UNIST Thread

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Pass is vee
Last minute practice, although I should probably do some offline execution practice tomorrow too

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Alternate costumes when? If other anime fighters can have them, UNI should too.

Is there a tournament this weekend?

Red Bull esports thing.
But the real deal is UNICLR demo
>alt costumes
>other anime fighters
Which ones

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Neat. Hopefully people could try out the limited number of characters in the CLR demo and tell us what changes there are.

Not the same tourney, but there's one going on here this weekend so brain hurts from during more practice than usual.

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Elphelt has the Sign -> Rev costume change, that's the only one I can think of though.

That always struck me more as an advanced palette swap

>2bars
>still randomly lags
I just wanna play like everyone else

Hence the quotes on relatively
Noel a shit so the effort is something I can only half-appreciate

>0 bars with Dash
>no bars with Clawz again
>restarting PS4 and rejoining does nothing
Looks like PS lobby's a nope for me tonight.

Damn it, I need the OS-blow up experience
Where's lamp

I might have to leave myself. Game doesn't wanna cooperate tonight and there's no point in dragging the others into lag hell.

>Dash on PS Lobby
Might be a nope for me there too due to usual connection issues, we'll see.

I looked away, did the game do anything weird after the fact that the IWEXS animations played out after character death?

Are you ready for this weekend to hear about the buffs (and nerfs)

Yeah it cut it off mid animation to start the next round

Uh did the match not load for anyone else just then

Show me the money (and by that I mean Phonon and Byakuya nerfs).

>byakuya
>nerfed
Hahahahaha, that's a good one. He's getting buffed, bro.

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and Eltnum removed from the game because of a C&D from type moon

Sorry but Byakuya is getting removed
They got a C&D from Marvel

Oh fuck off with that Hippie.
I agree, they should add in Arc.

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Guess I'll give it one more try and if it doesn't change I'll leave.

I'm in mika hell.

You and everyone else who has to play against mika.

PC is Mika-land at the moment.

>236B can connect to j.[C]
Hope you don't mind if I steal that for future use atic.

Seems like it's shit connections for everyone

I'd never thought I'd live to see Wald 236A inbetween the gaps of a charged eltnum gun

That's like his best options for dealing with that

I need to fight Wald more.

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It's a route for good starters midscreen. j.[C] doesn't connect in the corner.

>Spoon casually walking and landing a grab.
Oh Lord, I got a kick out of that.

reminder park is better than training room

upgrade your PC so you don't have to worry about stage selection

menacing walk to grab is the best combo

Good to know, thanks for the tip as I probably would've otherwise been failing it and learning the hard way (though I'll probably still be failing it to start of course).

Alternate costumes on a sprite require you to redraw every single frame of animation for the character.

i have a 2000 dollar computer but stage lag seems to exist on shit like altar

PC or PS4?

PS4 is default
PC lobbies show up after

Both?

Room for 1 more on PC right now. Not sure how PS is like right now.

Also, that was a fun one even though I got washed, hahaha.

may as well not even have lobbies if the game hangs up while in spectator

What on earth went wrong with the PC lobby

Man this port sucks.

It normally isn't this bad

My only wish for CLR is that they don't make online even worse than it already is but that's probably too much to ask for.

first time the lobby has straight up broken on me

Got trashed and my 3c became 623c somehow but at least it wasn't laggy.

Please understand, they're wearing dirty ass clothes and eating dry ramen to survive.

Is this going on in PC or PS
Because I guess we're overdue for September's shit week connection

best case scenario is Arc ports over the arcade lobby system that's made online for their titles at least tolerable.

PC's lobby made it actually impossible to ready up so everyone who went up to fight 'took too long' to ready up and got sent back to the bottom

PC in particular ran into a bug where people couldn't accept matches due to it saying everyone was still spectating when returned to lobby.

I thought it was just because deska and I are far away but to have 7 frames with you atic is crazy.

>can't fight the wald
How will I ever get somewhat slightly less trash like this?

Why does the lobby keep breaking
Yamero

I only had 3 frames with you tonight, but had 7 frames in other matches tonight. Network be wack, man.

ggs pc lobby ill leave it up and itlll probably stay up for all of tomorrow night for whoever wants to use it (assuming it doesnt error out)

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That's odd. I believe he lives in close vicinity to me and I get good matches with you (assuming this is Basta).

Also

>that missed 360 combo opportunity by atic
Darn shame but cool that he landed a 360 at all.

