Why can't pro-lifers define a person?

Why can't pro-lifers define a person?

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go back to /pol/

They do and you end up deleting the thread like a bitch. I've seen it every fucking day.

A fetus is technically a parasitic organ until it pops out

Is masturbation murder?

Masturbation is technically millions of times worse than abortion lol.
Every fap is like 3 holocausts kek

What is being conceived at conception?

If you have the DNA as an individual human being then you should be treated with the respect of an individual human being.

OP might have one too many chromosomes though

There are thousands of sperm all up against that egg, so god chooses one and murders the rest?

Why do we get to arbitrarily pick lines in a pregnancy when crossed suddenly vacuuming out that vermin becomes not okay and outright ignore the first one once that jizz and eggs meet? Why do pro-choicers believe they have the right to pick and choose when a fetus becomes a baby and real individual life?

True. If two down syndrome people have kids and one of the kids is missing another chromosome in addition to the parents then what is it called? Is it possible? Can the kids come out with the missing chromo of there parents to be present?

Who's God? I think its just the survival of the fittest in this case. Thats just life man.

Potato + potato = potatatoto

How different does DNA have to be different to be considered a different and not human. Would it matter? Is there a law against dogbortions? Why does DNA and individuality even matter? Does it matter?

I love it.

so what you do is post a pic of a fetus and the pro-life people show up and get all pro-lifey about it and then you tell them it's an elephant fetus and they go away. they cannot tell the difference between an elephant and a human so we don't take them seriously.

so all pro-lifers are vegans then? I did not know that.

Homo sapiens has 46 chromosomes.

Defining a person isn't the issue. Defining personhood is. I would argue that you don't develop any kind of the personality that defines you as a person until you are loved and have the capacity for individual behavior. Not common in those under at least a year and a half. I think that nazis would probably agree with me though. Come at me /pol/tards.

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Depoliticise abortion

Agreed

No, re read the begining. Sperm will nevwr be anything but sperm. Likewise, an egg will be nothing but an egg. Combining the two causes the creation of the process to create human life. Stopping said process at any point is killing it.

A sperm can and never will be a human being until an egg is introduced. Even if one was to try and see sperm or an egg as a human, a human in the process of being matured enough to be birthed has far more worth and should be protected compared to a dormant human that is incomplete and will stay in that state untill their second half is formed with them.

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Is this a bloodborne reference?

I never thought that Yea Forums of all places would be full of a bunch of pro-life faggots. What happened to you guys?

Protection. Protection. Protection. Though im a hypocrite. Fucked a Girl on the pill without my own protection. She miscarried a few weeks in. Was all sad. Broke up with her since. Wonder if she wants to kill herself

I’m not pro life or pro choice, I’m pro abortion.
Kill those fuckers before they have the chance to make more fucking humans.

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I'm pro choice but I beleive life starts at conception. I just dont give a fuck if mothers murder their kids. Vice versa too. Love Anarchy.

Hell yeh brother

So much edge

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They're retards. An infant isn't a person either. Even grownup animals like cows and pigs are more intelligent than a baby. I don't understand why they moralfag so much regarding this.

Then with that logic it should be illegal to take somebody off of life support.

Yes, yes it is.

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Shouldn’t be lol.
If i need to charge my fucking phone, I’ll charge it

It is. Thats why they have to have someone relating to them to agree to do it. These are special circumstances though, ones where they know the person wont recover. Likewise, if one is able to detect issues with the baby, like severe brain damage or other severe issues, then abortion could be a generous cause.

I'm pro abortion, abortions should be fucking mandatory for all poor people. On welfare: mandatory abortions up to the 9th trimester!

I think the reason why conservatives are anti abortion is because they want the kids to suffer before they die

its funny that Yea Forumstards turn into such caremad faggots when it comes to conservative politics

don't you dare pretend you come to this site and give a shit about someone else's kids or whatever

take that gay shit back to bible study you faggots

No, that is not what a parasite is you fucking eggplant. Please learn to biology.

but what if its a jewish baby?

I don't even understand the point of this thread

How is it not?

No that is stupid. If you keep my organs working but my brain is not functioning, I am not alive.

A fetus absorbs nutrients from the mother. Until it is born it is just a parasitic organ.

A mother can decide to remove a tick, with medical science she can decide to remove a fetus. The fetus can do whatever it likes after that.

Parasites are organisms that have a negative impact on the fitness of the individual they are interacting with. Seeing as how fetuses are the offspring they in fact increase fitness.

