Did GOW 2018 really needed to be shallow to be different?

I don't understans why the team behind GOW 2018 combat thought they had to cut basic and vital mechanics like jumping to "modernize" or make the combat more "realistic", if a mod would add a free jump or even juggling mechanic to this exact same core gameplay, including camera, the original vision wouldn't be lost in any way, and the combat would be 100% improved.

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OP has no clue what he is talking about. Air combat in the previous GoW games was a total joke and GoW4, like God Hand, is a deep game despite having no jump button.

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Because those mechanics would destroy their whole movie game bs

This is the real reason
It's the same reason the controls in rdr2 are so unresponsive
These modern devs can't stand their video games looking like a video game, every animation must look like an actual person no matter how it affects gameplay

I actually find it extremely easy even on higher difficulties, you can basically parry everything with a very generous timeframe.
Air combat in previous GOWs were really cool, although not in the level of DMC or something like that, and i never say i don't enjoy 2018 at all, just think it could be much deeper if they didn't cut basic mechanics with a non sense excuse.
Yeah, that's sad, still have hope it could be in Ragnarok in some form

This. The developers were more concerned with making the video game equivalent of "oscar bait" than making an actual good game.

Played the originals and you literally had to mash a button like a mentally ill retard and do QTEs every single time you wanted to kill a mob

Never played 4 and never will but from I've seen it can't be as abysmally garbage as the first games in terms of game design and playability

Westerners can't into game design

The combat in GoW was always shallow, but I'm both surprised and baffled at how they managed to make it even worse than before, in favor of some story about Kratos trying to be good father and raise his son to be better than him, with the entire emotional hook being about some woman we have never met, nor do we see in flashbacks like Kratos' original family, no to mention how Kratos' redemption happens off screen. I'm honestly confused how the fuck did this game get so much praise in the first place. Is adding a sad dad story all that's required these days for a game to get awards?

I really disagree. I used to love and be crazy good at the original trilogy, doing crazy combos instead of playing like a child, and i do think the ideas they had to revitalize a formula that was getting stale after six games, were really cool, i just don't think the execution is good, they dumbed it down a lot, when they could have the best of both wolrds.

jumping in original GoW was retarded, this is not Mario. They really knew what they were doing. If they were listening to Yea Forums GoW would sold like shit like previous game in franchise.

Yet they created better hack n slash action-adventure than easterns. Funny huh

Jumping and air juggles is too video game'y.

Enjoy MMO loot and shitty RPG mechanics isntead.

>Yet they created better hack n slash action-adventure than easterns
Absolutely not

Yes, they did. Check scores and sales.

THE GOD OF WAR LOOKS DOWN
>because he can't fucking jump

They did, check scores and sales.

I think it's obvious it was all for the sake of the cinematic nature of the game, which paid off for them in the end.
Combat is still passable though, the worst offender is the over the shoulder shit camera and the worst character progression systems of all time. I still don't understand how they thought the gearing and level system were ok. Probably the shittiest designed systems I've ever seen in a video game.

>Check scores and sales.
Ah, we're back to these arguments again. It's the equivalent of "game got a ton of awards, therefore good". If we're going by sales, does that mean that Call of Duty is the greatest FPS franchise of all time?

you haven't lived until you've done a QTE minigame where you have to fondle a demi gods massive demi gods tits by twiddling both thumbsticks until she cums
i miss the old games

jumping was cut in favor of the sticky "filmed in one shot" over the shoulder camera

>in favor of the sticky "filmed in one shot" over the shoulder camera
Which was done far better in Dead Space 2

>Yea Forums for over a decade before 2018's release, especially around DMC4's launch
GOW games are shallow as fuck compared to action TITANS like DMC and Bayonetta
>also Yea Forums
Why can't nu-GOW be as good as the old ones which had depth and good combat?

The board always fucking shit on GOW, god forbid you wanted to talk about GOW2 in the presence of a DMC3 thread.

So what arguments do we have here? Your own personal opinion?
>Call of Duty is the greatest FPS franchise of all time?
Wait you want to tell me that all CoD games got such high scores and praise from critics and consumers?

thats because dead space 2 is a masterpiece of a game

My point that if scores by journalists was the thing that mattered, then CoD and AssCreed should be considered some of the best games out there, yet they are not.

This is nu-Yea Forums. Now games that were previously hated are loved, and games that were previously loved are hated.

But I wasn't talking about journalists' scores only user, also CoD and Assasin's Creed didn't reach them.

I lost all interest in playing the game after I saw the combat. DMC5 is probably way better. Even though GOW was just a cuhrayzee imitator I still liked the older games.

Sales are the same thing. CoD sales like hot cakes every year. Even the shit entries do.

