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based frogs

Yeah, that not going to happen.

It's being appealed. Could be overturned.

But if it sticks: what does right to resell mean? Resell back to Steam? That's basically a less limited refund policy. Right to sell to other users? It's bizarre to force an online store to provide the means for third-party sellers to do business through its service, but okay. I just wonder how it would all work, logistically.

Based, fuck Steamfags

Every game will just get an item token that can be sold on the auction house so Steam gets their cut.

Steam will not be available in france much longer lol

Based 70 year old boomers in the parlament that have no idea what digital means

Let me counter that.
If I buy a lawn chair from walmart, they should not be forced to provide me with a platform to sell it off secondhand.
If it comes with a walmart brand tracker that forbids anyone but me from sitting on it? Someone gotta service it when I sell it off.

so steam is no longer avsilable to frenchies. RIP

why is a country within the EU allowed to have their own courts and enacts laws? that doesn't seem very productive

Nah it will be all of the EU if it sticks.

Imagine being this much of a corporate shill.
Bet you take an epic dildo in your anus too.

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based bootlickers
That's the problem of digital, let them figure it out now then, faggot
and the US states don't do the same thing?

why is a state within the US allowed to have their own courts and enact laws? that doesn't seem very productive

Same as state vs federal law. Some things the EU as a whole does not care about.

Because they are separate countries within a union.

I don't see the problem.

I'm not ironic

steam is fucked, but for righteous reasons.
every customer has a right to own their purchase.

>limiting this to only steam
why can't i sell my vidya i have on other stores??

Makes sense. You can sell your car, your clothes, your house, your used video games, or anything else you can buy. What would be different with digital games? Its your property, you can do what you want with it.

easy to abuse ala Dominican alcohol.

the digital marketplace is different from the physical marketplace because the hypothetical provided venue is “easier” to provide.
if you buy a lawn chair from amazon, they give you the option to sell it back to another person using their website.

This means everything digital and dematerialized has the right to be resold like a material object could be.
Everything e- WILL be shitting their shorts because it's not just Valve who will be impacted. Digital games, digital music, digital books, digital art--ALL of it will have the right to be resold.

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Doesn't look that old to me

I'm sure Steam will totally just stop operating entirely in the country of France, that's a very realistic scenario.

And how is the fact that you do not own steam games, but a licence, not been thrown on the table already?
If you pay for cable TV, are you allowed to resell some of the channels you don't like?

Wondering how something would be implemented makes me a bootlicker? Fuck off retard.

>Implying getting money back from products purchased is a problem

Politicians dont think logically. They just make a policy, vote it to pass then implementations doesn't fall on their hands.

Cable is more of a subscription tho

Because that's factually not the case.

youtu.be/tUAX0gnZ3Nw

>It's MY Borderlands 3, I bought it
>I can make copies of it, it's mine
>Now I sell 5 million of them for $2

Why do I suddenly get this really bad feeling that stuff like this is going to transform the landscape of gaming and Streaming services truly do become the future? A world of video games no one but the creators own anymore all because "people would just resell them anyway, fuck it."

YES, yes, I get it. But you don't OWN your games in steam to begin with, you don't have the installer on your pc and if your account gets banned you lose all your games forever. Only GOG actually sells you games, everyone else just lets you play them for a fee.

You don't own your games in steam, you just pay a fee to play them. Also, think GOG. You buy a game, you get the installer. How could you ever sell that to anyone else? How could the developers make sure that you deleted your copy before selling it? You just cant refund digital, it doesn't work like these boomer policians tards think it does.

Imagine being an anime poster and liking f2p games

>I love to lick corporate boot and just accept everything they tell me, like that I don't own the things I pay money for. After all, corporations would never lie to me. My masters want the best for me.

You can't sell games like that because it's breaks the copyright laws.
It's all about one line in TOS
>"you can't sell your steam account"
that's it

Noooo! Sales are supposed to be final. How can we help defend Gaben against these activist courts

because the EU is not a country. It does not have a democratically elected government.

If this spreads in the EU then G2A will corner the entire market

>TOS
>legally binding
So do you live under a desk or what?

part of the reason I don't really buy PC games until they are heavily discounted is because no resell value. Don't know how logistics would work, but it'd be nice. Valve has a fucking virtual hat economy, so why not digital game licenses?

youtu.be/EmRD4ntKGuw
Here's an interview with one of the lawyers who worked on the case. It's in french, so you gotta use subtitles

this but unironically

When you buy a game on DVD you don't own the game either. You buy a license. That license is permanently tied to the physical DVD and if you sell the DVD you sell the license with it.

All this does is encourage DRM and games as service even further. The average fuck can't completely replicate a physical copy of a game disc included, what's stopping people from buying a digital copy and then "re-selling" multiple pirated copies? Or keeping a copy for themselves before selling it?

This is the country that made it illegal to perform paternity tests without a judge's permission, fuck the french

Are you retarded?

a terms of service does not trump european law. The law stipulates that digital products are still products and consumers have the right to sell their products if they want. Every piece of software or music or whatever is essentially a permit to use that copy of their property, but youre still allowed to sell your copy. The same applies to games.
Steam needs to provide players the option to do with their games as the cosumer pleases, they do not need to provide a marketplace for people to exchange their games on.
For example they could give you the option to remove the game from your library and transfer legal ownership of your copy to another person, like selling the serial code that let you install it to begin with. This doesnt have to be limited to their platform.

It worked great for Oracle and SAP. Wait no, it didn't.
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pcworld.com/article/2058460/sap-cant-restrict-software-resales-german-court-rules.html

coulda fooled me, Germany and France rule Europe, just like California and New York rule America.

nobody else is important

I'm honestly more curious about how it will affect companies like Adobe.

>strawmanning because you don't have a proper counter-argument

TOS cant overrule the laws of a country.
TOS only work for stuff that is in grey-areas that arent legally defined by the government.
The government doesnt care about what you and your lawyers defined

Some countries already overruled "Software as a Service" as actually products, which share the same properties to any physical product you ever bought, despite what the TOS says

Finally the French are doing something good.

Why do you think they moved to a subscription model ?

>TOS cant overrule the laws of a country.
>TOS only work for stuff that is in grey-areas that arent legally defined by the government.
>The government doesnt care about what you and your lawyers defined
What are talking about, you BRAINDEAD faggot. Learn how to read

Due to the rule that there are two senators per state, patches of sand and grass between the coasts have a lot of say.

>lawyer
that's a fucking writer for a magazine.

As much it would benefit me to sell my keys this is pretty retarded.

Thank you France. Will fap to hairy women today in honour of France.

how do we rid Europe of all the non France, Germans.

Now frankly not many countries elect an government, just a parliament which then backs a government. The EU works in the same way.

Gabe's fat ass will do it out of spite.

What stops Valve from taking a "reasonable" transaction fee from the resale price? You're going to be selling using their platform after all.

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The first statement is correct. But if you think that the second statement is what defines a country you're fucking retarded

Do I have the right to resell the food I've already eaten?

>say fuck it
>blacklist all of France from being able to even interact with your game platform
>lose nothing of value because france is 90% somali nigger imports

whats the big deal

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Not just France. It's EU or bust thanks to their laws and they won't throw away their 3rd biggest market.

horrible, so it's just faceless beaurcrats with unlimited power

I dont agree for the same reason I dont think piracy is wrong. I see buying games more as a support donation not as buying a product.

> unironic food analogy

>a terms of service does not trump european law.
more like it does not trump law at all.

I just wish the states had the balls to fight some corps like europe does, thats the only thing they have over us.

>pc gaming becomes even less profitable
>more console games and movies
>more subscription based games
I want this industry to burn

Juriste spécialisée = specialized lawyer

Idiot

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EU parliament is not democratically elected. Representation is not proportional.

