Does he deserve the hate?
Does he deserve the hate?
Jayden Long
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Blake Torres
Hate?
Noah Taylor
I hate this piece of shit nigger. I want to sodomize him with his own spear. The pointy end.
Hudson Myers
No he doesn't even deserve hate
Andrew Hughes
I really like him, but he needs a proper boss fight next game. He went from a literal joke character to playable in such short order that he never got the chance to develop moves of his own, so he's largely been using basic Spear (though I guess he gets credit for using it in 3D first), while Dedede and Meta Knight bring more than just Hammer and Sword to the table when playable
Nathaniel Powell
He's the Luigi to Kirbys Mario.
Aaron Hughes
Eh, I wouldn't really make that comparison. Given some of the stuff he says when he's not being used by P2 in Waddle Dee Town (most notably how, after explaining how his power scales to Kirby's current copy ability's, he says that he's really glad that he's able to keep up with him), and his song's lyrics, it's clear that he's hung up on being in Kirby's shadow and wants to get stronger than him like Dedede and Meta Knight do, even if he's apparently become far more buddy buddy with him than they ever have.
Luigi, on the other hand, is characterized as often not really caring about being in Mario's shadow because he's his big bro and he loves him anyways.
Cameron Myers
That's Gooey. Bandana Dee is more like if Toad became Mario's main sidekick.
Joshua Brooks
nah
just the faggots who keep demanding he be added to smash
Jordan Stewart
This. The hat goomba posting days were annoying
Chase Bennett
>Luigi, on the other hand, is characterized as often not really caring about being in Mario's shadow because he's his big bro and he loves him anyways.
That sounds a lot closer to Gooey. Gooey has never had a shred of rivalry with Kirby and he's happy to just follow him around.
Mechanically you could also say Gooey is a better Luigi parallel since Luigi was designed to play nearly the same as Mario, use all his powerups, etc, while Bandana Dee falls short of that.
Joseph White
They're also a lot like brothers because they're both good equivalents to Dark Matter, and they're roommates apparently.
Luke James
I only see hate for him here and I get the impression that half of it is hyperbolic or ironic. He's a good character and he represents one of the most fun Abilities in the series. My ONLY complaint with Forgotten Land is that his implementation felt a little rushed or thrown-in which makes the co-op experience suffer. I'd also really like to use him in solo play in some capacity.
Henry Hernandez
>He's a good character
Why?
Austin Reyes
Why does he need to represent something that could represent itself?
William Edwards
>Just some guy with initiative who got absolutely destroyed when he tried to fight Kirby the first time, so he decided to git gud and learn to fight legit
>Naturally becomes friends with Kirby and independently decides to help people
>Strong sense of loyalty
>Drinks apple juice
It works because Waddle Dees are naturally extremely passive and just walk around doing whatever all day so it's charming that there's one of them that has some drive in him.
I would like Spear to come back for Kirby himself, since it's not like MK & DDD can't coexist with Sword & Hammer in multiple games.
Chase Thompson
Not him but I like that he used ot be a jobber who's now arguably on par with Kirby, MK, and Dedede, and is just overall happy to be around Kirby despite having a rivalry with him, whereas Dedede and Meta Knight are all tsun about it. It creates a refreshing dynamic I think
I also like that he's also close with Dedede, but I'll be the first to admit that this dynamic hasn't been prominent outside of nods like him sleeping under Dedede's arm in their SA Arena picture, which is why part of the I made the post earlier in the thread, I also want him to get a proper boss fight under Dedede's command on top of the moveset stuff.
Camden Martinez
>entire character is "I want to train and be strong"
Kirby already had a character like that. As a rival it was Meta Knight, as a friend it was Knuckle Joe.
I just don't see the value in a Waddle Dee that doesn't have any of Waddle Dee's most defining and lovable character traits and doesn't bring anything new to the table either. It just seems like it dilutes the appeal of Waddle Dees. Maybe if he tried hard but he was still weak and clumsy, that could have been cute.
Levi Nelson
Playable Meta Knight & Dedede came about after Sword & Hammer were already Abilities, and so there are differences (MK's jumps, run speed, and couple of unique moves; DDD's larger size/hitboxes and ability to throw the Hammer without giving up the moveset). I think it's pretty clear that Bandana Dee was designed to wield a spear, and they reused his moveset to create a Spear Ability for Kirby to justify that dev time. In games since, they just reused that basis for Dee since it's HIS moveset first.
