there are people on this board who unironically believe that Edelgard was justified

edgelard

Maybe Dimitri doesn't have a choice but to continue? If your people are so devoted to you that they go behind your back to turn into crest beasts and hate the empire so much do you really think they are just going to give in? And why should they trust Edelgard will let anyone live? Lying bitch that she is.

Better than Claude who gets absolutely no cutscenes or CGs since he either has a literal geric unit death animation or just fucks off forever

based and redpilled

You cant just see your best friend turn himself into a demonic beast after a friendship speech all for your victory and not feel determined to finish the fight

context retard, dimitri says this after getting his entire army killed. edelgard never planned to invade the kingdom in her route, just take out the church. dimitri took in rhea for no reason, he doesn't even like her nor is he religious. he did it just to piss of edelgard

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Edelgard is for room temperature IQ waifufags.

1. Dimitrifag is a retard mobile poster.
2. Edelgard in that scene was ridiculing his idiotic question, not trying to debate him.

I think it also happened because Rhea sensed weakness. It was basically a coup d'etat, or some religious version of that term.

>actually killing Claude
I told you Edelfags are mentally impaired

Not that user, but I asked him to join us.

Edelgard literally gets millions killed even on her own route due to killing the only person capable of stopping the dubstep missiles

If you attack him with anyone other than Edelgard or Byleth he auto dies IIRC

Dimitri doesn’t force his soldiers to fight, they want to not get fucking conquered

This is peak edeltardation
>just let yourself be conquered lmao

I am going to kill him for being a useless sack of shit in GD and just having all his shit handed to him.

Dimitri personally leads his loyal forces in a last ditch attempt at victory, Edelgard would have a point if he was sitting back in his castle letting forcing the enemy to invade he capital and letting his retainers defend it for him

You recall incorrectly, I sniped him with Bernie and let him live.

it was a pointless battle, if he truly wanted to help his men he should have surrendered. he was outnumbered at this point, the war was already lost. It wasent a fight for honor or even survival, rhea was basically using him and the kingdom as a human shield.

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What I don't get is why Edelgard doesn't try that shit with Cornelia in the Black Eagles route.

WHAT IS THIS
A FIRE EMBLEM THREAD FOR ANTS?

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The Dimitri in BE isn't the same as the one in BL; you don't have to defend him so vehemently.

Is this a clown for ants?

there's people on this board that think this shit is a good game.

>JUST LET YOURSELF BE CONQUERED LMAO

Holy shit the absolute state of you braindead faggots

His men don’t want to surrender because why would you surrender to an authoritarian regime that you already fought a bloody war to separate from and your most revered figured in history is a war hero from said war

He is the same if he wasn't fucked over. It isn't an excuse or anything, he is in character in all his routes.

They just claim that if he truly cared he would give up so it would save more lives. They are fucking edelfags what do you expect from them? Rational thought?

But "in character" doesn't mean "the same character." 5 years is a long damn time. He's ped an entirely different life and didn't have Byleth's influence.

Terrible image, but I agree. That line was so awful I cringed.

Then next chapter she calls Rhea a tyrant. In what world is Rhea a tyrant compared to Edelgard?

He is Dimitri who didn't have to go through the insane shit in his life that drove him nutso. In fact the professor picking BE gives him that outcome.

The same world where Edelgard solves her problems through peaceful protest, non existent.

rhea just burned downed the capital with all it's citizens still in it to protect herself, I would call that the act of a tyrant

There's no functional difference between Edelgard being an Emperor and Dimitri being a King either, if she's a tyrant then so is he since he actually has absolute power while she's still got to deal with Thales who is regent and the fucking Slithers

Dimitri has more relative control over his kingdom than she does, by the time she takes office the position of Emperor has been reduced to a figurehead and it's only over years of Hubert and his ninjas fighting a shadow war that she gains true authority and influence

Yet Dimitri still isn't the one forcing his people to fight for him, they love him and do it because they do.

Are Edelfags just chinese bugmen? They seem to love her communist dictator mindset.

Your city is under siege by a superior foe and have no aid coming. You know that if you don’t surrender there will be a violent sack that devastated everyone. If you surrender a city before the siege gets underway you’re very likely to get favorable treatment. Whatever your choice whatever happens is on you. I will never understand why this game has such fucking retards who don’t even finish the game that love to shitfling and fail to see their favorite character is as flawed as the rest.

But at that point why allow your men to die in a hopeless war? There’s no glory in more dead corpses. If there was a chance at winning sure, but at that point it was over

Are dimitrifags just closeted homosexuals? Yes yes they are

I love my wife Bernadetta! I want to be with her during dark nights and brighten up her day!

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Is that native Switch resolution?

>If there was a chance at winning sure
>kill Edelgard, Hubert and Byleth
>the entire Imperial power structure falls apart or gets fully taken over by slithers because Edelgard has no heirs

horse shit
look anyone's playthrough, if edel or byleth dont kill him, he dies with no option to spare

Kys tard

play the other routes fag

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The top leaders of the empire are all there on the battlefield and if you kill them you win.
Why not try one last time? This is the best chance they will get.

Kill yourself

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It's hard to assassinate a regent when the archbishop moves in next door, has completely lost her shit and brought her standing army of highly trained zealots with her.

i'm squinting really hard...

>powerful crest experiment cunt
>literal dragon god who decides the war every single route
Even still the might of the empire wouldn’t disappear. You take them out and the slitherers will take control and still steamroll your country. Stop pretending to be retarded

Nice.

Here's a spicy take, Yea Forums.

Edelgard = Charmander, the most popular, most hated and would be the objective worst if it weren't for developer favoritism (she has the highest total growth rates in the game).

Dimitri = Squirtle, the opposite of Edelgard's Charmander, everyone likes him and he more than gets the job done.

Claude = Bulbasaur, initially as popular as the other two, but is the most unique and objective best.

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I'M GONNA SAY THE D WORD!!

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Don't Dead
Open Inside

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killing that loser dimitri felt so good

I just finished Golden Deer, I'm tempted to do the following
>Play BE route
>Pick FemByleth
>Romance Edelgard, make sure she wants me
>Spend all game giving her gifts and affection
>Marry Hubert at the end
>Cuck Edelgard of teacher's love
>She now has to watch as her closest attendant gets what she's wanted all this time
Or should I skip BE and do BL?

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and Dimitri has the woman that MMA'd the OG unga to death on your team along with the full might of the Kingdom, Church as well as the Blue Lions who are all remarkably OP thanks to their crests

And I want to split her torso in half with a Killer Axe!

