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Yea Forums, do you remember what day it is tomorrow?

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Pomu plays and probably finishes MGS2. She's specifically finishing on the 30th because of it.

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Yeah, it's the day that Washington took office, isn't it?

what's the best way to play MGS2 in current day?
is that PC port any good?
I have the original PS2 version, and a CRT
also the HD remaster on PS3

The best way is probably via HD collection on Series X. The best way in your list is probably on PS3. I hear the PC version is bugged.

It couldn't be helped

ps2 on a crt, obviously
i beat it last year on the ps3 remaster, which was fine, but if you can play the original in a way closest to how it was on release, theres no reason you shouldnt. play the extra snake tales missions on ps3 after youre done

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MGS PC ports have issues.
HD Remaster messes up some visual effects or just straight up doesn't have them, which only really matters if you're a purist.
However, only the PS2 version has the skateboarding minigame, so it's the objectively best version.

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Just pretend MGS4 doesn't exist and his arc makes much more sense
Same with most other characters really

the greatest issue with the HD collection is that Snake Eater is out of sync with the credits in MGS3, which is a fucking crime

What about MGS3?

Really annoys me that the HD versions don't have all the content. Snake vs Monkey or Skateboarding I can understand, but I don't get why does MGS3 HD lack the secret theatres or duel mode

Sorry about the small as fuck image, but yeah it still has issues too

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Looks like I'll be using the old PCSX2 then for the two.

Are the HD remaster issues the same across PS3 and 360? I know that the 360 version has different controls because of the lack of pressure sensitive buttons.

no nightmare minigame in mgs3 either

HAHAHAHAHA

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Well, Raiden did leave her in Revengence, to travel the earth and dish out his own brand of justice.

As far as I'm aware they're the exact same outside of the pressure sensitive buttons.

I still don't get what's the point of having Raiden repeat his arc from the end of MGS2

May day the commie day?

Raiden started out as a meta character, a stand in for the player that wants to live the fantasy of being Snake and all that, so maybe his character in 4 is similarly meta. Maybe it's about the nature of sequels and videogames and how any grand conclusion or happy ending is ultimately only an illusion, a slave to the demand of fans and suits asking for another sequel, there can't be a definite happy ending, another conflict must be invented to throw the characters into. That and the fact Metal Gear is about war so the characters don't get to exist outside of fighting, which could fit with the fact that MGS4 turned to alcoholism due to being unable to reconcile his past as a child soldier

April...30th?

Download the community patch for MGS2 PC, should fix a lot of the issues you'll have github.com/VFansss/mgs2-v-s-fix

Rose is literally the worst character in the entire MGS Saga and that's fucking saying something.
>yeah, i spied on you and lied about loving you, but i really love you for real now, honest!
>yeah, i pretended to be cuck you but it was just a facade so the patriots wouldn't target us (despite there being zero evidence they would have anyway) but now i really love you for real and here's your son, teehee!

Fuck that whore.
And fuck MGS4, retroactively ruined the entire fucking saga.

PC
There's a patch for it that fixes all the problems

>despite there being zero evidence they would have anyway
It's exactly what they did to Olga and we know both that Raiden was used by the Patriots already and that they turned him into a cyborg ninja, implying they have intentions with him

How do the xbox ports of 2 and 3 even play without the PS2 facebuttons? What did they change about the aiming and interrogating controls?

Didn't Raiden become a cyborg of his own free will after realizing he was made for war?
And even then, divorcing him was enough, there was no reason she had to fake marry Campbell. His kid being a secret from the Patriots seemed to be the main thing.

>Didn't Raiden become a cyborg of his own free will after realizing he was made for war?
He then began work on retrieving Big Boss' remains from the Patriots for the Paradise Lost Army, leading to his capture. As a prisoner, the Patriots used Raiden as a test subject for experiments in exoskeletal enhancement surgery, during which he had his head and spine excised from his body from his lower jaw down and subsequently grafted into an enhanced synthetic body.

Oh, was that explained in MGR? I don't remember that from 4 and I played it quite recently.

how? not even american but Biden discussing is indeed funny at times, you can be pro whoever the fuck without sucking his dick.

Apparently it was explained during MGS4. Maybe it was some optional codec call? Everywhere I look, that explanation is the canon one. I guess they kept it vague, because originally Rising was supposed to cover the events between 2 and 4, but with it changing companies, they did a whole new script set post Guns of the Patriots incident, and threw out about a 100 page script for the events between 2 and 4. I guess that's the part of the story that was lost due to production problems?