Keep fighting til you learn what you can do to get in on him. I believe in you!

I'll create a second PC lobby but it'll be open only for an hour or so.

kw pclobby
GGs, Spoon.

I mean I literally can not fight him, as in our connection, Sai.

>Lobby bugging out
>Lag glitch causing one person to have frames dumped onto them again
The pc port is falling apart again
Normally I have around 4f connection with him at worst but tonight seems like it's rough everywhere you go. Even the Vita version is having issues tonight

I'm getting at least 5 frames with everyone right now, looks like tonight is not the night.

>10 frames
Oof. French Bread, pls.

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>10 frames

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PC sounds like a hellhole
Maybe god is telling you to stop playing mika

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online makes me want to play less because the design is so bad
at least ceotaku's next week

Disbanded the 2nd PC Lobby. Sorry for those matches to all involved.

As bad as it is, at least we haven't reached webm related yet.

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I wish half the lobby wasn't playing the same character
I never thought I would say it, but I miss the yuzus, vatistas, and phonons

I've got to remember to 623X Raz every time for a free punish on the jump back divekick. I'm too addicted to 66B.

Reminder that if you play on wifi you are actively ruining the experience of everyone else in the lobbies
>B-but my wifi is fine!
No it isn't. Unlike a wired connection, wifi cannot send and receive data at the same time. It has to rapidly alternate between the 2, so even with a perfect signal you're guaranteed twice as laggy as you'd be wired. There's also no such thing as a perfect wifi signal because air is an unreliable conductor of data that WILL lose packets, guaranteed.

>But I can't play any other way!
Then don't.

Next time it goes on sale I'll scoop it up and my mediocre Phonon will probably hop in occasionally

When you put it that way, I suppose I'll go ahead and throw in a different character to change things up.

All you Mika's using 66B have put fear into me throwing out 623 now since I got nailed every time I threw it out.

Cursed night

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Too fucking many Mikas

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To add to this in a less shitposty manner for anyone who says they can literally only do wifi just get a powerline adapter. Solves the "muh wires" and "muh router across the house" issues.

mikas 5c is so fucking good

Not a perfect solution, just wire your fucking PC/console it's not hard.

>drop final part of combo
>proceed to choke for the rest of the set
Yep

Mika mirrors are the purest form of under night

There's nothing to breathe in these connections anyway.

Time to throw a wrench in that (and get worked while trying)! Hahaha

It's fast and has surprisingly good range on charge too.

Alright, I'm out. I think the netcode hates me what with all those 10 frame games. GGs, PC Lobby. Hope the network is treating you guys better.

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dammit I always mess that up on p2 side

Can't land a combo tonight for anything, knew coming in cold would have some adverse effects

>use dash macro on wakeup because mika is in air
>mika hits me and its somehow a fucking counter hit
just end me now

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I didn't know Wald 623C hit behind him at the end

GGs deska! Wishing better connections for you next time!

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So I CAN link 66B into 2C
Neat

When can you abare against Carmine? 2a is too short and 2b is too slow.

Ah fuck
Shit keeps being stuck in the match loading screen

PSNNNNNNNNN

With things this bad surely it'll improve in cl-r.

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Looks like the network issues are universal, hahaha.

Your 5B is fast as shit as Wagner
Just remember how many of my shit tend to be plus

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>implying they'll change a single damn line of netcode

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this is happening in the pc lobbies as well
arc sys mentioned an in-house solution when asked about netcode, but I wouldn't put stock in it until I see the results. chances are, though, they'll say the equivalent of "works in my country :^)" while every other region suffers.

anyone else have trouble blocking elt and orie overhead
akatsuki is fucking easy since its telegraphed to shit but it's so hard to tell the other two

>laughs in ishiwatari/mori/kidoka

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>anyone else have trouble blocking overhead
yes

>all those gun shots to leaping Mika's face
>that laser to leaping Mika's face
What a bully you are Razzy!

Orie's tends to be fast too
But welcome to netplay, most people tend to eat those.

Orie yes definitely. Elt's overhead I want to say is obvious in its animation, but I have a harder time blocking it as well compared to other overheads.