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It's the most rushed, but also the most unique compared to the others route due to just how different the whole board ended up by virtue of Byleth choosing to side with the invaders for once

>Must you continue to conquer? Continue to kill?
>no u

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>dimitri took in rhea for no reason, he doesn't even like her nor is he religious
edelgard would have invaded the kingdom either way, you stupid retard. literally proven in the other routes where she captures rhea and still tries to take over the continent, even further screws with dimitri to do it as if he wasn't miserable enough already.

>Conquest had a trash story despite the expertly crafted maps
>BE was fucking rushed

Why can't IS just write a good villain route?

She didn’t even care about conquest in BE (lol all she wanted to do was unite Fodlan and get to and capture or kill rhea, unfortunately dimitri took her in and she fled to the capital city so she had to do some strategic conquest in order to be in a position to raid and capture her.

He does have a choice, his obsession stops him from acting rationally, or to think about the people he should be protecting, it's pretty much the whole point of the character.

>lol all she wanted to do was unite Fodlan
????

I'm still not over just how hilariously fucking shit the writing in Fates was, if it wasn't the stupid shit like Garon actually being an evil slime monster, it was shit like the fucking baby dimension
how was it so bad? the gameplay is fine and the characters are alright, but jesus, Awakening's writing was generic but it wasn't offensive to the senses like Fates was

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her goal is the same with or without byleth, dumbass. even if she captured rhea she would still want to conquer the continent. literally what she does in the other routes.

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she has a point though. if you're going to kill people and if it's not for your own personal survival, you'd better have an ideological purpose for doing it. Edelgard is justified killing people for the right to self governance. but Dimitri doesn't care for politics and is happy to be Rhea's pawn so he is actually just causing more people to needlessly die.

>game released 2 months ago
>still arguing about the story
How the fuck, the story isn't complicated and every route is 80% the same. FE has already done route splits before, why is this one such a big deal?

the only one causing people to needlessly die is edelgard for causing an unnecessary war.

>Edelgard is justified killing people for the right to self governance.
>self governance
so that's why she destroys a 300 year old independent state that once fought for the right of self-determination against the exact same government?

>Noooo you can't conquer Fodlan
Why?

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it would kill a lot of people

The story is literally different between CF and the other routes. In CF she only tries to raid LA to gain access to a vantage point into Faerghus and battles Claude because he’s what’s standing between her and aide from the Leicester Alliance.

>sitting back in his castle letting forcing the enemy to invade he capital and letting his retainers defend it for him
it's funny because Edeltard does just that
in GD at least

>Edelgard's empire is in the right for invading and subjugating nations, forcing them to bow down
>this is self-governance
Edeltards are truly very special.

Can Bernadetta do anything other than Bow knight?

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They're not closeted, as the poll results has shown us.

no it isn't, retard. edelgard's goal is the same either way.

It's a big land

The line's supposed to be dismissive given the context of the battle, but the VA delivered it as a sassy rebuttal when it isn't, making it sound like a cringy "no u" to the person whose country you're currently invading. Her next line is about doing anything to realize her ideals, they could've cut pic related and kept that line and there'd be no issue. No idea why they told the VA to imitate a text-to-speech voice for the whole game in an attempt to sound "stoic"

You can say that but the game is written so that Edelgard goes down a much different path if she doesn’t have Byleth with her

the church of seiros is the deep state controlling the three territories. getting rid of a theocratic state is objectively good

would you defend california if it decided to conquer the flyover states, retard.

Look at this absolute Chad's chin

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>wants to kill everyone and rule the continent in non-CF routes
>kills everyone and rules the continent in CF
stupid edeltard

Is that Dedue's daughter?

Because they don’t want to go through with making their villain routes actually you siding with the villains.

why, what did the church do wrong
are you persecuting them because they're a church

why the fuck should you side with her? For all her talk of reaching out for one another she's consistently a self-serving, zealous retard that doesn't deserve your sympathy much less your support

If they can't defend themselves, they don't deserve independence, tranny.

>Same old arguments that have been thoroughly countered tens of times by now
Get some new material if you're gonna keep shitposting.

>would you defend california if it decided to conquer the flyover states, retard.

California commies? Fuck yea I would join rural states fucking suck

All FE threads talk about is conquest, kingdoms, empire, routes, slitherers, right and wrong.

I just want to pound and impregnate MILF pussy for God's sake!

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killing religiousfags is never wrong

muh crests
please note that this gives me the right to do anything I want, no blood on my hands at all it's all the crests' fault
church bad

Well, in CF she actually gains the support of half the Leicester alliance because despite """"peace"""" the Alliance and Kingdom fucking hate each other and have been fighting for a very long time, so half are willing to side with the Adrestians

She also gains the support of border regions of the Kingdom after fighting off Almyra because Crimson Flower!Dimitri is a Serious mommygf obsessed pawn who abandons border security entirely

talking a lot of shit for a cuck who would quietly let the trannies roll you over

Not possible to carry a conversation with you retards when you strawman and then use hyperbole ad nauseam. If you’ve played all the routes and the difference between the events in CF are not apparent to you you might have brain damage or are obviously shitpoating considering you are all about how edelgard’s methods are wrong but won’t bother to pay attention to how they differed between the routes. Goodbye.

They always back out of a true villain route. 3H has Edelgard seemingly plotting assassinations and kidnappings for most of Part 1 and then has a twist that she was actually just a chuuni fuck hanging around while the cultists did everything bad. Every route just bends over backwards to reach the same generic good end with a unified continent and everything is some degree of better for everyone

The whole game was rushed. People here praise the Blue Lions as the best route but even that had the low budget parts that should have been more impactful like Rodrigue taking a shank for Dimitiri.

I liked Dimitri and Rodrigue but the two stills they used for that scene really didn't do much for me

lmao how is it a hyperbole, that's literally what she does

>want to marry Annette
>her supports with Ashe are fucking cute
oh shit, considering going for mommy Manuela, but I was planning to pair her with Seteth, fuck

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Even if she does act better in CF than the other routes, how would that justify (You) ever siding with her after all the shit she did. It just makes you look like a battered housewife slinking back to her after she threatens to kill you and your students for not immediately bowing down to her insane demands

N-No she's a good girl this is all because of those evil crests and that bad church!

Yes, protecting them from Edlegard and her pointless, selfish war that just moves the continent from relative peace under an excessively firm hand, to total hell under the hand of a genocidal madwoman. Edlegard is the villain, just admit it to yourself and enjoy being the bad guy.

