Did we actually go to the moon?

Did we actually go to the moon?
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, really, because I haven't read up on it a whole lot, but it does seem rather curious that after NASA destroyed the equipment that took us to the moon in the 60's we haven't been able to rebuild it. I mean, the computers back then were equivalent to calculators, yet, supposedly we don't have the technology to go back? Wtf

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We have the tech to go back. We had the tech to go there back then as well. It was a lot more dangerous back then because the computers were so limited that if they went out of range, the astronauts had to figure out how to get back on course by themselves. What is stopping us right now is reasons for going vs the cost of going.

Yes, we went to the Moon. We didn't go after Apollo 17 because that shit was EXPENSIVE. Instead, we went with Shuttle because it was supposed to be cheaper (protip: it wasn't). But by then, too much tribal knowledge was lost in how to manufacture the stuff.

It's literally impossible that NASA faked going to the Moon; they literally didn't have the technology to fake it.

youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y
Why is this guy lying, then?

It's funny, but true. Also, many pieces of "evidence" that the moon landings were faked are either made up, or taken out of context, like the van allen belt argument.

$57 million a day to NASA isn't enough?

so full of shit

No, employing that many qualified people costs a lot of money

To get views. We can land a rover on Mars. It's not much of a stretch to land a man on the moon with that same technology.

IIRC watch Saturn V launch cost about $1b in 1969 dollars.

Yeah, 9/11 pretty much killed that kind of frivolous spending.

He's obviously part of the jew lobby trying to make up more (((evidence))) that we didn't go to the moon. The same jews that destroyed all of the original records from the moon landing. Kubrick was behind taping over the tapes

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>to get views

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No, he's right. We went and NASA as an organization forgot how to build the rockets. It's just too expensive to re-figure it out and they want to pursue other projects.

See
youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs

ITT:bullet proof arguments
>science in every single field has moved forward since the 1960's except for space travel where we went backwards

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>filmmaker says not
you expect anyone to take that seriously? Didn't watch

tl;dr reasons - Very expensive, we lost heavy lift capabilities when the Michoud Assembly Facility was shut down (home of Saturn V and Saturn IB first stages), Nixon "didn't want to continue a successful Democrat program" (you can hear this quote in the Nixon tapes, google it) by continuing the Apollo landings past 17 (there were supposed to be three more landings, then the next phase post-Apollo program + Moonbase + manned Mars expedition).

Detailed explanations:

"After Apollo?" by John H. Logsdon

"The Space Shuttle Decision" by T. A. Heppenheimer (free at nasa.gov, explains why the shuttle never worked as promised even though we were stuck with it for 30+ years)
note: updated and non-free printed version is "Space Shuttle Decision, 1965-1972 (History of the Space Shuttle, Volume 1)"

"Development of the Space Shuttle, 1972-1981" by T. A. Heppenheimer (more stuff to make you cry/angry)

Hope that helps.

>except for space travel where we went backwards
What's it like being retarded? You've literally got no idea what you're talking about.

video is full of shit too

I'd guess there's a little more to it than that. They probably have no interest in building those same rockets because they were way overcomplicated and dangerous as fuck.

OP is a literal nazi. Denying the moon landing is antisemitism in its purest form. Disgusting

Pretty much. It's like you did a project last year. Then you go back and look at it and realize how many small details you forgot about. Then imagine it's not YOU that did the work, but a team of people you have never worked with and everything was done on paper and some documents are lost.

>destroyed the equipment that took us to the moon in the 60's we haven't been able to rebuild it

5 dudes in a hotel room rebuilt the computer that was on the apollo missions with some parts and blueprints from nasa

/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU

troll harder.

Anyone who thinks we actually went to the moon is a mouth breathing retard. Any rational person can look at all the evidence and conclude it was a hoax and a bad one at that. Wind blowing the flag, writing left on prop rock, uncrossable radiation belts, missing stars in photographs, not having the computing power to accomplish computing such complex trajectories, I could go on and on. It was a simple ploy to make the America look more superior than Russia.

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Yet we don't have the technology

show me a picture of wind blowing the flag on the moon or suck your dad's dick.

>destroyed the equipment
You can literally go to the Kennedy space center and see the Saturn V rocket.

Look into it.

>show me a picture of wind blowing the flag on the moon
Reread your request and get back to me when you realize why you’re retarded.

I believe we went, just not in 69’. That was just propaganda and “beating the Russians” the real landing happened in the late 70’s or early 80’s.

hmm... no picture huh? now you have to suck your dad's dick.

Let me guess...
You did "research" by watching youtube vids...

Fucking retard

Fun fact: The full-scale Saturn V/Apollo stacks at the Kennedy, Marshall, and Johnson Space Flight Centers aren't models or mock-ups. They are (or should have been) the equipment used in the Apollo 18, 19, and 20 lunar landing missions that were cancelled.

A Saturn 5 rocket not THE Saturn 5 rocket, that’s at the bottom of the ocean.

We can go back. But there’s literally no reason to.

I've seen one. They big

I have to admit the original footage getting lost or stolen is pretty suspect, but it’s a moot point because nobody cares about moon landings or who was first, mining space is the future.

Aren’t some of the stage 3 boosters still in an elliptical orbit?

Let me guess...
You did “research” by watching government propaganda vids...

Fucking idiot

I've seen a few Shuttle launches. The entire east coast of Florida (and southern Georgia) sees rockets that launch from Kennedy, especially at night. How were these secret moon missions supposedly launched in the late 70s or early 80s without anyone but NASA noticing? Particularly during the Cold War with the Soviets, when *anything* that took off like an ICBM was watched intensely by both sides?

>we totally did in the first place
Why did the supposed moon stone turn out to contain materials from earth?

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The soviets were faking their own missions. To expose the US meant they would be exposed too. Mutually assured destruction.

It probably decayed and they burnt up by now

The moon was created when a small planet sized object colided with the young earth, ejecting shit tons of material into orbit.
This material then formed the moon

It was literally fossilized wood.

Yes there is helium 3, need a permanent base for that and 800 gorillion dollars can only be spent on the military, not on clean free energy for the planet.

Some scientists are questioning that now but they all agree the moon is an oddity, way too big in relation to us.

Sad

The Saturn V first and second stages that were launched are in the Atlantic, and the ones that have been found are becoming reef-like objects with a lot of sea life near them. IIRC, of the Saturn V third stages that left Earth orbit, several impacted on the moon and the rest are in big elliptical orbits around the Earth-Moon system. Wikipedia has a page showing the locations (or impact sites) of most of the Apollo hardware.

Maybe capture orbit then

You realize the US military budget is only 3% of the country’s GDP right? All our money is wasted on retarde shit like giving Africa 100 million dollars to study the mating habits of Nigerian voles.