Hunter Butler
I thought nothing of it. Kindly do introspection.
Gabriel Price
That seems like a poor excuse to gate content from the main game. Hammer ability was based on King Dedede's hammer, Sword ability and Meta Knight debuted in the same game, but there was never a need to make Hammer and Sword multiplayer-only when you can play as Dedede and Meta Knight.
Sebastian Wood
>>entire character is "I want to train and be strong"
he's also super loyal to dedede. hat goomba was the only one in the audience for the masked ddd fight in superstar ultra.
Joshua Foster
>>entire character is "I want to train and be strong"
The arc he had between Revenge Of The King and Return To Dreamland was that, by RtDL he's already strong and doesn't really train all the time, he's just skilled with a spear now instead of flailing around like any other Waddle Dee, and he uses it to help people and protect his home/friends. It's more about his decision to get better than him actually getting there.
I like him for reasons similar to why I like Mercedes from Dragon's Dogma, except her story ends where Dee's begins basically. Both are complete jobbers trying to serve their kingdom and nobody really takes them seriously, but both realize this and resolve to go off and improve in spite of what anybody else might think. I just really respect that mindset, of being awful at something and saying you're going to stand up and keep doing it until you're not awful.
Christopher Bell
>As a rival it was Meta Knight, as a friend it was Knuckle Joe.
Not him but it's not really the same at all. Meta Knight's a massive fight autist who's strength and idea of getting stronger for the sake of it is 90% of his personality, divorced from his relationship with Kirby (though it's undeniably that his jobbing to Kirby so often pushes him to want to be stronger).
Bandana Dee wanting to get stronger, on the other hand, is entirely dependent on his rivalry with Kirby and loyalty to Dedede by extension. It also comes off entirely different because Bandan Dee was explicitly shown to have come from a place of weakness before getting to where he was and still wanting to improve, so he has that slight "spunky rival in shonen manga" appeal.
Knuckle Joe has literally never been a "character" outside of the anime and spinoffs, so who knows how canon any of that characterization actually is. Even if it was canon, it still differs from B.Dee's own approach quite a bit for the reasons listed above.
Grayson Young
He owes me five dollars so yeah fuck that guy
Jeremiah Young
>he's also super loyal to dedede.
No he isn't, he fought against Dedede for sport twice. In Battle Royale and in Fighters 2. Who was Dedede's partner that had his back in KF2? Fucking Meta Knight. The guy that tried to overthrow him is now closer to him and more loyal than his supposed right-hand man. The credits being a parallel to Revenge of the King, but with only Meta Knight following Dedede, highlights that pretty well.
>but bandana dee can only be on the right side he couldn't have been a moon warrior
That makes him incredibly fucking boring.
David Reyes
>Knuckle Joe has literally never been a "character" outside of the anime and spinoffs,
No, all of the Helpers were considered characters back then, that's why they all had a unique color palette.
Justin Miller
>The arc he had between Revenge Of The King and Return To Dreamland was that
He's not in any games between those two. You're saying his arc doesn't exist, they just suddenly skipped to the end of what could have been an arc? Laziest character development of all time. I'm pretty sure he was only proficient with a spear in that game because they needed an easy 4th character anyway.
Jason Miller
It doesn't suit Dedede to have a goody two-shoes sidekick anyway, they'd never be a fun duo. Bandana Dee is only fun in RotK because he wants to kick Kirby to the curb as badly as Dedede does.
Bentley Bell
>No he isn't, he fought against Dedede for sport twice. In Battle Royale and in Fighters 2. Who was Dedede's partner that had his back in KF2? Fucking Meta Knight. The guy that tried to overthrow him is now closer to him and more loyal than his supposed right-hand man.
Not him, but I got the impression that they teamed up specifically because they both have a vested interest in fighting Kirby for the sake proving their strength, so they team up to try and take him down-not that Meta Knight had sworn fealty to him or anything like that. More of a "enemy of my enemy (except we're not really enemies)" type of deal.
In any case, I'm not going to deny that B.Dee's place as Dedede's right hand man hasn't been downplayed slightly in these recent games, so I hope that changes next go-around (hopefully with a boss fight to boot)
I said "character" specifically because I was talking about specific characterization and not his place as a unique entity. Even in SS and SSU there wasn't any part of the stories where he had an actual role.