>what did the deep state do wrong

dude the moment you step into the monastery, Rhea and Seth are ordering you to go massacre people of different sects of the same religion. why would anyone think it's normal for a hurch to have an army that goes across the country to slay dissidents? that's not a fucking church, that's a deep state

Do BL if you want to watch Dimitri go more and more insane.

should I buy Conquest
is it really "so bad it's good"?

you mean half of the adrestians side with the empire because they're literally at the border between adrestia and leicester so they would get their teeth kicked in first if they invaded

>dissidents attempt high treason by stealing priceless and powerful relics and assassinating the pontiff of the entire church, ironically enough on Edelgard's payroll
>bandits going around raping and pillaging
they deserve death

because they literally had proof that the sect were planning multiple

>not siding with the winning side
I'll enjoy castrating rednecks like you and fucking the shit out of your wives, girlfriends, sisters, and daughters.

The strong prey on the weak, Cletus, and the inbred flyover cucks are weak as shit.

>hey Rhea these people did experiments that killed most of my family
>they also said the goddess sucks
>OK LEMME AT EM
Would have saved a lot of trouble. Eddy is a lot like Rudolph since they both start a war to destroy a shady cult that had influence in their court. However, while Rudolph's weird 4d chess was partially justified since Zofia was being run by lazy fucks and he could ask no other country for help.
Edeltard could have easily gotten aid from the church. I am sure they would have been willing to help if she just told them about the slithers.

gameplay wise, its really fun, well crafted maps that really make you think about what you are doing with fun objectives
story wise, good lord, I wish you luck, its so bad it needs to be experienced first hand

Unironically executive meddling user.

Kibayashi’s original script was probably a lot more coherent before Nintendo mucked it up

Gameplay's pretty good, but the characters and story are awful. Not even "so bad it's good" tier, just bad. Other than Takumi's hateboner, you can skip all the cutscenes and lose nothing

dude they literally planned to assassinate the pope. MULTIPLE TIMES.

>H-Heh just ignore the fact that those """people""" are actual assassins, spies, and generally villainous assholes
Wow Edeltard you sure got us there

When you say bad, I need to know; is it a story that'll bore me, that'll make me laugh, or will fucking infuriate me?

Yeah, killing treasonous murderers, lawless serial killers and thieves, and assassins is totally bad. Should have let all those madmen slaughter everyone! Figures people like you would side with the most prolific and heinous murderer of the bunch, Edlegard.

>Unnecessary war

Fodlan is objectively better off in the long run in every route with nearly all of the deep rooted issues plaguing the continent for a millenia finally resolved

Seriously does anyone who say this shit step back and look at the fucking awful state the continent is in at the time the game takes place?

Edelgard is probably the dumbest bitch in FE. She might actually dethrone Aqua.

Edelgard doesn't declare war on the Kingdom in the CF route, Dimitri moves on her in protection of Rhea.

aren't you the truly weak one

I'm thankful 3H has no child units whatsoever.

I'd say it's groan-worthy. Too dumb to be infuriating but takes itself too seriously to be funny. Some of the plot contrivances can be funny in an absurd way though

>awful state
most of fodlan's recent troubles were literally all caused by the slitherers

And BE clears them all up easily in the end in a short blurb in the epilogue because the writers had no idea what the fuck they should even do anymore

The power of Edelgard! Some of the story really makes it feel like it's even worse than Awakening.

And yet none of that compares to the original dragon god.

To be fair the war was the only reason those who Wub in the Dub get brought into the light. Edelgard is still a retard for cooperating with them even after they poked their heads out of their holes but at least the relatively sane groups deal with them in their routes, even if it's a complete accident on Dimitri's part.

>handwaves all the problems an unstable empire would face after destroying 2 independent nations and spitting on the dominant faith on the continent while needing to fight a shadow war against molemen
If they gave you a miserable ending after BE all the normalfags would be furious, especially if they didn't revive Blyat at the end despite him having no reason to survive

Only conquest, fuck the rest of fates. It has kino maps and great ost. Everything else is meh to trash

>hey, you should add child units to Fates
>b-but Awakening had a reason for child units, Fates doesn't
>lmao add them anyway
it doesn't help that all the child units in Fates were shit anyway, I was mostly bothered by how your unit seems to have a baby fucking immediately after the S-rank and its never clear how much time passed, it was so sloppily done you can tell it was tacked on
how do you think they would have implemented them? baby dimension again?

Unga killed the original dragon god

At the time of the route split there is definitely enough doubt I Rhea between Jeralt’s diary and that creepy post Ch.10 dialogue and Seteth’s panic at what the fuck is going on to think that there is something amiss with Rhea.

Edelgard is practically beating you over the head with that she is the FE and up to Remire earnestly believes she can talk you over to her side bit by bit. I would wager a lot of the slitherers actions pre time skip were to throw a wrench in her plans for that especially post Ch.4

Yeah, I'm sure she wasn't going to reconquer the kingdom this time, bro. For sure. If Dimitri didn't defend the church and all the innocents in it, she would have just forgotten that she intended to take over all of Fodlan! And flowers and unicorns would have shot out her ass.

16-20 years time skip, literally
So basically the binding blade

Rhea made no effort to question the rebels and give them trials despite their pleading that they were only following orders and we're fooled. for all we know the attacks on the church were false flag attacks. the fact is rhea is the spook head of the deep state and ousting her from power by any means necessary is justifiable. edelgard wanted people to govern people, not lizards to govern them.

Why are so many faggots so deranged to spam their gay boar? Why are waifufags so retarded and keep posting their waifu bait dummy? Why doesn’t the best boy Claude get any retards that tout him? His house has hands down the best girls and does the heavy lifting of cleaning up all the threats to fodlan. Plus HIL DA HIL DA

Edeltard criticizing Rhea for killing people without trials

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>every day the same type of thread with the same discussion reaching 500+ posts
I don't know whether I should find it tiresome or if I should be glad that the game provided a good, divisive plot that keeps people entertained

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>edelgard wanted people to govern people, not lizards to govern them.
No, she wanted Edlegard to govern people, and Edlegard is more of a monster than any dragon.

It's more like Edelgard fags are so hilariously delusional that their inanities and headcanon can keep entire threads fully entertained.

>the spook head of the deep state
the fact that you're using that retarded terminology already outs you as a complete fucking faggot but in case you didn't realize, the only people stopping self-governance were the fucking slitherfags. Flayn and Seteth don't give a shit and Rhea was more than prepared to abdicate in favour of (You). Rhea made mistakes, but you backtracked from claiming she murdered mere dissidents after you were BTFO to "b-but she didn't give them fair trial" despite high treason being grounds for summary execution.

>for all we know
We do know. Thales hired them, he says so verbatim. Rhea's a dumbass for not investigating but killing the people who just tried to kill her is hardly the worst thing about her or the church

Its kinda tiring for me tb h, cant find a decent thread for maddening discussion, and the constant shit-flinging isnt remotely fun to read

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I want the boar to be happy for once.