A magical night for netplay

if we're really lucky "in-house" means they jacked madscientist's code from cccaster

Gonna call it a night
GGs everyone, Wald buffs this Saturday

GGs
Let's see if EX Laser can catch that rock throw animation

GGs
inb4 rocks projectile crushing properties like his claws

what a horrible night to have a cursed netcode
work culture in japan being what it is, they'll poo poo any solution that is from outside the mandated, company-approved line of tricks. doubly so if it has origins from a gaijin.

Nothing until French Bread has at least thrice the number of animators they do now

I need to stop thinking and just let my muscle memory take over. I keep screwing myself like this.

In Vorpal it already crushes projectiles

GGs.

It's truly magical that UNIST will just decide to kick me out of PSN.
Mika needs it for all those shitty memes.

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>Keep thinking I'm messing up 2X inputs by doing them too early
>Turns out they're just not registering at all
I might need a new pad soon

>doing too many 2A causes the last hit of 214aa to whiff
Now I know

How many mikas does ps4 have

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I did the tutorial but I still dont understand when we're supposed to green shield

Currently? None
Oni/Gond are on PC and haruka shows up on a rare blue moon

>Mika needs it for all those shitty memes.
>mfw
Mika is a good girl with an honest game plan.

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Woo, those were some fun matches even though I got my but kicked more than half the time.

Hope I was able to add alittle bit of variety to the end of those PC fights. GGs PC Lobby. Catch you all later and thanks for the Mika mirrors/fights!

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Green shield is when you're desperately needing someone to get the fuck off your face but should only used in that purpose when the opponent is doing a move that's high commitment, easily telegraphed, and won't be able to CS/Reverse beat out of to grab your ass and grd break you for your troubles

That Dog looks so done with life. Wait...

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>this post

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Usually done to pushback an opponent. Just keep in mind that you'll be in additional block stun while performing a green shield.
GGs, Pyro.

ggs everyone, it's going to take me a while to get used to Mika's buttons

Fear not Raz, soon enough I'll meme the hell out of you and make you afraid to divekick against Mika "I dare you to jumpback against me" Returna ever again.

Bird's internet seems to be fucking with mine

GGs Atic.

To be fair Mika mirrors don't teach anyone anything

Yeah if it happens again I'll call it quits for the night

Okay, it's official

Yeah I dunno what's going on but clearly something is, so I'll turn in early. Sorry about that. GGs everyone.

It increases pushback, gives you GRD, and increases your frame advantage from a blocked attack by 3 frames at the cost of 10 meter per green shield attempt.

You usually green shield only at the end of an opponent's blockstring to stop them from resetting pressure or make a move that's normally safe on block like Merkava's 236C into something you can punish. The deeper layer of when to green shield is when you're close to the GRD cycle and need just a bit more to win it. A single shielded attack will give you enough GRD to win vorpal.

As a beginner, I think it's personally fine to just never green shield. You're better off not using it than spamming it recklessly, and you aren't that crippled by not using it.

You're only in additional blockstun on a whiffed green shield. A successful one decreases it like a regular purple shield

Green shields add blockstun no matter what. That's why people can be GRD broken by gold throw after green shielding an assault.

This normally doesn't happen so oh well. We get terrible performance across the board on certain weeks of the month. GGs

If you green shielded an assault, that means you fucked up the timing and got a second whiffed green shield.

You can ONLY green shield stuff like Akatsuki's B tatsu and Merkava's 236C since there's no gap between each part of the multihitting move. That's how you punish them.

No, green shield happens if the shield attempt occurs during the blockstun of the move itself, thus lengthening the blockstun, while blue shields occur if you shield before the hit is blocked. Green shielding the second to last hit of certain moves works because you automatically get a blue shield on the next hit of a multihit attack.

ggs mika lobby

Now I know that ex bullet does not beat or cancel out ex fireball.

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GGs pclobby. Hopefully its better next time so we can get something below 5f

>certain moves
files.catbox.moe/8wa1bu.mp4
Quit talking out of your ass.

The reason why don't see the green shield come out sometimes while trying to shield multihit moves is because when you press D late enough, there's not enough time for the green shield animation to come out

ggs

are you retarded because your nifty video there is showing exactly what he described.

I green shielded, the blockstun decreased, and I was able to punish a move that's normally not punishable on block. That is different from purple shielding since had Akatsuki CSed, the green shield would have whiffed and I would have gotten GRD broken. How the fuck am I wrong

Try green shielding the third hit and punishing then. Or actually, just green shielding any single move and punishing.

