Is crafting the worst modern video-game mechanic? why is it everywhere?

Things I now hate
>Crafting
>Open World
>FPS
>Randomized Loot
>Stealth
>Horse Riding
>Bows and Arrows
>Enemy camps
>Map towers
>Dialog trees
>Zombies
>First person Parkour
>Collectathons
>Scripted action sequences
>QTEs
>Side Quests
I hate that every game made today has at least 75% of these in different combinations. Fuck horses. Fuck bows. Fuck open world.

It's not important at all for rpgs.

RPG mechanics in non RPG games are cancer in general. Some manage to pull it off but mostly it's just a cheap way to imitate player growth by gimping the gameplay at the start of the game and allowing you to actually have fun once you leveled up more.

the actual reason is because those things allow the devs to stretch the game a lot more, and slowly reward you with things to make you think you're having progress, why make one treasure chest with a new weapon when you can split it in 5?
leveling up is the same shit, it rewards you for just playing the game, so you always feel like what you're doing is helping you, but in the majority of those games leveling does almost nothing, or they have a skill tree with skills that are barely noticeable (15% reload speed for 2 seconds after getting damage), they also add some important things that should be in the game in the first place, but bloat it with crap to make it seem bigger. reason for this is because it's hard to balance an actual rpg, but if the rpg part barely changes the game, you don't have to worry about balancing it, and you can benefit from the addicting aspect of it

>good example of a crafting mechanic
Aside from survival games? Bound by Flame.
Crafting is easely ignored if you don't want to pay attention to it but you can use it very easely to customize your armour and create potions without going to the shop constantly.
The minor crafting aspects or Resident Evil game is also somewhat interesting. It's not overcomplicated and deepens the inventory management mechanic.

Fuck you for reminding me about Dead Space 3

Yes it is, and because of retards and casuals

>why is it everywhere?
It's a really easy and lazy way to make gamers feel rewarded for doing menial tasks without actually giving them rewards. The player can spend dozens of hours hunting chests, doing side quests, fighting optional enemies, but in reality their only reward ended up being a decent weapon, and hundreds of excess bear skins.

The main thing that pisses me off is when the crafting requires ingredients that you can't obtain through natural side content gameplay. When you do all the sidequests but you still dont' have enough materials because you didn't think to hunt random fucking boars that spawn in the overworld, you have failed as a game designer.

dead space 3 was a fine sequel to dead space 2 and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't
dead space 1 shits over both of them anyway

>dead space 3 was a fine sequel
hpw does plots holes up the ass and not-gears of war action combat make it a fine sequel

>It's an important mechanic for survival games and rpgs
Lolno. Progression is important in an RPG, crafting is not. The progression can come from leveling up and/or acquiring better loot.

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4/10 got me to reply

>plot
lmao

Its not the worst but that shit is on the same level as BR. I actively avoid games with "crafting" "mechanics". Luckily most games with that are shitty shovel Survival games anyway.

You like skins though?Opinion discarded retard 4night kidddo

>got horizon zero dawn for free
>played it for literally one hour
>after killing first boss, my inventory is already maxed
>"you can only hold 8 items right now. to craft a bigger inventory bag just hunt a bunch of wild turkeys lol!"

I immediately dropped it. Does it get better, or is that a completely apt red flag for what the game would become?

The worst mechanic is escort anything, by far.

>got horizon zero dawn for free

no need to lie on the internet

I guess I haven't played that many games where escort is too offensive, but I've heard horror stories

>re4 probably pulls it off the best
>re5 is the game that pissed me off the most, with sheva constantly dying on the highest difficulty

Nah I hate "stealth" missions more because unlike escort missions stealth quests are shit no matter what genre.

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Do Americans really?

What a fucking stupid take to take away from that post.

Sony literally gave away like a dozen games for free last year from their "play at home" campaign, horizon being one of them
blog.playstation.com/2021/03/17/play-at-home-2021-update-10-free-games-to-download-this-spring/

And even if that wasn't true, it wouldn't be that farfetch'd of a lie to say "a friend gave it to me."
What a fucking idiot

>because unlike escort missions stealth quests are shit no matter what genre.
>stealth quests are shit no matter what genre
nigga, there's a whole genre with nothing but stealth quests and many of those are great.
Escort missions however, are never not bad.