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That's because she's the best choice, visit /r/fireemblem we've got tons of long posts pointing out why her route is overall happiest for Fodlan. Claude/Dimitri threads on the other hand all boil down to "baw she made my boyfriend mad :(".

lol for a moment I thought you were talking about Aqua from Konosuba

From Edelgard’s perspective and the knowledge she has at the time from being a future emperor, humanity is being manipulated from behind the scenes and indoctrinated by an alien threat via a lie concerning the origins of crests

Granted she is missing a LOT of context and nuance in that information, but she isn’t exactly WRONG in a technical sense. I can get disagree with the methods but saying the war has no point is crazy talk, there is a very clear point

>visit /r/fireemblem

>Rhea made no effort to question the rebels and give them trials
Yeah, where were the trials for the millions Edlegard and her army slaughtered in the raid on the church and subsequent all out war on the rest of the continent?

>good, divisive plot
user I had fun with 3H but don't dignify all this shitposting

>Going to reddit

I saw this bait post the other day

Morally gray plots are so foreign to Yea Forums that people's heads start hurting when they can't objectively designate a character either a hero or a villain, as seen here

Claude is a handsome lad, but I really dig Dimitri's character arc in the Blue Lions, not to mention I unironically dig his edge
I also love all of my BL children, they all deserve to be happy with their king

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Tell that to the Alliance, outside of what happened to ordeila no slitherfaggotry yet you still have Gloucester killing off merchants and other political rivals. And Faerghus suffers from occasional famines

Edelgard steps down in most endings, no? That or she just fucking dies.

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Edelgard isn't a monster, but she is retarded, self-righteous, ignorant and all-around irritating to be around.

It has better discussion than most Yea Forumsemblem threads.

>all endings the same contrived fairy tale ending that handwaves all problems
>but read my reddit essay on a fictional continent's sociology and why my first playthrough has a better ending than yours
Bait

That r/fireemblem thinks Edletard is best is all the evidence you need to know she objectively is the worst.

This would happen irregardless of the church's existence. Hell, Leicester is the country that the church has the least influence on, with the Eastern Church basically having no power.

Maddening is bullshit, don’t bother

t.someone who beat maddening

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yeah I was gonna say, It has to be a falseflag

So she fits in with the other two lords in terms of being comically flawed, I don’t get the fuss

Yeah, bro, nice argument. Morally grey people slaughter millions to get their way all the time. You people are imbeciles.

Wait...the "special title change" for beating Maddening is just piss-colored beams? Are you serious?

>here's stale twitter meme #7485
>"deep" character analysis anyone with 2 brain cells could figure out just from playing the game
>dipshit comments parroting OP for epic upvotes :D
>fanart (only saving grace)
>LGBTQIABRAAAP nonsense
i don't think so

I guess I'll add it to my backlog.

No, she dies in most endings because she is the primary antagonist of the game getting her comeuppance.

yeah, but BL and GD addresses both their flaws and they move on from it. Edelgard just wallows in her ignorance and you enable her to continue being a retard in hers

not him, I think I'm going to do it for my Deers run even if it isn't worth it. I'll get gud through a trial by fire.

It's what I did user.

Remember Ashe is the one most likely for Gilbert to give his blessing to and help mend the broken family.

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You mean your idea of Neutral isn't killing thousands of innocents to remove a threat you're wrong about with the end goal of uniting the land under your rule?

As an aside, what would Edelgard even have to do to get these people to call her evil? I mean seriously

But she is a woman, so she must be right and good! Except Reah, she don't count because she is religious XD

>morally gray
>characters' moralities depend solely on the mute self-insert's proximity
All this shitposting won't make this game's story nuanced, no idea why fictional characters are suddenly so upsetting to people

Notice how in every single one of these threads Edeltards prove they only played her god awful route where everyone is out of character.

Letting you choose a house was a mistake, the game should just be a combination of BL and GD. Every single route shares the same maps both before and after timeskip bar like 1 or 2. Infact I think GD is the only route with a unique/exclusive map.

This is why they didn't sell the game in 3 parts like Fates.

player knowledge =\= in game character knowledge

even Ashe gets shook up because he's starting to doubt the church's moral authority. Edelgard uses violence to fundamentally reshape fodlan to make it better for its people. Rhea uses violence to resurrect her mommy and kill anyone who wants to stop her or oust her from power. you have to be stupid to think Rhea is the good or neutral political force in the game.

>no Dimitri/Claude/Byleth bro route
why
just add the S-Support with Rhea from Church route and it'd be perfect

>Edelgard uses violence to fundamentally reshape fodlan to make it better for its people.
oh shit so those famines, religious pogroms and human experimentation in BL/GD/Church is improving things?

Yup. That's all it is.

Anyone with an opinion beyond "Every lord is a retard and Byleth's presence is the only thing keeping them from drowning in soup" is a moron who only played one route.

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Necessary sacrifices since a lot of Fodlan is basically brainwashed by Rhea, besides Rhea and the Church did way worse shit during their 1000 year dark age.

No, retard. Edlegard starts a 5 year great war and ruins or ends millions of lives in every route. All of them. Only in her route does it work out positively. In the other 3/4 of the timelines, the world would have been better off without her, and indeed it is better without her. And Reah steps down for Byleth in all of them, so that little lie of yours is out the window.

Haha bro we finally fixed inequality after killing countless people! Now everyone is equal! Okay, so my noble friends will be given all these high positions, and everyone else can just compete. Good luck commoners you can do it, overcome the massive wealth, connection, and education gap spanning hundreds of years! Commoners and nobles are finally equal!

>where everyone is out of character

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The argument isn't about who is right, it is trying in vain to explain to Edletards that she was the most wrong.

You opened by saying that Rhea orders you to kill dissidents upon arrival and kills people without trial, but the player knows that Arundel (Thales) is behind it. All this shit about false flags and the deep state is unnecessary, the game isn't subtle at all with this stuff. Don't even know why you're responding to me anyway when I never claimed Rhea was good/neutral

>Necessary sacrifices
remember comrade, utopia is only just few more massacres away. Just ignore all the corpses being piled up in mass graves and it'll be okay.

user, this is Edeltard logic you just have to go with it. Rhea bad, so this means Edelgard good even if Edelgard does the same things that makes Rhea bad.

Why do Edeltards believe the literal only way to solve crest racism is buy conquering the entire continent in a bloody war killing thousands in the process to establish a meritocracy?

It is true. Most of BE have no reason to side with Edelgard and the ones that do only do so because they are fucking dumb (Bernie and Caspar) or have a shallow reason like Nobles R Stoopid!