>insects and people are the same

But niggers are parasites right? They def have a negative impact on everyone.

So we're aborting all the niggers?

I'm glad we could finally all come to agreement :)

ALL HAIL THE HIVEMIND!

Can you be up this late on a school night?

>what are the chinese

I get my education on Yea Forums, no need to go to class.

Also, this is Yea Forums.... If you think you can come here and NOT advocate aborting niggers then maybe you need more Yea Forums education.

But I do agree we shouldn't be killing white babies, that's just helping niggers and sand niggers take over.

Because it's a social construct.

Literally every single biologist disagrees with you.

Imagine being a big enough retarded teenager that you think surfing Yea Forums in the past two years means you're cool.

Until your organs shut down and start decomposing, you are still alive. You are not conscious, and you may be dependent on a machine to be alive, but you are alive nonetheless.

Your body will keep doing its job if plugged up. So no, you are not dead. Brain dead just means your brain isnt functioning anymore, but your body still can. You are not dead, but will be without support.

Well that's good to know. All we have to do is preserve my finger and I will be alive forever!

Why can't pro-choicers define a gender?

You mean popotatatoto*

Around 8-10 weeks.

They don't increase fitness. Offspring =/= health.

Thats your opinion and the reason it is a choice.

They don't need to question what is between their legs to function

>9th trimester
You mean 9th grade.
I agree.

A fetus is a parasitic growth. Subjective opinion doesn't disprove a physical detriment to health that stops with organism removal.

Oh my god, please learn biology. Fitness has a very specific meaning in the context of evolution and natural selection.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_(biology)

Nobody argues if a fetus is alive user. The question is when it becomes a person.

The problem being that it's a vague question. So humans being humans year something easily observable (a breathing heart) to define it.

I do not care what people define it as. Just doing is just some arbitrary objective fact that will be used to define it

Biology has really been failing the newest generations.

Its bodily functions cease. You stop full decomposition through perservation, but without blood pumping through it, and basic bodily function that normally occur at the finger occuring, it is dead flesh. All of it. You just cured it a bit, made some jerky.

Right, and if we just keep pumping blood through it satisfying its metabolic needs then I could be functionally immortal after I die.

Or hey, if I die and my organ gets transplanted into another individual it's like I'm not dead at all, despite the decomposition on the rest of me.

So there is no debate. A fetus can't have more rights than the host keeping it alive.

Drinking water makes you healthy. Investing in a desalination plant does not directly affect your health. It's very simple. You're making a subjective assumption

odds are a kid will be a normie
just stop it befor it is to late

>omg biology retard cuck incel

Exactly.

Only trolls have so much free time these days and have adequately bamboozled u

Numerous argue and say it isnt alive. There are some in this very thread.

But beyond that, gauging when it is a person or not should probo not be a consideration. Thats an incredible gray area. You only really have sentience around 2 or 3. One isnt a fully developed person until they are in their later 20's early 30's. Basic brain function occur in the womb, but babies cant even speak till a couple years after birth.

Judging solely on life is a far better judgment then "when it becomes a person", because the line can be drawn from so many points in development, even post birth, at that point.

Can you define what fitness is in the context of natural selection? Do you know what genes are? Do you know what the purpose of reproduction is?

you are not pro-life if you eat meat. suck a log of shit faggots.

I am not debating about the rights of the fetus vs. the rights of the mother. I am talking about the fact that a fetus is not a parasite and pro-choicers should not be using biological terms incorrectly to make their point.

Please, learn what the fuck you are talking about. It makes your points stronger when you don't come off as an idiot.

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I will acknowledge that you have said something, but whatever point you are trying to make is absolutely unclear.

Off-topic. Circle back and engage the point.

Yes, a fetus is alive. People who argue otherwise are idiots.

But does a person have to provide their body for another individual to live? Think of all of the circumstances where a fetus is gestating in before answering.

Your definition of life is arbitrary and influenced by factors you don't realize are either from religious bias or misunderstanding of biology.

>No brain
>No heart
>Life
Try again.

It's not off-topic. I engaged you on the point of whether or not a fetus is a parasite. It is isn't because it increases biological fitness. Would you like to acknowledge that you were wrong?

All I know is that Texas wants a death penalty for abortion and I literally want to abort Texas from the United States. How can a state be so fucking backwards on everything and still be considered one of the best, in an era where being a backwards redneck is embarrassing and ruins credibility.

Does this factor in if one is a host and one is a parasite that cannot survive without support from the host?

