Wtf i hate France now?
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why? you don't like being able to resell your games?
imagine living in such a cuck country
valve should just remove services from france, watch the few men of that country stand up
>wtf I love France now
fixed it for you steamie
>Yay let's kill gaming
No way fag
>imagine living in such a cuck country
>valve should just remove services from france, watch the few men of that country stand up
giving more rights to the players will kill gaming?
yes
see dlc, early access and shitty mobile games
you mean watch the few gamers of that country rise up
because actual men don't stand up for games irl
why do people say reselling games will crash the pc market? Console games have always been resellable. Seeing how Console games outsell PC games 20 to 1, 2nd hand markets don't affect sales. at all.
>americans so bitter they hate france even when they do something good
>see dlc, early access and shitty mobile games
those are things that take money from you
reselling your games gets you money, you're comparison doesn't stand
why do you hate consumer rights, user?
Hopefully Valve moves off from being a conventional PC storefront and let Epic take control. Valve can turn into the PC version of the App store. Everything is free and free2play but comes with cosmetics and other microtransactions. That way they can bypass all these resale restrictions.
absolutely based
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>those are things that take money from you
I didn't realize freedom means you get free money dumbass. Gamers were free to avoid buying dlc, early access, lootboxes, but they didn't. If anything it proves gamers need a lot less freedom cause they are dumb shits that don't know better.
americans are the biggest corporate shills around, if you don"t suck corporate cock you're socialist or a commie
Americans have been told for 70 years that if they change what they're doing on anything, at all, in any way, society will collapse and communist hippie nazis will take over the planet.
>Yea Forums always try to taut about how they are pro consumer and fight for their rights
>france said maybe you should be about to resell your digital goods
>suddenly france is bad
the fuck
you still haven't given a good reason why the option to resell your games is bad
It's not just about games. It's about every virtual item.
But court will be satisfied with an ability to sell your account because court is not that retarded.
fuck off tyler lmao
if you buy a game for 50 dollers you should get back half of the money (or less) if you refund it. but can't you already refund the game if you play the game for less than 1hr and you get back the full amount you paid for it?
>Country where courts actually defend its citizens' rights is somehow cucked
Of all the awful things about nu-Yea Forums, it's relentless corporate cocksucking is by far the worst. Go kill yourself, retard.
>t-this is gonna fuck up the industry!
yeah, just like trading giftable copies of games and piracy has done in the past right?
Steamdrones are fucking retarded corporate shills, how is this a bad thing?
you need only to change the order
>france is bad
>france said maybe you should be about to resell your digital goods
>suddenly Yea Forums is anti consumer and fights for the rights of gaben
If you are developer and all your customer base is going to resell your games, you will rarely make a decision to make singleplayer games or games you can only beat once.
You say that's good, okay then just scratch off those games and say hello to either constant multiplayer force or F2P model.
basé
>forced to open used games store
uh no they just need to make digital games tradeable, that's all :)
He's right. France has been fucking up a lot lately, they ust be quarantined.
Btw, I wonder if they'll have the guts to do the same to their chink overlords.
So the real effect would be pretty small since only really cash strapped people would bother creating a new account for every game they buy. It is also pretty inconvenient for the buyer to have to juggle accounts. Reducing both supply and demand.
>all those steamdrones seething in the comments
Imagine defending billionaire corporations
This law applies to all digital stores equally, dipshit. If Valve is forced to resell digital games, all other storefronts will either have to follow or bail out of France.
>Valve forced to open used games store
Screencap this, it will never happen.
Epic is mostly powered by a F2P game though and they literally buy all their other games. Why would they give a shit if players resold their games when they don't even give a shit about sales to the point they will pay developers to ignore sales and just take the money so they can get more gamers on their fortnite chinese botnet player.
used games aren't anything new, the industry did just fine with them
yes, defend multi-billionaires corporations, good goy, fuck citizens rights, be a subject, not a citizen
wtf i love frogs now
There's a vast difference between used physical game market and a digital physical game market. Physical games break down, you take a risk when you buy them and the market of sales is limited. Do you really have that much incentive to sell a physical copy and get a five dollar gift card at game stop or go through the hassle of ebaying it? Even then most developers hated it and tried to use anti-gamer shit to prevent it or curb it.
er digital sales market
>imagine living in a country that protects consumer rights
The american corpslut has grown so accustomed to the cock in his mouth that he can no longer breathe without it.
yes i love when the government gives me free stuff! i have no concept of economics or consequences! i just love free stuff, especially free video games and money!
freedom only applies when the government gives me stuff and takes away other's rights! it's okay they are multibillion dollar companies that are hurting! i have no idea what happens when those collapse btw!
This is a great first step to make normies start to question the differences between ownership and licensing. I like this, but there is bound to be a bumpy road ahead.
it worked so great that eventually communist hippie nazis in form of sjwgendercorrect crowd took over the planet
this is your brain on America.
it will never collapse because mutts wont be able to resell their games, only eurobros
basé
>this entire post
I can smell the burger from here
steam should just put a limit of time for when you can refund a game like at most 24hrs because that is more than enough time to figure out if you like the game or not
Niquez vos grands mères
Ta gueule Abdoul
what free stuff? it's reselling things you bought, there's nothing free involved
Plus français que toi Ahmed
>only 24 hours
God keep sucking Valve's dick. Valve should pay us to pay their games and keep them from sinking to Epic. We should be able to refund the game whenever we want. What happens when they force an SJW patch? I want my refund and a full apology.
>markets are a dynamic and resilient powerhouse for wealth creation
>markets collapse the moment you prod them even a little
Pick one.
This is good if you play single player games. As for multiplayer, you would not want to sell it as long as the community is alive and nobody would buy it after the community dies or moves on to another game.
t.valve employee shitting his pants
>markets collapse the moment you prod them even a little
I think a law that upheaves the entire business model isn't a little dumdum.
ITT dumb chills who do not realize that there is no reason why digital should behave differently from physical. The worst part is that they do not realize they are being chills. If you want actual capitalism, why is digital such a grey zone?
Imagine being aware of the fact that an entity simply seeks to exploit you by taking as much money from you as they can with absolutely no regards for your well-being and your rights, and then consciously and aggressively defending that entity. This is what it's like to be American.
>Implying you won't be able to sell your F2P account
based retard
What the... What the HECK?!?!?!
France is a FASCIST state?
Oh my G*d guys, oh my freaking g*d. I'm shaking, I'm visibly shaking.
Oh, say, can you...
Oh, say, can you see?
No, it's not working anymore, the Freedom is dead... The Freedom is fraking dead guys. Our world is doomed, guys...
Alright fellow gamers, how do we fight back against the fr*nch menace? I propose stop calling them "french fries" and think up a new name. That'll teach those fucking frogs!
this
people selling wow and lol account all the time, what's the big fucking deal
France is so based
what about steam fries?
this is stupid, a secondhand digital copy is 100% identical to a fresh copy so theres zero reason to ever buy a new game if this comes in. it would wreck the industry.
I didn't know americans were such slaves
actually i retract the wow one, since the post was talking about F2P, but the LoL one still stand
There are valid reasons why digital should behave differently from physical, but not in any way connected to this topic.
How do you price something that requires some initial effort to create, but then can be infinitely copied for free? This shit just throws the supply/demand curve out the window.
Imagine being this retarded, in other words imagine being muttrican, lmao.
>G*d
It's g*d you cuck.
The amount of used copies is not infinite so people eventually will buy new games.
Do faggot french even use steam? They like UK are the most normie in europe. They only like FIFA and GTA. Shit you play on consoles.
>pay us to pay
okay
>we should be able to refund a game whenever we want
so even if you enjoyed the game and beat it 100 times i should give you a refund at full price? i would just delete the game off your steam and give you NO money
You're getting hyped over nothing, because if the decision doesn't get overturned all Steam has to do is pay a hilariously small fine and keep the system as is. Actually read the news articles for once.
a pirated copy is also 100% identical to a fresh one function wise, how come the industry isn't dead yet?
>How do you price something that requires some initial effort to create, but then can be infinitely copied for free?
dude you are literally talking about piracy
Yes
And I will be able to sell you the shitty games I bought on steam during the sales you peasant
The crucial aspect is time.