>you have to be stupid to think Rhea is the good or neutral political force in the game.
She is far less bad than El, that's the point being made. READ.

You literally rein in Edelgard from her worst impulses that we see in full display in other routes. All people seem to be complaining about is that is tard wrangling they don’t like.

Dimitri is literally a damn fucking animal who dies offscreen in half the routes and Claude is a chickenshit open borders hippie who fucks off to Almyra in literally every ending, only accomplishing anything in a route that is almost conquest-esque in how much the narrative will bend over itself to make him relevant.

Edelgard’s slightly more humane Oda Nobunaga esque conquest against mommy complex space jesus is no worse than any of thes, not to mention the route definitely has the better unique maps with Tailtean and actually doing the storming of Garreg mach

You don't understand, everything is so much better without crests. Now nobility has to rely on the wealth, networking, and higher education they already had instead of crests in order to lord it over peasants. The system is fixed!

People are getting visibly upset arguing about an anime game
The absolute state of Yea Forumstards

>edelgard route literally ends in a golden age
>butthurt otomefags still try and meme that there were massacres

No war = no game, no point in dignifying the sociopolitical aspects of a setting when everything in it is dictated by delusional anime teenagers

>You literally rein in Edelgard from her worst impulses
You literally do nothing but kill her enemies so she wins.

I don't understand why more people don't bring that shit up. Crests or no crests, nobles are still rich fuckers owning vast amounts of land and can obviously pay for top of the line education and healthcare. We see that in our "fair and equal" world even now so it can't just be handwaved off. Ferdinand has to suggest public education to her because the dumbfuck hasn't even considering that illiterate shitfarmers might not be capable of holding high authority in a continental empire

>is it a story that'll bore me, that'll make me laugh, or will fucking infuriate me?
I can't say how you'll experience it, but for me it was a horrifying mixture of "all of the above"

Amazing how many retards still think it’s about siding with Edelgard when literally all the out of house students join in the first place because of (You)

I mean Hilda in BL straight up says she couldn’t care less about Dimitri and only came back to the monastery because of you. Lysithea says this as well.

>the writers handwaved literally all of the potential negative consequences as a result of conquering, an empire-wide change in a class system, and a high-tech group of shadowy terrorists
>this doesn't mean it's bad writing
>it just means edelgard is right

Not only is that wrong, that applies to literally every route in the game. What in the fuck in is your point lmfao

>Byleth reigns in Edelgards worst impulses
>he's literally not there for the five years where she goes full retard in all other routes
>doesn't do it in her route
So am I supposed to believe that Edel stays sane because someone sided with her five years ago and then, for all she knows, fucking died? Shouldn't that make her worse?

>personal self-loathing, self-destruction
>personal cowardice and irrelevance
>continental conquest
One of these flaws deserved more than 18 chapters to "rein in," but given that "reining in" in this game is just having Byleth stand silently next to a character I'm not mad

Because Edeltards are as stupid as she is.

>Not only is that wrong,
LOL what exactly did Byleth do? Make the shitty waifus heart go doki doki then "die" for 5 years.

Don't bother, these are the same retards that were all about helping Dimitri 'kill every last one of them' but became pussied out moralfags when it was actually time to kill people.

uh
I don't know

It's still a dumb JRPG despite all the shitposting, you're not supposed to actually think about logic and consequences, just have fun and kill god

>muh handwaving
This is coming from the same group of faggots that tout an ending where the slitherfag base is kept wholly intact and Fodlan is still painfully unaware of the true origins of crest allowing Rhea’s warped religious structure to continue to exist is the “””””canon””””” and best ending for Fodlan.FOH

She's not, she's flawed. Every lord is majorly flawed.

Edelgard has tunnel vision due to being experimented on and having her life shortened mixed with a strong sense of patriotism to the Empire. She does so much shit because, to her, the world NEEDS to change and she won't live long enough to do it the calm way. She's also functionally held prisoner by Dubsteppers in part 1 because they can just have her killed and replaced if she doesn't play along, plus her uncle is on their side.

Dimitri has so much rage and anger boiling inside him since the death of his father and the treatment of the Duscar mixed with a religious kingdom, a love for combat and Edlegard-autism that once it all snaps, he does too and becomes a man with nothing to live for besides violently lashing out against everyone who hurt him, sort of like a wounded animal, possibly one with tusks. Those flames are fanned in the war making him think he's the ONLY one who can stop Edelgard because he gave her a dagger to tell her he loved her once.

Claude is removed from most of Fodlan and is too much of a coward to really confront his problems, so he tries to scheme and deflect around them. His inaction means that he can't stand up to aggressors when the time is right and its only with Byleth that his efforts are focused anywhere useful.

And Rhea is an immortal demigod who watched her mother killed and siblings turned into weapons, something that drove her so far off the deep end that she had to fake her own death and assume another identity that she used to manipulate an entire continent for a thousand years through the church with the singular focus of getting back what she lost, because she never got over her trauma until Byleth/Sothis came back.

None of the route main characters are remotely good people and every one of them is guilty of extreme arrogance. Arguing over "who's the worst though" is juvenile.

>CHURCH BAD!

A moral anchor does wonder, user, even tho said anchor is “dead”
He had a whole year with her anyway

Get this anons, what if this game's writing is contrived and not worth arguing about?

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That's pretty retarded.

>Most of BE have no reason to side with Edelgard
They absoltely do and there's quite a range of reasons.
The only thing that doesn't make sense is why would they switch sides so quickly in the tomb. That split was done lazily

Muh reddit
It's either that or put them all in > to break them up, but only retarded newfags use greentext to make a point.

There’s a standard noble commoner divide and then there’s adding a TANGIBLE,religious mandate from heaven on top of it in terms of crests There is 100% a difference.

And like we see IRL like with slaves the generational impact of those lies echo into modern day

I've said it before, and I will say it again, Edelgard is a bad person and is written as such. It is ironically at its clearest in Black Eagles, where you spend the most time around Hubert and her. When it isn't Byleth's life being threatened, it's backroom talks amounting to "How can we make them useful to us?". Edelgard herself acknowledges she is a horrible creature, and has more respect for you in the routes where you tell her to fuck off rather than giving in to your carnal desire to ejaculate in her hair. If you give in to her, she sees you like her favorite toy, leaving you high and dry once you're no longer useful to her, coming back to you only once she's decrepit.

Everything about her is manipulative, diseased. Dimitri is there to show people what happens when you try to reach out to her, or worse, submit. People keep trying to meme her as a failed Arvis with tits, but that was never the point of her character in the first place. Redemption or remorse aren't in her vocabulary, she's a sociopath that has to be put down. The only reason her route turns out good is because of Byleth's divine interference, and he ends up the worst off in a world where his very existence is banned.