>DMC5 is probably way better
In what case? It's linear, short, repetitive as hell, story is dumb, moves are separated between 3 characters, locations are dull and uninspired.

And God of War isn't linear and repetitive with a shit "emotional" story? Lmfao

GOW looks just like that but with shitty combat.

so if not sales, gamers and journos scores are the merit of game quality what is then? Your opinion?

How it is linear? There is exploration, riddles, crafting, side quests. For hack n slash it's hardly linear. In GoW you just move in a straight line until the enemy arena is blocking you, you beat guys, the wall disappears and you repeat the same shit till the end of game.

>moves are separated between characters
Yea no shit I guarantee even beginner character Nero can do more than kratos.

*In DMC

The actual quality of the game itself. Not what journalists say or whether it sells a billion copies. Fifa and Madden sell well. It doesn't make them good. Same thing with CoD and AssCreed. Seriously, when did Yea Forums devolve so much that you dipshit started arguing like children on Reddit or YouTube, talking about sales, awards, and what some literally who journalists have to say?

It literally has more depth than the originals though

>Nero can do more than kratos.
No, his moves and combos are so limited. Almost as bad V

>riddles
Go to place, pick up thing, place the thing on another thing. That's it. It's insulting to everyone's intelligence.
>crafting, side quests
Garbage RPG mechanics that shouldn't be in an action game. Seriously why are you all arguing like some 16 year old zoomers?

>The actual quality of the game itself.
But I asked who decide about that. You haven't answered my question.

Hell yeah, brother.
Can't wait to see how EA fucks up the DS1 remake.

Nero is a faggot who ruined the series. No one gives a fuck about him or his boring bitch of a wife. V sucks too. Why can't they just center on one fucking character instead of fucking around with characters no one cares about

>Go to place, pick up thing, place the thing on another thing. That's it. It's insulting to everyone's intelligence.
I was talking about GoW not DMC.
>Garbage RPG mechanics
Who said they are garbage? Why are you using your opinion as argument? Are you 14?

>But I asked who decide about that.
There's an objective quality to games. That's how it's decided. If you honestly think that journalists are the authority of what is quality and what is not, then I'm sorry, but you are mentally retarded.

>That's how it's decided.
Again, by who? Answer the question retard.

Reddit May Cry literally only has two good games, those being DMC3 and 5 and Trannyeta was unironically never good. It's just a shitty mashup of DMC and GOW but fails to understand what made those games good. There's a reason Hackyima hasn't made a game in years because no one gives a fuck about gook shovelware garbage lmao. GOW1,2,3, Ascension and GoS just shit all over that in terms of gameplay, enemy design, and story. it's over

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it's like watching the finals of mental gymnastics in the paralympics, holy shit

>here's your crazy action game bro

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GOW was never good. Cinematic garbage will never make for a action game.

DMC was never good. Cinematic garbage will never make for a action game.

Nice engrish btw.

Objective quality is not decided by a single person, you retarded monkey. Do you so desperately want to be told what's good and what's not by someone else?

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You just dont know how to juggle and use exceed and the arms. Guarantee you are the guy that just does launcher and roulette over and over again. You can jump cancel all of his aerials and you need to use his pistol to keep the juggles going after certain jump cancels. Now show me the videos of kratos doing anything.

>Nice engrish btw.
arigatou

So I already pointed out that GoW got worldwide praise yet you decided it doesn't matter because you said so. Apparently, game quality is decided by some 13yr old inbreed autist now, no other people.

the problem isn’t the gameplay, the problem is the camera behind kratos back for no reason at all

>got worldwide praise
Okay then, DMC5 also got worldwide praise. So did Bayonetta. So did many other action games, which is where the entire argument started. So what now?

Stay mad boomer

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you will never be japanese

>Okay then, DMC5 also got worldwide praise. So did Bayonetta. So did many other action games, which is where the entire argument started. So what now?
Yet they got lower praise than the new GoW yet you said it's worse game. What now?

GoW was always a design by committee franchise. That meant it was edgy trash back then and woke garbage now.

You dont HAVE to do QTE if you are impatient moron that wants to button mash. Enemies will die regardless. You are full of shit or baiting. Or both.

You remind me of a faggot I knew that was shit at DMC and genuinely thought Dante was cool.

kekekekeke upvoted mate got him xd xd xd hahahahah so funny hahahahahahah epic troll bait lmao

>hows it linear? Theres busy work, artificial slow down, busy work, rowing, unskipable cutscenes, more buys work more unskipable cutscenes more padding more rowing.
>do the same thing but now its HERE on the map wowowowowow
The audacity to think why its linear baffles me as well..

>if I call some activities in retarded words that means the game is actually linear
That's not how arguments work user.

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To be honest I can describe every non linear game like this, even with open world like GTA, Elden Ring or BOTW. You have to be at least 15 to post here user.