What games go out of their way to make the player suffer?

Even among most low budget niche Indies I haven't seen anything that looks as punishing as the OP pic

The only similar rpg off the top of my head is darkest dungeon but it doesn't even scratch the surface of OP's shit

I haven't played 4 but how were expected to get through this(you can't see the mines)?

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Looks really pleasant

I imagine you were supposed to draw a map and on every square you got blown up on you put an X or some other until you had a clearly defined path to the stairs

Through autism

Fair. But a game at the difficulty level of Wizardry I-VI could probably grab a market for twitch drones to watch some sperg punish themselves for a couple weeks at a time. Of course the interest in it would fall pretty quick I'd imagine, especially after watching the streamer level another group through Murphy's Ghost type of grinding.
I tried it once and just gave up because I don't have that level of 'tism anymore. It's literally Trial and Error: The Game until it becomes, Time Trial with RNG: The Game. The level with the random portals that dropped you anywhere in a different direction was some shit too if I remember correctly.

i've been wanting to play the SMT series now that i beat all the EO games. are these fine to play in release order? is the strange journey redux worth it over the original?

Trial and error because fuck you that's why
Don't forget you're being hunted by Trebor's ghost the entire time

Also this level was worse

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you can pirate both fairly easily