Prove to me that anything exists outside of your mind

Ever had a dream you've never had before?

Technically no, I’ve had every dream I’ve had ;)

Graveyards and the historical record of those that inhabit them

Have you ever laughed at a joke? Humor requires surprise. Can't be surprised if you already know the joke.

Airtight logic.

But we don't exist OP. We are your dying dream

I'm not OP, so I'm not a faggot. Such faggotry can't spring from my mind, so OP must exist.

Impossible

You’re implying that you can’t surprise yourself

Not a proof, I laughed at jokes I invented myself

>nobody here bringing up the philosophical concept of Solipsism

Nice try

You exist.

Nothing does exist outside of my mind, that's a given. You're all figments of my imagination. And you fuckers are in big trouble. I'm slowly losing my mind, so you won't exist for much longer.

>I'm slowly losing my mind
How do you know that hasn't already happened?

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>If thing how do show not thing

You're not deep, I hope your existentialism is a rapid decaying process for your own health.

>you have an understanding of something
>your understanding is expanded on by another being beyond your previous capacities alone or unapplied
>either you were always beholden to that knowledge and you blocked it out while you made some scenario up to "discover it" with multiple personality symptoms on a delusion of grandeur that shouldn't be possible, but here you are suggesting it like the underage summer fag you are
>or you're a hairless monkey whose conscious, while a novelty in the progress of life, is limited and the advancement of all and any knowledge is only possible through the collaborative efforts between individuals over the course of not just a single lifetime but consecutive and interlocked generations over a time frame that far out reaches what we under stand as the history of our species.

I.e; you did not just invent language, because if you did, big bad bananas and a bingle bangle bick

I don't have to see outside my perspective to recognize that my perspective is changing and expanding, or recognize mine or other's have differing and tangible limits to them. You can not comprehend what I personally coded the strand of b words to mean and that limitation of your perception is proof of independence from one another.
Unless you are purposefully limiting yourself from knowledge in order to feel more limited than your suggested omniscience because... you like thinking your a metaphysical god trapped with the mind of a retard who can only glimpse their true potential by posting baby's first philosophic ponder over a topic that has been squashed since the stoics on a Japaneses foot waxing chatroom?

And no I'm not going to tell you what the B words meant, because then you'd give me some relativity of time bs along with your indistinguishable consciousness jargon, so go on living your life and die not knowing something I definitively knew to prove our separation and distinction in consciousness

You can try it yourself if you need to.

It may have. That would go a long way toward explaining how fucked up the world is.

If everything that exists is within yourself, why do you still have a concept of self? Why do you think of yourself as "me"? Where does the division occur between you (me) and everything else?

Are you suggesting the "it's all a dream, man" narrative, or that because I have unique dreams occasionally that I'm always capable of learning something new on my own? Because the latter is a non sequitur most foul and the former is philosophically bankrupt.

Why?

>argument you mong
Infallible. He said infallible. And you and I both know he meant to type argument. So, an infallible argument. He has a point.

And last I checked... I have never learned anything through my own mind. My mind is the thing that learns, that retains information. That information does not come from within. It comes from somewhere else. "Outside". A place that I cannot directly perceive. I know this, because whenever I try to directly observe what I think is the world, I fail at every turn. Whenever I seek to establish axioms to implicate that all is in the mind, undeniable truths that can be put through their paces in good faith, right against what I know or believed previously, it all falls apart. The only things I can examine so neatly, are the finely manipulated lies that I can conjure in the space of my own mind- whose very nature borrows from a place I, again, cannot directly perceive. I cannot imagine what happens to me "in the real world": I am beholden to it. That has never changed. Reality wins. I am but a puppet to the forces of nature.

I have never discovered what lies in my hands, from inside of my head. My hands tell me what lies in them. And even then, I am liable to not get the entire story. I may never. Nevertheless, the knowledge that I hold within my hands something extremely hot, does not come from inside. It has consistently failed to become apparent, to become the case. I can't see Solipsism as being viable- unless you go through leaps and bounds in making seriously infallible claims about reality, amongst other things. Something about making unassailable arguments, in the face of impersonal, unrelenting forces looming over my perceived persons every which way, seems fundamentally incorrect on a level I may never be able to properly convey. Not with care, nor with time.