I am pro-choice but fetuses are absolutely alive. Do you think that bacteria or plants aren't alive since they don't have a heart or a brain?

as soon as you exit a vagina without being killed by your mother or a (((doctor))) you are then considered to be alive.

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Cant pump it forever. DNA will still cause you to age. You will die from your own genes.

Um, but yes. If organs donated still live on past your death, then bits of you technically are still alive, though a majority of you is still 6 feet under rotting. Until tissue is replaced by the new recipients own, if it can occur within said organ. I dont know how to fullly respond to this point because what you said is true. Your tissue is still living, only through another body. A majority of you is dead, not all of it.

Either way, these are special cases. Cases that far detract from the original topic.

A person has to do that until we get test tube babies main stream. Thats how pregnancy works

If there are exceptions to your rule then your axiom is false.

A number of pro choicers only do this as a summarized way of combating fanaticized pro lifers who make wild comparisons and equivalencies to argue their view.

Choice is safer and proper in giving individuals responsibility to research and make choices. There is no reason to force regulations over a persons body. No need.

The biological term isn't incorrect. Its crude but accurate. If pro lifers weren't so ingrained in arguing their opinion you would find more passionate opinions but you won't as long as one person out there wants to use this issue just yo light people up.

>haha dumb dumb insult

Act less like a troll does and you won't get half ass effort

Jelly fish are not alive with that retard non logic. Bacteria are not alive with that retard non logic.

Just setting the facts straight. Sorry it upsets you

All these pro-lifers couldn't give half a shit about living breathing children that inhabit this horrid planet in perpetual poverty, pain, or worse. Quit trying to virtue-signal people and actually practice what you preach. Preserve life, protect children, do something other than argue/bait on the internet.

Every day scientists give a middle finger to aging. It won't be a problem in the future. Scientists have already solved problems thought unsolvable.

we can. the first stage of life is conception. when the persons dna is created, you cannot interfere with the dna's ability to exist, otherwise its murder.

Should a person have to do that?

Isn't that just a parasite giving birth to a parasite?

>as soon as you're alive in the same way others are alive you are the same as others who are alive

But its too simple and easy to remember.

Jellyfish are a live, but a Turtle can eat one and as it's chasing it, taking bites out, the Jellyfish assumes it's primary function of eating and just generally moving, totally unaware of what's going on and it can feel nothing.

This happens to be true

The biological term is incorrect and is not accurate. Please learn biology, or avoid terms that you don't understand.

This thread degenerated as fast as any of your kids surely will, and for me, that's more than enough of an argument to abort children.

This is tautological. The person's DNA was already existing, just in the sperm and the egg, so are sperm and egg half people?

Then most pro choice reasonings for being pro abortion are also false. One being that a fetus is not alive because it is dependent on another to live and that it is just a mass of cells. Even post birth, if the baby does not have help, it will die.

Exception exist in everything. The cases I said dont though. I explicitly said, yes, bits of you are still alive. Not all of you is alive, but bits are. Your tissue is being oxygenated. Blood flows through it. But it is of another host.

>they think picking random details and asserting them like 38 genders being real is the same thing as facts or reason

At least the problem is obvious

So the question is, can a parasite be a parasite to a parasite?

Its not

No you.

A virus fits the no heart, no brain description too, just like bacteria.
And guess what? Viruses are actually not alive.

Gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Are you suggesting we combat jews with some sort of hyper jew?

It might work but imagine it is even harder to deactivate than a standard jew and would burn everything

So yet no point was made
Okay, if you get a immortal finger and have it hooked up so that just your finger is being sustained. Then yes, that immortal finger will not die. It wont be of any use since it cant contribute to society, will never be anything but a finger, and cannot function without an outside source (brain or machine). But it will be living tissue

That would turn into an eventual loop, to destroy the hyper jew we would have to create a hyper hyper Jew and so on forth.

Go to bed. Your literally typing stupid nonsense that wastes time.

Have we failed as a society?

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Is the Ship of Theseus still the same ship if you replace all of the wood that makes it up?

No u

Where would it end... think of the children

We? No. They.

It is best to give options to cover evebtualities and focus on education.

Safer sex vs. prohibition case in point

So you are suggesting that bacteria and plants are in fact, not living things?

And on a side note, whether or not viruses are alive is actually under debate in the field of biology.

The best way to combat the Jew would be the create some sort of disease that only targets the Jewish race.