You can wait and buy cheaper already without this at sales for pennies. The product value depreciates with time even if the digital product doesn't change.
dude, they elected a failed businessman and certified conman who is the biggest corporate whore in history, and they voted for him because they thought he would fight for the little guy
they are not only slaves, they are fuckin retarded
How the hell would that even work on an online platform? What's stopping anyone from just copying a game locally, then "selling" the game afterwards? This is such a stupid ruling.
assuming the number of people who want a game is constantly going up and doesnt get outstripped by the number of people getting rid of old copies, sure. but thats a pretty spurious assumption. regardless itll still have a massive impact on sales and probably just lead to more shady practices like preorder bonuses
>a pirated copy is also 100% identical to a fresh one function wise, how come the industry isn't dead yet?
Because piracy, in most countries, is still illegal. This might be hard to believe but there are people that actually pay for stuff like normal human beings.
I mean france is pretty based when it comes to freedom speech and laws for the workers but when it comes to war and defend your country...lol.
>defending your rights as a consumer is giving away free stuff
Don't you have a school shooting to orchestrate
because a lot of people are either scared or not technically capable of pirating. also, having all your games as legit copies in a single library is pretty convenient and worth paying money for as long as youre not poor. but if you can get a legit copy, in that library, for half the price without giving any money to the dev, people are gonna do that.
Yes, just like giving more rights to women killed marriage.
I have some thoughts about this and if this actually possible I think there are 2 things gonna happen : there will be way less sale events because you want to sell for full price to get what you can and people can resell shit, or there are way more sale event to compete
Good. For far too long Steam has taken advantage of us. Hopefully this hits that fat fuck right in his bank account and force him to make HL3.
>dude you are literally talking about piracy
Not really, that's how all digital distribution operates. Value is created once, when the game is developed. Then the owner can copy it endlessly with hilariously small server costs. Yet we're expected to pay for those effortless infinite copies the same way we pay for physical goods. This isn't fair, but I honestly don't see a permanent solution to it.
at least the sales still give money to the dev, though. and generally the number of purchases goes up massively during a sale so it can actually be a big source of revenue for devs.
Let's say 100k people want a single player game but only 30k are willing to pay the current price.
So they play and resale it to a potential market of 70k people for half the price.
Everyone profits.
Devs get no money unless they are indie.
>This might be hard to believe but there are people that actually pay for stuff like normal human beings.
and guess what, most of the stuff you "normal human beings" pay for actually can be fucking resell
i mean maybe it shouldnt cost as much digital, but at the end of the day the costs of producing physical copies of games and distributing them are nothing compared to the development of a game. its really not an issue worth thinking about too much. they still need to sell it at a reasonable price to try and make a profit
>Log into account
>Sell game
>Its removed from you account and you can no longer sell it on the marketplace
is it really that hard to comprehend
Their itunes songs? Their netflix shows? Normal people buy a lot of digital shit they can't exactly resell.
The first step should be fucking digital good should be always cheaper than physical on launch date, that at least justify it being digital
>buy product
>it becomes your legal property
T-this can't be happening!
We need to nuke France now!
right, but obviously the fact that people KNOW it will come onto the secondary market will influence their decision. they might not be willing to pay the price knowing that, but would be if it wasnt an option.
You don't buy a product. You buy a right to access it in Steam. It's literally in the terms of your service.
i mean when i say devs i just mean whoevers putting out the game, i guess it could be a publisher or whatever. they still deserve to get paid.
but it's on my hard drive
So you're able to sell the right to access then.
wrong, i can totally sell access to my netflix account for cheaper
same with itunes accounts
what you are selling is the access, also commonly known as share the cost
>people are happy they can refund games
you people buy games? digitally?
>Its removed from you account and you can no longer sell it on the marketplace
But how can the service ensure that the seller has no access to the game afterwards? Like I said before, what if the seller backed up the data prior to reselling the game and still has a fully usable backup ready on their own PC. DRM-free games are all going to be subject to fraudulent resales.
Yeah just sell your used movie tickets or used plane ticket. I mean you bought it, so it's your property right? Why shouldn't the stores or service honor that?
What people seem to gloss over on this decision is that the court ruled the third clause as unwritten and considered valve and steam as "issuer of electronic money"
This mean valve will be obliged to refund the remaining steambux in your wallets if you decide to refuse the ToS because of this clause
>buy physical game
>dont like it
>resell it
>this is fine
>buy digital game
>dont like it
>resell it
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU ARE HURTING THE INDUSTRY WTF GAMES WILL STOP BEING DEVELOPED
this
I don't know why there are so many faggots pretend this is some high tech shit, when you would think pcbro should have known about this when they have been doing this with cs go skins and other crap like crafting card to trade etc
Which results in even less digital copies that can be resold, so more people will still pay the full price.
Publishers deserve nothing they don't earn.
Pretty much this.
Hopefully this is the final nail in Valve's coffin. Their shitty early access shit just put them over the line. They can release Dota 2 in a seperate launcher.
>but thats a pretty spurious assumption.
How so? Resales are uncommon enough to not have affected the physical market in a substantial way, which is evidence that most people actually like to keep game after beating them. Why would it be different for digital sales?
And in b4
>"It's a matter of convenience!"
In that case, all Valve needs to do is make their resell UI sufficiently shitty, and given their experience with shitty UIs, that should be easy enough for them.
not him but plane ticket is a bit iffy to be used as example here imo
can't remember last time i buy one without my name attached to it
basé et coupe du monde pillé
How about all these fucking CSGO skins and shit like that?
Used Plane/Movie tickets are concerning a service that takes place as a certain time. You can sell your Plane/Movie tickets if you want to, by the way, just before the date of service rendered.
I stood up and clapped to this post
>Yeah just sell your used movie tickets or used plane ticket.
Those kinds of things essentially have legally mandated DRM. They each have unique identifiers in the service provider's database which identifies them as a single entity. Games by and large don't have this - nor would people want them to.
Anyone with half a brain would just pirate it instead of buying it and attempting to recover the price partially after some probably lengthy modifications to get the game running without steam instead of just downloading a ready to go fitgirl repack for example. Your making this more complicated than it needs to be user.
>a right to a service for a limited time (a specific flight, a specific showing at the cinema)
>a right to access a certain program (in the case of steam games, no specific time limit is set)
I don't see how they are comparable.
...thats what i was saying? are we on the same side here? yes, more people will pay the full price or at least pay a sale price that still gives money to the devs instead of a random nobody
So does this law not apply to other stores like GoG and EGS or what?
Your example is retarded because a Steam license allows for permanent access to a game whereas a movie-ticket is one-time. You can easily sell a life-time pass or ticket.
Tickets are a service. A perpetual game license is legally a good. Digital stores sure would like you to think otherwise but they're LYING.
this
if i was steam i'd just pull out of france
its always strange when 1 random european country tries to change everything pretending like they matter
and how do you define "earn" in this situation? surely if someone decides to buy their game theyve "earned" it?
all digital goods
To earn a sale, making a product so good that makes people pay full price for it.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's a kick in the ass for publishers to push harder for the "games as a service" shit and subscription model.
There are like a dozen digital storefronts on PC and also digital stores for consoles, I don't understand why it's just Steam being targeted????
because PC gaming is a meme. almost no one plays on a PC. keyboard and mouse fucking sucks. i want to recline with my controller in hand in front of my 80" tv. not sit hunched over a keyboard. shits fucking retarded. also pc gaming is more expensive. cant even buy used games. GPUs cost as much as an entire console. and i even own a $900 gaming PC.
Based Frenchmen. With just one decision they got all the Yea Forumsalve shills butthurt. Look at all the damage control ITT.
Higher revenue than any individual console. Cope.
>if i was steam i'd just pull out of france
that's not how laws works in the EU kiddo
Steam is obviously the biggest and will probably be affected the most. Epic literally doesn't care about game sales since they make their money from a F2P game.
Can you sell your PNGs on Gachas in France, then?
>because PC gaming is a meme. almost no one plays on a PC. keyboard and mouse fucking sucks. i want to recline with my controller in hand in front of my 80" tv. not sit hunched over a keyboard.