Only a fool would argue with fire.

Knowledge
Otherwise you could tell me the formula of Greek Fire
But you can't,
Have some knowledge that exists well beyond your immature existentially pondering mind

khanacademy.org/humanities/world-history/ancient-medieval/classical-greece/v/socrates-plato-aristotle

dez nutz exist

I’m not trying to be deep you twat, solipsism is babby’s first metaphysical qualm. I’m just thinking that everything in this world is filtered through your mind and wanted other people to think about it too.

This was a forty page flex with literally no direction or point at all besides incidentally flaccid dick waving. All I’m saying is EVERYTHING you know about this world has been filtered through your senses.

No lie but i have notice the most insane I go the more misearable the people become around me even people that i rarely see.I feel like i was the missing piece in their life but i have gotten so lost in my life that i didn't have time to help them.I wish i could go back in time just once.

This is the best response so far. Where does information come from? While I don’t endorse solipsism I enjoy thinking about it, and at least attempting to defend it, so when the argument is brought up that the mind can’t possibly be alone because it learns from other things, I have to ask, then where would these other things learn from? Surely the idea had to have originated somewhere? And if it originated in a mind, who’s to say it ever originated in one that wasn’t yours? If you want to have an argument about something less entry level, then I’d ask you whether or not you believed objective reality exists at all? Or is reality merely a collective delusion built on individual perception.

I'd ask why, but I know what you'd say.

You need direction when the original question was over there being anything that exists beyond an individual's conscious mind? I'm sorry if you're getting butt hurt that your logic is fallacious but you really are messing with middle school philosophy here and your underage is showing.

It wasn’t really a question dude. I just had a realization that everything I know about this world I know because of consciousness. I knew about solipsism for a while now I just had an epiphany and realized the whole world is in my head.

Objective reality exists but the mind is only capable of it's subjective assessment of it.

Again, it's not all in your head because there is more outside your mind than you can ever hope to experience or learn before it goes kaput, and it's kind of important to your mental development that you understand that.

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That's a more accurate statement. Everything we know about this world has been filtered through our senses.

But that contradicts the notion of not being able to perceive if anything is outside of our own perception. Everything we know about this world has been filtered through our senses- it is assumed, if it is not fact. Filtered. So, there is a world out there that becomes filtered- there is something, an "out there", to distinguish being outside the intimate, intrinsic experience that seats you firmly in the place where you perceive yourself as a "mind".

You can't see what you can't see, sure. But you're definitely performing the act of seeing, not merely imagining. Concluding, not conjuring.

>Where does information come from?
Things that can express or deliver information, or the notion of information itself?
>Where would these other things learn from?
I'm not sure it's so mysterious. I've learned things on my own through trial and error, only to discover that someone had perfected the process long before I did.
>Surely the idea had to have originated somewhere?
It's necessary. But that doesn't mean the idea had to be the very first thing to have ever existed. Ideas can fail to exist now, and only come into existence far, far later.
>And if it originated in a mind, who’s to say it ever originated in one that wasn’t yours?
Well, I am. I did not know something I did not know yet. I cannot. I can try, and I cannot. In fact, I have never done so.

>then I’d ask you whether or not you believed objective reality exists at all
I find that there's no conceivable way for me to prove this, infallibly, to someone who cannot entertain it without fault. I cannot share my mind with them. However, I also find that I have no reason to doubt such a thing. I have nothing to lose either way, but the world is much more consistent under an objective reality.

I perceive self. I perceive that i had thought. There is boundry between first and second perception. Things occur sequentially. I cannot return to the same point as first perception. Sequence occurs in one direction. Direction towards what? Towards "then"

Time exists as physical truth outside of perception. I have proven there is more than perception to universe Time cannot be the only thing thing in universe other than perception.

Your knowledge of your own existence demonstrates that something exists outside my mind--namely, you. I imagine you meant to ask, prove to me that something exists outside my mind, in which case I'd point out that asking the question assumes that there's someone to answer it.

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Based and Idealistic

what's the point in asking? all these answers were concieved by you. the spoon does not exist.

Fuck solipsism.