South Africa tried to do this but for niggers
theglobeandmail.com/news/world/worldview/dr-death-hearing-stirs-up-painful-apartheid-memories-in-south-africa/article4096722/

Virus are considered that because they cannot self replicate or reproduce by themselves.

I do hate this because they do react to stimulation and such. They fit the descriprion of most living things. They just cannot reproduce by themselves. I think its such a shitty description to be "living" that it declassifies an object who by all accounts acts alive, but just cant fuck to reproduce so it isnt alive.

Just my take on it, but whatever i guess. Your one point still wont defend the vast majority of other points that coincide with what the other dude said

Not we, but American Politics and capitalism have failed US.

Political policy no longer reflects public opinion, it's all about giving tax breaks to corporate goons and turn a blind eye to shit like human rights and employee violations in exchange for something as meaningless and stupid as one time access to a fancy restaurant.

good thread

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But race would have to be real. Is this why the jew is so focused on eliminating diversity that doesn't exist?

Some biologists think that definition of life is unnecessarily restrictive and would in fact consider viruses alive.

we wont have any poor people to work at the grocery store and bag my goods

not if the dad's jewish and has knocked up some lady

and don't you give me that shit about "youre only jewish if your moms jewish"

Pretty accurate. I think the types of decisions trying to be shoehorned into popular opinion only reflect these continued goals

>So you are suggesting that bacteria and plants are in fact, not living things?
No, I'm saying that viruses are not alive but fit the same description as bacteria and plants, yet bacteria and plants are actually alive.

I thought their magic book prohibits that

not human til you cut it off imo

Those knuckle dragging retards should actually practice safe sex then. Even if you told them everything, there is a good chance they would still fuck with no rubber, pill, or anything. Retards will be retards. But just having a back out option like that because people wanted to do irresponsible things that have huge life changing reprocussions?

Thats a hard one to decide the right outcome for. Again, they are retards, if they took care of the baby (they wont) it would be fucked. It would not contribute to society. But should a baby die by a few people's inability to practice safe sex and not wanting to be responsible?

>anything can be made to seem like it fits a definition if you argue enough

Enter pro lifers

judaism was built on rules lawyering God, their magic book doesn't mean anything when a rabbi can say "well actually...."

You have to understand that the Jew only does things for himself and his race, just like a parasite if you will.

What other system would you suggest to replace capitalism?

not entirely true, the tribes of israel have always fought with one another it just so happens that the tribe of judah is the only one left

Saudi Arabia executed 36 men for political dissent. They call it terrorism but literally no one but a Saudi believes them and even a lot of Saudi's at least question the acts. So why the hell do they still have a seat? Why haven't we booted them from the UN? They are committing acts that the UN JUST condemned but who gives a shit, like really, condemning someone doesn't do anything if you are too chicken shit or corrupt to act.

Viruses behave like self-replicating machines as described by Von Neumann.
Suggesting that a virus is alive would open up the possibility that machines are alive too in some way.

The comment I was replying to said "No heart, No brain, Life" sarcastically. I was pointing out that was a silly line of reasoning.

Yes, our distinctions of life are arbitrary, but no one in their right mind should insist that you need a heart and a brain for something to be alive.

Market socialism.

>no one in their right mind should insist that you need a heart and a brain for something to be alive
I couldn't agree more...

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Until they decide to have it, it isn't a baby. Just a 23rd chance at preventing conception. Another opportunity to prevent a bad decision. You said it yourself, knuckle draggers.

They should have every opportunity not to add more knuckle draggers to societies teat.

You aren't killing anything until it is a seperate living entity. It isn't seperate. Has no social security number. CPS can't take a child that doesn't yet exist neither can you kill one.

Why this particular system?

>they even jew their own rules

What Godless parasites

Okay, so- parasites live off of another organism without really helping the host out in any way. if they did, they'd be symbiotes. Considering fetuses are completely dependant on the host [mother] and generally depelte the mothers body of nutrients, tanks their metabolism, and on top of that, they can kill the mother.
How are fetuses not parasites. In what way does a fetus help a mother while in the womb?
Can you prove they arent parasites? bet you can't zoomer.

Not even sure if he is made of human cells. More likely just bits of play-doh and pipe cleaners.

This seems biologically accurate

Politics still separates the Jews somewhat, but not enough to completely stop them from supporting each other. Leftist Jews are quite critical of Israel.

They should probo just have a rule about machines not being alive versus a natrually occuring entity that acts like a living thing but because of arbitrary definitions is not considered alive solely because it cannot reproduce by itself.