I dont even know any more honestly.
Im pretty sure we went but the footage is bullshit. Why hasnt any other country gone? Why do the astronauts contradict themselves in regards to being able to see the stars or not while on the moon, how did they get past the van allen belt? Why all of a sudden the moons now in earth atmosphere so dont worry about the van allen belt guys lol, why did wernher von braun say we would need a rocket as big as the empire state building to get to the moon and need to refill it to even get back, why does wernher von braun have psalms 19:1 on his grave stone? Something is clearly going on.

Cite your source(s), please, and specify what "moon stone" you're referring to. FWIW, we brought back tons of lunar surface debris.

Less space junk, if we keep polluting orbit we’ll be prisoners on our own planet.

The one buzz gave to some dutch fags or something was petrified wood kek

Von braun was a pioneer, not a genius.
He put the engine of one of his rockets on top because he thought it would act like a pendulum.

People always go on about the van allen belts and the lethal radiation because someone quoted a research paper stating that crossing through them is lethal. They omitted the part of the paper that states the duration one would have to spend in them in order to die. What Nasa did was to measure the belts, forecast a thin spot and punch through it as fast as possible. The astronauts did indeed get irradiated, but it was a nearly harmless dose. As for the flag moving, it was momentum in a frictionless environment. The rest is old cameras. Your camera phone is more advanced by far and yet you're not going to see a single star in a picture if you weren't intentionally focusing on them.

Yeah

We have one of the Nordic countries a “moon stone” as a gift and it ended up being a piece of petrified wood. Let’s face it. The hoax held up in the 70’s and even into the late 90’s but we now have too much technology and information to still for the fake moon landings.

don't breed thanks

Apollo missions all happened but they were still ultimately theater. That's why they're such juicy conspiracy bait. The public was sold a big dramatic spectacle about space travel so naturally people who love drama will come up with all kinds of nonsense.
In reality no ones interested in building something like a Saturn rocket these days. There's obviously no money in it. The moon is just a big ball of rocks so they only reason to do it would essentially be 'just cuz'.
NASA would have to do it again and if the pitch for such a massive project essentially boils down to "we want to prove some crusty basement dwellers wrong about astrophysics" it'll be hard to justify the cost.

Apparently the race is back on. China is already making plans and now SpaceX is as well. They're going after helium3

>Von braun was a pioneer, not a genius

No youre right a aerospace engineer and space architect who was the leading figure in the development of rocket technology in Germany and a pioneer of rocket technology and space science in the United States wasnt a genius.

Are you retarded?

>we just really really fast through a thin part

Listen to this bullshit explanation.

You realize that non-US and non-Soviet new agencies (and ham radio operators) around the world could pick up transmissions from US and Soviet spacecraft, including the Apollo missions that went to the moon, and that these transmissions couldn't be faked, right? That the transmissions were tracked and clearly coming from objects in low Earth orbit (or in the case of the Apollo missions, from objects going to or returning from the moon), and *someone* had to put these objects in space, right? So it wouldn't just be the US and the Soviets having to keep this secret, it would be the media outlets of every other country in the world with decent radio & tv tech PLUS thousands and thousands of ham radio operators and hobbiests around the world too, right?

We have the tech, but not the will to spend the huge amounts of money they spent back then. The current president wants to build some wall instead.

Radiation isn't a magic death ray, with enough shielding and limited time of exposure you can survive high doses of radiation while only suffering an increased risk of developing cancer.

You realize every country on earth is in the pocket of either the United States or Russia right?

Ya I wish they would hurry up and build that fucker so all the illegal spics can stay in Mexico where they belong.

I guess "cite your source(s)" doesn't translate into idiotese.

Lol, current day Russia is a joke. It's more like countries are in the pocket of China now.

And the whole thing is that they have only so much money, and going to the moon again is not much of a priority.

Maybe if you read the fucking paper you'd know what I was talking about.

Why not deport them to a new Moon colony?

It's common to not see stars in current space pictures as well. See SpaceX pics/vids

Why, so they can divide the moon into gang territories and deal drugs there?

Those are fake too dumbass. There is no “space”.

If true (and you're still far to vague to confirm/deny anything; which country, when, can you point to a news report or article, etc.), the easiest explanation is that you're referring to one of the hundreds of mounted samples given to ambassadors and heads of state around the world. Many of these were quickly stolen and to this day still occasionally appear on the black market. If you don't want your theft to be noticed for a while, replace it with something that looks similar.

Anyway, enough feeding trolls.

we have the technology to go back. as to why we don't: politics. the space race was over, and unless the benefits of investing in space travel outweighs the cons, according to the views of world leaders at least, we won't go back for some time.

Have you never heard of google retard?

China would like a word with you, comrade.

To the moon, through the van allen belt, and back on 4kb of memory

It wasn't Buzz. Just some asshole ambassador who couldn't be bothered to remember how he acquired it.

I should hope so; I worked for them before they went public, in return they funded my retirement. Never addressed my previous comment, I noticed.

Money isn't in progress. Its in money. No more competition

I forgot the link.

interesting...

I guess "cite your source(s)" still doesn't translate into idiotese.

Fuck I'm stoned
nbcnews.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/moon-rock-museum-just-petrified-wood/

telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

Ok, im not in the mood to read all this because I know there's a shit ton of autists here so:

1.-Yes, we went to the moon
2.-We are not going back cuz it's waaay too expensive and there's no point, we even put "mirrors" that allow us to track the moon position via laser
3.-The millions of dollars the Nasa has are absolutelly NOTHING compared to the military budget of the us
Nasa:$21.5 billion
Military: $706 billion
(says a lot about your country huh)
Since we have no reason to go back to the moon we are preparing to go to mars, either we make it or not it's got way more interest than the moon

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You seem to be missimformed. We have the technoalgy to go back. It will just cost alot and they say its pointless to go back and spend all that money. I believe we went because all of the " reasons" its fake have been disproved

Read the plaque.

>im not in the mood to read all this

And this is where i stopped reading. You sound like a fucking woman. Men are talking shhhhh

We went to the moon to one-up Russia and communism.

If we hadn't, don't you think the Russians would have called us out hardcore on the lie?

We stopped going because we had already proved our shit was superior to theirs, and there was no cost benefit to further trips.

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>we have no reason to go back to the moon

Yeah no reason. not like we could do experiments with moons gravity, atmosphere and all sorts of other shit. Youre a daft cunt.

>complex trajectories

You do realise that going to the moon just involves flying a huge elongated orbit until your captured by the moons gravity. Free return trajectory? Heard of that? It's all pretty simple. The command module had a sextant, the computer knew certain stars locations. Bit like....um...a ships crew since before....um...computers..