There is only one very obvious angle to liking her.

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>handwaving an argument complaining about how all the problems are handwaved in the epilogue with just a few sentences by saying ">muh handwaving"
Edeltards are really something else.

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>proper formating is reddit spacing now

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Congratulations, you managed to give a shallow summary of all the leaders, but you forgot one key difference. Rhea, Dimitri and Claude realized their flaws in their respective routes. Edelgard stays blissfully ignorant and you not only refuse to admonish her for her stupid deeds like you do with Dimitri, but you go ahead and enable, validate and vindicate her pathological ideology because "muh cute emperor"

>now
What a fucking faggot, never come back to this website.

I am doing church route now and recruited everyone.
Give me some ideas for BL/GD meme runs, so I won't get bored playing with the same characters in same classes. Gonna play on hard btw, because I'm afraid of Maddening raping me even with DLC/NG+ bonuses.

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BL is fun because Dimitri is an insane Edgelord until someone finally has the guts to tell him cut the shit.

Fuck off with your censored game.

>paragraphs are Reddit spacing
this will never not be dumb

>But Edelgard is good if you ignore 3 out of 4 routes!

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Rhea fucking dies her her route m8. And no I’m not an incestfag so I’m not fucking her

Arvis is unironically more likable than Edelgard. It's kinda sad, if Edelgard were a guy I'm not sure if anyone would defend his retarded plans that have absolutely no vision of the future or grip on reality.

>But edelgard is bad if you ignore this route!

Do you miss the part where Edelgard calls herself a horrible monster or do you ignore them? Dimitri, Claude, and Rhea all don't believe they're in the wrong, Edelgard does but believes the alternative is worse and to her, it is. It's a pretty classic tradition vs revolution plot and done pretty well by having the revolutionaries be the faction that's the most tradition minded.

I’d rather be evil than the irrelevant garbage that is Claude and Dimitri if that’s the logic you’re going to abide by

>slitherfags wholly intact
Their leader is fucking dead, the average dubstep nigger can get murdered by any of your shitters they literally pose no threat anymore.
>true origins of crests
Bears absolutely no importance, knowing where they come from wouldn't change anything in the general populace and the crests importance was diminished anyway since Sylvain worked his ass to stop crest discrimination.

>Does church route
>Doesn't romance Rhea
What, did you just want to have a fishing trip with Seteth that badly?

she realizes her mistakes before she dies in Church/GD. We don't see her in BL but she's probably in the same state of mind after, but whatever

Plants to abdicate the throne in her S rank with you, numbnuts.

You don't need to fuck her, an A-rank is enough for her to survive.
It's also not incest.

Edelgard realized her flaws in CF tho? The is constantly agonizing over “is all this mess worth it?”, mellow out on her “destroy everything” but “yield, i dont want needless bloodshed”
Its hard to see her actually improving since her problem is a much more subtle one, not as dramatic as Dimitri or Rhea

>Edelgard does but believes the alternative is worse and to her
that means she believes in the right you reading comprehension lacking buffoon. Dimitri knows he's a monster. Rhea is ambigious but she knew she was decaying and hoped to pass the Church off to you and Claude really isn't that bad of a person, just very passive and apathetic

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Arvis was fantastic, and that people keep trying to compare him to her infuriates me to no end. Maybe if he stayed the way he was before the timeskip, but older Arvis is where shit just falls off completely. People can lament that Edelgard doesn't receive development like that in the timeskip, but they're not even on the same level. Edelgard is more on Eldigan's level, hell, she fits the Camus archetype more than she does anything else.

>what is Nemesis
>he think defeating the leader alone is enough
user, they Slitherers fucked around Fodlan for a thousand year, you think a dead leader is enough for them to give up? And the fact that in BLthey dont even really know how deep those fuck spread their tentacles isnt a great sight either
Only GD truly eradicates the threat (somewhat)

>Morality is utterly black and white
Shades of grey, smoothbrain. You're one of the retards who complained about Fates being too binary in its morality, aren't you.

Nigga your mom is a homunculus made from her blood and your dad has so much of her blood he bears her crest now. She is related to you in some way

If Edelgard didn't start the war, Dimitri and Claude would still be wise rulers. They both have the qualities to be good rulers in peaceful times. Take away the war from Edelgard, and what can she do?

You annihilate them pretty soundly in the Church route as well as tear Rhea out of the Archbishopry. But then again, Church route is for people who want to get things done instead of bicker.

Church route is the only route where I actually felt like a hero.

A leading question since Edelgards problem was with the status quo of her kingdom and the continent at large. If she didn't go to war then her problems would persist and that'd be it. If her issues were magically fixed like Dimitri becoming more sane and Claude growing a pair, she'd probably just be a rule like anyone else. Probably a lot like Chrom.

>people who want to get things done
yeah, I really want to do Rhea

Because it's the route where you let the children kill each other and clean up their mess, which is the only thing a teacher in your position can really ask for.

I guess it fits in a way, considering that the Camus archetype is by far the worst and most retarded archetype to come out of FE.

You wouldn't your dragon daughter mommy pope

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Morality exists solely by virtue of the lords being around (You). I don't give a shit about that, I want to know what conceivable reason anyone should pick Edelgard besides Rhea being a bit creepy. It just makes you look like a simpering faggot instead of an actual stoic mercenary or teacher

>Church route
>fuck Edelgard
>fuck the Argathan
>Dimitri and Claude can go die for me
>fuck the neighboring countries too, you cant touch us
>become the literal God King of mankind
It was strange, but it was glorious

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Edelgard doesn’t start the war she likely gets deposed by Arundel/Thales and Dimitri has the same shit happen to him that does in every non CF time skip. Lord knows what a shitheap Fodlan would be in that nightmare scenario

T-that's heresy!

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>bit creepy

Because she's literally a psychotic, possibly incestuous, ruthless reptilian madwoman who's been running the entire continent behind the scenes for years for her own selfish ends and built a church for the sole purpose of manipulating the populace you dipshit. It's like if old /pol/ wrote a villain.

repopulating the Nabatean people with Lady Rhea is the furthest thing from heresy

I feel like non CF routes do a good job of conveying the fact you are a small rebel force. In church its kind of cool as it really is just the church, all three territores are in shambles, though I think BL does this pretty well too. With CF I can't help but feel like aggressor, which os both interesting and weird. The campaign being shorter makes it feel like the Adrestian empire was already on tbe cusp of victory, you being there just makes it come even quicker, and most of the campaign is crushing smaller rebel forces. I personally do see it as the "evil" route but I like that, though I question if that was the intention.