Here i got it "if its a computer, it isnt alive"

Can you define for me what biological fitness is?

One where companies aren't allowed to lobby away employee safety violations seriously WHAT?! Also I want to live in a country where the president isn't allowed to dump illegal immigrants with records of violence into sanctuary cities as a political move that would also potentially kill innocent people and not even the people he intended.

Are there self hating jews?

ayyy

If you really wanna know the reason behind this, you need to understand the teachings of Christ, specifically his teachings against bankers and usury

you'll notice that the islamic countries that followed anti-usury laws have been taken over by the US and basically the only one left is Iran

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking_and_finance
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Christians also once upon a time followed Christ in his prohibition of Usury but that's basically fallen out of favor since the Middle Ages.

However Christian Lords have always used a jewish middle man to sidestep Christ's prohibition of Usury:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_Jew

In the modern era finance has taken over everything, and based on ancient history it's probably not the first time:

nakedcapitalism.com/2018/11/145003.html (Economist Michael Hudson wrote about compound interest and the ancient world in his groundbreaking work "And forgive them their debts")

this compound interest creates the need for endless growth that's built into the economic system we call "capitalism" but its really thousands of years older than the system we call "new" and "innovative"

If you want to know more, "And forgive them their debts" is the chief work on Compound Interest and Usury

Everyone likes markets, especially supermarkets, because they're good socializing places.

>no I can't

Because even on Yea Forums, people still think Democrats, Republicans, and Socialists are the only political parties in the world.

Lol no

the thing is, we in the west are more like jews than the Assyrians, Babylonians and Egyptian old kingdoms were.

Read "And forgive them their debts" by Michael Hudson to learn more.

pic related

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That scenerio just really sucks. Because the baby is fucked if its born. They wont take care of it, but going to a foster care might not be much better. And being killed just..just sucks. Hate that people are so selfish that they wont be safe about sex.

>Here i got it "if its a computer, it isnt alive"
I think maybe you mean if it's man made, as just saying computers could still be used to define them as alive.

The west has become Jewish kingdoms through Jewish influence, now bow down to your Jewish overlords goyim.

Off topic - Reproduction is something every living organism does. A fetus isnt sentient, it is not aware yet [arguably not so in the third trimester]. A fetus cant survive outside of the host [mother] A person has not sucessfully reproduced until birth has occured - as there are many things that happen before birth that cause miscarriage.
You can cling to your terms all you want man. Sure the mother is fit from a biological standpoint, but in WHAT way does that make a fetus not a parasite- it is, by definition one. go google the definition of a parasite fast. fucking mong.

and yes- even elementary school kids can google... so asking that on 4chin?
>kek

The country was built for it, of course we are. Will do, thanks.

what about someone who can support a healthy baby but the baby is born with a defect that makes it expensive to treat?

should we just let this baby suffer, and blame the parent even though they could have never predicted such an event?

I mean imagine this, you've got a great job, $150,000 a year, but the doctors botch the birth and your kid comes out fucked up THROUGH NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN and costs you $145,000 a year. you have only $5000 to live on the whole year. if you let your kid die, you'll probably go to jail for neglect.

you can't even get any money from the doctors because in your state they outlaw Tort so you can only get like $500

what do you recommend there

They've already been aborted by God, so it doesn't really matter, now does it?

Well, that still has its grey areas as bio enginering stuff progresses. Some glowing fish are man made. They would have never existed if man did not intervene. They would not exist by that definition

>expensive
Work harder, lazy bitch.

Cops hold your life in their hands. If you don't film the situation a crooked cop could fuck your day or you up. Even if you are filming, the officer usually isn't very keen on the law or their job and often times attempt to arrest people over non-arrestable offenses or claim they don't have to give their name or badge number, the captain will usually show up and say the dude is free to go. Why are cops allowed to do this anyways, why can they shoot dogs for no (real) reason, why can they shoot unarmed white dudes and, make claims about marijuana that are scientifically false, and not get called out?

If you want it unhumane to kill a fetus/cells/whathaveyou then you have to guarantee a humane alternative. We can't. People are wild and the best thing you can offer is safe option to what people will in eventuality attemtp to accomplish themselves in spite of rule or regulation

Easy to define a person.
All life has DNA. Therefore, once DNA has been made, life is created.
Therefore, at contraception, when the first cell is made by ova and sperm, when they create a zygote, you have life.

This includes all bacterium, animals, plants, and other families in the tree of life, as life. It excludes viruses.

