so big of pussies all because their parents are pussies too and either dont discipline or baby the fuck outta em

correct, but until we figure that out it minimizes damage

Shhh...
If you're good at something, don't do it for free.

It really can't. Video games are ubiquitous, but violence is actually less prevalent now than ever in history. Besides, a majority of mass shooters aren't gamers.

I know this is just bait, but stahp

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OK.
The guy that shot people int the Colorado movie theater, or the guy that shot the republicans on a baseball field.

Should there have been laws to keep firearms out of their hands?

You didn't reply with your quote, and those aren't even suggestions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversies

"A 2015 meta-analysis of video game effects suggested that video games, including violent games, had minimal impact on children's behavior including violence, prosocial behavior and mental health.[74] The journal included a debate section on this meta-analysis including scholars who were both supportive[75] and critical[76][77] of this meta-analysis. The original author also responded to these comments, arguing that few coherent methodological critiques had been raised.[78] In 2016, Kanamori and Doi replicated the original Angry Birds meta-analysis and concluded that critiques of the original meta were largely unwarranted.[79]""

"Further, other studies have failed to find a link between violent games and diminished brain function. For example, an fMRI study by Regenbogen and colleagues suggested VVGs do not diminish the ability to differentiate between real and virtual violence.[84] Another study from 2016 using fMRI found no evidence that VVGs led to a desensitization effect in players.[85] In a recent BBC interview, Dr. Simone Kuhn explained that the brain effects seen in prior fMRI studies likely indicated that players were simply able to distinguish between reality and fiction and modulate their emotional reaction accordingly, not becoming desensitized.[86]"

"Studies of violent video game playing and crime have generally not supported the existence of causal links. Evidence from studies of juveniles[92][93][94] as well as criminal offenders[95] has generally not uncovered evidence for links. Some studies have suggested that violent video game playing may be associated with reductions in some types of aggression, such as bullying.[96]"

>Buh buh wikipedia

Fucking follow the links yourself, actually do some research.

F See me after class.

1. Increased security, minimum 2 armed guards on the premises at all time. More for larger schools.
2. School uniforms.
3. Ban on media showing face of shooters.
4. Probe into psychotropic drugs. Consider ban.
5. Bring back mental health hospitals.
6. Heavy penalties for parents that let children play Mature rated video games.

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Them specifically? Sure. If lawmakers had the clairvoyance to know what they'd do, and you could make a law that only restricted the rights of people who would otherwise eventually commit mass murder, then sure. But if you mean we should remove the rights of all Americans to prevent tragedy? No. The potential consequences are much more grave than even a mass murder event.

The only way to stop shootings is to get rid of the autistic faggots who don't understand how to fit in. The weird kids aren't "misunderstood" they're self involved assholes who can't handle that the world doesn't accommodate their every whim without them putting any effort in. Schools should be more responsible for dealing with these fucking faggots instead of ruining everyone else's fun because they're afraid some pussies will call it "mean" when they tell the stupid retard watching anime in class to start acting normal or fuck off.

They do all the time, both of my parents and my oldest brother have been in the school district system for life. My parents were higher up and didn't really see what was happening, but my older brother is at the basic school by school level.
>My wife's little cousin goes to his main school
>From her we hear crazy outlandish incidents of bullying, drugs, and sexually explicit acts.
He said the whole faculty sum it up and say there is no such thing as bullying, but that kids will be kids. ;)

sandy hook was fake as shit

>You didn't reply with your quote,
Because I did not have one. Just because I quoted your post does not mean I replied earlier.
>and those aren't even suggestions.
No, those are questions.
I'm sorry you are having such difficulty following this thread.

>this, to a certain degree

We need to stop encouraging everyone to "just be themselves". Nah, assimilation has its benefits. While you're young, learn to fit in. Then when you're older if you want to "be yourself", go ahead.

There have been TONS of public shootings stopped by guns.

conservapedia.com/Mass_shootings_prevented_by_armed_citizens

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internet and atheism really came on strong in the late 90s

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. NO DIALOGUE. NO BUDGING. NO MORE VIOLATIONS OF OUR RIGHTS. GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY AND MOVE TO SOME SHITHOLE IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR RIGHTS ANYMORE. STOP TRYING TO RUIN THINGS FOR EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A BABY TO DEAL WITH A FEW BULLETS.

Should it be improved? Sure.
Can it be improved? Possibly.
Will commonly quoted suggestions for it possibly damage the sanctity of The Second Amendment? You bet.

covered it.

Blame the individual not everybody else.
Guns don't kill, people do. If he didn't have a gun, he would stab someone, set the school on fire, neck himself, etc...

...background checks are already a thing.

ALL CAPS.
I yell, I win mentality.
What are you 12?

>neck himself
Is this the solution? Should society stop discouraging suicide?

SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER YOUR NONARGUMENT.

i own guns. many. are you just upset about a bumpstock?

SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED.

From my point of view, problem just removes itself.
And it is a lot better if just one psychically unstable faggot necks himself, rather than killing some else

It does, especially since it's usually Lefties killing each other off.

>the sanctity of The Second Amendment? You bet.
That shows your unwillingness to compromise.

In MY opinion, every US citizen, who is:
not a criminal
sane
an adult (not going to define with age)
Should be able to posses a firearm.

Not unreasonable right?

But suggest a background check to prove/disapprove one of those and the NRA nuts lose their "minds"

I don't think I've said any of that.
Background checks already exist.

Feel free to bring up the two incidents/people you've brought up from earlier.

The shootings are a symptom, the problems that cause it are the economy failing due to inflation, college expense, various situations where people were funneled into loan scams, climate change making the outlook apocalyptic and hopeless, politics defaulting to fascism since ww2, etc. Etc. Essentially, it's capitalists doing this and they can't be stopped so kids freak out because they get the sense they have no future and don't know the truth so they accept a familiar lie and act as "heroes for their cause".

a bump stock isnt a firearm