>the price is not worth it
>gravity can be done via g forces in a plane
>atmosphere can be altered in a compressed chamber

It's not the same but it's much much much much much less expensive, also we have to save for mars

You (not ameritard here) went there without checking security. Astrodudes died up there to make a few people able to walk on the Moon. And it cost a shitton of dollars.
Scientificaly, we have greater goals than Moon's ground.
If we go back there, it will be for colonization. With less money it's a lot harder.

Also the moon dust is extremelly dangerous nad can damage suits, and sending an entire lab to the moon AND bring it back SAFELY would be almost impossible, this aint Kerbal Space Program fag

Yes we did

And learn what?

Now that I think about it who the fuck cares if we went or not

The retards that think we didn't go are just gonna sit comfy no matter how many facts we show them and we already have all the data we need about the moon, there's no point in arguing lol

also there was no point in going other than pride in the first place lol

>also there was no point in going other than pride in the first place lol

Holy fuck you cant be this retarded.

I noticed that helium3 mining has been mentioned a few times. I assume that the posters are referring to the fact that He3 exists in lunar surface material (and pretty much doesn't exist on Earth), and that He3 in fusion reactions release huge amounts of energy without causing the surrounding material to become radioactive. In fact, a He3-He3 fusion reaction would be essentially aneutronic and would give you more bang for your buck than anything other than a matter-antimatter reaction (which is only going to give you gamma rays, and would therefore make a really shitty power source).

The reasons we aren't strip-mining the lunar surface right now are:

* the temperatures required to achieve helium-3 fusion reactions are much higher than in traditional fusion reactions;

* we still have yet to create ANY stable traditional fusion reactions that could work for power generations, and;

* there's evidence that the amount of He3 in lunar surface material is lower than we originally thought, possibly much lower.

The Chinese are (slowly) investigating this, as they know fossil fuels simply aren't sustainable long-term; if they make any breakthroughs or discoveries, you can bet that the US and every other country in the world capable of reaching the Moon is going to jump in on this. Relatively cheap and abundant He3 to power sustainable fusion reactions would transform the world, just as the move from muscle to steam power did, and the move from steam to fossil fuels did after that. Unfortunately, we're still several major breakthroughs away from He3-powered-fusion being a reality, let alone practical.

That's why we're not currently strip-mining the Moon for He3.

Damn you got me. Youre right theres absoluelty no data, information or anything advantageous that could ever be gained from doing experiments off planet or on the moon.

If you did have a lab on the moon why would you have to bring it back physically to collect the data or information? If only there was a was to transfer data and information over a long distance....

>telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

Thank you. Which is more likely though?

A) Someone stole the lunar sample and replaced it with a chunk or petrified wood at some point, or;

B) The Apollo Program and the Soviet lunar attempt were global conspiracies on a scale never before seen, requiring cooperation and absolute secrecy from millions of individuals from around the world, and somehow definitive proof of the conspiracy has never surfaced?

Thank you. Which is more likely though?

A) Someone stole the lunar sample and replaced it with a chunk or petrified wood at some point, or;

B) The Apollo Program and the Soviet lunar attempt were global conspiracies on a scale never before seen, requiring cooperation and absolute secrecy from millions of individuals from around the world, and somehow definitive proof of the conspiracy has never surfaced?

would you want to put an extremelly fragile, powerful, expensive telecomunications sistem on the moon?
yeah no

This is a really good point. Moon dust isn't "dust"; it's much more like tiny bits of jagged glass (shattered rock from meteorite impacts). It was seriously degrading the seals and moving parts on the lunar rovers & space suits at the end of the three longer lunar stays (Apollo 15-17), scratching the suit visors & lenses on the cameras to the point of uselessness, etc. Examination of the gear that returned to Earth indicated that the equipment couldn't last more than a week to ten days on the lunar surface before failing catastrophically. So anything that goes back longterm is going to have to be designed to deal with plowing through the equivalent of ground glass on a daily basis.

>no reason to go back
Not paying attention to the thread are ya?

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There is I am sure. But what could be up there that we need right now in this throwing money at the garbage hole we have created to live in society?

We don't exactly need faster travel and we aren't at the desperate stage of living in space, so what is going to get money thrown at this?

You can have progress of people cutting off dicks and I guess we already chose

Or* not of

please post your single best piece of evidence that we did go to the moon. i promise to debunk it within a minute or two with evidence you can verify for yourself. go.

In order to love broadcast the Apollo mission from launch to the Moon, you wouldn't be able to load the film on the spool. And even if you did cut it into multiple slices, you'd need to splice them perfectly. And at no point could you have dust or imperfections, else the whole fakery is exposed.

mirrors on the moon, how do you fake that?

Your explanation would make sense, except we had not discovered the can Allen belt when we went to the moon.

the entire apollo 11 "live broadcast" footage was filmed entirely from a single 14inch television screen with zero external broadcast quality feeds. all known "original high def" apollo 11 footage of this most important event for mankind has been "lost".

This isn't exactly what you're asking for, but I'm curious: Hundreds of thousands of people personally watched Apollo 7-17 take off (ie - they were within a few miles of the launch pad for each launch; my parents and I watched 14 take off, though I was too young at the time to remember it). Where did the rockets go?

I've been to several Shuttle launches; it's not an exaggeration to say that tens if not hundreds of thousands of people line the streets and shores for a launch (made the mistake of hitting the road after seeing my first launch, took five hours to go seven miles to get back on the interstate). You can't fake a launch.

Disclaimer: I know that 7 and 9 stayed in low Earth orbit, and 12 took off during a thunderstorm so the crowds were a lot smaller. Still leaves 8, 10-11, and 13-17 with ginormous crowds watching them go up, up, and away. Even a 6" hobby telescope could watch them leave low Earth orbit for the moon.

i will assume you mean the laser reflectors? apollo 11 was claimed to have deployed laser reflectors that measure 46cm x 46cm. NASA claim a single observatory on earth can fire a laser 380,000km and hit those targets... but simple maths tells us the size/area of the beam at 380,000km is almost 7,000m.

Raise you're hand if your country put men on the moon.

Cap wields Mjolnir and says hail hydra
Thanos dies Twice
Ironman and Romanoff dies

EndGameeeeee

Even the kinds of steel we used to build Saturn isn't made any more. All the engines would need to be redesigned for modern equipment.

Are you schizophrenic?

i fully believe 100% we fired apollo "astronauts" into LEO. the booster rockets themselves landed safely down range in the pacific. i have no problems at all with the launches being real. also, no hobby telescope could have tracked the command module as it was very tiny. take the space shuttle for example, at 190miles up you could track it a pin size spec of light with great home telescopes. the furthest the space shuttle ever went was 330miles and nobody at home would have seen it. i honestly believe man has never left LEO. i'm sure today we could with massive effort, but not back in 1969 for sure.