Maybe it's from that MGS Database they released along with MGS4? I definitely remember the explanation that Raiden got captured by the Patriots and turned into a cyborg while looking for Sunny coming from something MGS4-related but I can't quite place it

It's possible, feels like a lot of things that happened between 2 and 4 were just completely lost.
It's a shame because Raiden is the most interesting MGS character I think.
All those talks during the briefings when he's in the Nomad talking to Snake always felt like there was just a whole lot of context missing.
Snake himself was never an actual engaging character imo, he was just cool and you wanted to see him win. Which is additionally why I think 4 was distasteful because Kojima suddenly wanted to tell a serious story.

You can raise or lower the gun using L3

Hackjima is a fraud

Anyone who doesn't realize that after Death Stranding is just being wilfully ignorant.
The writing was on the wall with 2.

MGS2's message is that whether Kojima is a hack or not it doesn't matter, what matters is what you get out of the work

>Snake himself was never an actual engaging character imo
He was the most engaging in MGS1 imo. Due to the nature of MGS2, he was an impatient troll there. And in MGS4, he was a grumpy old man. But in MGS1, I absolutely adored him. He had just the right balance of being an action movie badass, while also being tender, flirty, understanding, deep and compassionate. MGS1 is the reason so many people love Solid, even though you don't get to play as the classic Solid ever again.

Yes? Like with literally every piece of art ever created?

Yeah, 1 is my favorite for that reason, it feels like the only "true" Snake. Plus the chemistry between all the other characters was great as well. And the pixel art portraits in the codec just offered a lot more emotion compared to the 3D models.

Part of me wishes Snake's story ended with 1

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hahaha get absolutely fucked

I have a love hate relationship with Kojima. I absolutely love the original MGS trilogy, and I think that his early games are pretty okay. But I also dislike him for what he did in MGSV, and I think he has become more of a hack as time went on. I respect the man, but I also think he has lost the magic touch.

*beep beep*
*beep beep*
JACK STOP SHOOTING THE FUCKING BIRDS
YOU MONSTER

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The first 3 were written in collaboration with another writer, perhaps that would be it.

Really makes you think

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I didn't mind Meryl marrying Johnny so much because I want her to be happy, and she can't marry Snake for obvious reasons.
That said, yes, it would have been a million times better if his story ended in 1.

Naomi is so much worse that she makes Rose look like a non-entity.

>she can't marry Snake for obvious reasons
Why not? It would have been better if she comforted Snake in his final days instead of telling him to fuck off and marrying Poopy Pants Man

But did she actually love snake? Probably not, just the heat of the battlefield, and it quickly cooled off.

That's a forced retcon and you know it

First off, he thought he was gonna become a biological weapon until LOL BIG BOSS IS ACTUALLY ALIVE AND TELLS HIM HE'LL BE FINE AND THEN DIES AGAIN OOPS so he couldn't pursue a relationship for that reason, and they seem to have gone down different roads after Shadow Moses anyway, like the conversation they have at the start of Act 3, where they have fundamentally different world views. And also he's just a grumpy bitter old fuck, because 4 is a character assassination.

Oh wow. Weird how my five favorite MGS games are basically ones Kojima co-wrote with someone, or ones that were made without him.
MGS3 > MGS 1 > Rising > MGS 2 > Portable OPS
I really hate how MGSV turned out. There are things I like about the game. But I hate how they treated both Big Boss and Hayter. Hayter has been a huge fan, and a big part of these games for so long. But Kojima got rid of him, as soon as he had a chance to hire a big actor, because he is a westaboo, who really wants to be chummy with the hollywood actors. As for Big Boss. MGS3 showed the first step in him becoming a villain. MGSV should have shown his downward spiral, that leads him to becoming a warmongering leader of a terrorist nation. And it kinda did an okay story at showing his downfall. BUT. It wasn't Big Boss. I understand what Kojima was going for here, but in my honest opinion, it really didn't land. And aside from that, the game was really boring. Venom barely says a word, the side characters are boring, and it should literally be a crime to make Ocelot that boring.

What if she secretly had a scat fetish, and Snake wasn't into playing around in the mud, so he bailed, and started hunting down Metal Gears with Otacon?