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delet this

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IMO, BL was the most fun. Best character redemption story I've ever seen from a FE game, and while it never really did fill you in on the "why is this happening" bits, GD did so wonderfully. Both houses were a fucking treat to play.

BE though....I find myself trudging through it at a very slow pace because Edelgard and the rest of the house just seem so...unappealing (Minus Bernie and Dorothea). I might not even finish my run.

Church route is the best route for anyone old enough to pay taxes. Let all the stupid children ruin themselves and die and bring about a Utopian age with the other sane adults. And maybe fuck the pope.

To that end, it was also the route that felt the most melancholy. You spend so much time with all the youngsters for the majority of the game, only to end up alongside the older people who've already gone through sad shit like this. That it's unironically possible to fix Rhea with your dick is hilarious, it's like F.Byleth and Dimitri.

>the empire is basically under controlled by Arundel
>the kingdom is shattering even in the preskip
>the alliance is in a state of unrest
>slitherers are confident enough to show themselves
Tb h, war will happen, no matter what. The only different is who will start the war, and how will it play out

This is just as retarded as the "Edeltard" spammers.

that scene with Dimitri in the rain really sold me on the route. I hear people say you're most attached to your first playthrough house but I pretty much ditched the BE after my Lions playthrough

You lose some kids, but you can drag all the smart ones who bail with you into paradise.

I was actually planning to run Golden Deer next, gonna go with a female Byleth because the stupid game won't let me go gay for Claude

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Fine, just the facts then.
She's been driven nearly mad after seeing her mother die and has held a grudge for a thousand years and THEN faked her death and developed a church to manipulate the masses so she could rule the continent from the shadows.

You don't know any of that when you make the choice. All you know is that Rhea's the pope who destroys armed uprisings and kills bandits and has some shady buisness relating to Byleths origins.
Edelgard on the other hand admits that she is related to everything bad that happend to you in part 1, and just got done trying to kill Byleth and his entire class.

I sniped him with Shamir and he died immediately. I'd have to agree with Edelgard or Byleth needing the killing blow.

>why would you side with someone ostensibly trying to kill you because this other person is suspicious
>um because after you take a baseless leap of faith you learn why they were suspicious
The choice in the tomb is dumb, no way around it

>muh both sides are bad
That kind of thinking got Trump elected, sometimes there is a good side and a bad side.

In GD, you find out in Claude/Byleth's paired ending that the slitherers combine with the Empire remnants and lead an army that almost reconquers all of Fodlan if not for the intervention of Claude with the Almyran army.

GD did not eradicate the threat. They knocked off the main leader and one base.

But it's fine because a unified Fodlan more or less should be capable of shitting on anything the Slitherers do in any path. They fucking suck at accomplishing anything really.

If you don't finish all four routes before forming a moral opinion on the characters, you're a retard.

>5 Hours old
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3H discussion really died out, huh

rent free

I dunno mang from the end of Ch.9 onwards there are enough red flags combined with the savvy jrpg player knowing churches historically are up to no good to think maybe I shouldn’t side with her here. That was the case for me

Now givw us somw reasons why they wouldn't join user

Did you not talk to Flayn or Seteth before the tomb or something? Did you not notice that Seiros just happened to have the same voice as Rhea? It was painfully obvious that all the green-hairs were dragons.

Lysithea's makes a good amount of sense.

Yeah, flyover states are filled with terrible people

>this church is bad because of JRPG tropes
I thought the same thing user but let's not pretend the writers set that decision up well

Arguing with meta knowledge that no character could possibly have to justify a choice is retarded

do you know how many fucking threads this game has had?

I really went full immersion on that shit, let most of my students die fighting Edelgard in the story and focused on the church units. New Game+ made it possible gameplay-wise. It was heartbreaking as shit, had my Byleth be suicidal in the timeskip bandit fight, took out 6 attackers on enemy phase in a haze of vantage-activated murderboner. I'd never even utilized vantage before then, it was fucking kino.

I'm not arguing with meta knowledge in the moment, the only correct choice is to side with the church. As an outside observer though, you bet I'm going to say you should have all the facts before making a call.

Everyone knew they were dragons once their birthdays all starting falling on the holidays. Why would them being the Saints/dragons at that point make them less preferable than someone who's explicitly armed against you? The choice is just an emotional snap decision, don't overthink it

Is it even possible to immerse yourself in a game where you can magically see the world in tiles and spy on what enemies are holding at any given point while also being able to turn back time? It just feels pointless.

But user, (you) are the pope in the end...

Because if someone drags an army down into a tomb ready to kill a bunch of people I'm suspicious of, I'm going to think "You know these guys might have a point".

Rhea steps down in every single ending in which she is not murdered

Not only that, but its over a month old, most big games see no discussion after a week or so.

Yeah, Sothis romance.

bro we used to go through 500 posts in an hour with 200 unique IPs. i love it but shits dying out and it's sad to see

When they try to kill you too, I'm going to think that their point doesn't matter. Again, it's just you deciding not to kill your student on the spot

>someone tries to kill you
>"You know these guys might have a point".

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Yes and no, because even if you yourself know it's a game, you can still be invested in the world and characters. For me, I've always rolled the movement and enemy strengths into the manifestation of the main unit's tactical prowess, where they're so good at it they can ascertain even insignificant things. The gamey tiles are just their DaVinci Code autism they see in their own minds.

quiet Edelgard

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What is it about Edelgard? Does liking her make a person's IQ drop 50 points? Why does it feel like all arguments in her favor are so fucking retarded?

I got told to get out of the way and let them attack the Pope.

Edelgard is super based here and Dimitri is a righteous faggot

>You know these guys might have a point
Based and suicidepilled

>kill a bunch of guys in self defense
>student comes down and explains the situation
>feel bad but no one knew what was going on, at the time we were enemies
makes perfect sense to me

>Why are you being such a shit antag?
>Stop being robust and let me harm baton you!

>Edelgard: Must you continue to reconquer? Continue to kill in retaliation?
Based and Hobbes-pilled desu.

That could almost make sense, if it weren't for the fact every single thing the Flame Emperor was nothing but red flags.

Like seriously, she ordered the bandits to kill Dimitri/Claude in that prologue. She gave the Death Knight over to the Slitherers and in general allies herself with them. Totally fine with Death Knight kidnapping multiple innocent women and letting them be killed for experiments. She's involved in manipulating Lonato into declaring war on the church. The Slitherers do a fuckton of human experimentation that she doesn't lift a goddamn finger to stop and takes advantage of it + they kill your dad and she still works with them.

When will you smartphone faggots realize that, because of the shitty design of your mobile tracking devices, your image is going to be bit-crushed and shitty looking when you post them?