Stuff we should have build instead of the Saturn V, Saturn Ib, and Space Shuttle but didn't:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Dragon_(rocket)

itt shills

we forgot how to do all this shit
fucking we wuz kangs NASA bullshit

everything about space looks fake as fuck, from the moon lander take off from the moon, to 'spacewalks' to elons red rocket car.

except for the fact that companies like spacex are literally trying to create rockets as powerful as the Saturn v.

trollin hard for NASA

Our budget does say alot about our country. We are currently fronting the bill for bassicly all of NATO, plus committed to defending South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. Not to mention dozens of other countries. Plus, we spend the most of any nation in the world, but still spend less of our GDP then China or Russia. Also of note, we have no conscription in the country. Volunteer only. So we don't have to worry about feeding and clothing a bunch of people who don't want to be there, as where China has to spend a large chunk of their budget just to train and maintain a bunch of soldiers who plan on doing there 2 years and get out. Imagine how much money we the US could spend if our NATO Allie's put up their fair share. I believe every member of NATO is supposed to spend %3 of their GDP, the closest is, I believe, the UK at %1.5. So, yes our budget does say alot about our country. Willing to foot the bill for everyone else to avoid WW3. You're Welcome.

Which would you rather do?
Space travel
or
Let niggers live for free without ever working.
Pick one. We can't afford to do both.

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6.5km wide sure, but it isn't as though the array is not under that beam? We detect the return of photons from the emissions sent. What part of this doesn't make sense?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

yes, men were there.

yes, cameras got rekt by radioactivity, so they had to stage pics afterwards

except the moon potentially has massive deposits of HeliumIII under the surface, something that can be used as a relatively clean source of fuel

You got the flight profile wrong:
> no hobby telescope could have tracked the command module as it was very tiny

The Saturn V's S-IC and S-II dropped into the Atlantic after their burns. The S-IVB, with the LM and SM+CM on top, maintained a parking orbit of ~110 miles until trans-lunar injection.

The S-IVB with the LM and SM/CM was only slightly smaller than the Shuttle itself (ie - minus exterior tank and SRBs), and orbited ~60 miles lower than the Shuttle's typical ~170 miles (not 190)(exception: STS-82 at ~330 miles for Hubble repair).

I could easily see the Shuttle with my 8" schmidt cassegrain, I'd have been able to see the upper Saturn stage + Apollo stack do its TLI burn even easier. You're OK with astronauts (no "" necessary, once you go over 50 miles up you get your wings) in LEO, once you do a TLI, you're on your way to the moon.

The entire mission was an amazing feat for its time.
They had no computers.
They had people that did math on paper, for weeks and weeks, to figure out the speeds and trajectories.
It’s mind blowing. It’s no wonder folks don’t believe it

I don't recall the A11 fuck-up offhand, but A12 had improved cameras for both the LM and a handheld remote for the astronauts, broadcasting in *color* even, so they'd have amazing live footage of the second landing, and not repeat the A11 mistakes.

LM camera got stuck in some weird position before landing, IIRC. No problem, mission commander Conrad had the handheld. Those old cameras used tubes, not ccds like todays; they could get overloaded and burn out easily. Conrad had it accidentally pointed at the sun when he took off the lenscap. Oops.

A13 didn't make it to the moon.

We didn't get good live video from the lunar surface until A14.

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Another question for conspiracy nutters:

If we were going to fake a lunar landing so we could claim victory over the Soviets, why do it *six fucking times*? Wouldn't once be enough, with much less chance of being caught?

The real problem is all about physics. Google for "gravity well" and "escape velocity".
Taking a payload the moon requires an absurdly large lot of fuel which in turn requires absurdly powerful engines and an absurdly complex build.

The space race is over, Russians won everything but landing men on the Moon, and that's that. Without any serious financial return to send men to the Moon, noone will ever attempt it again. Everything they planned in "space" can be done in some LEO (Low Earth Orbit) structure like the aging ISS (also, if anything bad happens there, the crew can quickly return back to Earth). Also, even if gold and uranium were found on the Moon, it would cost just too much getting them back to Earth and cash out.

The entire brouhaha about "water on the Moon, water on Mars", is all about building structures (3D-printing them with regolith) and sustaining human life (you may recycle water from pee, but you need lots of water to keep a space orchard like in that small-penised The Martian movie).

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I don't know.

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because the range finder is simply hitting the moon surface and reflecting back. if you throw out basic math and physics like NASA do a lot then a 6.5km - 7.0km laser beam will hit a lot of things, not just a 46cm by 46cm reflector.

that's a Grendizer anime screenshot, faget

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because the jews at NASA were getting paid billions. And simultaneously were able to indoctrinate generations of retarded bugmyn with the propaganda of reaching the unknown.

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LATE NIGHT DISCORD PARTY RIGHT NOW!!!

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I don't know what that means you autistic shit lord.
cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79B00752A000300130001-1.pdf

Actually Russia was first on the moon and came back, just with a robot and not with people

amid all the toxicity and faggotry, a light shines in the abyss; bless you, what a great and informative post

>wow materialist jews were making shit up regarding cosmology
space doesn't even exist in the sense that you think it does.

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well i would disagree with you there. being a max of 330miles up is a tiny tiny tiny distance above our surface compared to going to the moon. so i would not call them astronauts the same way i wouldn't call SR-71 pilots astronauts. if rockets went straight up and are hitting 24,000mph+ etc then you'd go into what i would call proper space in a few of hours, but rockets do not go straight up and since we stupidly define space with karman line (only 100km+ or were the air is too thin for us to fly in/thermosphere) then i stand by we've never been into outer space.

>unironically using the word toxic like a 12 year old gamer boy

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why drop 2 bombs on japan when 1 was enough? because we had to show the world it wasn't a fluke. that and sputnik scared the shit out our grandparents so bad they needed something huge to make america great again. wait a minute.

ebin

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I'm sorry that you were educated by jews, but you're misinformed.

Remember, the stories posted on here are not real and 90% of all the people who debate you are paid shills.
Important rule of thumb is, whatever the jews position on anything, the opposite is true.

the atomic bomb was "developed" exclusively by foreign jews, most of them literal communists.
The US didn't do shit.

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A few minor quibbles:

Your comments about absurd amounts of fuel are correct WRT chemical rockets. Nuclear (NERVA, and/or Project Orion, mentioned above) would take care of a lot of that. Solar sails and ion drives would assist as well, particularly for long duration and/or unmanned missions.

Sea Dragon (also linked above) addresses the complexity issues.

Reusability and quick turnaround also lower costs, which is why SpaceX is eating NASA's lunch (and hopefully Blue Origin will too). Don't expect NASA's SLS to do more than a demo flight or two; it's a pork project for Alabama and Florida senators. NASA wants to get out of the "shipping things to low Earth orbit" business and let the private sector take over that field.

