Why is it so hard for games to get scale right?
Why is it so hard for games to get scale right?
Dominic Bailey
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Kayden Young
Poor perspective due to a static camera and laziness from game devs. Also game size.
Jacob Smith
Processing power
Aaron Nguyen
because to have scale you also need time, monotony, and boredom. and gamers dont really want that.
Tyler Taylor
The erdtree did this for me. Also Raya Lucaria now that I think about it
Juan Morris
You misspelled 'zoomers'.
Cooper Lee
People have been bitching about "empty" open worlds for years, revisionist.
If they were to scale games into a more realistic size, people would have a fit
Luis Bailey
because that vista consists of 10 minutes of uninterrupted riding through an empty valley.
>UMM just add items and enemies hurrr
you've now copypasted even more monotony into that space since now you've got meaningless chore combat and a nagging checklist of items to comb for, and your 10 minute ride is now 30 minutes of busywork. you've now got ubisoft garbage, all for the sake of some big statues that are impressive when you first see them and then utterly meaningless.
Liam Green
Most times they change it intentionally. Like in the Assassin's Creed games. You'd be walking and climbing 10x longer if the buildings were an accurate scale. The buildings in Venice in AC2 are much smaller than reality, to make game flow better. Whereas in AC3, they did keep to the true scale. And the result was it was much slower and annoying to climb stuff. And the streets were poorly laid out with crooked walkways and dead ends (because that's how it was in real colonial cities).
Basically, they change the scale to make gameplay faster or easier. In a fantasy world, they can change the scale to accommodate that. But sometimes they do the opposite. Like Final Fantasy XII and Breath of the Wild made things bigger just for the visual spectacle. And it hurt gameplay.
Ryder Lee
'Empty' is a reddit buzzword.
Blake Diaz
6 millions Mo of high-def textures for shit only two autists on Yea Forums will appreciate.
Brandon Nelson
Come home...
Owen Robinson
Funny how it always gets used here too
Dylan Cruz
It's just another word that people use to blindly 'critique' a game. Any time I ask them what they even by it, I never get a good answer. It's right up there with other words like 'overrated', 'shallow', and 'boring'.
Gabriel Allen
>you can't have a big world and fill it with things at the same time
uh
okay
Brody Powell
Imagine having to actually spend five minutes holding forward just to get through it. There's your scale limiter: boredom.
Kayden Turner
I'm sure they'd have fast travel points for all you zoomies.
Dominic Brown
Owen Garcia
shallow and boring are absolutely valid (if they bother to explain it) but overrated is just a cope
Robert Adams
Elden Ring and BotW scratch that itch for me. Scale on this size is so beautiful to comprehend and let your mind wander looking at; those games make their worlds feel lived in and you an observer. It's great.
I love video games.
Carson Sullivan
what game?
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Play FF15, and tell me that shit is good
Juan Evans
The original Unreal had a pretty big sense of scale to it and for it's time it was pretty impressive. The downside to it is that you spent a lot of time just walking across large empty spaces until an enemy or two would spawn and you're back to walking again. Large spaces are great for scenery, for gameplay not so much.
Alexander Nguyen
Take a wild guess
Michael Collins
>Dishonest camera angle
Adrian Taylor
OP probably meant good games.
Jayden Anderson
Kings Field 12
Eli Powell
open world with nothing in it. fuck your scale.
Adam Price
Brody Sanders
i made my horseback riding camera offset after considering what people were saying in these threads. i like the new perspective honestly
Mason Foster
are you the one who made this? nice job user,
Jordan King
Jack Mitchell
Thomas Green
The camera is one of the biggest reasons games don't do scale right. Typical 3rd person is shit for showing off scale.
Owen Murphy
Imagine if you had to walk for 30 minutes in a video game to get the tavern, and then had to take a 3 day trip to the next village over.