Therefore, when you destroy a baby in the womb, you ARE destroying life.

>what about a scenario I came up with

You could do this all day

that's absurd, name a job besides celebrity, politician or dot com billionaire that pays more than $150,000 a year

>easy to state my opinion

True that

I hope the next time you are in a hospital it's for trauma and I hope you get sent to an out of network hospital or treated by an out of network doctor who charges you $30,000 for ibuprofen and an IV drip.

If an adult human were getting a transfusion which they needed in order to live, and in the middle of that transfusion, the donor decided they actually wanted to keep their blood, the donor would be completely within their rights to end the procedure, even if this meant the other person would die.

Personhood is irrelevant in the abortion debate.

Because the people that investigate cops are cops

/thread

They just want another chaotic senseless change

Well, glow fish are not man made, mire like man altered the preexisting genetic code of the fish by introducing foreign preexisting genetic code from other species.
In a way, it's a form of "forced evolution", which by the way leads to another interesting point:
Something that all living things have in common is their ability to evolve.

See here's the thing, my parents had this problem, my dad was the #1 engineer at multiple companies including Apple and Micron computers. My brother was born before they could test for his disorder and they were essentially forced to beggar themselves to just keep us from becoming homeless. My father whom I love and respect has worked 16 hour days 7 days a week since the 1980s to give me the meager live I enjoy today.

Today I work three jobs, around 60 hours a week because we couldn't afford college. I used to have a good IT job but the 2009 economic collapse took that away from me too

I didn't make up this scenario I lived it

>What about when...
Well, murder is murder. If you can't care for your kid because of a birth defect, then
>foster

No, it is not, by definition. That's my entire fucking point. Humanity has evolved to grow this way to increase its fitness. Just stick to arguments that don't use loaded terms like that because people can nitpick it to death like I am.

I said a few posts back that cases like severe deformities and birth defects, a case could be made where abortion would be a generous cause.

You could no doubt sue the doctor , but thats just a shit scenerio to be in. A incredibly rare case should not uphold abortions because that gives anybody and everybody a chance to do it with no reprocussions. Abortion should only exist for deformities and birth defects. Cases of not being able to take care of the kid, well, foster homes exist. It will still be bad for the kid, but it will be far better than living with the parents. Abortion tends to be a no responsabilities back door, but it should not be.

Sadly, youtuber.
I have free healthcare, but thanks for the good wishes, fellow human being.

When a cop shoots and kills a dog, ESPECIALLY if he didn't have a good reason to as is a lot of cases these days, how does the family of said officer treat him do you think? Or perhaps his kids, don't you think they would not let it go and remind him of it constantly? Personally as his child I would give him the nick name dog killer and call him it every day.

Life:
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
By that fucking logic the DAta we store IN DNA strands is life.
Work on your logic mate.

For the same reason they won't accept whatever a pro choice persons definition is.

Its just their opinion. Not based in sense or reason but how they think things should work and how they think people should act.

You can't predict or control people. Safe available options are better than what people will attempt on their own and the potential consequences

>trust me

Y'okay

By this logic, jerking it or having a period isn't murder. The RNA contained within those haploid cells do not become DNA. It is not a person as much as a virus is a person.

>Opinion
It is fact from a logical argument given from the premise that all living things contain DNA.

All living things have DNA
A zygote and all other iterations of it have DNA
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A zygote and all other iterations are alive

A zygote and all other iterations cannot live without a womb
Abortion destroys a zygote and all other iterations
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Therefore, abortion is destruction of life. (Also known as murder)

who is going to take in such an expensive foster child??

billionaires only adopt african babies so they can look like they're good people

my parents knew that only they could give my brother the best life, and anything less was cowardice

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Which begs the question:
>is a slave a slave even if he doesn't know that he's a slave?

But what seems to piss off Americans these days is corruption, who is a part of the swamp and how do we drain it. Trump said someone else is the swamp it doesn't matter he's wrong and a retard anyways because he's the swamp, but Americans are more focused on law corruption and the very fact that the law observes the law and usually finds no wrong doing in wrongful death cases. Politicians need to listen up, it still is the American people who vote them in and during mid terms those who pull stupid political stunts never get voted back in.

i guess we're at an impasse, because there's no way im going to dox my dead brother and my poor family

you believe what you want to, and let God judge us for our sins

This will sound incredibly bad. But if it comes to it, its honeslty fine. If they try methods that horribly back fire on them? Good. They are doing dumb shit and not being responisble for it. Foster cares will accept the kid. If they wanna chemical burn the baby out or whatever, and it seriously hurts them? Then thats fine. Removed from the gene pool. Odds are they are not people who would contribute to society if they would put fucking above a human life

Exactly, parasites doesn't help the host in any way. But the fetus holds mother's and father's genes even when they die and pass them further, that is its help basically. Honestly, it's the only real help from the biological standpoint.