The parliament has to OK every commissioner.
Kinda like congress has to approve every cabinet member the president appoints.
You can call both of them "unelected bureaucrats" who are vetted by elected officials.

It means that DRM and 'games as a license' are finally being looked at critically. Consumers in the gaming industry are exploited at every angle. Who can defend not 'owning' your game? When you watch Netflix or use Spotify, you don't purchase a movie or a song, you use their platform to view it. However, with Steam and other DRM, you pay for a singular product, yet you don't own it.

It's fucking ridiculous in every way, but we normalised it.

based qt

Imagine how much this would ruin PC gaming.

Publishers would start thinking the used games sales will cost them a shit ton of money.
When evrione just buys cheaper used copies.
And then stop selling games on PC altogether.

Why would anyone ever buy a game on steams store again when they can just find it cheaper used.
And these are digital copies mind you USED literally means nothing to a digital copy.

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imagine how VHS will kill TV

>pedophile satanist one digital world order corporate bootlickers absolutely SEETHING OUT OF THEIR MINDS ITT

gamergate (strongmen) won as we always do and now you lost all your progress forever, cope faggots

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You can't treat digital copies like physical ones, it just doesn't work.

I'm french, thanks. Lawyer is avocat. Juriste means "who attended some law school". She just works at a magazine, not cracking cases at the court.

The counter to this would be, platforms like steam would just make you pay a subscription fee. They aren't going to just allow this to happen without a rebuttal.

You can already do that on consoles though. But yea, publishers are retarded so they won't care about facts, just their feelings about whether something will cost them money or not

Even if they lose the appeal, odds are Valve wont do anything. They'll eat the fine that they'll get for not changing it and they can only get fined for 6months which if I remember right totaled to like half a million euro.

Kill yourself. It's complicated different case.

Unless Steam just becomes the new Gamestop.

It doesn't. The EU is far more complex. It's among the reasons why the average Joe doesn't know shit about it: most shit the EU appoints has little to no impact on the individual countries unless they want to. On top of that, the EU is a bureauocratic nightmare.

Thank god, I hate my video games, I can't wait to get rid of them.

wow
it's almost like you're just downloading data from a completed, compiled source

wow it's like
it's like pirating a game
is just downloading the same product as someone who paid
for free
It's like that data is just sitting there and you press a button and you get an exact replica
whoah dude damn wow it's like digital markets have been an overpriced fucking scam this entire time

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completely*

i've been looking for a french man, what does draveur mean?

This is it bros... this is the end of video games as we know it...

I imagine companies will also want a cut of used sales.
So if steam takes 30% for evry used game and companies take another 20% at minimum.

You only get 50% of you sold game at best.
SO even if you sell a 50$ game for 40$ you just get 20 $ back for your sale.

Unless the french court just makes it so you can turn your already activated games back in to items and gift them.
So people can bypass the fees.
But i doubt this will happen.

I didn't know you had to eat game discs in order to play them.

They will let you sell your games but only in exchange for steambux and only for like 1/4 of the price or something

This will not be exclusive to PC gaming. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all have their own digital stores.

au revoir la paris

seeHow much your vote is worth depends on where you leave. A Danish voter has twice as much voting power as a French voter.
An Estonian voter has 4 times as much power as a Italian voter.
A Maltese voter has 12 times as much power as a German voter.

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>reselling digital games
wut

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France is part of the EU and according to EU law you can't just ban one country from your service and keep doing business with the rest.

Leave it to the french to not understand how digital distribution works.

Yup. What's the issue?

*where you live

This is just more incentive to stop selling games all together and move toward a subscription/rental model. You just rent games for a year or whatever instead of "owning" them as you do now. And please don't be pedantic of my usage of "own" I understand you don't truly own it in the sense of a physical copy, but you still don't rent it either. It's somewhere in the middle. Publishers have been wanting a subscription only model for a while now. You can't resell what you only rent.

Yea it is similar to piracy but its bean proven people will pay money to "Officially" "Own" games on steam.
+ All the online games.

This makes even those few who acualy buy games potential lost sales on top of the % of pirates who only ever pirate and never buy.

>be steam
>every time someone buys a copy of a game on your store you have to ctrl+c and ctrl+v
>if people can buy used copies, you save time and money by having to ctrl+c and ctrl+v fewer times
>this is somehow bad

Nothing, that's not a word. I assume you heard it somewhere and wrote it wrong though

>"Why yes I buy my games exclusively from Epic Game Store™, how did you know?"

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The core issues at hand are exactly the same though.

Will this kill GoG?
>Buy game
>Download
>Resell account

How the fuck would reselling digital games even work? Hell, reselling of digital anything. As far as I know, you can't do it with tracks you bought from iTunes or digital books you buy from Amazon either.

Hey, at least he said you were based. I'd take it and run.

how does it work you dirty Frenchie tell me your secrets

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>have a one month time limit before users can resell new games
>have a limit over how much money can be transferred on transactions
>give a small cut to both valve and
>region lock secondhand market so that regional pricing isn't a complete shitshow
>make users jump through lots of hoops and have them read a tos so that if they get scammed it's their fault
>have a system to deactivate and remove games from sellers account

So how quick can Valve magic this marketplace into existence Yea Forums? And how fucked will the rest of the digital storefronts be?

and i'm to assume you subhumans just sat around and let this happen over the course of history right

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transferring a license

>take digital game i bought
>ctrl+c ctrl+v
>sell for $60
>ctrl+c ctrl+v
>sell for $60
Thanks frenchies

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Who the fuck would want to have hundreds of accounts with one or two games on it?

You pay someone, the license is transferred to you. Simple.

"They appealed? Bring it to ze Evropean court"

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>All the retards in this thread that don't understand licensing

they'll just stop selling games in france.
the french don't have any money for vidya anyway since they have a centrally planned economy that demands a never ending stream of 3rd world wage slaves to prop it up.

Doesn't this also mean EGS has to do the same as well? It doesn't make any sense that this ruling would only apply to Steam

>The EU is actually fighting for the consumer rights of it's people.

Huh. I thought the EU was completely bought and paid for by big corperations.

me

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>Buy game once
>Copy and paste /steamapps a few times
>???
>Infinite money

You sell the LICENSE, smartass

Based retard

EU is not that retarded. This shit will nuke entire digital market.

If true, they could just apply geoblocking to every game from now on. Technically they would still do business with France, but offer nothing that would go against the law.

Yeah, this reminds me of the time everyone stopped making console games because of Gamestop.

Valve will argue that each download of a game costs them money. That's why you have to pay them a fee every time you resell your game.

It will cost them $0.20 but they will charge you $2.50 at least

It is a French court.

If this doesnt get overturned, say goodbye to owning anything. EVERYTHING will be rented only.

That the thing actually, a licence is something you OWN to access a software or a service.
Since you OWN the license, you should be able to to whatever you want with it including selling it.

What they are saying is "you own your games, that means you have the right to re-sell them like any other property".
About the implementation? Who knows, Steam already has a C2C market for in-game items, cards and other miscellaneous digital items. I'm sure they can work something out.
I'm more interested in the precedent this is creating.

Oh. So why doesn't Valve/epic/etc appeal and take the case to the european court? Those fucking corrupt cucks would surrely overrule the french decision.

>>give a small cut to both valve and
>small cut
At best it's gonna be similar cut to the Skyrim Mod fiasco. 30% to Valve since they operate the marketplace, and 40% to original publisher of the game.

the french court just said that you do own games on steam and that the "license to play them" is invalid. Hence you can resell them

France is a big market, they'd rather pay the fine 10 times than drop it

Because you hiding behind white man, Chang

>This shit will nuke entire digital market.
good. digital is cancer

Because you just told me.

So I should be able to sell my driver license

What's to stop valve and epic to just change the wording on their store from buying to "renting".

"Pay 60 euro's to rent X game for 30 years"

We already basically do rent most digital games.