Jack Long
Jaxon Foster
fpbp
Brody Morales
This one was another user using a reshade
Robert Lopez
this
it peaked here
James Watson
I'd unironically love a game like that if it was handled properly. The problem is that to handle that properly would require an astronomical amount of money and work that probably not even a studio like Rockstar could pull off.
Zachary Phillips
This.
Levi James
Austin Russell
I would too, but if you made every game like that it would get really old fast. Some games do operate to that scale kind of, like EVE, but that's hardly a mainstream game and they can afford a lack of details because of the setting.
Camden Bell
S C A L E
Charles Morgan
Some open world games also kind of did this aesthetically, like KOTR.
Jordan Scott
Why does it need to take 3 days? Elden Ring had a bunch of big shit and it didn't take me 3 days to get from point to point.
Ethan Foster
Elden Ring didn't capitalize on it's scale as much as it could have. Raya Lucaria you get teleported in instead of climbing. The capital you start at the top which looks amazing but then you get funneled down. It shows off the verticality well in how you can take different paths down, but there's never really that sense of scaling a massive structure. Stormveil was a cool dungeon but it was too small to evoke the holy shit feeling that Leyndell could have if you did it in reverse.
Aiden Howard
Cooper Lewis
scale and a small 2d monitor are an oximoron, they won't get it right until vr has matured.
Jeremiah Baker
I'd really like some horror games with a megalophobia theme
Leo Martin
planetside 2 has gotten scale right imo
Logan Smith
Elden Ring also lacks scale. It feels more like a themepark with different areas arbitrarily spliced together at a whim on top of fast travel. The first Dark Souls honestly has a far better sense of scale.
Nicholas Ross
>why won't anyone make a game where I literally have to ride my horse for a week to cross a single valley?
because no one would actually enjoy three day travel times betwee ntowns? people bitched about how far they had to walk in Dragon's Dogma for fucks sake.
Aaron Lopez
because they refuse to have tiny characters.
Brandon Torres
Jace Clark
Because scale conflicts with gameplay. Huge scale would mean very long traversal times and people get bored of that. On the other hand if you "alleviate" this problem by very fast movement speed or outright teleportation to various points on the map the sens of scale is gone.
David Evans
>Elden Ring also lacks scale
I disagree. Hopping around castle rooftops made me appreciate how fuckhuge some of them were. But it was also the first time I was medicated enough to play a Souls game so I need to go back and try out Demon/Dark/Blood
Andrew Russell
Because the time to model all that non-interactible vertical scenery could be spend on modelling interesting shit on the ground, instead of that flat-ass plain.
I want shit that will matter gameplay-wise over shit that won't.
In the old time shit like that could be done with a low-res skybox, but that trick won't fly nowadays.
Chase Jones
mite b cool, thanks for sharing
Adrian Hall
microsoft flight sim has the best scale
Isaac Thomas
Bruh.
The game is huge, and you can actually spot nearly all of the game's areas from the first bonfire outside the tutorial, due to how wide the rendering distance is.
Gavin Phillips
This but completely unironically.
Cameron Perry
Yeah DaS1 with the connected areas like valley of drakes felt nice. Same with the feeling of going back down to firelink from undead burg. Still a bit too small though. I want to wander up to some massive structure in the distance that turns out to be a complex labyrinth on the inside with insane verticality. And if they can weave that massive structure inside of an interconnected world as well then the game would be god tier. I can't think of a single game that comes close to what I want though.
Levi James
Dark souls II: 2
Scholar of the second sin edition
Kevin Green
Liam Sanders
Everyone has access to world with a proper sense of scale and filled with NPCs already. They play games as an escape from it.
Ayden Morgan
because 3d artists dont want their work to be missed by most players
Isaac Taylor
I can't build complex labyrinths irl without being a billionaire and even then they make the most boring shit
Jackson Evans
tell me where i can find the deep dungeons where ancient evil sleeps irl
Aiden Brooks
this looks cool, I should read this maybe