You can use controllers for pc games too, you retarded larping consolecuck
>PLEASE CORPORATIONS PLEAAASE FUCK MY ASS PLEEEAASEE
Europe is trying to hurt American corporations because Trump is against Europe.
Same as article 13 and loot boxes.
Well guess what. France is about to alter the deal.
TOS is toilet paper in front of governments. They can overwrite/invalidate it with laws.
when countries curb corporations power in favor of consumer rights you should be celebrating you fucking burger. eu is getting fucked in so many ways but with the way you're unable to react to your own problems I wouldn't be surprised if you and your empire are going down with us or evne before us, god damn stop it please, it all depends on you
That's false though.
store.steampowered.com
>there are people that actually pay for stuff like normal human beings.
In Europe, yes. In the US, they no longer pay for the stuff itself, but a limited non-transferable permission to use the stuff for an unspecified time. The very idea of actually being able to pay for stuff scares and confuses them.
European corporations get fucked by regulations on a daily basis too.
You just don't hear about it because why would anyone give a fuck outside of here.
So your steam account doesnt count as a service database that personally identifies you?
This is the brain of a typical valve drone
>calling a country cucked for not standing for corporate bullshit
This is a level beyond cucking
fighting for your rights is a cuck move
>this is your brain with burger propaganda
right. except that people arent gonna just pay full price because theyre so impressed, thats not how humans work. people are opportunistic and will, generally, take the best deal available to them. if they can get the EXACT same product (ie: legit copy in their steam library) for half the price, why would they pay full price? its not like physical copies where you get a fresh disc and warranty or whatever
Reselling ""used"" digital video games is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard and of course there are an army of retards to defend it.
>but muh rights
Actually, that's true, though, as just proven by the court ruling.
>all those Americans that consider that the legal system is part of the government
LMAO
Wasted quads on an illiterate retard.
im sure people would prefer movie and plane tickets to be resellable, thats just not how the industry developed and it wouldnt make sense for them. its just convention at this point, no reason why the games cant have that as well. i mean, they essentially do right now, since yknow, theyre tied to your account and cant be resold.
Games are fucking cheap on sales now...
Not saying I have anything against reselling, but I can't say I'd do that at all. I sold most of my collector's editions, recently all games I get are from bundles and massive digital sales.
Fuck France, tho.
Why is it dumb?
steam can opt to bail at any time, just like they can ban and remove your games for any reason
when you buy a game on steam you're only buying the right to play it using steam's drm
with steam you don't actually own anything
based france, fuck the corporatocricy that this world's become.
Next thing you say, the Pope is not the president of Europe?!
Explain how they reeee at renting and value home ownership at the same time?
based france
>OHNONONONOOO, if we give more rights to customers, how will corporations make more money? reeeeeeeeeeee
Look at how high Nintendo's physical games resell for vs how low shit like Madden or Call of Duty resells for.
There reason is because owners of Nintendo games want to keep their game because they think it's good or they think they'll replay it. This causes low amount of resales in the used market.
Let's just take something like Stardew Valley. Are you going to see a lot of people sell that vs buying it used or buying it new? The price of a new copy is low and most owners will be hard pressed to resell it.
>its just convention at this point, no reason why the games cant have that as well.
Yes there is. It's the fact that you can literally go to the game's folder, hit Copy, and paste its contents to another place on your computer. If you resell the game after you've done this, have you actually sold the game?
The only problem here is publishers are greedy fucks and will push harder for shit like Stadia and GaaS
>Will be able to re-sale the shitty early access, or stay on it if it's good
>Have the right to choose what to do with your money
>T-THAT'S BAD FOR VIDEOGAME, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED, IT WAS NOT MEANT FOR THAAAAAT
You amerimutt never bought secondhand games or even sold them ?
almost every game on steam has partial controller support or none at all. ring of Elysium none. scum none. rust none. etc etc. on the PC everything is catered to you keyboard cucks. also all online matches are usually empty uneless its a brand new game. VS xbox live i can still get full lobbies on 8 year old games...
>You can easily sell a life-time pass or ticket.
no, that is specifically illegal.
You know the rules, quads = truth. Numbers dont lie, valve drones however...
Fortnite wins again baby
>but muh rights
Yes, my (and your) rights. Do you retarded burgers even listen to yourself?
This is some "fun is just a buzzword" tier shit you are pulling here.
Valve just needs to focus on a new F2P battle royale and Dota 2. They literally only need that to profit and stay afloat. Let GOG take over the PC game market.
This is wrong, Steam wasn't made to be used like this.
I hope they completely remove themselves from Fance, that will teach those cucks.
>>Will be able to re-sale the shitty early access, or stay on it if it's good
If it's shitty, then there's no way in hell I'm going to take it off your hands.
using this logic why would you buy it in the first place, just pirate it
you can bet your fucking ass if this resell thing become a thing, you won't just be able to copy and run shit without going through the launcher to check for drm wait a minute so just like right now, wow
I thought I'd be pissed but now that I think about it they're right.
Multiplayer only is the future of gaming, Gabe already said it.
There are so much ignorance here about common sense and logic and at the same time there are so much wisdom about humankind that the reason amerifags are crying is because they think money can buy human rights when there are countries whom value the health of their people I can't even stand why they are being triggered because of their culture, sure i am
did people forget that used games were a thing before steam?
the benefit now is that devs could have a split now on the used games sales
it's litterally a win-win for everybody
>you won't just be able to copy and run shit without going through the launcher to check for drm wait a minute so just like right now, wow
Nobody likes this shit, though. That's what I'm saying. You'd have to make this an industry standard make DRM-free software illegal. That would deprive consumers of other rights.
Based Frogs, you guys are pretty cool.
>almost every game on steam has partial controller support or none at all
I haven't encountered a single game where my controller didn't work properly.
Just don't offer services in shitty France, problem solved.
Not you maybe, but zoomers who want an "early access openworld survival crafting" shit like Ark, those will run to get the game.
Why not have multiplayer singleplayer?
MMOs have singleplayer campaigns, it is not so hard
And Titanfall 1 too!
used games completely killed PC gaming in the late 99s to early 00s
stop shitposting and get the fuck out
COPE HARDER.
GoG is better because you buy and you keep, no online client bullshit.
but not console gaming apparently
>try to steal games from steam
>try to steal the amazon from brazilians
>try to ruin europe with muslins
what the fuck is the problem with france?
Console gaming is dead?
Because it's digital, it doesn't have a lifespan unlike physical things so it literally wouldn't be different from buying a "new" one directly from the store. Digital things don't get used unless they have some sort of timed license.
Can I still refund unplayed games which I bought over 5 yrs ago?
Nice argument retard.
they are the land of entitled lazy fucks
if they aren't asking for handouts they are on strike or watching their wives get fucked by mohammad the neighbor
>Completely killed PC gaming
>Also the time where PC gaming was at its absolute best
I think it's time to kill it again. Maybe we can kill console gaming to while we are at it. Killing it to 2001 to 2006 level sounds good to me.
Yeah, why the fuck should anyone but corporations see benefits from digital goods. Nobody should own anything, only corporations should be allowed to own things.
i think you can because i played gmod for like 20min and i was able to refund it so probably? i dont know if the age of the game matters just the ingame playtime
>autism news network
>Wouldn't be surprised if it's a kick in the ass for publishers to push harder for the "games as a service" shit and subscription model.
So basically we lose regardless? That sucks.
>steal games from steam
What the fuck are you talking about you retarded drone
WONT YOU THINK OF THE CORPORATIONS WAAAH
The amount of bigger in this thread is fucking insane.
Holy shit, STEAM DOESN'T HAVE TO CREATE A PLATFORM FOR YOU TO RESELL YOUR GAMES
THEY DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW YOU TO SEPARATE YOUR GALE FROM YOUR ACCOUNT
THIS RULING LITERALLY ONLY FORCE THEM TO REMOVE THE "you can't sell your account" FROM THEIR TOS. THAT'S IT
kys
just make it like selling cards
steam and the developer takes a cut of each sale.
>they used to be quarantined
what?