This is still set for appeal.

And Valve can pretty much just bring in the fact that if this applies to them, then the EU must do it for literally everyone else as well. Pretty much highlighting just how massive the ruling is going to be.

Which means this shit will never come pass for at least a few more years.

Valve are appealing it, also the fine imposed if they do not comply with the ruling is fuckall every month up to six months apparently so even if they lose I doubt Valve will actually follow through and just pay the fine instead.

You don't own a single game in your steam library. You are renting it already.

We lost states rights in the civil war. What states are allowed to decide for themselves is very limited, like a handful of policies.

You’re failing at sounding smart

>buy $60 game
>copy everything before selling it off for $50
>grab crack and play your shit

Thanks frenchies, now I can be a pirate and support the game dev at the same time.

>The EU is actually fighting for the consumer rights of it's people.
By killing single player games?

>Yea Forums - IP Lawyers
Except 95% of you don't know shit and are just regurgitating the misinformation you heard from a dunb eceleb and/or your ten-year-old neighbor.

Games as a service and streaming are already in full swing so what's your point?
Well apparently the French disagree. HON HON HON

If this gets before a european court it's going to get overuled immediatly. I don't see the EU literally dicking over billion dollar companies just for the rights of it's people.

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Fuck you OP
Keep this shitposting to one thread

So devs will just focus even more on F2P multiplayer lootbox galleries.
Even less incentive to make shortish dense singleplayer games.

In France, driver license is not a "license" but a "permit" or an "authorisation"

Reread what I said

>Some things the EU as a whole does not care about.

Replace EU with Federal. Just because you can count the number of things they don't care about on one hand does not invalidate my statement.

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It's more like this:
You buy a book. You're free to read this book, get a free replacement if it's destroyed, or even just have an extra copy or two lying around.

However, with this law, you are now sold not just the transcription of the book, but also all of the means to create more (And the ability to create more of those means to create more). Then, you sell everyone you meet all of these bits for a single cent, keeping your original book copy and all the means to make copies, making essentially infinite dollars.

The only comfort is my library will last as long as Steam exists. Streaming Service gives free reign to take games away when they aren't performing anymore. Cult classics will go the way of the dodo in legal terms.

Based strawman

my god this thread really shows how dumb this board is.

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it's france, they make legal claims against companies all the time expecting them to eat the fines, it's like mobsters demanding protection money.

Come on user, we are talking big business, not muslim rapists.

>If you're not a professional in a certain field you are prohibeted from talking about it with others for fun.

Go back to consuming the next big corperate profuct you fucking sheep and let the zoomers&boomers have fun having a discussion.

*wins*

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You have no idea about the EU stance on consumer protection. The EU court has already ruled in favor of the customers in many cases.

>you now own your games
>you can resell your games
>steam becomes always online DRM to ensure you're ONLY accessing the games you currently own

Great, now we own our games, but gabe won't let us play unless we're connected to Steam 24/7. If steam dies one day you'll still lose everything.

Based retard

not sure if Frenchman or Frenchman lying to me.
i'm pretty sure Draveur is a logdriver of somesort

Looked it up and you’re right, but it’s a word from Québec no frenchman has ever heard of

This will likely affect other stores too, not just steam and valve. 0/10 not even worth the effort of biting down on the hook

I swear some americans literally can't grasp the idea of a consumer having rights against a corporation

Geoblocking throughout the EU also isn't legal

Someone in Germany needs to have access to the same games (and prices) as someone from Bulgaria

NOOOOOOOOO MY DIGITAL ALL ONLINE SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE MIND CONTROL AGENDA

WHY ARE WHITES DOING THIS TO US JEWBROS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SOCIALLY ENGINEER ALL THROUGH TAKING AWAY THEIR GAMES WHEN THEY SAID MEAN THINGS ABOUT GLOBOHOMO

AAAAAARRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH I BET DRUMPF IS BEHIND THIS

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Where does it state you get to make copies?

I would imagine much like old consoles, if they were going to shut down their services they would allow you a chance to download all your games first.

Frog here, that explains it, fucking leaves

>I'm sure they can work something out.
They already have it. You used to be able to purchase a game and stick it directly in your inventory as a Gift for later use, as opposed to a Gift you had to deliver immediately (or on a delay) on purchase. Now the only Game Gifts are ones you get from the "2-for-1" deals that some coop games often do where the game gives you extra copies. Like this thing I've had in my inventory for years.

Allow a user to "Itemize" a game on their Library (removing it from being playable), and then put those items on the Steam Marketplace (or Gift it), Valve takes their cut just like they do with every Market transaction.

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They've done it for Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon...

Meh, I'm sure they'll let Valve off the hook!

NOOOOOOoooOOO consumers CANT HAVE RIGHTS OINLY CORPORATIONS SHUOLD EXIST
VALVE EARNED THEIR MONEY TO MAGA I WANNA MAGA MAGA MAGVGAMGMAGMAMGA

What the fuck why? There are literal third world shitholes in europe and somehow they have to pay the same price as some middle class snoozy in another country?

This is actually incredibly unfair for Steam or any other store with a minimum of features, because access to games come bundled with a slew of features offered by the platform, reselling games would mean people would get access to those features for free, assuming these rulings wont allow devs and Steam to get a cut, which on its own is fucking insane.

Not to mention the whole digital games are just licenses thing too.

Yes because EU is all about EQUALITY

I think Valve would need to enable people to sell their games off-platform though.

You still need to pay the copyright owner in order to profit from their work.
You can sell a license because you own that particular copy and most countries won't get commercial codes involved for a one time thing.
This isn't new, have you never bought used books?

I'd like to think so and would take comfort in that promise until I suddenly can no longer watch Mythbusters on Netflix and know full well the same kind of service is how gaming is gonna roll from here on.

Nothing about buying and reselling requires ALWAYS online. Obviously for transactions you have to be online.

yeah whatever ya fuckin nerds

>i don't support this law because epic game store and valve will take hits, think about the indie devs man

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gee I wonder why piracy is so rampant in eastern europe

WELCOME TO THE EU

>Single player games
>Corporations
Pick one eurocuck

Germanfag here. If that were true, I would not have to jump through hoops to acquire a copy of Dying Light.

Yeah this sort of collision between consumer and business was bound to happen. I definitely see the future of gaming just being streaming services unfortunately.

You can't sell your gacha.
You can't sell your ebooks.
You can't sell your emusic.
You can't sell your fartnite skins.

can you not get regular game gifts now?

Is that required in the ruling? Then they better come after literally everyone else then as well.

Censorship rules overrule those equality rules.

Same with nazi symbolism.
Enjoy going to court saying you want to play ultra violent zombie and nazi games and expecting success.

there are different tiers

Because no one has made noise about those. Raise some and see what happens.

Software was always just licenses. The physical media by which they came on just meant it was impossible to keep them from being transferred to other users.

>Implying wannabe commies aren't against private property laws anyway

the only people against this are leftypol tards and the_donald

No? Games in Poland are usually cheaper in złoty than their price in euro

Nothing?

What are the implications here? Will Steam just stop serving French citizens?

Even fucking Google Play would have to abide to that law. I strongly doubt anything will happen.

How can you be sure?

i didnt mention anything about politics in my post you fucking sperg

In all likelihood they'll just eat the fine and ignore the court

Because Steam is still appealing that case as well

Digital property is property, and consumers can sell their property. I dont think any industry allows that kind of consumer rights limited entirely to a monopolized market. The right to sell your digital product doesnt equate to the right to sell your digital product limited entirely to this one marketplace where the original company takes a cut.

You can definitely try selling human manure. I don't know whether anyone will buy it however.

This has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard. Are corporations going to be reselling their 3DS Max keys to other companies now too? Do hospitals now have the ability to sell their fucking diagnostics software licenses to people?

Are the French retarded? Don't tell me, I know the answer already.