The Soviets were ahead of us initially. We pulled ahead early in the Gemini project and never looked back. It all came to a screeching halt under Nixon. As one NASA scientist said during an interview after the 2010-2011 Chinese hacks had been discovered, "I wish they'd stolen our Shuttle info instead of the Orion stuff ["Orion capsule," not "Project Orion"], then they could set their manned space program back 30 years."

nice reddit response, faggot.
tldr

Dude we got to the moon but the video is fake
Look at it
It s clearly fake
No seriously dude go on youtube and watch it and tell me it s not fake

a compelling argument, present one.

germans developed the atomic bomb. germany already had started development of the device before 1943. if it wasn't for norwegian bros destroying the german deuterium oxide facilities germany would have won the atomic race and the war.

I believe you are thinking of Luna 16, which wasn't launched until Sept 1970:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16

Apollo 11 and 12 returned samples first.

>germans developed the atomic bomb. germany already had started development of the device before 1943. if it wasn't for norwegian bros destroying the german deuterium oxide facilities germany would have won the atomic race and the war.
I've heard that story as well, but the fact of the matter is that German physicists were not interested in materialism.
That's what the atom was.

There are some people out there that believe the atom bomb was a hoax by the Jews, and that Japan was just carpet bombed to shit--since the radiation would be immense, yet people are living there carefree now.

4.05
youtu.be/G6A72ufn3l4

Thank you. I do space exploration and pro-science evangelism as sci-fi cons, as well as occasional Moon-landing-hoax debunking. Participating in this thread (while trying to do as much from memory and with as few online resources as possible) has been a nice practice session. I've posted a few other hopefully useful links for further info throughout.

>supposedly we don't have the technology to go back?
Are you retarded?

You're free to disagree. You're still wrong, though.

How many moon landing denying jews are out there? How is $20 billion/year not enough to accomplish anything substantial? Where does the money go and what is the return?
Honestly curious

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well, if the germans were attempting to build them in 1943 in top secret (in the middle of WWII) then how exactly do you explain how the united states designed (from scratch allegedly), fabricate (allegedly), construct (allegedly) and detonate the 1st atomic weapon in july 1945? WWII did not end until september 1945, so months before the war in europe ends that USA miraculously pull an atomic weapon out of thin air? that is not believable in the slightest, yet that is what we are told the manhattan project did. maybe they built one from german designs and materials would make much more sense.

youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y
Are you?

>why drop 2 bombs on japan when 1 was enough?
We wanted to test a uranium bomb AND a plutonium bomb on a live population. And avoid a land invasion of the Japanese islands. And send a message to the Soviets to back off, stop their invasion, and stay out of Japan.

no, not really. besides your 8'' schmidt cassegrain (let's assume you have a nice f/10 schmidt cassegrain) wouldn't have shown you shit of the space shuttle more than a fuzzy white blob. it's 8'', not 8'. it gives it roughly 63x power? the moon looks great in 63x, but the space shuttle? no need to lie.

If you're seriously interested in the topic, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes should answer most of your questions:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making_of_the_Atomic_Bomb

It's long, but *very* good. If you like it, he has several other books covering nuclear history and weapons from the 1950s (H-bomb development) through the early 2000s.

>on a live population.
no. truman ordered the bombings to scare the russians that had just invade manchuria. we already knew the bombs would be highly effective from the trinity tests so to say we wanted to commit mass murder of japanese civilians as a "test" is outrageous.

Yeah, really.

It's small and fuzzy around the edges, but the shape is recognizable.

Kinda drifting off topic, though. Your original argument was that the lunar landings were faked, and no one has ever left low Earth orbit. You still haven't shown any type of evidence of your claims.

>please post your single best piece of evidence that we did go to the moon. i promise to debunk it within a minute or two with evidence you can verify for yourself. go.

i am still waiting for any evidence that passes even basic scrutiny. none has been presented so far.

Yea america would never do that
I mean it s not like war is war
America is the good one not only because the winners write history books

And prevent Operation Downfall.

I never said Truman wanted to test the bombs on a live population (I've read claims he was not told how devastating the weapons would be, which seems plausible as nobody at the time knew what the full effects would be, particularly the long term effects). The military was quite interested though, as some of the higher-ups were sure we'd be at war with the Soviets in a few years.

You're the one making extraordinary (and ridiculous) claims. Burden of proof is on you. Put up or shut up.

>hurrr the burden of proof is on you because reasons. what utter nonsense.

wait, me asking for your evidence that we went to the moon that stands up to basic scrutiny is "ridiculous"? and i think you'll find you guys are making the extraordinary claims aka "WE WENT TO TEH MOON, BOYS! (source: trust_me_bro.jpeg)". so surely you have some proof this insanely great event in human history actually happened, right? provide it, please.

Let me get this straight. You are LITERALLY saying the burden of proof is on that user after YOU have shown no evidence to support your claims? He has provide counter arguments to the 2 pieces of evidence so far; Laser Reflectors and Filmed footage. Both his counter arguments stand up and can be checked by anyone who takes less than a minute of their time to check. You have stated we went to the moon and have offered ZERO proof to back this claim up. That user has asked you to provide the proof you are basing your claim on. So the burden of proof is on YOU. And it should be easy, right? After all it's the fucking moon landings there's a ton of evidence and proof, right?

Jumping in late, but one question I never got a satisfactory answer about from the moon landing conspiracy people, why didn't the Soviets broadcast the fraud? They had observers on our missions, and ran probes past the moon to confirm our landings after...

So why let us beat them by fraud uncontested?

Ha our Moon nazi station has successfully harvested helium3 for decades, so Why wont you just fuck off, my grandpa Juckende Rosette even took a shit in Niels footprints and after he drunk too much he vandalized the last remains from your 'moonbase'

Everyday are 4 moon nazi stations babys born and thats good and bad, we had to go into the underground to stay in the dark and we even have wifi, thanks to to the helium3 modified moon rover dish and now were developing an automated shit dispose system, because shit was flying literally everywhere, and basicly were launching our shit to desired locations on the earth so hopefully one is not from you, dickhead

Schnitzel, Sauerkraut, Leberwurst, Hundekot, Ameisen Hoden Känguru Poloch and eingelegte meerschweinchen Füße we get that shit all day so I know that all of you 'mericunts are jealous of it, so remember my name cunt

We had the science, the engineering, the money, and the desire to do so. We went to the moon. The evidence is all around you.

You say you believe we didn't. So you're asking people to believe in the largest conspiracy in history, a conspiracy being kept by literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of people directly involved, primary from two countries who hate each others guts (proxy wars and nukes pointed at each other for decades, remember), and who would have *loved* to embarrass each other on the world stage.