Cops are big indoctrinated pussies nowadays who don't have the capacity to make decisions that have been taken from them.

They can't decide in favor of human error with everything they do reviewed, so they lose the capacity.

Doctors aren't required to know CPR because of assumed AED availability, so they don't learn it. Internet MD sites have the same effect

The data we store in our dna IS life.
Have you ever worked with computer programs? Do you know the difference between data and program? Nothing. Data is a program just as much as a program is data. Eventually, it is all transferred into 0s and 1s and read on your instruction address register.

I believe the same is with life, and the whole study of bioinformatics is that case, exactly. You body reads your DNA constantly, conducting specific operations on each section read.

>cars are painted red, all red things are cars

Lol

>parasites doesn't help the host in any way.
So.... illegal immigrants picking tomatoes (helping the host nation) but leeching off welfare are not parasites then.

I guess that would need to bring in more redefinitions. Because even still, a forced evolution would be a man made one. It would have never occured natrually without man's influence. Like wise, a statue would have never been made in nature, because its just forced erosion by man.

Americans aren't focused on anything. Everything seen from the outside is the result of a beat down working class turning an exhausted eye

No God.

I'm not a slave because I can call the president terrible at his job and not get murdered or sent to a labor camp. I also haven't been rounded up by the police in a random act of kidnapping and forced to perform 1 year of mortal gladiator style games for being gay.

you sound like an sjw faggot imo

Name ONE example of a non-living object that is only composed of amino acids.

Pro-tip: you cannot. The cell is defined as the smallest unit of life, SCIENTIFICALLY. That's the whole purpose of cell theory. Cells require DNA to operate. If there is no DNA in a cell, it does not function. None of the organelles operate. It is dead.

Yeah this is a first world society. That kind of wreck it ralph thinking isn't realistic.

Being against the same results in a streamlined safe manner makes no sense

>so because X also Y right??

Here we go

dude fam you do you whatever bro

Secondly, I used material equivalence.

All living things have DNA implies DNA is contained in living things
DNA is contained and used within implies the container is a living thing

Naw don't need to be a SJW to realize God is a lie.

Pro choice is better than expecting people to be more responsible after you take responsibility away

Options and education are better than prohibition always

However, even the man forced glowing fish will reproduce, and over time each generation of fish will still mutate slightly to adapt to changes in its environment, thus evolving naturally afterwards. Meaning that even if it started artificially, subsequent mutations/evolution does occur on its own.
>inb4, this implies that under certain circumstances, computers could be considered to be alive as they evolve, or develop the ability to evolve
About the statue:
>erosion is not evolution

Bottom of the barrels willing to do life threatening things to them so they can be irresponsible should force us to find safe alternatives so they can keep being irresponsible.

I know it isnt justified how I feel about it, but goddamnit they would just be back next month to get another baby out. They dont care about any life but their own. Its horrendously selfish.

Murder is a legal definition.

Destruction of life is not intrinsically murder.

No i mean we've stored text in DNA that can be read back.
So you're telling me the few sentences we manually sequenced is alive?
>kek
Im sorry but no.
Are you telling me that if i code tom sawyers text in DNA that its going to come to life?
Avoid absolutes, All life has DNA, but not all DNA leads to life.

The United State's Government actively combats issues with laws that create even larger issues, or they end up back at square one, the original issue again.

Sounds like a case of affirming the consequent their buddy.

The cell is defined as the unit of life because of our current understanding of what life is. This does not mean that it is set in stone, especially if you consider theories on abiogenesis - when did "life" start becoming "life"?

Gods not real faggot deal with it

Grow a penis. Both of (You)

Well i only bring erosion in because it seems somehwat fitting. Both evolution and erosion occur natrually. Man can directly affect how both occur and turn out. After man's touch has left, the product can still be affected by their original influences again. But yes its hard to make a good comparison due to how little is developed in genetic engineering, rarely anything relates to it.

It is. But you csn only ever change people who follow the rules. The rules will always support those who break them.