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how do you make a digital product..used?

I'm not against it but I know it's going to force steam's hand into doing something mega Jewish.

no you halfwit, the French court just recognize the fact that you can resell your digital games. But Valve has appealed to the European court.

>You can't sell your ebooks
It's much worse than that. Fuck Amazon, pirate fucking everything.

Better anology:
They Only sell the transcription of the book and a printing press, and you're told: "You better not keep the copies of the book you've made after you sell it", but since you can easily just hide a copy of the book under your pillow when you sell your book-making setup, it doesn't really work and you end up with a bunch of "Illegal" copies everywhere anyways

so will the EU have Nukes when they establish their EU army.

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There's a massive overlap between support of indie games and left-wing politics, for good or bad. Let me enjoy my strawman of commiefornian who only play games from itch.io.

Nice. What about the other laynchers like Origin, UPlay, etc?

That's how you know it's a long con by (((them))).

Good.
>got to the physical store to buy a physical copy of the game (Portal 2, Doom 2016...). You get a DVD or a Blu-ray.
>go home. There is now two case:
>1. you directly input the code printed in the box in steam and download the game
>2. you insert the disc in your computer, and it will ask you to input the code printed in the box. It will install the game from the disc at first, but at the end you'll still have large mandatory large updates.
>Either way, you can throw your physical copy in the trash because it's useless. You can't sell it used, you can't borrow it to a friend, you can't use it to install the game on multiples computers for a LAN party and you can't even use it to reinstall the game later on you computer because updates are as large as the game. The physical copy you bough is pointless and you now understand you'd better directly buy the dematerialized game because at the end it's the same.
Steam and DRM killed the freedom we had with physical copies for they jewness. It's time to get our rights back.

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Yes and like I'm saying.

How will all these tech corps feasibly work together so that digital products across the web can be sold anytime and anywhere? What is the fucking clusterfuck of infrasteucture set in place here? How many dumb hoops do consumers have to jump through to sell their shit?

the difference is that i cant sell all the burned copies i made of jak 2 to gamestop

Politicians still have 0 knowledge on how videogames/videogame marketplaces work and believe they successfully regulate this industry to a premature death.

In the end, Steam ca simply stop selling in France. It doesn't matter because China and the US make up the majority of profits and they are smart enough to avoid threatening videogame companies with bans and regulations because of "muh gamblgigming".
It is the worst case scenario.
France has nukes

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Yes, yes you absolute moron. German courts already ruled against companies trying to prevent license reselling.

What do you think? Of course they would need to do the same.

>mfw i sell all my steam games to buy the entire Epic store library

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They will pussy out. Such 'infrastructure' doesn't exist and will be a nightmare to pull off.

France's nukes.
Though frogs HATE HATE HATE the idea of sharing weapons or having an EU army.
They like their solitary expeditions.

Um, excuse me, valve earned that money fair and square, maybe we should all adapt to steam and play dota 2 instead

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And yet it's the AAA games that are riddled with muh brown gayfaggot people these days, influencing the masses, while most indies stay in obscurity.

not really, the only thing you need to do is make it so you can transfer your ownership rights to another person. Just make it so the same account cant use the same serial key after it's been sold by the consumer, and if they purchase another copy of the same product they are sent a new serial key.

And once other countries start following suit?

Even on consoles you need to install now.

t. retard
what actually is hard about anything? make it so that a user can transfer the rights by a click of a button to another user, simple as (“do you wish to transfer this game to xy? warning: if you click yes you won’t be able to play the game anymore”) the rest (the actual sale etc) could and should all be done outside of steam

clearly a hoax, everyone knows france doesn't exist anymore

No, it'll just be platoons of angry diplomats making official reprimands whenever there is an act of war. Welcome to European warfare in the 21st century.

You don't understand how the EU works. The EU would be hurting mostly non-EU companies that don't have a strong lobby so in their eyes it's perfectly alright.
They are also inventing brand new taxes for American tech companies because they think they think it's "fair".

>pic related
Nothing has hit them yet. But if the European court agrees with the french decision I'm sure the other launchers will have to comply.

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Tough.Should've plan for this scenario.

It will be more easier to Steam to ban French users.

I get your argument, but the problem with it is you can’t just “keep a copy under your pillow” because Valve transfers the key you need to open it. Just like when they revoke that key via a refund.

Yes, you can circumvent that copy protection, but you could already do that with torrents, it’s (unenforceably) illegal.

based steamcuck whiteknighting a multi billion company and taking it up the ass.
what does a court decision even have to do with parliament? fuck of back to /pol/, retard

>France has nukes
yeah, but the EU itself doesn't have nuclear weapons, EU is just a bunch of beaurcrats, that will now a have a praetorian guard and apparently also Nukes

Yes I'm aware piracy exists, I was only saying what the law contemplates. You know, the right to transfer property.

Or is this some ubisoft keikaku to sabotage gaben?

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This is gonna be such a hilarious shitshow once Apple, google, and the rest of the actual big daddies get dragged into court.

>selling your steam library for v-bucks
What's it like being born after 9/11

>buy $60 game
>support the game dev at the same time
All you do is support the publisher, retard. Unless if it's an indie developer.

I hate steam actually. All the games are nerfed or downgraded from physical copies. For instance it's highly unlikely your steam copy will allow cheat codes the devs themselves put into the game. But that's just every "game launcher" service. I'm going to start rooting for piracy.

>let people sell used steam between users
>have to pay a stupidly high fee to download the game from the servers
Consoles already do it with online pass

yeah banning one of their biggest clients, you're a bright one.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

YOU CAN'T SELL YOUR CAR, HOUSE, OR ELECTRONICS!

THAT'S UNETHICAL!

HOW ARE THE MEGABILLION CORPORATIONS SUPPOSED TO MAKE ANY MONEY!

STOP SHARING YOUR NETFLIX ACCOUNT WITH YOUR FAMILY!

what does France hating anything matter, it's not their decision, when someone says that France and Germany rule Europe, they mean through the EU, and it's not exactly representative of either respective country.

if the EU gets and army, they get those nukes

reminder valve is losing a lawsuit with the eu over region locking right this moment

reminder they have lost other lawsuits against the eu and lost the australian lawsuit hard

Simple. Steam requires a paid subscription to use and games are now microtransactions.

Also nevermind the fact that the whole idea of reselling digital products could've only come from an absolute fossil of a boomer who has lost complete track of techonolgy since the 80's.

The point of reselling is that people who cant/wont affort first-hand stuff can still get the product for cheaper because its fucking depreciated, which is something that by nature cannot happen with a digital product, whenever someone buys something digital its always brand new, or rather, the concept of "new" or "old" does not apply to digital.

However this is something that, depending on how its done, could either super dick over consumers or the companies, so we'll have to see.

Well if you don't like the EU then just leave haha

Before CC it was possible to resell Adobe CS licences because they weren't tied to an account.
My school did that. They "borrowed" adobe CS5 licences to students for a deposit, and at the end of the year you'd have to uninstall and remove the license from your computer to get your money back.

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ITT actual fucking children not understanding value

t. liberal TRANNY DINDU

WE WANNA MAGA ON Yea Forums

so get the fuck out while the adults and /pol/acks MAGA and atlk about this, they should just BLOCK FRANCE AND THE EU FOREVER HAHAHAHA

How much would flappy Bird resell for?

>reminder valve is losing a lawsuit with the eu over region locking right this moment
So I'll be able to use a VPN to buy Russian priced games?

user...

EU can literally only survive if they convince the Nordic countries to share the wealth. Otherwise mama Merkel is gonna have to go full SJW Hitler on the continent.

>reminder valve is losing a lawsuit with the eu over region locking right this moment
>game banned in Spain means game banned everywhere in EU
>good

Ubisoft will get fucked even harder, they sell the same kind of product but don't have a marketplace already like Steam does.