A dozen people couldn't even keep Watergate secret.

In fact, if you think of the scale of the conspiracy necessary, it would have been cheaper to just go to the moon than put everything in place to fake it (unmanned rockets going to and from the moon nine times that could be followed with telescopes and radar, including transceivers for fake conversations to and from the moon broadcasting openly for anyone to pick up, putting equipment we still use today on the lunar surface, and props for the high-res lunar satellite images the Chinese picked up a few years ago, and all of the fake moon vehicle props in museums, fake footage shot in studios, including the rovers driving over miles of fake lunar surface, etc), and keep the lie going for 50 years.

If you truly believe we didn't go, you can research the history of the times (conspiracy theories are not history, ask a librarian or contact a university history department for recommendations), learn the math and science involved, maybe even start contacting the astronauts and engineers still with us from those times once you really know what to ask. For all of its faults, we really do live in a remarkable time; most knowledge and history is available to anyone willing to look and invest the time in absorbing it.

If you're not willing to do that, I pity you. Through willful ignorance, you're missing out on something amazing.

He is not lying, just saying that we fired all the people and institutional knowledge that could have kept us going there using that particular technology set. Try and find a team of Cobol programmer these days...

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You're after the wrong guy, I think. I'm the put up or shut up guy, and I'm the one of the anons posting links to actual info and histories. I'm 100% "yes we went, you're crazy or ignorant if you believe otherwise (though if you're just ignorant, you can learn if you want)."

Almost correct. We went backwards with your education, faggot.

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Its' a fucking lie... the whole fucking world is a lie with Jews at the helm of it all.

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You're a fucking idiot, aren't you?

Why the fuck would NASA spend the amount of money needed to keep people alive on the moon AND bring them back?

It's much easier to send rovers because you don't need to protect their life on the way. They don't need a place to live. They don't need a return vehicle back to Earth. No one's life is at risk.

These are the reasons we don't send people to the Moon.

Why the FUCK haven't you joined this server yet?
discord.plus/7RVqurQ

I-ixc

That's all they ever done was work for free what the fuck are you talking about... I think it's your turn to work for free for about 1000 years... let the fucking niggers have some recoup time...

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We do, but the government is unwilling to fund the effort. Troll. Harder.

>missing stars in photographs

You know fuck all about photography do you?

I'm an astrophotographer and I understand about shutter speed and exposure. You're a fucking idiot.

Say it was fake: So what? The US had their great publicity stunt.
It's kind of a boring conspiracy theory if it has no consequence on anyone.

>Look into it
Great citation bro. Totally convinced.

Wait, I misread your post (it's late where I am, I'm hitting the sack soon).

Yes, we went to the moon. The evidence is overwhelming. I can't help it if you're not willing to accept (or understand) it. The denier has made extraordinary claims. He has provided no evidence for his claims, and debunked nothing.

If you and the other deniers simply can't understand the evidence, or are unwilling to acknowledge it, I can't fix that in a few sentences. If your problem is a lack of knowledge, you can remedy that; good luck, it's a long journey but it will be worth it. If you want to cling to your conspiracy theories and not learn basic science (or logic, or reasoning, or critical thinking), I dunno what to tell ya, man. You're fucked. Have fun ranting on Yea Forums.

For anyone still reading, one last book recommendation before I call it a night:

"The Demon-Haunted Wold: Science as a Candle in the Dark," by Dr. Carl Sagan. Excellent "how to debunk bullshit & not get taken in by crazies" introduction.

Jews think they're gonna have another empire to leech on, they counting on China and India.. but they're not gonna have another Babylon

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No

This guys got it

>We had the science, the engineering, the money, and the desire to do so.
we didn't have the science, we didn't have the engineering. the desire sure, and money of course. armstrong himself is quoted repeatable as stating he was extremely concerned about apollo being even 50% successful. in fact less than a year before he supposedly touched down on the lunar surface he almost died when the lander crashed during a test flight.

> a conspiracy being kept by literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of people directly involved
this is a very common argument that a lot of people make. however, 1000s of people worked on the manhattan project, not a soul knew until the 1st atomic weapon exploded at the trinity test site.

>primary from two countries who hate each others guts
oh the soviets/russia were questioning the landings up until last year. dmitry rogozin himself is quoted as saying that russia intend on sending a probe to the moon soon that will verify once and for all if the americans did indeed land. also, if the soviets at the time had of said it was a hoax no western news agency would have printed the story as it would of been deemed soviet propaganda and dismissed.

>if you think of the scale of the conspiracy necessary, it would have been cheaper to just go to the moon than put everything in place to fake it
the saturn rockets were 100% real. they really did blast off. only 3 tracking stations were used. they were CSIRO parkes, honeysuckle creek and goldstone. 3 secure locations not anywhere near kennedy site. and all television images were filmed off a black and white 14inch old school CRT television set at parkes.

>learn the math and science involved
i have and, no pun intended, it doesn't add up. it is literally impossible for what they claim. basic math and physics show this without question.

>I pity you. Through willful ignorance
i think it is ignorant to accept something with no proof. and you have provided opinion, not facts.

>i think it is ignorant to accept something with no proof. and you have provided opinion, not facts

Funny because this is exactly what your terrible post is.

Have you Ever heard of Pluto? The moons that he have are almost as big as he (by comparison)

>lots of effort in post
>no u

It was faked

>Yes, we went to the moon.

then show a single piece of evidence to support your claim. show me a SINGLE piece of evidence that can't be disproved easily. this constant trust_me_bro.jpeg bullshit you brainlet fucks spout constantly is getting tiresome. oh and sagan was a fucking dickhead. feynman > sagan and carl was ever so fucking pissed he wasn't adored as much as richard. throwing in a sagan to an argument is a true sign of a weak fuck that knows nothing but what PBS tells him. fucking brainlets.

Whats funny is the moon is the exact same fraction of the earth's size, as the ratio between its distance from earth to its distance from the sun.

Is that not some crazy coincidence?

>1000s of people worked on the manhattan project, not a soul knew until the 1st atomic weapon exploded at the trinity test site

George Koval (among others) is happy you believe this.

i win the argument then. you have zero proof, and zero intelligent counter arguments to make. now run the fuck along and fetch your shine box.

>Did we actually go to the moon?

Every bit of evidence available suggests that yes, we did.

>supposedly we don't have the technology to go back?

We do have the technology to go back, we just don't have a reason to. There's nothing worthwhile on the moon, and it costs a lot of fucking money to go there.

I Live in Italia. If i wanted to star in your country, i would fly there And stay. Not Cross your stupid wall

yes, soviet spies were inside manhattan project? this is widely known. nobody in japan knew and nobody in the american public/general public knew.

You win what argument? I'm not even the other poster. We've had no argument for you to win.