There is no way to physically seperate feckless people from logical ones and so every eventuality must be assumed possible and regulations made to keep things safest for both parties.

If you allow someone to light themselves on fire in the forest you live in, you're gonna have a bad time.

How about the molecules of amino acids themselves...
Molecules are objects....

Naw I'm doing just fine without one. Maybe you should give your balls a tug.

Re reading my post again, i meant to green text the first part.

I really dont have much to add to this post though. My feelings, while flawed, will hold for this case. I at least admit they are wrong. I just think people who would do that are sick in the head.

Name one living thing that is comprised entirely of amino acids
Pro-tip: You can't.

There is a large leap from bleaching your jizz rag to stabbing a man.

>Molecules are objects....
So are women, like this bitch: Fuc you, that hurt.

Well, let me teach you something.

Consider the first line of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer.
"No answer."

Let's convert that into hexidecimal (it's a number like binary):
4e 6f 20 61 6e 73 77 65 72 2e

Now, lets disassemble our hexidecimal:
0: 4e dec esi
1: 6f outs dx,DWORD PTR ds:[esi]
2: 20 61 6e and BYTE PTR [ecx+0x6e],ah
5: 73 77 jae 0x7e
7: 65 72 2e gs jb 0x38

Done. Program.

You can't assume a standard behavior for people. It is going to really make life suck.

Choice is a better idea. You can't expect people to make better decisions by taking away their ability to make decisions

Yeah
Yes, I can: You. It's not absolutely full of amino acids.

I also made a mistake, it's not DNA that is the basis, it is a cell. But I can admit when I am wrong, and it my arguments still stand; just replace 'DNA' with 'cell'

With my errata, yes, you are correct.

Through extensive observation, we have not yet found a 'living' thing that does not have cells. Most people believe that life formed from a chemical soup creating RNA and DNA strands.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#Origin_of_life

Well, then what do we call it? Killing? If so, then when we abort something, we are killing a proto human. Isn't that murder?

I mean people should not be allowed to be so irresponsible and apathetic to life.

But they are and there is no way to stop it. Yeah abortion should be shameful and taboo but you don't want to keep that one person that might need it from seeking help.

There is no way to change people to being responsible unless you make everything allowed and stop trying to regulate anything at all, and that would never happen because we would kill eachother like mad.

Why do pro lifers let every thread they lose die? Why does every thread pro lifers don't try to keep going die?

It's a troll opinion and pro choicers don't have to work so hard and redefine so much to continue debating

If a child can't be raised by someone else, it is not yet a child or a baby. You cannot take away what does not exist. You aren't eliminating the existence of something that does not yet exist. You are preventing a possibility.

Can you deny this?

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Until it is possible for it to live on it's own, you are not taking a life. No life is being lived.

Now if you were conceiving only for the purpose of harvesting a fetus this would be wrong. I am sure if pro choice manages to trump pro life some idiot will argue that intentional creation for the purpose of termination is okay, it is not.

Something needs to be in place to prevent this, or disadvantaged people will be used through it.

Any terminated fetus must be destroyed in accordance with the wishes of the person undergoung the abortion. Pro choice being a better decision does not suddenly mean life is not in some way still sacred. I would not be surprised if it turns out pro lifers were never concerned about sanctity of life in the first place

Abortion being legal and acceptable does not imply and should not be used to open the gateway for free tissue harvest, use, and testing. Perhaps that is what /some/ pro lifers fear

This is what regulations are for and it would be silly to say you want abortion prohibited but would not trust the prohibition of tissue harvesting if abortion were allowed. Doctors need to be accountable for their actions

Would be scary if neither side trusted authority.

Pro choice is the best way to give every person every last chance to own their choices. If you take choice away from people who already barely care, it will not make them more careful.

The kind of people getting abortions are not the type of people that would raise a successful member of society if you forced them to have a kid.

No one can predict the numbers ans we will never be able to guarantee the quality or availability of foster care or other means of relocating a child.

Pro choice is the best way to give every person every last chance to own their choices. If you take choice away from people who already barely care, it will not make them more careful.

The kind of people getting abortions are not the type of people that would raise a successful member of society if you forced them to have a kid.

No one can predict the numbers ans we will never be able to guarantee the quality or availability of foster care or other means of relocating a child.

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>If two down syndrome people have kids and one of the kids is missing another chromosome
Downs has an extra copy of Chromosome 21, it's not missing a copy.
From what I understand, four copies of c21 would result in an unviable embryo/fetus - ie, miscarriage.