That's exactly what I did you mouthbreathing retard

I swear to god razzy you're mashing 2A at any opportunity

Also, going to end it soon since I need to up early. Feel free to continue playing without me, I'll probably be around for the thread-less lobby tomorrow if huo makes it for last minute practice

I kept thinking he'd do that when I fought him on pc but he always ended up jumping every chance he got instead of 2a.

Surprisingly no, I think I might need a new pad soon since my down-back on both sides seem to not stay when I'm holding them.
Thought I was being retarded, but I double-checked in training and that's what is popping up.

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You green shielded the second hit though? Again, try green shielding a single hit move and then punishing.

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try learning to count buddy.

>Lobbies exploding
>Pads dying
>Connections failing
What a culmination of frustration

Alright dumbass, clearly you don't know to even green shield in the first place.

You have to be in blockstun to green shield at all. If I try green shielding a single hit in neutral I'll always get purple shield unless I press D at the exact same time the move connects.

In the video I green shielded in between the gap of the second and third hit of B tatsu. The green shield animation activated and the third hit connected, causing my blockstun to be lowered by 3 frames. Had I shielded at the same of the third hit of B tatsu the green shield would have whiffed since there's no 4th hit, thereby increasing my blockstun.

Nigger, do you even play this game?

>unless I press D at the exact same time the move connects.
You've got to be baiting or you're playing a different game than the one we're talking about

>>In the video I green shielded in between the gap of the second and third hit of B tatsu. The green shield animation activated and the third hit connected, causing my blockstun to be lowered by 3 frames. Had I shielded at the same of the third hit of B tatsu the green shield would have whiffed since there's no 4th hit, thereby increasing my blockstun.
that's exactly what the guy was telling you all along you're just having some autism attack over semantics for some reason

>hurr u troll
Don't even bother responding if you can't provide an actual arguement

He said green shield always increases blockstun. Here I'm showing direct evidence of the contrary. A successful green shield decreases blockstun. A whiffed green shield increases it.

Your connection can go fuck itself with a rake, raz

GGs, i don't know who else in our area will show up to red-bull aside from me and merk but wish us luck

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GGs everyone, even those fucking Mikas in PClobby
Fuck, I don't feel shelling out that money for a new pad, but that tourney is on Saturday.

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GGs PSN lobby

GGs everyone
Too bad everything broke for everyone everywhere tonight.

>Your connection can go fuck itself with a rake, raz
Also this. One night Razzy you'll be trying to sleep and hear a strange noise outside, and when you go to investigate I'll be there personally installing a fiber line to your house.

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The moment I get some special dosh that I don't need, I'll get 15mb download internet instead of 5mb.

Hell I'll even FT10 you right now if you want direct evidence. Any platform.

>You have to be in blockstun to green shield at all.
That's exactly what I said.
>green shield happens if the shield attempt occurs during the blockstun of the move itself
>If I try green shielding a single hit in neutral I'll always get purple shield unless I press D at the exact same time the move connects.
This is flat out wrong. Just go into Training Mode and have the dummy do a single 2A, and press D after blocking the 2A to get a green shield during the 2A blockstun. This then causes pushback and increases your own blockstun.

>A successful green shield decreases blockstun
Is this seriously just semantics right now? Because you're basically describing a "successful green shield" in which you green shield and then the opponent follows up with another button which creates the equivalent effect of a blue shield and decreases blockstun. When I said green shield increases blockstun, I meant that you get a green shield while inputting the shield command during blockstun, which, when considered in isolation and given no other followup action by either player, increases blockstun. This is what you are referring to as whiffing the green shield.

>greenshield increases blockstun
>successful blue shield afterward cancels greenshield
this is a very simple concept, and you clearly know how it works because you just did it even though it took you two tries

You can't have that blue shield in isolation. It only comes out as a visual effect from getting hit after purple or green shielding. Why even bring it up

it's like you're desperate to argue about something even though you agree

Usually people refer to blue shield as the shield you get in neutral without blockstun. You seem to be making a completely unnecessary distinction by referring to that as a purple shield when it is equivalent in effect to a blue shield.

Now argue for half an hour about what constitutes the difference between the colours purple and blue.

It can be whatever color you'd like, but you might as well say that a neutral shield increases your blockstun always too since you're locked in place unless someone tries to hit you.

No, a neutral shield decreases blockstun, as in it increases your relative frame advantage, but locks in your blocking position, high or low. During green shield, you can change between high and low blocking positions but you are still at a frame disadvantage.