How long does it take to prove poor treatment in a mental ward?

stopped reading at writing left on rock. You read the beginners guide to conspiracy theories, I see.

>walking home thru shortcut
>sonic boom
>wtf
>week later
>same same
>bright light
>look up
>blue thingy
>trippy
>god eye?

I'm not even the person you're responding to. The argument he was having with the person who proved they actually have no vested interest in the subject

What do you mean by "Same fraction"?

>manhattan project,
In less than two years from founding reports (if exaggerated and slightly inaccurate) of its purpose and findings were in the press across the world. Two more years before trinity.

That's fine but he has won no argument with I. That's my point.

and i don't know if anyone mentioned the mirrors on the moon but russia put some there with unmanned missions so it doesn't take humans on the moon to put mirrors there.

the van allen belts are seven layers of million volt electricity. you can look at a graphic of where the space station is in relation to them; nowhere close. it's on our hip and the van allen belts are the edge of the car. there is no proof that life can pass through them. the seeds that started to grow on the moon sent by japan? i call that fake life like cancer. they got somewhat far but died hard soon. a big human MIGHT GET to the moon but die soon afterwards or even before. seeds /= human.

anyway, there IS a good "youtube video". it has stuff NONE of the others have and in particular focuses on the biggest fuckup that the "regular" media never shared. on the moon, there should be like no atmosphere. on earth there is atmosphere; we're practically underwater. in fact, we COULD breathe water but it would require our lungs to inhale and exhale so fast they'd be ripped to shreds. in actual atmosphere, dust flying off the back of wheels falls fast. on the moon, it should fly in a near perfect arc. the NASA moon landing films show the opposite. it was filmed in heavy atmosphere.

one of the later moon landing missions devolved into a fucking southern hick sounding "NASA" technician narrating the "rooster tails" that prove the fake dust like it's a fucking episode of "dukes of hazzard". they were working a dumb early 70s crowd. motherfuckers.

youtube.com/watch?v=Vvj8ACBU834

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>i know the math and physics make it impossible for what they claim.

Well now I know you're a liar.

Well if you weren't part of the conversation, duh. What a stupid thing to proclaim

>oh and sagan was a fucking dickhead. feynman > sagan and carl was ever so fucking pissed something ranty reeeeeeeeeee

Weird argument. Both were amazing educators. Odd that you're a Feynman admirer, and a conspiracy nut.

> exact same fraction of the earth's size

it's not "exact". The moon's orbit means it appears to change size in our night sky during the course of the year. How can that make it "exact"?

provide proof. or fuck off. i'd prefer proof.

He said it. Not me. Not sure what you're getting at.

The fraction of the size it is, is the same number as

Sorry sleepy.

>not a soul knew
>yes, soviet spies were inside manhattan project

So which was it?

feynman is a hero of mine. such a brilliant abilty to make a retard like me understand complex ideas. sagan was a dickhead who reveled in his smugness. fuck sagan.

Not the person you're talking to bro

You caught him exaggerating

Internet wins +1

>there is no proof that life can pass through them

Except that, ya know, we did it nine times (with people, and possibly inadvertently at least once with microbes - see Surveyor 3 & Apollo 12).

I assumed he means the civilian population of the entire fucking planet was completely unaware that a nuclear device was designed, built and detonated in the nevada desert so that's close enough for me. You, of course, are just being a pedantic cunt. Cunt.

Exaggerating or making shit up whole cloth?

Considering he also claimed math and physics don't work... I know which one im inclined to belive.

Do you think Feynman believed we didn't go to the moon?

youtube.com/watch?v=1GnO39_VJnw

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Easier for all involved if he would learn to communicate clearly and unambiguously.

Imagine being so retarded that you don't think rocketry can be done without computers

His math and physics are just fine. Known beam divergence at 380,000km ----> 7km wide beam on the lunar surface ----> 20km+ divergence back here on Earth. So yeah his math and physics are correct. Unless you have some magically new maths you're using, cunt?

i do not know, i never asked him, he was dead long before i was born.

kids these days have no appreciation for tech back in those days.

Can you specifically explain why 4K wasn't enough?

You do realise that in order to get to the Moon and back, all you need it an understanding or orbital mechanics, a fuck load of fuel and a button that says "push to ignite".

*raises american hand*

That covers lasers, and is tangental to the conversation at large.
Its not rocketry, orbital physics, nor is it that retarded anti-life force feild nonsense that's getting spewed about. Which we have thousands of unmanned missions built on the same math and physical principles as the manned ones with smaller, less squishy non-man shaped payloads.

NASA means 'to deceave' in juden
thats all u need 2 know

Moon landing hoax related:

badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2005/06/27/moon-hoax-originator-has-died/

and sega means masturbate in Italian and pies means dog in Polish. What is your fucking point?

/pol/?
troll?
russian bot?
no one cares, not even funny, bye bye

>I'm an astrophotographer
No, you're a cock. It's to do with dynamic range.

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ur mom cared
when i SENt her to the mOON

that wasn't wind you fucking retard. That was the guy's left hand moving the flag.

Yeah but taking a photo of the moon (or on the moon during daylight conditions) means you need a fast shutter speed. Fast shutter speeds do not allow starlight to be captured. For star light to be captured you need a longer exposure but this would mean that everything else in the image will be washed out and over exposed.

>is tangental to the conversation at large
Laser reflectors on the moon were claimed as proof we went to the Moon. Clearly the math and physics make that claim utter nonsense so it's not tangential at all.
>rockety
hasn't advanced much more than the 1940s.
>orbital physics
*Orbital Mechanics aka Newtonian Physics.
>Which we have thousands of unmanned missions
Unmanned is completely irrelevant to manned missions. It's why we have Rovers on Mars and not men. The entire Apollo missions lasted 3 years. 100s of billions of dollars spent in 3 years. We have no original footage. We have nothing to show for it. We magically lost all the data of how we did it back in 1969. And the soonest estimate of sending a manned mission to the Moon? 2031. 62 years after we put Apollo 11 on the Moon. Come on now.

They should have just used their cellphone camera

listen
if we went to the moon how come we didn't put a camera on it so we could take wide angle shots of the earth?
even to this day we have no pictures of earth that aren't stitched up artificial amalgamations of multiple pictures + data filling in the blanks
it would be an obvious thing to do and very useful for many things to have a camera on the moon... why we never did this?
speaks volumes

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>so we could take wide angle shots of the earth

What the fuck does that mean? Do you know what wide-angled and focal length are?

You need a high focal length lens to take close up photos of the Earth from the surface of the Moon, not a fucking wide-angle lens.

>it would be an obvious thing to do and very useful for many things to have a camera on the moon

so who is going to maintain the equipment? Who is going to reset it or go and fix the boards when they fry in the heat? Are the going to send a fucking ADT tech guy?