Carson Long
>Not him, but I got the impression that they teamed up specifically because they both have a vested interest in fighting Kirby for the sake proving their strength
Isn't that supposed to be Bandana Dee's main motivation for training?
Ryan Thompson
Yes, which is why I added that tidbit afterwards. I'm guessing they just did Moon Warrior Dedede and MK because, let's be frank, that's a cooler rival combo than B.Dee with either of them could ever be, they just have the seniority and prescience to make a cool duo out of.
Though discussing all of this made me realize that all 3 of Kirby's main "squad" since RTDL have a vested interest in wanting to beat him up lol
Gabriel Moore
>he represents one of the most fun Abilities in the series
why bandana fags always post this cope? every ability is fun and has it's fans.
Brayden Bennett
How can you hate a character with a song like this
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Austin Williams
>He's not in any games between those two.
He helped Meta Knight in the shooting Mass Attack subgame alongside Sailor Waddle Dee for some reason.
Julian Nelson
He doesn't deserve the "love" either.
Jaxson Taylor
>every ability is fun and has it's fans.
Uh...yes? I don't see how that's related to the point that Spear is a fun ability to Dee repping it is cool to people who like the ability. I think Sword is one of the best myself so I fucking coom at the whole "Meta Knight waits for Kirby to pick up Sword" bit they do whenever you fight him and jump on the opportunities to play him.
Xavier Thomas
I don't hate him but I'm kind of tired of seeing him getting pushed so hard as Kirby's sidekick. It's never been fun, neither for his character nor for game design. The song is great, but it doesn't really represent him very well. If he was strictly the character the song suggests he is there would be no problem.
I liked him when he was just a regular Waddle Dee that really wanted to help Dedede beat Kirby. If he was the same guy, but a little stronger every time, that would have been great.
Jaxon Richardson
is that kirby forgotten land game any good?
Logan Richardson
Nathan Morris
I am a Spear fan and it sucks that I can't use Spear unless I'm trapped in the mediocre co-op mode. It doesn't help that every part of Spear's moveset could be perfectly performed by Kirby unlike MK and DDD's variants of Sword and Hammer, who have good reasons for being more unique.
Kirby could have even gotten an ability scroll based on Fecto Elfilis, it's a fucking crime that that didn't happen.
Lincoln Flores
>I don't hate him but I'm kind of tired
I didnt ask for a blog post so I stopped reading here, thank you for your contribution trooper.
Jose Lewis
>bandana fags are also gay MK posters
your shit main will never be in smash.
The point is that spear isn't "one of the most fun", because all are fun.
Isaac Flores
He's getting pushed so hard as Kirby's sidekick. It's never been fun, neither for his character nor for game design. The song is great, but it doesn't really represent him very well. If he was strictly the character the song suggests he is there would be no problem.
I liked him when he was just a regular Waddle Dee that really wanted to help Dedede beat Kirby. If he was the same guy, but a little stronger every time, that would have been great.
Thomas Morales
>I don't hate him but I'm kind of tired of seeing him getting pushed so hard as Kirby's sidekick.
That's only been a spinoff thing (and only in 3 spinoffs of the dozen or so released at that) until Forgotten Land. In the main series he's been treated no different than the rest of the RTDL crew (if anything he was utterly shafted for the entirety of the 3DS era until Star Allies).
Benjamin Harris
cope
Gavin Cooper
>>bandana fags are also gay MK posters
your shit main will never be in smash.
Smash is for smelly pedo manchildren and Meta Knight is a cool character and you're massive faggot if you think otherwise
eat shit
Alexander Taylor
Yes
Jason Sullivan
And the spin-offs are mostly worse for it, there's no reason for him to help Kirby over Dedede unless he's meant to be a filler character.
Joshua Hall
I personally am ok with Bandana, Waddle Dees have now became as big a part of the series as Kirby and HAL is pretty aware of it. So considering how in a sense they already had a distinguished Waddle Dee to work with in being playable, I suppose the idea with him being there just stuck and became the "playable Waddle Dee" choice for them.
Joshua Jenkins
based hat goomba
John Brown
Waddle Dees have never not been a big part of the Kirby series and they didn't need a token special OC variant to make them fun.