The French couldn't even enforce their borders, what makes you think they'll be able to enforce a foreign company to allow people to return digital files?
They can't force valve to code in a way to let you trade your games.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
YOU CAN'T JUST SELL YOUR CAR, YOUR HOUSE, OR YOUR USED ELECTRONICS!
YOU HAVE TO BUY A NEW ONE EVERY TIME! YOU CAN'T JUST SHARE YOUR CAR OR YOUR NETFLIX ACCOUNT! YOU CAN'T JUST RENT YOUR HOUSE LIKE THAT! THINK ABOUT THE MEGABILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS!
>borders and company regulations are the same thing
Mutt logic
By that logic the devs never sold it either.
LOOK AT THIS DUDE
It's also affects gog.
Belgium and Netherlands fought against lootboxes not just from Valve, but from any company and developer that implemented such crap and yet both of those countries won in court.
The point is, the French are all women. They won't do shit.
ps4 users can sell games and its alive.
T.cuckhold
apparently Yea Forums is ok with that shit but reselling your game you won't touch anymore, now that is over the line
then why did you buy it in the first place you mong? minecraft and terraria are still the only games of that type that have ever been good
Damn, americans are SEETHING ITT even though that's their jewish overlords who are getting fucked
Really makes you think huh
They will fine Valve, after that they will fine Valve more and then they will fine Valve more.
You shouldn't be able to sell your used games. Steam is barely breaking even as it. None of the developers selling on Steam is making a profit. If you are able to sell your used games, Steam would go broke and have to shut down. Indie game developers would have to get another job.
or maybe you dont need the industry to adapt to your poor impulse control and you can just not buy early access, or at least wait for reviews/gameplay to be out you zoomer
all the forced circumcision at birth man, it really fuck with your brain
When you rent your house, you pay taxes for this.
They forced Google to pay a billion euros fine just recently.
Keep coping Valve cuck.
We'll see, Pierre.
Sorry for reposting my own stuff by we need to spread this idea. We can finally fuck over AAA publishers for good.
>No more useless shitty indie shits all over steam
>Steam forced to lower the prices
>Big vidya companies forced to make good games again
Nice
Did I said that I bought Ark or shit ?
But just think about people that were hyped by something like Conan Exiles or else, were promised a great game, or even """"complete"""" games like Friday the 13th, one year later the game was abandonned. If you could refund those, it would be cool, don't care about steam or else, just a nice thing.
How many steam games do you own anons?
>When you rent your house, you pay taxes for this
How many homeowners actually pay rent tax? I don't, and a lot of my friends don't. Don't report us, though.
If Valve doesn't comply the fine is just half million Euro, I'm sure they'll rather pay the fine than allow users to resell games and potentially lose a lot more money
>Wait for reviews by "journalist" or influencers
>"You zoomer"
Woh, you're pretty dumb boi
>America has been getting destroyed by every third world country they decided to invade since the fucking 50's
>Mutts still try to push the "France is bad at war" meme
392
*clap*
Good job, very strong points, well played.
Every time I remember that they cut their children dicks make me laugh.
They don't even ask why or if it's good, they just do it.
your post doesn't make sense, sony nintendo and ms already collecting a cut from transaction from other selling games on their store
what make steam is the only one with a system can earn profit from it?
what the fuck is that graph? just show us the full list in order, what is this cherrypicked bullshit
This just depends on how easy it is to sell individual games. If you can just go on a steam community market equivalent and auto buy/sell games instantly at no fees or additional costs, it will definitely change how games are made or monetized.
America has never once been invaded. Cope.
Basé
Allez tous vous faire enculer
So what happens now?
Oh shit, i just realized we might be able to buy games that are no longer being sold by steam
FUCK YEAH I CAN FINALY GET ONIMUSHA 3
50 or so. I got most of them through keysellers or humble bundle.
Nothing will change, have a great day
Yeah, which is why you can't treat digital sales like sales of physical goods, which is what this law is trying to do. It doesn't work that way.
>NOOOOOOOO I NEED TO GET REFUND FOR GAME I BEAT 10 GORILLION TIMES AND ENJOYED BUT I WANNA REFUND IT BECAUSE ITS MY RIGHT AND I JUST REALISED AFTER BEATING THE GAME 3 MEGATRILLION TIMES THAT IT BARLEY HAS CONTENT SO SHUT THE FUCK UP I NEED TO REFUND MY GAMES EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE REVIEWS FOR THE GAME ONLINE AND THERE ARE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE THAT SHOWS ME HOW THE GAME LOOKS AND FEELS
this is shit though, i dont care about steam making money. i want the devs to make money.
it's invaded by mexico right now
Renting like this is not always profitable, the people you entrusted your house with must be decent or they can wreck it and leave without paying and you can't prove anything.
If all that achieves is forcing Valve to replace the "Buy now" button with "rent" or "license", it'll be a win. Make normons aware they don't actually own shit.
what do they win?
blocked access to said games?
said games are now rated mature?
What happened with that title? Did capcom just pull it off or something?
Now? hehe.... let's go practice medicine.
brexit means brexit
i guess so, but youre still the one deciding to buy unfinished games like a retard. other devs (especially indie) shouldnt have to suffer just so you dont have to be an informed consumer
>the fine is 3000 euros per day for a couple of years
>(3000 x 365) 1.095.000 per year
I have a feeling that a little over a million per year isn't exactly a business-killing threat to them. Everything about this is news is wow it's fucking nothing.jpg
What happen? You better watch out is what happen, be careless and imma resell your digital waifu for good.
watch out
>valve takes a cut out of every sale
That's just the spark son!
If I was a game company why would I put my game on a platform that allows users to resell games?
But you don't get a refund. You're lucky to get 50% back from what you paid for, just like any physical copy of the game.
real actor licenses expired
1. there's a limited number of physical copies to be resold
2. physical copies show sign of use, some people prefer having pristine new boxes and the feeling of being the first owner. a second-hand digital download is just as good as a new digital download
not from sites faggot, from individuals who you understand the viewpoints of, ie: youtube reviewers. or better yet, just watch a bit of gameplay footage and decide for yourself if it looks good.
So will this be france only?
Getting sued for $1M would literally end Steam. I double they even earned $1M in their entire existence. This is why selling used games shouldn't be allowed. It would quite literally bankrupt Steam.
>ITT: burgers defending corporations
keep at it retards
i really hope this destroys pc gaming. or gaming in general.
refund and resell aren't the same thing
That is another silly shit I don't get, now i take that you can't use the model from a real actor for many many game and just the one you sign contract for. But if you sign contract for a game, why would that even go out? shit make no sense man, why cant it just work like movie?
I guess it is just capcom signing a shit contract
I know i'm replying to b8 but they probably earn a cool million every three seconds.
EU
oh god, is this going to push subscription services on us on all stores?
does this push precedent on all digital store fronts or, somehow, just steam?
will this just kill all indie devs that can't be hooked by a big publisher?
Because it would apply on all platforms.
god damn devs are gonna be mad as HELL.
I am assuming epic and gog will have to do the same right?
Well RIP steam,gog,epic.
My library will die. ;-;
oops sorry my bad let me try again
>NOOOOOOOO I NEED TO GET RESELL FOR GAME I BEAT 10 GORILLION TIMES AND ENJOYED BUT I WANNA RESELL IT BECAUSE ITS MY RIGHT AND I JUST REALISED AFTER BEATING THE GAME 3 MEGATRILLION TIMES THAT IT BARLEY HAS CONTENT SO SHUT THE FUCK UP I NEED TO RESELL MY GAMES EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE REVIEWS FOR THE GAME ONLINE AND THERE ARE VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE THAT SHOWS ME HOW THE GAME LOOKS.
better fag?
Shouldn't this law effect all digital licences?
Shouldn't this law effect Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft?
Shouldn't this law effect all software publishers that distribute licences?
This is stupid.
You think Steam earns 75,920 million a year? Almost $76B dollars?
This court case only affects France, but France is a pretty big player in the EU, and the actual consumer protection laws are similar in most EU countries. It's likely that whatever policy Steam takes in response to this will cover most of Europe, at least.