>You have 0 block stun
>Neutral shield
>Now you're locked in place and forced to block
Is that not considered an increase in blockstun

if you aren't being disingenuous to farm replies then you have a reading disability and this discussion is going to continue in circles.

Because blockstun involves actually blocking, and an increase in blockstun means a decrease in frame advantage. A neutral shield locks you into your blocking position regardless of whether you block something with it or not.

I'm just baffled how someone can be so aggressive when he's basically having semantic misunderstandings.

At this point I'm sick of arguing and rather just settle it with that FT10

There is no argument, everyone involved knows how shields work and one guy is mad that he's counting differently from the rest

>arguing
Everyone is literally agreeing but with different words.

If you press 4d within like 2f of attack connection you get both shields because you cancel the regular shield into green shield immediately despite its success and it's actually not very uncommon when reaction shielding assaults

give steam

That last guy wasn't me, but I do agree with him

Made a PC lobby, usual pass

i wanted steam cause i wanted to know whomst since i dont play at like 2am usually see me at human hours

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Give me a specific time and date then

Excluding this Saturday

suuuure is /vg/ in here

any time tomorrow is fine (past like 5pm) my timezone is pst and also im actually not the guy who was arguing semantics for 69 years just a gamer looking for games

We need another shield color for this situation.

More likely it's a bug in input buffering and hopefully they fix it altogether.

Oh

In that case "A Broken Lamp". The one with the Saber icon

Fucking Lamp.

ggs lainlain you need to workwork on youryour presspressure

>Saber icon
this thread makes a lot more sense now

whywhy areare youyou typingtyping likelike thatthat

I would have used Yuzu but apparently the pushback makes it so that Yuzu can't actually reach Akatsuki with 2A afterwards

So the lesson learned is that yuzu cant greenshield

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So basically
>Green shield to increase pushblock to get people off of you
>Do this on things on very minus specials/supers so the other guy can't just passlink or run up throw to GRD break you

Is that all?

I mean it's still good to do so to prevent any parry shenanigans after blocking B tatsu, and the only way I can punish it otherwise is for Akatsuki to do it point blank enough where I can throw him.

Merkava's reversal is way too hard for me to do consistently

You should also use it on multihit moves to safely get a chunk of GRD, unless for whatever reason you don't want to spend the 10 meter.

>lamp is a saberfag
Shoulda known.

>Merkava's reversal is way too hard to hit consistently with
What's wrong with it? I actually feel like its among the more consistent reversals in the game

It's not just on very minus ones. Take Merkava's 623A for example. It's +1 on block and he uses it to reset pressure in the corner. If you green/blue/whatever the fuck shield the last hit of it, it becomes -2 and you can use that opportunity to poke out.

For the record, Sion is the best Melty Blood and Akiha is the best Tsukihime

The timing on shielding only the last hit of his 236C is tricky and I don't have the muscle memory down to risk losing my turn from fucking up my green shield.

>Lamps an Akihafag

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If this is who I think it is, weren't you there at Evo on Sunday where we were arguing about the Heaven's Feel movies with Dia's roommate. I proudly declared myself to be a Saberfag back then

Oh you meant being on the receiving end of his reversal, my bad.

When people say "green shield" they're referring to *activating* the green shield. The hit that puts you in the blockstun that causes you to activate green shield instead of neutral shield is the move you are "green shielding".
Any time people are discussing shield's effects on frame advantage it is irrelevant which kind of shield was used as long as the move is shielded. You *shield* the final hit of a +1 move to make it -2, to do this you would *activate your green shield* after the penultimate hit is blocked so that the final hit is *shielded* thus decreasing your blockstun by 3 frames.

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Let it go already man.

I wasn't even part of that I was clearing it up since he sounded confused about it.

why would you go through the effort of saying "green shield" when there's no other option in terms of shielding a string with more than one hit? everyone understands what "shielding a hit" is, regardless if it's from neutral or in the middle of a blockstring. saying "green shield" just makes the most sense when you're referring to it activating and whiffing/not blocking a hit.

it's like you read the opposite of the post you replied to because that's precisely what it says...

typically a lot of people don't specify unless the context is benefited by the extra information. E.g. shield btatsu 3rd hit vs "he broke my green shield with an overhead" the latter having the shield type provided allowd you to infer he could have just blocked in that situation where as if it were ambiguous it could be interpreted as a 1ad callout