You are a fucking idiot if you think a camera can be kept on the moon 24/7 without it needing servicing.

>Ignored
Lol

Le ebin false flag XD totally just as good as actual evidence for your conspiracy theory!

sorry
I just mean an ability to take complete pictures of the earth, easily
the moon is also tidally locked so it would also be facing perfectly at earth if setup right
in regards to your other questions if its a high quality camera in protective layers and perhaps on a high stand it could theoretically remain stable and usable for awhile without issues not withstanding unusual bad luck

Stfu idiot loser.

Hahahahaahahaha what a fucking idiot

>Laser reflector math isnt tangental
all that proved is that its irrelevant if there is or isnt a reflector cause the moon is reflective. which was known and isnt exactly 100% accurate anyway. else we wouldn't have used unmanned missions to put more up there, and wouldn't use them to make extraordinary precise measurements of the moons orbit.

As for progress in fields after initiation, its typically refinement of the principles more than anything. Cars, planes, and telecommunications haven't changed much in 100 years either.

Unmanned missions are only different because of payload. The extra gear to keep a human alive and mission relevant is big and heavy. Which means needlessly expensive.

We have more than enough to show for it all, and still no reason to piss away the kind of effort it would take to do it again.

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"We" haha you're nobody you fucking loser. Its them and it's you. Nobody.

>To get views
this. some people are so desperate to get some attention they murder poeple on camera, lying doesn't seem that unlikely.

Yes its just expensive and the enthusiasm to go to the moon again is low

Said everybody. Stay inside your box you fat sheepfucker.

the people ON the moon took photos of the moon tho. Blue Marble is the most famous.
Pic Related is Earth rising taken by Apollo 11

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Incidentally, this was taken from lunar orbit. So technically not "on" the moon. But close enough that landing was a formality at that point. If we can get people a few miles above the surface of the moon, its not much of a jump to accept we can get them onto the surface itself.

Hahahah moon from earth looks so small. And earth from moon should look about 4x times bigger. Your brainwashed you fat dog.

Dude, everything you said is wrong. I don't know shit about this stuff, and all I had to do was google it. Those big ass observatories on the ground calibrate stuff using the laser reflectors on the moon, and there are cool pictures of them shooting big lasers into the sky. the Apollo missions went from October 1968 to December 1972 (four yesrs), plus the Sky Lab stuff in 1973, and the Apollo Soyuz link up in 1975. I bet thos 1940 Nazis would like some 2019 missiles.And didn't Einstien physics replace Newton physics?

lmgtfy
apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap181224.html

We already have such cameras in orbit. What about the DISCOVR craft?

The moon may be tidally locked but there is a great deal of libration. Go look for a lunar libration gif on google and you'll see what I mean. The disc of the moon would gradually move in and out of frame of a high focal length lens.

> if its a high quality camera....

With regards this point. It's moot...It's just "what ifs". A camera may last years on the moon or it may not. I'm certain a camera from the early 70s would not be working now.

>Did we actually go to the moon?
There's a set of retroreflectors on the moon that we use to measure its exact distance by bouncing lasers off of them.
These reflectors were put on the moon by the astronauts who visited it.

You can go to any observatory with a laser rangefinder and see it for yourself.
I don't know what else to tell you dude.

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You realize that the apparent size of an object in a photo is a function of the lense and film geometry, no?

>what is cropping or focal length.

Do you not understand the basics of photography?

you lie, Russia put them there

>Dude, everything you said is wrong.
That's wrong.
> Those big ass observatories on the ground calibrate stuff using the laser reflectors on the moon, and there are cool pictures of them shooting big lasers into the sky.
No. They don't use laser reflectors or any such nonsense. Due to divergence of the laser light they fire 3 lasers at the moon and average out the times to work out the distance. So, wrong again.
> the Apollo missions went from October 1968 to December 1972 (four yesrs)
We are talking about men on the Moon. That's Apollo 11 in 1969. 1969 - 1972 = 3 years. Wrong... again.
>plus the Sky Lab stuff in 1973, and the Apollo Soyuz link up in 1975.
Neither Sky Lab or Soyuz went t the Moon. So wrong. Again.
>I bet thos 1940 Nazis would like some 2019 missiles.
They use the same ballistic equations we use today for firing rockets into space. Wrong again.
>And didn't Einstien physics replace Newton physics?
No. Wrong.

God damn you're dumber than a flat earther.

I hate Russia (rather, their leaders and their military), but admire what their space program has accomplished with so little to work with. Hope they can afford to keep flying once we no longer need them to get people to orbit.

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If you think so ok
No need to be so aggressive pal

You really think Putin would be willing to pretend Russia never made it to the moon?

listen
the moon is the moon
did we go there?
maybe.
believe what you want to believe

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Show me any original photo from space then losers.

>losers

kek. There are plenty of original photos of the Earth taken during the apollo era. Of course, you will just claim FAKE.

> We have no original footage
We do have original still filmstock though, as the cameras that were taken there were chemical film cameras. They came back in the capsules. Most of them have been digitized and made public.
The motion stuff was exclusively, or almost exclusively, TV type cameras so there's not a lot of "footage" to come back with.

> rocketry hasn't advanced much more than the 1940s
Oh come now. The basics are the same but a modern rocket engine and materials used would make a nazi engineer drool. Just like a modern sports car would fascinate the original volkwagen engineers, whilst being somewhat familiar.

I already posted one taken of earth from lunar orbit.
It is, of course, digitized from an original. Given we're on a web site, it's a bit hard to provide the physical object.

Excuses like always. It's 2019, give me evidence, loser.

>The entire Apollo missions lasted 3 years.
Your words. you got called on your mistake & now you're moving the goalposts.
>>rocketry
>hasn't advanced much more than the 1940s.
You said rocketry, not ballistic equations.
ground observatories and reflectors - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment and a zillion other links

Looking back at your other posts, you're a moron. And you keep trying to change what you said after everyone else points out your mistakes. At least admit when your wrong, oh wait, you're a moon hoax tard.

"Apollo era". Well guess what it's 2019. Where are the UHD pictures, loser.

I bet you think the earth is flat/

fucking kek.

You didn't ask for a 2019 picture you fucking retard.

fucking hell, you're stupid.

I asked for a evidence and you're being a bitch without evidence. Fat loser confirmed.

Again no response. Go fuck dogs, loser.

> give me evidence
Sure, I'll just pop it in my transporter and beam it over
Jesus

There's some stuff about the original filmstock at apollo.sese.asu.edu/ABOUT_SCANS/index.html
if you're actually interested though.

flattards can't take evidence. It's hilarious watching you fucking crayon munchers.

You didn't provide evidence, loser.