Cameron Cruz
Bandana dee haters are funny as fuck, imagine getting mad at a goomba wearing a hat. Imagine how much they'd mald at the sight at a unique toad character like Captain Toad.
Andrew Morgan
just make banada dee spear+parasol or spear+beam like mk and dedede get extras.
Zachary Allen
>helped Kirby to defeat Dedede in Battle Royale
>Dedede teams up with Meta Knight instead of him in Fighters 2 so Bandana Dee sides with Kirby, not to mention the ending
Don't remind me.
Elijah Walker
I was talking about hat goomba.
I like MK he is cool and has sword, i'm just not gay over him like you do.
Isaac Green
Bandana Dee is Kirby's version of Captain Toad, a graduated NPC, except he can fight.
Jace Davis
Waddle Dees have been dual-wielded a parasol and spear before, there's no reason Bandana couldn't. But then the question would be, "Why can't Kirby do that too?" and there would be no good answer. Dedede has his unique physiology and heaviness, Meta Knight has his Galaxia and Dimensional Cape. They're naturally more unique characters, Bandana Dee is just a Waddle Dee.
Easton Smith
Buzzsaw Cutter is so fucking fun to use but it's also hell fighting Chaos Elfilis with it.
Parker Murphy
Spear being locked to co-op and the lack of unique moves is stuff I agree with, really. I've posted above. I hope they get rectified (it's really weird how there was no Bandana Deestination or something in Forgotten Land. They're totally fine wit cutting out massive chunks of levels because Dedede and MK couldn't use the gimmicks in RTDL and PR, so I don't se why they didn't here.), but it doesn't hurt my perception of the character himself much. I can see why it bothers you though.
>And the spin-offs are mostly worse for it, there's no reason for him to help Kirby over Dedede unless he's meant to be a filler character.
This is something I'm iffy on myself. In Rainbow Curse it didn't matter because the threat was an outside one and they teamed up to deal with that in RTDL so it was established, but in Fighters 2 him being the main buddy felt weird without a story explanation to back it up, and in BR it was REALLY weird because Bandana Dee still referred to King Dedede as stuff like "your majesty" despite being with Kirby the entire game and Dedede borderline treating him like a stranger. That entire narrative was just completely off to the point where I consider a Star Stacker Kirby-tier "this should be completely disregarded" character assassination.
I'm not gay for MK, saying "I coom" was just an exaggeration and not literal you autist. I just fine it really cool
Jayden Hill
It's justified since he's heavily forced yet he's easily the least interesting character the series has ever had, his sub-par co-op in Forgotten Land and keeping spear away from the main game just cements everything that's wrong with him.
Leo Wright
>graduated
>can't fight
ENTER
Jackson Perez
mad.
Lucas Phillips
You're mad that people are criticizing a bad video game character, re-evaluate your life.
Andrew Young
I don't think so, just wish they'd give him a proper name so he doesn't feel like such a thrown together character(even though he's been around since Super Star). Confirming him as the same Dee from Crystal Shards would help that too I think.
Samuel Howard
>says he wants to coom to a character
>j-just kidding haha
never change, bandana faggots.
Jayden Cruz
I assume you meant Kirby's Avalanche.
Jeremiah Cooper
not reading, but you really need to reevaluate your life if a goomba is living rent free in your head like this. It's not that serious.
Aiden Barnes
You obviously read and yet you felt the need to say you didn't, you are next level mad because you know it's true, bandanafag.
Nicholas Fisher
>>j-just kidding haha
I wasn't kidding, I was using hyperbole. Are you an esl or something? Do you not know the difference?
Yes, thanks for the correction
Levi Rodriguez
>They're totally fine wit cutting out massive chunks of levels because Dedede and MK couldn't use the gimmicks in RTDL and PR, so I don't se why they didn't here.),
Because King Dedede and Meta Knight are worth the effort, apparently.
Remember when they were making Star Allies and they considered making a Bandana Dee mode, then they thought, "You know what would be better? Literally everyone else gets one too."
Leo Rodriguez
This, or either a Meta Knightmare/Dededetour mode of his own or expand his story (and by that I mean retconning the 64 Waddle Dee to be him because it just makes way too much sense), or fuck it, a Bandana Dee-centered game
Jayden Taylor
Shit, meant for