FOXDIE mutating wasn’t an idea until MGS4, so that doesn’t count. If anything, Meryl should have learned her place doesn’t need to be on the battlefield because her delusions of hero worship should have been shattered after Shadow Moses. It would put her in a very different professional path than what Snake was doing with Philanthropy. Having her work adjacent with Campbell or serving as an officer rather than a grunt would have been beneficial to her character growth.

Yeah, probably. I could definitely see snake being a loner for so long being an issue though. like how would he deal with a longer term relationship?

There's something to be said about the idea that Meryl was always more in love with the legend than the man Snake himself was. I think it makes sense that they ended up having a falling out, for as charismatic as Snake is he was a tired man that only wanted lo live peacefully with his dogs.

>watching comfy OHN run of mgs1/2 for the 10 millionth time
why does it never get old bros

True, but Naomi only ruins 4, Rose is just a cunt from the very outset.
But holy fuck was Naomi bad. I absolutely loathe MGS4 and she is probably half the reason for it. For all his overwriting, Kojima couldn't find ONE fucking real character motivation for her? And how the FUCK do you expect me to believe Otacon instantly developed deep feelings for her after having met her one time? This is after HIS FUCKING SISTER GOT MURDERED AND HE WAS LESS TORN UP ABOUT THAT THAN HE WAS ABOUT FUCKING NAOMI

Fuck Kojima

What is interesting here, is that Grey Fox gives a very important speech at the end of MGS, and later on, that speech gets put in context as the thing that makes Snake start Philanthropy. I wonder if it is a happy accident, or if it was planned?

Cutting the whole wedding scene and just having Meryl appear at the graveyard after BB's speech would have worked
Having them rekindle their relationship after so many years would have been sweet and not that far fetched
>because 4 is a character assassination
kek sadly true

>Weird how my five favorite MGS games are basically ones Kojima co-wrote with someone
That's all of them though. Every MGS had co-writers.

Reminder that Ground Zero and the Phantom Pain trailer should have taught an entire generation of players to never, ever succumb to hype. But, yes, a game showing BB becoming a monster and explaining how the hell he was allowed back into FOXHOUND after the shit he pulled in Peace Walker would have been nice.

He fell in love with Naomi so he'd have another loved one to lose in the game

It'll be the day when Rose and the colonel will have a weird yet disturbingly accurate description of the evils of the internet and how the transmission of data and information online, written on paper and books and said out loud during all of humanity's history is nothing but a sick, twisted game of telephone. By the way I want to marry Raiden, he is very cute.

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IIRC PC is the best version if you patch it.

>FOXDIE mutating wasn’t an idea until MGS4
Neither was Meryl, since that was her first appearance again since 1.

I am not very clear on the timeline between MGS1 and MGS2 but I believe Snakes 50 dogs were killed and the fact that Metal Gear was still a threat and he couldn't really conceive a child I believe he just left Meryl one day without saying anything because he realized he was born with only one purpose and that is just being a man of action and thrill.
He made good solidarity with Otacon and they both agree and have worked together during MGS1, it would only be natural for him to do the duties he was born to. Plus Otacon would've been alone with his newfound purpose which would be difficult for him to execute being an unathletic scientist and all.
He legitimately has no purpose settling down and aging with a woman as a civilian especially with no children to lock himself down whilst knowing of the incoming threats which he can take direction action on. I do remember him saying or someone saying he secretly did enjoy the action and thrill, that being in such situations makes him feel alive.
Meryl's original purpose was being rescued to safety, which he was successful at. He also mentioned he was done with tomboys so Meryl probably nagged him in his house during his regular people phase. Also she's in relation to the Colonel so him leaving her would've been fine if he had done so without saying anything.

It's like poetry it rhymes

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It's kinda sad that Naomi was the most interesting character in MGS, and then completely got revamped into being whatever the fuck she was in MGS4.

I know, and it was completely forced. It made sense with Sniper Wolf because he was a shut-in otaku and she was the only woman he'd ever seen. But in 4 he's a matured adult, it makes no sense for him to behave like that.

He makes very fun game, I wouldn't really call him a fraud. His stories are crazy and over the top, not always in a good way but in a very entertaining way, that's more than enough for me.

The more I think about MGS4, the more I dislike it. It had some cool moments but most of it was shit

It was probably planned when a sequel was in development, though fortunately it wasn’t overly focused on. It makes sense that Snake and Otacon would both be anti-Gear, considering Snake resents nukes and Otacon feels the need to atone for his family’s participation in Metal Gear development. The fact Snake’s best friend is what gives him the motivation to come out of retirement in Alaska to do something good for the world is endearing.