It's not defending corporations you fucking retard, it's being realistic, if something like reselling used games becomes a thing companies will be less likely to put their games on Steam, they're the ones making the games after all.
>yes
>everything
>huge damage
BUT VALVE GOT BTFO
I understand your point, but giving people more right to choose isn't a bad thing. When you're the developer of those indie game, yeah, sure, it's a bad move, but as consumers, that's not a bad thing.
I know, you should put yourself in the boots of the other, but if you could have the right to sell games that you don't enjoy no more on steam, you would do it right ?
>companies will be less likely to put their games on Steam
So they'll sell on consoles, where there already is a reselling of games?
NO, STEAM BAD
in all honesty, this could push console platforms to become subscription based outside of just needing gold, plus, whatever fuck the nintendo thing is, to be able to play your digital games, and boom, subscription model
It's a french interpretation of the law at this point. Different member states can interpret the laws differently until a precedent is set on a higher level. Unless they take it to the EU court and get the same ruling there it should be France only.
i don't what's french for seething but you're it
I can sell my digital games on console?
what, the, fuck, is this sentence?
well sure, it obviously benefits someone. but the final decision is a balancing act, you cant weight it all to one side or the other will just opt out completely. imagine if sales went down by like half because of this (not saying it would be that severe, but for the example). why would indie devs even bother anymore? they cant live off that money.
As much as piracy did, I'd bet.
You can already buy grey-market unclaimed Steam keys that have probably been involved in credit card fraud at some point, but most people don't, because it's just more convenient to buy games from the regular Steam store.
in games you pay the actor once
in movies the actor gets royalties for the movie for the rest of his life
>"games as a service" shit and subscription model.
lets ban that next
Who would have thought using propaganda based on zero facts or reason wouldn't work??
im not sure i would, i have almost 800 games fora reason - hoarding mentality. i havent ever even installed like 70% of them but i still want them there just in case. how much could i even make off all the old shit in my library anyway? it wouldnt be worth it
Where's the website that lets me put up sell all of my digital games instantly to the chinese trade bots?
It should, but it wont. People, especially older people in government dont see consoles and pc the same. Not to mention most consoles dont have a market specifically for selling stuff to each other.
good, the console market will become digital soon enough as well. we need more competition, this is why epic is a good thing as well. More money to the devs, less greed from gaben and his monopoly. Better games and services in the long run.
>yeah you should own your games so you should be able to resell them
>valve switches to a subscription model
>now you own your games even less than ever before
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
ah, so now hyperbole is not in effect, check
Again, though, Valve, once again, in the near future, of course, plans to, inevitably, plans to, to the surprise of no-one, appeal, to the betterment of gaming, the ruling.
dilate
You can't just ban subscription.
cope
what a fucking idiot
Even bit of gameplay footage could not tell what all the game have in store. Just for the example, Gears 5.
The game played well in all those youtubers video, jackfrags and other dude played it and said it was cool and all, the modes were fun etc.
Launch day comes, the servers are unplayable, the optimization is a fuck up on some graphic cards, and I could not play with a friend for at least 1 week and an half.
What do you do in that case ? Gears 5 was just an example of it, but the question remain
Steam earns closer to $1M a year than they are to earning $76B a year.
I know a lot of people don't use those, because you can very easily get scammed or ripped off, I know I have, if I was able to use the steam interface to do so, I would totally use it, but the ramifications are hilariously massive. Unless you can assure everyone wants your game, no one is going to buy it new.
you dont buy on launch. its not hard. control your impulses, there are a million old games that are verified great that you havent played, i guarantee it
Because in the end it's anti-consumer masquerading as pro-consumer. Developers will take actions to circumvent this, such as a slide towards F2P, progressive unlocks, microtransactions, subscription models, etc, if it means they dodge this ruling. The market shift and viability of the old ways is about to die in favor of false ideals.
ok, then you're definitely dilate
STOP
Oh yeah you are right, I completely forgot about the whole royalty thing
The thing about the grey market is that it is sketchy, legitimized resale of digital goods is convenient and holds none of the stigma of buying pre-owned since you can't find boogers or a pube in a pre-owned games license.
and there's nothing wrong with it, that's the point of a resell
you resell stuff you don't want anymore for money, no matter how many time you used it
so this magically only effects steam, bugman?
only because theyre all failed movie actors who have shitty agents. with how big games are it should work like movies by now
My wife Chie is so cute.
Oh you were serious about that. Okay.
Steam earns a little more than that per year, sweetie.
Defenders of corporations get the guillotine first.
can't wait for steam to change it from buy to rent or "license to play" ill laugh at everyone. why? because piratechads win
time will tell
so say, why are you against consumer rights?
We'll never get Half Life 3 at this rate.
yes
I understand that feeling of "In case I wanna play it one day but will probably never play it". But I don't know, I think that it's good to have the choice. Like you don't know ? Maybe one day, you will see an indie game that you want to try, it's like 5 dollars or else on steam, maybe get rid of thing you know you will not play it, and try the indie game. I don't know, I like the way of choosing, but eh, if you don't, that's great too, you want a cool library, keep it like this.
Just having the choice is cool.
t.commie
But corporations are the reason why your favorite games exist.
Why didn't France sue all digital storefronts instead of Steam only? Do they have some kind of agenda against Valve?
If this becomes widespread it will literally force developers to use pay to win, microtransactions, and subscription based payments to profit, not to mention it would kill indie gaming. No one should be defending this.
basé et rougepilulé
they want tf3 mate
because product I liked fell under the original license idea and products I don't like are under subscription services, which is one of those points I thought everyone hated
everyone likes to think it's just gonna be an epic ownage on all those mega huge publishers like bethesda or activision, while not giving two shits what it could mean for the already dying indie market, which, if you're obnoxious, strictly means the death of pixelshit games, but there's some gold in them there indie devs.
Going after the biggest fish in order to set a precedent makes sense if you ask me.
Ladies and gentleman, american education.
real men don't play games incel
>it will kill the video game industry
sound like a good thing, some people Yea Forums has always been talking about the next crash, this is now the chance
Braindead mutt.
Like they are not doing that already
That's a good thing.
Why france only sue steam and not playstore, appstore, or even other media platform like itunes and so on?
Extremely redpilled post detected.
yeah, my thing wasnt really an argument for not allowing resales. but it just seems like itll hurt the industry more than itll help players. what do you reckon the percentage of games purchased on steam are even purchased full price?
the more days you'e not paying the more it's raised, so it can escalate real quick for them
Or maybe they could try making normal "proper" games again. If they cant do that they can all fuck the right off too, at least there will be less trash clogging the market.
I think those are actually subscription based models, most of them usually are anyways
good fuck them
>mfw all those things already happened even when we didn't even talk about reselling digital goods
Good fucking ridden I say
Basé et rouge-pillulé.
No they can't. You cannot refuse to sell your game to only one country from the European union. If you wish so, you would have to stop selling your games to the entirety of the EU.
Going after everyone at once isn't feasible, they want a leading case.
This will affect the whole industry, right? Origin, Epic, Sony, Nintendo etc? If so, we'll about to see a second gaming crash, for AAA at least.
Based Frogs. Always ahead on consumer friendly laws and practices. The French have a history of pro-cosumer movements and its a good mindset to have for any country.
>b-but poor gaben and steam! The french are cucks!
The biggest cucks are people who are happy to let Valve and other companies shaft them every which way for no reason other than being fan boys. Valve despise people sharing games (family sharing locks people out) since they don't get money from it. This stops their greedy practise which is no better than the online pass bullshit of the past.
>France
This will bring down single player games even farther. Lots of people will just sell it after a play through, which will make them less profitable for devs to make.
If the customer can sell the game without a dev getting a cut they're just going to make more shitty live service games.
>.......
>TimSweendog1970 has logged out.
not him but how come nintendo and other mxt gacha can just stopped their "services" and games on belgium/netherland? is it because they are free to start? or it is a different things because it is based on android / ios store?
i want to learn more
What the?!?
Don't know really. I mean, there are a lot of games going cheap and getting to top seller not far after launch, but things like gears 5, or even ni no kuni are in top sellers and they are at full price. But you're right, most of them are sales on AAA, or just indie cutting the price.