>go full SJW Hitler

Some people would argue that already happened

i didn't say anything was good or bad

Based

>this opinion
>this picture
yikes
yikes
yikes

>the amount of people ITT licking Gaben's sweaty, obese asshole
You're getting paid to say these things right? No one in their right mind would willingly kiss a megacorporation's ass for free, right?
R-right?

>fucking FRANCE of all places
>meaningful demographic of sales
>at all
imagine listening to the demands of an amoeba when you control the ocean

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It can be done actually.
For example, add new steam currency. You trade used games for this currency and use it for buying games from other players. And to prevent player from doing it all the time without loss, valve can make cost for buying those games 1.5-2 times higher. So there wont be any inflation of this currency or whatever.

she cute

It's not just about valve. Get some brain.

I don't particularly enjoy the EU. But i do enjoy corporations getting their teeth kicked in. Even if it harms me eventually.

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is the resource talented people? because that is a resource rarer than gold.

Yeah, let's turn Steam into a Central Bank, what a great fucking idea

Steamies are mentally ill, yeah.

why does valve lie to courts so much

>we dont serve in australia
>we are a subscription service
>what the fuck we lost the case?
someone explain

Not only does this apply to more than Valve, if publishers can't monetize games as they do now they'll find other ways which will be even worse and more inconvenient. You fucking idiots don't think two steps ahead.

If it's France it can quite quickly become the whole EU, and then there's a problem

>mama Merkel is gonna have to go full SJW Hitler on the continent
That happened the moment the EU started punishing countries for not taking in refugees. The only difference between her and little Adolf is that no leader has the balls to defend their country's sovereignty in [current year].

This goes beyond valve and steam and even vidya you tard.

this

>t.commie

gonna be fucking rich hon hon hon

time to digitally rape you
no worries, i have soft hands

Only if you are a libertarian on a crusade.

kek

I mean, yea. It still sucks, but thats something. I just cant see a better way for valve to resolve this problem.

Based Frogs. This will kill the digital market and let physical become king again.

I think it's even worst than that, I think they don't want to.
Some resistance has come from Eastern Europe, but I've been told Spain is cuck central.

>bootlickers
How is that bootlicking when they are AGAINST the government ruling?
If you are going to use a big boy word then at least look up what it means before you us it.

Except you got caught in the semantics my dude, you own a document that proves you are 'licensed' to do what it says and over time people started to call it 'license', you dont actually own any licenses because those are owned by the state or relevant institutions.

I think the industry needs a proper crash and publishers going full jew is a good way to make it happen.

The EU is infinity more horrific than anything a business can get away with.

The industry needs a crash because what, you want free games? Get a grip.

This should honestly be a thing. As steam locks your games to your account and you cant sell them to someone else. Even if you have the cd key from the physical copy.. You wont be able to use it. Valve basicly steals your cd key. And people still rush to the aid of Gaben.

>court
>government ruling
>what’s checks and balances
If you are going to use a big boy word then at least look up what it means before you us it.

>Crash of small and medium devs
>Industty crash
Pick one

>you want free games?
I want properly priced games.

based

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

So that's why you want more microtransactions, subscription games?

Related to this: there's supposedly going to be legislation passed on EU level this fall that gives consumers of digital goods and/or services (specifically non-physical video games and cloud gaming) better protection including (but not limited to) a refund policy somewhat like general EU consumer restitution rights and Steam's general refund policy.

Keep your eyes pealed when the EU might actually give Sony or Nintendo shit for not giving decent refunds.

only good post in the thread

Ah, muh indie dev strawman. We all know you only play AAA games, user, no need to fake outrage for the small devs.

God these power fantasy kids are pathetic.
>if I was ceo I'd ban the entire country, thatll show em!
>who cares about the money lost or pr damage, I'm powerful raaahh!

This seems pretty unrealistic considering a digital product does not depreciate.

but user think of the profit margins and how this infringes upon them. it's just not fair

It's funny seeing all the smooth brains in this thread saying "LUL just sell ya games, durr. It easy!"

Nigger, if it were easy they'd already have done it and made sure they got their cut of every transaction.

Neither does gold

all the people in powerful positions get there after they do things that they can get blackmailed for after

How the hell would you resell digital games? What's the point? Physical and digital is different, when will lawmakers realize this?

>digital distributors are forced to make games resellable
>companies respond by coming up with even more abhorrend and intrusive ideas to squeeze potential customers
>those just say fuck it and stop buying games entirely
>revenue and profits shrink
>large waves of layoffs
>smaller companies die out in masses
>suddenly few games are made
>indie segment dies practically overnight without a cheap way of distribution
>YouTube and Twitch "content creators" are pressured into joining the regular working force
Hmm.

>We all know you only play AAA games, user, no need to fake outrage for the small devs.
Projecting much shill? I haven't bought AAA game since Witcher 3

So you're saying we should all invest in video games?

Shill for what, numbskull? The French fucking government?

>>those just say fuck it and stop buying games entirely
It wouldn't happen

If people got the ability to resell their digital games, there'd be an assload of moderation to do so, DRM to make sure each game is the correct version, a massive flux of dolphin porn getting spread, and Eurofats would fuck up the market just like they did with G2A. Do you seriously think this is just about Steaming tards or are you actually a retard?

>buy a few on a amazing flash deal
>sell them later for a small discount
Thanks Frogs.

pooo[p

sshh don't tell him

After the law takes effect, sure.

How come there have been markets in used CD-keys for online games for ages?

t. actual retard
Steam already has a feature exactly like this except better because you don't actually lose the game and just "share" it with a friend.

Wouldnt this set a prescient that anytime you buy anything virtual online that would normally be tied to your account you could sell it? Couldnt this be applied in the same way as say me buying overwatch then I could resell it somehow? Im not against it but im not really sure how its intended to be implemented. Would this create a used game market for virtual games? I mean works for me I guess bassicly means games will always be cheaper. Unless it scares devs into being more conservative with sales but ehhhh.

>The French fucking government?
Or for DoTA, LoL, CS, Fortnite, Overwatch, Paladins, HoTS, BF, CoD etc.

No, just a proper, $20 to $30 price tag.

i remember ps1 and ps2 games costing $30
based

You just described family sharing.

Well, make up your damn mind, then.

yes, you can sell your copies or digital software the same way you can sell CDs. They are a license the entitles you to the ownerships right of a copy of an IP. You have the right to sell those.

I don't see what's so difficult to understand here for you virgins
steam would just need to make a 'transfer game' button
It wouldn't be their responsibility to make a platform to sell games
just how nintendo doesn't have a platform to sell used copies of their cartridges

meant for

Why do courts always bully steam over stupid bullshit like this instead of going after companies that actually fuck people.

Holy shit. This is going to fuck indies in the ass so fucking much.

this

>they gunna stop selling da gaymz in france!!
I swear this board is nothing but literal children

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pooooooooooooooooooooooooo;pu

Nice denial, faggot.
But I will still prefer single player games over your lootboxes simulators.

This would force devs to think about how to make games that players would hold on to and be reluctant to sell. And that's a bad thing.

Good job chinkie, now explain why every single other game launcher doesn't let to resell your games.

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>implying they won't make it anyway just so they can get a cut from resellers.

*fuck people over

>Netflix
>Spotify
Would you rather have steam become a monthly subscription based service?

>people thinking this ruling only applies to steam
It applies to everyone that operates in Europe, and what it will lead to is everybody implementing draconican DRM to make sure you don't have access to a game after selling it, assuming publishers don't just switch to a Netflix-like subscription model where you explicitly don't own anything.

>companies respond by coming up with even more abhorrend and intrusive ideas to squeeze potential customers
>those just say fuck it and stop buying games entirely
>YouTube and Twitch "content creators" are pressured into joining the regular working force

Good.

this is not the same thing

What the utter fuck are you talking about, m8?