It's okay to buy sjw garbage no need to act like you didn't.Probably bought the deluxe too,why would you buy a game like horizon 2 and not like it...

zero dawn has been free a couple of times and is years old; forbidden west is the one that just came out

cheap way for indulging addicts. the sense of accomplishment and progression hits those dopamine receptors just enough

>it's a stealth escorting mission

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>>protagonist is an engineer
Is there a game where I wander around a giant spaceship (or similarly massive structure) and fix things through clever puzzles?
Dead Space was more fun without the ayylmaos trying to wreck your shit.

I found crafting in Dead Space 3 pretty good, main problem was the balancing and universal ammo.
I like crafting equipment like weapons and armor, and I fucking HATE consumable crafting. IDGAF about potions and bow arrows and shit

>FPS
Fucking this. I can't play a single FPS now without getting horribly bored. They're all the same shit.

Yes

Ah, Dead Space 3. I hate Dead Space 3.

crafting lets you ding for the purpose of operator conditioning.

yes

I've always fucking hated bows and arrows.

Maybe you just hate video games.

shitload of faggots that like collect mats and then play jackpot with the crafting mechanic

and of course shitlaod of pay to win by proxy if the game allow trading

I didn't buy horizon 2, because I dropped the first one. Sony gave away the deluxe version for free btw.

Fucking idiot.

Some survival games do it very well. Raft's progression, for example, starts you out with 4 squares of floor and a trash collecting hook made out of scrap. From there you'll start gathering materials manually, build a hammer to expand your raft, build tools to cook whatever meager food you can gather from barrels and purify the salt from water, and continue to expand your flimsy craft while trying to fend off the shark. After like just enough time to find this boring, you're going to start figuring out new recipes to make things easier and start crafting the all important anchor and land tools like an axe so you can explore islands, which inevitably leads you to expanding your raft enough to lay out your scanner and three antenna, and starting on the trail of the game's "campaign". After a few more hours you're likely going to have successfully armored the outside edge of your raft to fend of the shark and made collection nets so that you passively gather materials rather than having to manually gather everything. This is where the game really clicked for me, especially since this is also where you start being able to build more permanent upgrades to the raft like a reusable anchor, and since you're using up resources at a decent rate, you usually strike this nice balance of not fully running out of things but always needing a little bit more of this and that. I think the main reason this all works, possibly even better than Minecraft, is that your base, your raft, is always with you. You didn't build a sick skull fortress then abandon it because the surrounding area is effectively stripped of resources. There's a constant tangible benefit to improving the raft.

Crafting and upgrade systems that are like
>after getting 2 headshot kills in a row, fire your weapon 5% faster for 10 seconds, effect stacks, incompatible with "quick shot" perk
Do people really think this shit is remotely fun or interesting?

There's Breathedge, but I personally found it tiresome. It tries too hard to be a funny version of Subnautica in space.

DS3 at least was EA trying to milk the fuck out of the game so they packed it with microtransactions and a coop mode

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To facilitate collecting.
Collecting stuff pads out game time.
Having a use for the stuff you collect incentivises collecting.
I mean this is pretty fucking obvious and basic stuff, were you dropped on the head as a child or is Dead Space just your first game on a system not made by Nintendo?

Crafting is only good when material acquisition is linear, the crafting doesn't require 10 items to make a shitty dagger and it can be used to break the game ala TES games.

desu it worked I've bought dead space 3 like five fucking times

(and not one of them apart from me have finished the game)

wait wtf I typed "tbf" how did it come out "desu"

>he doesn't know

desu'd

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Make it underwater too

Crafting only made sense in the early WoW days when you made things like arcanite reaper and engineering trinkets to break pvp matches, but now every game developer shoehorns crafting and its fluff, its unnecessary. I just played through Nioh 2 and Elden Ring and both games have crafting systems that are totally extraneous, its just a whole lot of extra button pushing

Depends on the game. But yeah, its usually out of place and shit. Like why the fuck did Dead space need crafting outside of appealing to normal fags? Like I couldn't be assed to collect 5000 parts and put them together, let me just play the fucking game.

Same goes for skill branch trees too. I would really rather not have to unlock a bunch of useless skills that should have either been there right away, or don't do much to change the game at all outside of damage numbers.

Dead space is a horror action game. Crafting weapons is not needed when scarcity is supposed to be a core element of the game. You survive with the limited tools provided, you don't build the giga necro-slayer 3000.