Do Sony and Nintendo allow you to refund digital games like Steam? If not then no it'll probably only affect Steam.
Are they just taking those suitcases? Don't those belong to people
>Lots of people
doesn't mean most, i wouldn't sell games i like
based as fuck
holy crap he is younger and thousand time richer than my dad but he looks so fucking older
Someone needs to drop a nuclear bomb on that shithole NOW
This will hurt indies more than AAAs. AAAs make most of their money upfront. Indies depend on a healthy long tail for residual sales. Who's going to buy a $15 game from the developer when you can buy it for $14 "used"?
lowest iq posts in the thread
hopefully you don't ever breed (not an issue I think)
Lol the fr*Nch revolution was the biggest catastrophe of the past millennium.
People actually used to buy and sell quite a lot of used games, back in the age of physical media, and yet somehow games still exist.
And if they do die? Well, I guess that means that selling software was never a viable business model under the capitalist system, and legislation has just been slow to catch up. Maybe the open-source community will start making some good games. If not, I probably have enough of a Steam backlog to last the rest of my natural life.
yes for both sony and nintendo, but with limit and reason of course
Can France please sue Comcast™ so I can sell the movies I bought?
Also can France please sue Apple™ so I can sell my music from iTunes™?
>lowest iq
>posts no arguement
>le epic Yea Forums meme
In which oriface do you prefer your boots?
Based.
French consumer bull forces gabens greedy jew hands and shits all over devs and publishers.
Can't wait for this in rest of EU.
>ask a question
>>low iq
You must be retarded
Why would anyone ever buy used software? If you aren't buying it to support the dev there's literally no reason to not pirate. I'm surprised anyone gives a shit about this at all.
why are frogs so out of touch? this could potentially kill gaming in general if other countries followed cuz no publisher will want to developed full AAA titles that will get massively resold by everyone
That kid should go drink some water.
they will just move to streaming games
games will become like netflix so publishers dont have to worry about people reselling their movies
does comcast even operate or selling their shit in france?
Bien, très bien.
I don't really give a yarrr but whatever.
>tfw library is so big that I could honestly do with downsizing it from all the humble bundle and random crap I've accumulated over the years
>people are fighting over this idea because "muh gaming is gonna die"
It would be better because it would separate the wheat from the chaff.
If a game is good, people will buy it.
If a game is bad, people will try and pawn it off to somebody else to try and recoup what they lost.
I don't see how this is a bad thing.
imagine being a brainwashed Amerifat
those are actual subscriptions, but they're not video games, so those corporations aren't bad :^)
Are you so retarded that you can't see any other consequences to this other then derrrrr i get more money?
>kill gaming in general
And that's a bad thing how exactly?
maybe the publisher jews will be forced to start making physical pc copies again
no matter how you look at this we win
It's been in the TOS that you don't own shit on Steam, since day 1.
the fr*Nch aren't going to change shit, so no reason to get your hopes up.
ikr? What if they decide you can resell physical copies of games? What will happen then?
Why is it always Steam getting sued?
They got sued for not allowing refunds despite not being the only ones, they got sued for loot boxes despite not being the only ones, and now they get sued for not allowing the resell of digital games despite not being the only one? Really makes you think.
>mfw i can resell digital smug anime girls
>thinking jews won't double down
you're already always online, why not just pay to be so? :^)
They are the biggest.
Because it's cheaper. This will essentially be piracy for people who are afraid/too stupid to pirate. How many people are legitimately going to pay full price to support the dev when there's a convenient and completely legal secondhand store built into the client where you can acquire the exact same game for less money?
ain't they the literal biggest digital video game seller online? if they can get valve then they can get everybody else
It'd be nice if the French did something right for once and changed that.
I have my doubts though.
Steam isn't being sued, they're just the target of the litigation. If the Valve appeal fails it will apply to every digital storefront in France.
>why steam
Its the biggest.
eu law > french law
physical vs digital
i am not aware of people selling their digital console games.
because majority of pcfags are thirdworlders. You think valve and EA dont salivate at the thought of paid subscription for steam/origin? The entire pc market now is held afloat by f2p and lootboxes
I asked the question before somewhere in the thread but this is interesting, would this make the devs to never lower their price or would this make the devs to go on sale often to compete with the resell prices
You're retarded if you think games from Humble Bundle which are activated in your account will be eligible for resale, assuming resale will happen.
I love how people don't understand that this is all set up by Google to make developers invest more into game streaming services and kill owning games as a concept.
When do you think the russians and chinese will create bots that buy games at undercut prices in order to turn around and resell them instantly?
my concern is the possible implications of such a system.
entertain the idea:
>new game is released
>costs $60 on release
>bunch of niggas buy game on release
>finish game, resell for less than original price
>plebs buy because it's cheaper
>across the board, game dev sees less money than they would have if such a resell system didn't exist
>they still need to make ends meet
>12 billion iq idea
>microtransactions, lootboxes, skins
>all of that shit
>now ever game has this shit and game progression is heavily reliant on these gimmicks because otherwise devs / publishers won't turn a profit
obviously at first sight this is a win for the consumers, but is this not literally asking for an even shittier gaming landscape than we currently have; even more base content would be cut and shipped as dlc instead, microtransactions, skins, subscription services like WoW
don't the potential consequences significantly outweigh the potential benefits, or am i missing something?
You should only be allowed to resale to steam and he back 2% of what you payed. And that's only if its forced by France.
Selling digital games to other people will kill game development funds or force users to pay the difference in other ways.
Anyone who supports this to the fullest extent is a shill.
Fucking royalist shills
Louis XVI aka citizen Capet is NOT my rightful ruler, he is a tyrant and probably a german as well
why would they do that when in the end you only end up with steambuck?
>sell the game to some schmuck
>he then sells the game to some other schmuck while steam gets a service fee for using their platform as a market
>rinse and repeat
whats the problem?
no it wont. now people know they can buy a singleplayer for 60, and sell it for 55.
digital copies, no "used" reasons to drop price.
devs lose a cut, so what? they already do with Gamestop. this will help gaming
It wouldn't effect anyone else even if Valve did bend a knee. That would undermine their whole platform.
I doubt they will cave anyways. They would leave France before allowing the sale of keys that are already on an account.
Wrong, but a nice attempt.
If all EU law superseded an EU member state law, every country in the EU would have identical laws and no need for legislation or elected representatives.
But physical games have been allowed to be resold since the start of the industry, yet it is still here. So why would it happen if digital games are allowed to be resold?
How does the dev make money in all this.
The system for refunds was already draconian at best, but possible because of the Aussies laws. The French wanting a system in place for everyone to resell their fucking CD-Keys back to other people is probably going to go the way of Quake Champions dealing with Russian voicechat, and remove the French from the store. If there's a logical, sane way to handle this kind of system, someone let me know, because as far as I know, you can still just sell your Steam account with the games on it.
it's affect
Go to Paris right now. Full of nogs. Clearly a """"victory.""""
AUX ARMES, CITOYENS
>>microtransactions, lootboxes, skins
any company who does microtransactions do that anyway irregardless. It would be bad business not to at this point.
Okay, thanks for the pointless correction. (You)
that logic doesnt stand. Singleplayer games will sell just as well initially, then Devs just have to use sales to compete with aftermarket player trading.
Retards all over this thread thinking somehow Devs will stop making singleplayer... you do know Gamestop exists?
The problem with selling digital games is the item never degrades, it's as good 20 years from now as it was when you bought it. It's as good after 20 people used it as when it was brand new and nobody had used it. So there is no negative to buying it 2nd hand from someone else. So you can buy a game, sell it to someone, they can sell it to someone, they can sell it to someone and on and on and it's as good as brand new. This means 10 people etc can get full use out of a game that the developer sold once, so instead of making $600 they make $60.
This means that developers / publishers could end up selling far far fewer copies and making far less money because large numbers of people just end up buying "used"
This would literally lead to a video game crash, or at least far smaller budgets.
you can, just like steam can't run certain games in germany. steam doesn't have to stay in a country just because france wants to enforce a law on it lmao, this guy u replied to is retarded
Which is why used games ruined video games
>let murderous immigrants into your country and force your citizen to spread their assholes for them
>but you inconvenience Valve a little so it's all good
welcome to the world of art trade
it's an over-saturated market for products that take a incredible amount of time to create compared to how the average consumer treats that product. What do you expect?