This

Manchildren aren't literal children

Why do people complain about getting more rights as a consumer and actively defend a billion dollar corporation that has had an effective monopoly for 15 years in their market? Are these even real people? wtf

To be able to get more money since you don't just pay once and to try and stop piracy?

>this would force devs to make actually good games that people want to keep playing
the fucking humanity

poop

people keep shitting on digital copies vs physical copies exactly because of the inability of trading/selling used copies and games being treated as a service, and now that something's finally being done about it everyone starts hissing
hilarious

>steam now blocked in frogland

Based
The masses deserve no ownership

that's not how the EU works

They're fatherless cuckolds who worship corporations because they project their daddy issues on soulless businessmen.

It pretty much is what you're describing, you're giving someone else the license to play a game that you bought and they can play it with their account. You just need account info on the other computer. Or are you just an ideas guy and can't actually think of something?

this is limiting, and makes you log in on the other persons computer, youre not gonna only sell to friends
they could, but they should also leave the option to sell without them
I don't want gaben to get my money

But there is no market for used CD-keys because CD-keys are useless after used once.

i really like the concept of these dudes making up scenarios where they live out capitalist power fantasies as steam and then getting butt hurt that EU has already thought ahead them and does a *it was a hologram* on them

Keywords 'their games'. You don't own any game on Steam, it's in EULA. Frenchies wanted to do something good for once, but it won't work

BECAUSE ITLL AFFECT STEAM AND I HAVE A STEAM COLLECTION I LOVE GABEN
GABEN Yea Forums BIRTHDAY PARTY FORM Yea Forums OMG

You are nigger who for some reason hates singleplayer game and projecting his obsession with AAA mp on other people

dilate faggot

EULA doesnt trump law. digital property is property and comes with all the rights normal property comes with.

Masses are mindless, they shouldn't have any rights.

wouldn't second hand digital goods undercut stadia claim of being the cheapest option?

no, this is some gimped workaroud where the other accounts can access to your licences, but it's still your licences tied to your account. it's not a licence transfer.

Holy Shit, user just completely went full mode into his little fantasy world

>>companies respond by coming up with even more abhorrend and intrusive ideas to squeeze potential customers
we already have preorder bonuses

>It does not have a democratically elected government.
It does and democracy doesn't mean that everything has to be elected directly by the average joe.

Good luck proving that shit to the courts.

The reality is that platforms are already moving to the cancerous idea of "subscriptions" to play games, this will just get us there a little faster.

I'm fine with that, I own plenty of garbage games I wouldn't hesitate to resell, and loads of fantastic games I'd never sell off.

the masses voted for brexit and trump, cope jew

>everybody wants to go after steam over pety refund and transferal rights that have no business being attached to digital goods
>nobody wants to punish them for their false advertising regarding adult content

trump lost the masses election

the vast majority of EU representatives are not elected.

>all the rights normal property comes with
Can you return used condom?

So how would that work then? I buy a license for a game that you bought for $15 and how much would I have to pay?

You don't own the game itself, but you're supposed to own the license.
EULA and TOS have no legal value.

God I fucking hate when consumers have rights, am I right Ameribros?

this isnt a law on returns, you can sell a used condom to another person if you can find a buyer.

>the masses voted for brexit
Wrong

I love the idea that re-selling games, something that's existed for literally as long as games have existed, is now being treated as some bogeyman because "muh valve".

There is literally no reason digital content shouldn't can't be re-sold, other than pure greed. Steam will absolutely open their own storefront for this shit, too, so they get a 10% cut instead of eBay.

Based Europe will save gaming and the internet

uh oh here comes the shizo jewcel cope posts

No, but you can resell it on ebay. A lot of people do that.

if this actually passes, all it means is that steam can't tell you that you can't sell your account anymore. they'll likely make it impractical as fuck to resell your account but it'll be technically possible, which will be enough for the boomers over at EU courts. so don't panic guys, steam will still be able to legally own the license to fuck you by 2050

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People would need to be subscribed for years to break even the cost of a single use license for CS. Sustained payment is a thing, Indeed. But think of the appeal of "at best, he can resell a 10 days license worth about 5 bucks, so he won't find a buyer anyway."

This but actually unironically, gamers will realise they fucked up and get the government to backpedal.

But do you allowed to do it in the same store where you bought it?

Both false lmao

Because the EU is mostly an economic thing.

lol fucking btfo

EU elections are not democratic.

>because "muh valve".
False statement.

the White Male always gets what the White Male wants. cope j*w

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People will find ways around it. Even if it's just people buying all their games on separate accounts, so they can resell games they no longer want to play on third-party sites.

>Valve blocks europe
>All of europe embraces egs
>Valve loses billions

that probably depends on the nation, this law doesnt stipulate that Valve needs to provide a marketplace, just that they need to enable users to sell their property.
You could achieve this by allowing users to transfer their ownership rights by selling the serial/activation key to other users, and locking the user out of using that same key themselves after selling it. How the key is actually sold at that point isn't valve's responsibility. You could sell the key on ebay or in person like any other product.

Getting rid of 90% of shit my Steam has amassed would be welcome now that the library shit shows me every f2p game and I can't navigate it for shit anymore.

->

>a third party market can have multiples licences for a game (a special steam account or whatever).
>you sell that licences to this market. They give you money.
>You can buy the licences from that third party market.
wow, that's like a literal physical store, but dematerialized. Exactly like what we wanted!

you are actually more than likely right, it will make the steam market turn into GoG or other key reseller places. Im curious what this will do

I wonder if they would still have this same ruling if the game the company belonged to the eurotard zone.
Just another discriminatory and spiteful attack on U.S based software.

Give me one valid reason why it's okay that I can sell my copy of Mario on NES to someone on eBay, but I can't sell my copy of HL2 to someone on eBay.

Why I can sell my DVDs, but can't sell movies I've "bought" on streaming platforms.

Why I can sell books, but I can't sell e-books.

Because every country is still independent despite being part of the EU.

BECAUSE WE MAGA HERE DONT YOU FUCKING SEE '
WE
WANNA

MAGA TRUMP AND TRUMP DOES NOT BELIVEEI N TAHT
MAGA

>FREE

except we just had elections a few months ago

Why would I sell my games you stupid poor consolefag?

You are free to sell your account and everything connected to it like passwords and emails, credit cards etc., nothing is stopping you.

Why is this an issue? I honestly don't see it.

You can also buy unused condoms on ebay and then resell them there, yes.

>All those zoomers who unironically think owning and re-selling games will kill the entire industry
Jesus fucking christ, you're all retarded

>>You are free to sell your account and everything connected to it like passwords and emails, credit cards etc., nothing is stopping you.
You aren't, though. If the company finds out, they will ban the account.

>nothing stopping you
it is against the ToS dumbass
>i dont WANT TO SAVE MONEY I WANT TO SPEND MORE POORFAG

Ameribros, how do fix the "EU" issue? These muslim fucks keep making it hard for based corporations to keep making money. First refunds, now this. Where does it end? Soon they'll try to break up price fixing agreements too or some other communist shit like that.

If we don't stop it now, the 8 hour workday might become the norm here again, and the minimum wage might be able to support a modest lifestyle. We can't let it happen, Ameribros.

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Zoom-zooms weren't around for the days of rental and second-hand, so they think it'll increase prices for them. Which is funny, when they're already paying more than physical in many places for a fucking download link that didn't need to be produced and shipped to a store near them.

Steam already has a user-to-user marketplace as well as the ability to store games in your inventory, all they need to do is allow you to turn already activated games into redeemable inventory items and put those up on their marketplace.

>amerishart
>can’t even get basic human-rights
>calling other subhumans

kek

Love the bootlickers. True npc. Imagine not wanting to hurt the deelings on millionaires who you dont know.

Any change steam has to make is like an acceptance that it's not a godly perfect creation. That simply isn't possible...................