You can still use steambucks to buy virtual items like tf2 items and sell those for real world currencies. Russians do it a lot to launder money.
With physical games there are a lot of benefits in purchasing a new copy, a digital "used" game is effectively the same as if you bought it straight from the marketplace.
So many commies in this thread.
Imagine thinking buying something and then selling it is bad.
Lmaoing at your life.
Whats next?
Selling houses = bad?
>you don't own the game
>you own the right to access it
Lmao this is the best argument for piracy, fuck the cucked paypigs
who are you quoting?
Yes, well, according to the High Court of Paris, the TOS isn't legally enforceable. Since the High Court of Paris represents the French government, which nominally represents the collective will of the people of France, they do have some say in that.
I don't think so but someone needs to sue them.
I mean the individual movies and songs that I bought, not the subscription itself.
right, because people are dumb enough to buy a resold game for full price instead of buying it from valve when its on sale
Considering how shit the industry is right now it can only be a good thing
Valve isn't a french company. How can a French court exert any authority over them?
A lot of people are americans indeed
>EvErYOnE wHo ReFuSe To SuPpOrT GrEeDy AmErICaN cOrPoRaTiOnS iS a ShILL.
get fucked burgertard hahahahahahahaha
It shouldn't be hard for Valve to implement a system where you can re-package a library game into a key or a gift style package you can sell in the community market... I mean I still have giftable copies of Bioshock and Eternal crusade in my inventory..
If they want to sell games in France they have to follow french law.
>NOOOOO!!!
>HOW DARE YUROFAGS TRY TO KILL AMERICAN CORPORATIONS LIKE EA, ACTIVISION AND VALVE!!
oh the horror
Imagine loving so much sucking big corporations cock
America, land of the good goys.
Or what?
Here is what you need to keep in mind:
Publishers will not just accept this, if this became law they will give you a barebones game and then put all the rest of the data on a server or something, each new level would have to be streamed off a server.
They will find some way to fuck you.
More like people are dumb enough to pay for virtual toys when they can just pirate
nobody here actually cares because clearly you can see the risk out weighs the reward.
the risk being developers get less money and they add loot boxes and all that fuckery into the game to make ends meet
>"they will just have to be forced to make better games now"
yeah with a higher chance of it having all the stupid shit like in-game currency and all that.
>lots of benefits in buying a new copy
Like what?
Besides, Steam would have to host a reselling marketplace, how hard would it be for resold digital games to not have their preorder/new copy content?
Shocking that people are happy paying Gaben for games that they aren't even allowed to own, nor lend to a friend without getting locked out of their Steam account.
damn, how much are those stupid items that is enough to launder money
you buy apps on playstore and appstore
and you buy music on itunes
>Multiplayer only
>future
so you dont remember all those multiplayer only arena shooters that EVERYONE played?
this is gonna push the industry into the service meme for good
It's over, we lost. Thanks frogs for ruining gaming.
Humble bundle is going to go out of business for sure.
knowing that there will be people reselling the game, probably pretty soon, after release will stop some people bothering to buy it. i mean, i dont really care about AAA, and theyll be less affected anyway because of all the marketing, but i think itd definitely hurt indie devs
fair enough, i don't play games that feature microtransactions to know enough about this, but what about cutting content and making more dlc, or emergence of more games using monthly subscription models?
seems to me like ultimately the devs / publishers see less money if they make games using current standards, and would inevitably shift to charging more for the same amount of content (by cutting it from base and selling as dlc), or charging monthly.
>people think Valve is going to create some kind of Steam marketplace where people can buy and sell used games
Imagine being this delusional
this, people will say "only poor fags pirate" but at least we wouldn't have to deal with shit like this
>ruining gaming.
Americans already did that with kike practices.
The French are just putting it out of its misery.
If you buy a product, you should be able to sell it also. This is not rocket science, just basic customer protection.
The reason most people don't pirate is really simple.
Imagine you can pay for food or you can get free food, but the person giving you the free food might of shit in it. You're gonna buy the food instead unless you're starving and poor.
That's what pirating is, you might get viruses, trojans etc and publishers partake in poisoning the well too.
Most people don't know how to pirate safely, so they just buy the games.
How do you sell used "digital" products?
This is retarded. France will never win. Digital products never decrease in value.
This will absolutely kill indie gaming and will make AAA games implement draconian methods to bypass this.
We should start hoarding games, the second crash is coming.
This will only force game devs to make highly replayable games with constant updates if they want to compete on the steam pc market.
Console users can always sell games they don't want, adding more funds into more games, or funds in general.
or you can have a ginormous galaxy brain like and become a business
This fixes so much shit in vydia currently.
Anyone who doesn't want this is very and unironically unbased and gay.
wouldn't it be funny if this goes through but valve makes it so when you sell a game you get steam gems instead of steam funbucks
TL;DR please.
Huge fines. Valve right now pay enormous fines for ignoring the EU directive saying they can't geoblock between EU countries.
No because the product never degrades, it's perfect when resold. That means reselling has no negatives to the consumer and will destroy the business of making the products.
>Thanks frogs for ruining gaming.
Implying it was not ruined already by you greedy fucks and your mentally ill leftist developers.
You can't resell it if you didn't own it in the first place. You should have read the ToS before buying.
French courts said that not being able to resell games violates new EU digital marketplace regulations.
>epic store
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Valve Forced to Open Used Games Store
Is there anything in the ruling compelling them to actively facilitate the reselling of games?
How can they force a foreign company with no physical presence to pay these fines?
>This will absolutely kill indie gaming
And?
Just check the community market. People usually sell items on paypal at around 20%-50% less than market price. I haven't traded tf2 items in a while, but keys are still worth $2.41, which means there are probably still a lot of people who are willing to buy it for $2 in real world dosh.
We already have user-made virtual marketplaces like dispenser.tf and scrap.tf that let people bulk sell games that they've hoarded from sales. I wouldn't be surprised if you'd be able to friend request a bot and trade it games instantly for a set amount of virtual currency.
Gold doesn't degrade, but you'd expect to be able to resell a gold bullion if you ever bought one.
>dumb ass shit food analogy
never fucking change Yea Forums
>Digital products never decrease in value
So how come older games on steam are sold for less than newer ones?
>you might get viruses, trojans etc
No, you won't.
Stop living in the fucking 00s. Windows automatically deletes files that are considered viruses. When they don't, they heavily warn you before hand. All browsers, even IE, have protection against viruses.
The most common way for people in the 2010s is via e-mail because people are retarded, not videogames with viruses hiding in rar files.
It would kill licenses and lead to subscription and streaming based services. Be careful what you wish for.
I mean I can sell honey too?
I can't find the logic in your nonsense.
By threatening to block their access to their market. Also valve have a lot of money in luxembourg for tax avoidance purposes.
Real life
The eternal american goy
>How do you sell used "digital" products?
how the fuck steam sell all that cs go skins around then?
And that's a bad thing. There's a lot of great indie games. Indie devs take risks and produce niche games that you simply won't get out of AAA devs and publishers.
This. Daily reminder the Refund policy of Steam did not affect AAA games at all. But it completely ruined the career of several indie developers.
Remember Phil Fish.
Good. This is correct.
This is as all things should be. Someone please explain to me why FRANCE (of all places) is ahead of the rest of the world on consumer rights.
so how does that affect me? I doubt Valve will do anything about it since they probably earn much more than 3,000 from France alone.
yes because I subscribe to best buy and get infinite TVs.
>pay these fines
>"no"
>we will heavily tax any product you sell, putting people off from buying it
>"no"
>then enjoy not being able to conduct business in the EU
bruh we are basically communists
They can't do shit about big corporations like Google, so clueless as they are they use a (in their mind) smaller company to set a precedent
Not really.
Those of us who care about indie games will support our indie developers and obviously not wreck them through re-selling keys.