>EGS gets the same ruling
>Sweeney blocks Europe so those zoomies who all drop thousands of bucks every month on buying dab emotes and hats in Fortnite can't resell them

I think they can just make it so that you can sell your account. Currently it's forbidden by the ToS and if you're caught trying to sell your account the account can get terminated.

Infinite distribution. I did this when I was in highschool and sold 20 burned discs of Dawn of War to our tabletop club. I think physical PC games should come back but this is just another nail in the coffin for that if it's as simple as some Eurofat managing to bog up the market with FIFA.

They explicitly state that you are not allowed to do that, and will simply suspend the account if they find out you did it.

Can you imagine how hard all the gachashit would start crashing if people could resell their garbage?

Based fuck valve and fuck steam drones

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>If Valve refuses to abide by the ruling and post the French court's decision to Steam within a month, it will have to pay a fine of 3,000 Euros per day for up to six months.

Steam will do LITERALLY NOTHING.

Gog is already kill

Psst, wanna hear a secret?
People owned and re-sold their games before all this DRM games as a service license bullshit and the industry was fine

How is this bad for steam? They'll just take a cut from each transaction and make money on this like they do with cards.

Why is Wyoming so based?

>after six months the fine progresses into jail time

It's not infinite distribution, you absolute moron. You only own one license for the game, you can only resell it once.

it just occurred to me how all those console executives must have gotten orgasms when they realized people can't pull used game bamboozles with digital purchases. corporations were so fucking butthurt about the used games market back then

They still do on consoles.

Cope more steam drone, valve got fucked here, EU hates valve because of jewben (see regional pricing) gaben IS done so

What happens if I purchase game keys from G2A that were bought with illegal cards and then sell them to some chumps? Would the game be removed from their accounts and their money also lost if there's illegal activity detected?

It's one of the reasons I don't see this happening.

If other places don't adopt it, they'll potentially lose retarded devs to places like Epic.

This. It's bad for everyone else who doesn't have the trading infrastructure.

>Gaben is now a criminal
Run jewben run, tick tock

its pathetic how often I see our name in your mouths, get a new obsession loser

You do realise all those "illegal card games" on G2A are just fake news, right? Those stories exist to scare retards into not using an "unsafe" platform.

I doubt getting paid in Steam bucks is good enough.

you know it's making me lol that epic games invested fuckloads into the digital game sales industry just in time to watch it get destroyed

Gabe has CHINA the EU, and the U.S are irrelevant. Barely worth proper service being such a small fraction of the global population and user base. All these companies are seemingly turning against you for a reason, and its because there is better money with deeper pockets elsewhere.

Idiot. The only thing that will happen is that Steam changes it's refund policy even more to accomodate this ruling if it sticks. Meaning it will be easier to get your money back if you play a game and get bored of it. There's no way they'll let a ruling like this ruin their chances of getting cash from the baguettes.

You brought up selling it through ebay. It's infinite distribution because who is going to stop you?How would ebay detect your license without getting access to your game's files and your account?

Nigga you know damn fucking well that
>A good game
and
>A game people will want to keep playing
are two completely different things.

I have been trying my best looking for actual people who got their steam gift card codes or game keys revoked but there's always just shilling for indie devs.

the only one who posted a screenshot was a dude from a third world asian country that got his steam wallet funds revoked because he purchased a steam gift card code in a currency that's illegal for him.

when you get your hands out of our affairs

Do you realize about half of the site american? Are you retarded?

Damn, really hope frogeaters can BTFO the fatcats. Keep'em coming France.

If you notice it's all American companies. The EU has a thing for fucking over American companies. It's our way of doing low key trade war. Economists have theorized in the past that the EU is salty about not having tech giants like Google or Microsoft so they fuck them for fun.

I wanna get my hands on american women. Last time I visited my aunt living in Arizona there were so many sluts in short shorts.

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Well yeah China will save gaben

It's so sad that you're actually right, user.

It'll eventually become a thing once cloud gaming is on point , it is just a matter of time until we fully transit into a pay to play business model

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>Steam will just stop selling games in Europe!

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wouldn't be a huge problem if they could resell it after 90 days and steam could charge like 50% of it that goes to them and the developers again

they probably would make more than what they do now with people buying at key stores

This but unironically
Being against the us tendency to let corps trample all over the people doesn't mean you have to go full retard in the other direction

Hello, im from Poland and single AAA game here costs about 20% of monthly minimal wage (before taxes). Standard edition of course

>completely
You come on now, I'll admit it's not a 1 to 1 equivalence, but there sure fucking is some sizeable overlay between the two. If you have a good game with a good mp, or even good base mechanics, you are going to come back to it.

How dare consumers have rights?

Hell yes fuck them in the ass please

Based French trying to save vidya industry

yeah dude it's definitely not the fact that average american company has around a 900% higher chance of fucking its consumers than the average european one

talking about how fucked up american corporations are is actually one of the most popular pastimes between me and my boys

how is this BTFOing anyone? If steam complies their platform is forced to become even more consumer-friendly and as a result more attractive to users, new and old. Gayben isn't losing money on this, they'll just put a steamTax(tm) on every used game transaction and make even more money from it. Hell this might even help combat 3rd party key sites, bringing some lost profit from there back to steam.

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It's a good way to clean your library from the games you didn't like but can't refund anymore. Lots of people will use it.

>Hairy
We aren't Portugal

I hope you get a restraining order instead, creep

Microsoft is already testing the viability of this with the Xbox One and their gamepass program.

The devs would have their cut. Everyone wins here.

not my fault your women are sluts

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>3rd party key sites
And they aren't fatcats? Steam will get BTFO'd by recieving less money by virtue of cheap keys netting them less profit, even if the precentages will be the same.

My post didn't say anything like that, at all. Why are you actually just making shit up? Delirious rage? Maybe other posters you tagged said something of this, but I didn't. So what is that?

All I'm saying is you're behind the curve. The power structure has changed. This isn't 5 or even 10/20 years ago, where you were the focus. All of these companies have their eyes set elsewhere and couldn't give a shit about you anymore.

Chasing fat neets in shrinking/dying country spending other peoples money isn't a viable strategy. China is growing with no end in sight, while the west is in hard decline. Smart money is elsewhere.

>Okay, Mr. Baguette, can you define in clear times what the difference in value is between a new digital product and a used digital product?
>Oh non, oh shit, oh no no no our whole uh stupid fukken court case no longer makes uh sense

The difference in value is what another user is willing to pay

based gigachang

Can confirm living in Bulgaria (poorest EU country) and paying 60 euro per game. The best part is that the country doesn't even use euro as its currency. The store is in euro just because.

that doesn't matter you fucking retard, this is their problem and a problem with how they implemented their service.
If games weren't a service and actually had a way to be traded/sold like physical property then we wouldn't be having this discussion
stop sucking gaben's cock or whoever's you're so actively trying to suck

What the fuck is the difference between a used game cart and a new game cart? Barring someone soaking the contacts in salt water, there's nothing.

>Your product is too good since it doesn't degrade. You must have planned obsolescence if you want to be able to resell this

Wouldn't this apply to every digital store? It's going to be a shitshow then.

What possible reason would anyone ever buy a new digital game vs a "used" one? Only thing i can think of is during a huge sale. Will people start treating buying vidya like stock and hording up whenever something goes on sale just to sell it afterwards?

You know how fucked the PS2 used market was because of how easily scratched the discs were right?

>buy new game
>publisher gets their cut, steam gets their cut
>resell the same game at lower price
>steam gets another cut whenever it's resold
>activate key from 3rd party website
>someone resells the game
>steam gets another cut whenever it's resold

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>buy game from G2A
>???
>resell it for profit

Okay, now create a used digital games market without damaging the sales of "new" copies. There is no downside to buying a used digital game. There's no potentially damaged manual, there's no scuffed box, there's no scratched up disc, there is zero reason this thing should have a difference in value.

and what seems to be the problem here, Mr. Goldberg?

What's to stop the third-world shitters from G2A from taking over this market?

Why didn't the gaming market crumble in the 30+ years we've had used sales?

The basic reality is that 90% of all revenue a game will ever make comes in the opening week. Used sales don't have much of an impact, and even new copies are often sold for much cheaper than the digital version as retailers try and shift old stock.

>Hey here's a legislature that gives you more rights over the digital shit you paid for

>"I don't like it"
>"Bootlick"
>"REEEEEEE HOW DOES IT MAKE ME A BOOTLICKER IF I WANT LESS RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OVER MY OWN PROPERTY SO CORPS CAN FUCK ME GOOD YES STEAM LET ME SUCK YOUR COCK *GLCK* *GLCK* YES FUCK MY THROAT GOOD USE MY TUMMY LIKE IT WAS MY WIFE'S WOMB FILL ME UP *GLCK* *GLCK* *Mmh* fuck the government

Just tag used games in steam library and make it as visible as possible. This would be enough to trigger a sizable number of autists.

Hey, corps are the ones trying to globalise everything. Everyone should be able to buy shit at the lowest possible price.

Different markets, you're applying console physical to PC retail.

PC has NEVER had strong opening sales compared to consoles. PC's appeal is long term gradual profits as consoles dwindle over time. Games that are three-years-old on PC are still selling decent amounts. As soon as you introduce sellable "used digital goods" you fuck this entire thing in the ass.

It absolutely regularly does will. The whole anti EU "MUH GLOBALISM" shit is 100% corp propaganda and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.
Because all the major international companies are American.

>THIS IS AN ATTACK ON THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF

You're absolutely delusional.

because games can still be regionlocked?
christ you people are absolutely pathetic

They do that all the time although it's less about protecting the rights of the people and more being outright hostile to the corps so people think their rights are being protected while their actual rights are being taken away

I honestly think all of this is just another way for companies to fuck people over. You know there's gonna be DRM in place for all games to make sure your "used" files aren't malicious and how much more moderation is going to be needed just in case someone decides to sell the entirety of Train Sim for 90% the original price.

Give an epic "true supporter" flair to any account that only has new games on it.

Clown world

You're an idiot. It's about the ability to monetize your property. The condition of the property doesn't matter.

I live in the U.S. and I made sure my country was set to Argentina so I only pay 3 bucks for most games. There are workarounds for everything.

far-right extremists are mentally ill

>It's about the ability to monetize your property
You don't own digital goods. This has been a fact for longer than you've been alive.

What? You aren't uploading your fucking files, dude. It's transferal of a license.

If someone wants to lose 90% of their money by reselling train sim, why is that a bad thing?

This is why Anglo media is such garbage. They LITERALLY can't get it right just once, and the willing angloids swallow it raw.
>French court papers says it's about selling accounts, not single games
>French media reports the same
>some disgusting angloid: runs thought Google translate, "hmm how can I make it more.. clickbaity?"

Oracle and SAP are huge customizable software suites. No two are alike, this is an incredibly shitty analogy. Both those companies are not going out of business anytime soon.

t. works with SAP

okay, so what? Do you think everyone will suddenly get real tech savy and start using VPNs for their daily purchases? You're absolutely delusional if you think this is convenient and any considerable amount of people will start doing things in that way

The EU already shot region-locking down, too. All those games will be maximum price across the EU since they said region-locking isn't okay, and you can't sell cheap keys in dirt-poor countries because it's not fair to Hans in Germany that he has to pay more merkelbux than greeks PAY DEBNTS.

Selling accounts is effectively selling games, because nothing is stopping you opening a new account for each new game, and then reselling the account.

If you're just transferring the license, then why not just use the refund system? It's the same thing except with one you're getting less money.

>I'm already doing it
Wow, it's almost like it's an issue completely unrelated to the matter at hand, then.

>you can't sell cheap keys in dirt-poor countries because it's not fair to Hans in Germany that he has to pay more merkelbux than greeks PAY DEBNTS.
It isn't.

first off this only applies inside the EU
second off, why should Ivan who makes $5 per hour have to pay the same price for something as Hans who moved to Norway and who makes 15 times more?

Because you can only refund for the first 2 hours?

I've been alive for longer than digital shit has been around, retard. And no, for a fact you own your digital goods/licenses if it's not a subscription service, the law has said so. It's just not enforced and we let it be this way because of retards like you.

And then valve makes it so that you need at least 10 games to sell, or the account has to be x days old

>t. works with SAP
My condolences.

That system demolished piracy. People in Eest Yurop were actually buying games because they didn't have to forgo eating for two weeks to play the latest title. The removal of the system will just increase piracy again and create another boogeyman for countries.

It's actually extremely easy to do, you just get a VPN and change your country once and that's it. You should actually do it since there are literally no down-sides whatsoever, you won't get banned unless you switch your country every week or if you're in a country that has banned certain currencies.

Draveur is an old, hardcore as fuck job. It's a lumberjack that moves Wood logs down a river, which often necessitated standing on them as they float. It's a pretty deadly job

>I've been alive for longer than digital shit has been around, retard.
So you're a retarded fucking boomer who still doesn't understand anything and makes shit up. What are you like fucking fifty?

>And no, for a fact you own your digital goods/licenses if it's not a subscription service
No, you don't. You never have, it's been stated on "physical" copies of digital goods for decades that the disc holds a licence that you're renting. The only thing you've had the right of ownership to is the disc, book and case.

>Because you can only refund for the first 2 hours?
Don't tell me you've never applied for a refund for a game you've had a hundred hours on. Steam will give you a refund no matter what. The automated bot message you get is to deter retards who don't want their money back.

i agree but physical items are not the same as digital media you fucking tard.

Why don't we just fix the global economy so that everybody can earn a fair wage

yes I know how easy it is and I still don't do it because I don't feel like VPNing every single time I want to play that one game that I bought under a region lock

>Because all the major international companies are American.
Aliexpress isn't American. Tencent isn't American. Fuck you! Long live China!

Tell the EU to stop fucking Eastern Europe then. The Krauts are still giving Poland shit for not "paying their debts" when Poland is still waiting for the collateral reparations for WWII from the Germans.

That's not how it works. You can play any game you want, literally everything is the exact same as if you were in your home country. The only difference is when you buy something that's either cheaper or more expensive. My entire point has been your region lock excuse doesn't even exist. Even games that are region locked like chinese mmo's, can still be played if you made an account with them.

what difference does that make
if dvds were indestructible it wouldn't make it any less rightful for you to be able to resell them

What debts? I thought only Southern Europe had debts to repay to germany

it essentially comes down to the age old rhetoric perpetuated by corporate lobbyists in america

>"if you make it harder for us to exploit you, we will stop providing our service altogether"

you can see this constantly in just about every argument involving corporations

>"raise minimum wage? then we'll move jobs away entirely"
>"give the option for refunds? then we won't sell in your area"
>"wear a condom? then i won't fuck you at all"

anyway it's bullshit about 90% of the time as evident by the fact that they have no problems doing these things in areas where they're mandatory. minimum wage for mcdonalds workers are higher in countries where the minimum wage is higher and mcdonalds still operates and employs in those areas. full steam refunds are possible in europe but not in america. regardless, this rhetoric is hammered into american minds constantly through their media so that's what they believe

>"physical" copies of digital goods for decades that the disc holds a licence that you're renting. The only thing you've had the right of ownership to is the disc, book and case.
>holds a licence that you're renting.
Fucking retard. You're wrong and making up bullshit. There have been many cases where law has said you own your copy of a license and can resell that license.

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The guy asked for a difference in physical vs digital. You can break a disc and probably not repair it, you can't break your games files and not fix them.