Just like we don't refund their games every 2 hours for a free playthrough of their titles ;)
Dude the French are hella based about this shit. They riot regularly if you try and fuck their rights. There's a reason the yellow vest movement has had such staying power. The French riot, and they do it a lot.
because making american seeth is one of french specialty
remember the whole iraq war and freedom fries?
Well, the courts don't agree with the ToS, so it's not valid.
Steam owns everything, the skins, your games, your account. You are paying to lease the games for the duration of Steam's existence.
They ALLOW you to trade skins using real money. They don't allow you to trade games, since it would kill their whole platform, or any games platform that allows it. There would never be a reason to buy new games. The same few keys would be in circulation forever.
People will whine JEWS, but this is what capitalism is.
they can't even make them pay taxes, plus 3,000 fine is nothing for them
>And that's a bad thing.
Yeah no, the indie market is over saturated with garbage.
And yeah making it niche and taking risks isn't smart if you wanna make a business selling games. Indietards are something else.
The EU goes after google all the time.
>corporations getting dabbed on to death
hahahaha
>amerimutts seething at corporations getting dabbed to death
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is not remotely the same, refunds are restricted and only affects short games.
meanwhile reselling games affects all industry.
They set the terms of how Valve is permitted to do business in France. They'll have to decide between doing what France says, and cutting off the entire French market.
That latter option is actually even worse than it seems. Not only would they lose the French revenue, they'd have competitors swarming in to fill the void, and those competitors would push right out of France into the international market. Either Epic, new French operators, or outright piracy.
Valve is never going to comply, a 3000 fine is absolutely nothing to them
>implying anything will come of it
It won't stop there. Because it's an EU directive the courts ruled Valve were in violation of it could spread to every EU member state very quickly.
Yeah, this is worse. So expect all gaming to die.
>Physical
>Store buys game(s)
>Store sales game to make profit
>Guy buys it
>Beats it
>Wants to resale it
>Either resales it to store for miniscule amount
>Or resale on eBay for $20 less than retail copy
>Since it's easier to get a retail copy and there's usually sales, overall easier, most people go with this option.
>If people chose to buy resales more only the store is affected
>Digital
>Every sale directly impacts the digital and developer
>A percentage of profit covers hidden fees etc
>User decides he wants to resale
>Sale back to steam for miniscule gain
>Steam directly takes a cutin profit
>Or user resales to another user
>Steam takes a bigger loss and so does developer
>If it's as easy as buying normal games and is at a better price more people will go with the resale option
>Steam, developer, and users take a loss
That simple
I have never had any respect for DRM and the whole "you can't re-sell your license once it's used once!"-mentality that came with Steam back when it launched.
If I for some reason want to rid myself of a title from my library and pass it on, I should be able to do that.
Just like I can with my physical CDs.
(Which I've never done.. so I have hundreds of CDs laying about - just like I figure I would end up never wanting to give away my CD keys off of Steam, even if I could)
I think people are blowing the re-sell out of proportions and think it'll be a thing much more than it will, just because it can.
They do? Someone should tell Activision then
based valve
So then make it that I own the game I buy?
you guys act like selling used games is a new and foreign thing
devs can now get a cut from used games
It's litterally better than the '90s for everyone
nothing
LMAO
It's funny because arcane titles are still priced the same as they were on release.
Fuck Activision and other AAA-companies.
>Yeah no, the indie market is over saturated with garbage.
So? That doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of good indie games. Good games are worth any amount of bad games existing. You don't have to buy or play bad games.
>And yeah making it niche and taking risks isn't smart if you wanna make a business selling games.
It's worked well enough for plenty of indie devs up to this point. It won't anymore if they have to compete against people selling their own games for cheaper.
>devs can now get a cut from used games
source?
These days, you're almost as likely to get first-party spyware, put in the official game downloads by the developer to squeeze some extra marketing data out of you. The real reason people don't pirate games is that Steam is more convenient.
You can't on Steam. Nothing is stopping you otherwise.
>other than the entire gaming market going to the same "lease" concept and physical games being phased out on consoles and more or less already complete on PC
You can damage your jewelry or coins. You can't damage a digital product.
Honey isn't a good comparison because you typically eat honey and shit it out. You can't do the same with a digital game because a "used" digital game is no different than a freshly bought version of it.
See ya in the European Parliament then, faggot.
it's possible now, if valve actually cares
>can't do shit about big corporations like Google
Google recently got fined almost a billion dollars by the EU.
>smaller companies
Steam is small reletive to Google, but part of a multi-billion dollar corporation. So not sure if I should feel sorry for them.
>companies and indies won't make as much money
:'(
easy fix implement 30-60day cooldown before u can sell
Fuck AAA industry,idgaf about the dev's man I only want shit that will benefit me it ain't that hard to get unless y'all retarded, you guys keep paying and I'll do what I want you can't tell people what to do
>is no different
Except it's bound to be old.
Imagine the crowd of people who won't purchase new games because "meh, it's more of the same old shit", but then a year or so later someone offers to re-sell their copy of it and suddenly it's still "new shit", but it's sufficiently cheap for the consumer to go, "meh, might as well".
This is the same as with piracy.. people pirate what they can't be assed to purchase, not what they REALLY NEED TO GET THEIR HANDS ON NOW OMG. No one loses from this.
>Windows automatically deletes files that are considered viruses
And thats actually a problem, theres plenty of craxks that get automatically deleted by win defender so you need to to turn it off.
Also plenty of tools used for pirating and mountinng install plenty of adware if you're not careful.
Daemon tools for example willinstall trash if you ont read all check boxes. same for uTorrent.
*sues you*
"What do you mean i can't just sell my game?"
we need to nuke these fucking frogs
they are helping AAA games treat us like shit because "lol its just a service, and you can't resell services"
In order to get gold in a pile of shit, you still have to dig in shit.
I see no problem with this, indie games are garbage.
>implying people don't wait for lower prices
>implying any game will go on sale / reduce in price after 30-60 days
>implying this won't exacerbate the problem as now people will buy the game and resell for even less, further undercutting the actual retail price
yeah, the fix is 'easy' when you don't think it through.
>install plenty of adware if you're not careful
you deserve it
also the only tool you need for pirating is PowerIso or DaemonTools, and as far I as know, nowadays you don't even need those to run iso, windows does it by itself.
>using utorrent
lol
>When you rent your house, you pay taxes for this
Jesus fucking christ man, what fucking dystopic shithole do you live in?
Cheap games bad
Profits good
>"wooooooooow everyone gets $1500 a month.I can finally afford the things I want"
>....
>"What the hell? Why is milk $75 now"
wrong
for new games this just isnt true
for old games, this could be true to an extent, but thats already true of physical distribution. an old Digital game is generally marked down heavily or on 1$ seasonal sales
Your argument specifically implies that gold user is gonna be a retard with his coins, and I'm going to eat the honey instead of reselling it in a business sense.
Honey never goes bad, and gold never degrades.
You can't counter an argument with a strawman.
thisssss
you fucking idiots
This is actually what the French are trying to stop you mutt.
If this is what Capitalism looks like, then I don't want it.
>"Yes, now I can play all the games I want AND make the money back, who cares if developers lose a little money*
>...
>"What the hell? Now I need to pay a subscription to games I own, there's more dlc and incomplete games, and games are shit now. What happened?"
the funnies part is that third world countries with the lower minimal wages the products tend to be more expensive in general compared to first world countries with higher minimal wages
How is this even related you retard, do you know how many farmers other then the big corporations sell milk.
Based French. Corporations btfo by the eternal Francophone.
It's not the same but have your fun I guess.
Hold on, it that a shitty food analogy I see before me?
>your business model is spending enormous amounts of money to develop a product that, once finished, can be infinitely copied and redistributed by anyone with access to a computer
Sounds like it's time for these "developers" to learn about capitalism.
>*minimum
>*in the
fixed
Why would we need to pay subs? This is just gonna make gamers own the product on steam instead of buying their service as stated in the TOS.
And based retard if people are gonna be selling their shitty games, devs are just gonna have to resort to making actual good games.
Vive la France!
>Ctrl+F:Rance
no results but France
this thread has really shown me how unrelentingly fucking stupid amerisharts are on here