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And then her Assassin subordinate cackles that he's going to enjoy murdering you and your friends and you're locked into a fight. This game isn't deep, and it doesn't care what you think about morality or ideology in terms of your choices. You are locked into your route based on which characters you thought were likable 30 minutes in and the only decision you can make later is an emotional one with almost no actual information that makes the side you didn't choose turn into a cartoon villain

>He didn't study in the library to get as much history of Fodlan as possible

Oh but user, she seethes really hard at the titty grunt they made kill your dad, so she's a good person! In fact, she's the real victim in your dad's death.

now stop crying and get over it, faggot.

Lysithea says she doesn't care about Dimitri and that all she cares about is getting revenge on the empire, something she conveniently forgets about in BE

To start, I want to make a point about what Edelgard's route is really about. It is, more than any other route, about the relationship between the main lord and Byleth as characters. Obviously, there are huge thematic parallels running between Edelgard and Byleth that make them come into conflict on all other routes. Both Edelgard and Byleth were implanted with the Crest of Flames by an ancient organization. These organizations did this out of the desire to either literally or metaphorically recreate a figure from the ancient past-Nemesis in Edelgard's case and Sothis in Byleth's. Neither of these organizations really cared about or considered Byleth or Edelgard as individual people, they were just vessels to bring back the past. The consequences for both characters were immense.

Byleth literally does not have a heartbeat, and has a reduced ability to feel emotion. They grew up with Jeralt and no other friends or companions, and Jeralt, while a lovely man, is not the type to foster emotional sensitivity and growth. They work as a mercenary referred to as a "demon" who would remorselessly cut down his/her enemies. Jeralt gives orders and Byleth follows, and he/she is very much alone in the world.

Edelgard's crest implementation did not magically remove her emotions-but the incredible trauma of losing her siblings, losing her lifespan, living in chronic pain, and her PTSD may as well have. Her only meaningful relationship is Hubert, who follows her mainly due to her status as Imperial Princess, and like Byleth, no one looks at her as a person- just a weapon or a head of state. Edelgard, out of the desire to insure that no one ever has to suffer like her siblings and her did, subsumes her actual personality into the persona of the Flame Emperor, and plans to change the world by any means necessary.

It doesn't fill you in on stuff because it's irrelevant in the long run, you steamroll the mole people without really noticing. Kinda funny when you think about it.

based and rantpilled

When Byleth sides with her in the tomb, for the first time, Byleth is making a decision that is Byleth's own, and not what Rhea or Jeralt or Seteth tell him to do. Isn't it interesting that a prominent heartbeat sound is heard when Byleth makes the choice to defend Edelgard or side with Rhea? Rhea is (understandably) angry, and it is the fact that he is a unique person, not a blank vessel for Sothis, that makes him a "failure". Meanwhile, Edelgard realizes that someone believes in and values her as a person. Byleth's moment of individual belief allows Edelgard to just be herself-"Just Edelgard"- and over the 5 year time skip she tries to live up to Byleth's example by keeping TWSITD on a leash, and fight her war as honorably as possible, even though her reduced lifespan has made her desperate. Post time-skip in Edelgard's route when she is around Byleth, you see glimpses of the actual person hiding behind the mask of the Flame Emperor- a dorky, sweet, lonely girl who does awful impressions of Hubert and draws pictures of her crush. The person the lyrics of Edge of Dawn are sung by and about. However, even when putting down childhood friend Dimitri, you see a person afraid of and unwilling to express their emotions- "The Edelgard who cries died years ago."

What are you on about? The lore doesn't tell you that Dimitri will become a murderous monster, or that Edelgard is plotting war against the church, or that Claude is secretly Almyran royalty. Those developments are revealed after you choose a house, and you are locked into that house because you're assumedly attached to those characters. This isn't Fallout New Vegas or something, you don't listen to their political speeches, you stay with them because you're fond of them

>at the time we were enemies
>as well as that time at Remire
>and that time where Flayn was kidnapped
>and that time where they forcibly turned other students into crest beasts
>and that time they incited Lonato's rebellion
>and that time the girl she was harboring killed your dad
>but we cool now

So, the ending. Look at Edelgard's character growth! After poor Rhea demands Byleth's heart back (still not viewing Byleth as a person), she says "if humanity stands strong, and people reach out for each other, there's no need for gods." Does this sound like the person who plotted and schemed and was unable to confide in Byleth in Part 1? Edelgard and Byleth, two individuals defined by how they are "seperated from the ordinary world", then use teamwork and trust in each other to defeat Rhea. Now-look at the body language and role Byleth plays in all other route endings. Byleth is there to provide Dimitri emotional support, pick up Claude, and cradle Rhea. Byleth is valuable to these characters, but ultimately he/she is the "Enlightened One" who supports their goals and makes them possible. Here, it is Edelgard who physically supports Byleth. The relationship between them is one of mutual support, where Edelgard allowed Byleth to express his/her individuality for the first time, and Byleth's trust allows Edelgard to be vulnerable and express her best qualities.

And that relationship of mutual trust and love between two people with a "heart of ice" is rewarded- Byleth's humanity is restored as his/her heart begins to beat for the first time (the only route where this happens), while the Edelgard who supposedly "died years ago" finally returns, and her own heart and emotions are restored as she openly cries. And in their paired ending, Byleth's title isn't the Enlightened One- it's Wings of Hegemon, neatly paralleling how the Blue Lions final boss is called Hegemon Edelgard, and showing how Byleth lifted Edelgard out of the darkness.

TL:DR All your other ships are garbage, Edelgard X Byleth forever

I don't give a shit how dorky she is. She's a deluded moron that doesn't deserve anyone's support.

>dimitri standing alone in the cathedral all senile
>go up to him
>tells me to fuck off
>stand in front of him for a solid five minutes
somebody stop me

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This is stale pasta

absolute fucking cringe. The devs turned the waifufaggotry up to eleven for Edelgard to sucker poor retards like you into shilling for her.

Huh. I never viewed it like that. The dichotomy between Edelgard and Byleth being recreations of Nemesis and Sothis escaped me until now and I totally forgot about the heartbeat thing. Well put, user.

You forget she hired bandits to kill Claude and Dimitri and that Byleth almost died saving her from one of said bandits.

>it is the fact that he is a unique person that makes him a failure
Opinion, not fact. A choice to support Rhea or not travel with Edelgard has the same heartbeat, is still a unique decision, and even in the most shabbos goy slovenly playthrough of church route, the only thing that happens is Rhea acknowledges you as a person and hands control to you.

Your whole statement just fell apart.

I shouldn't dignify pasta from reddit, but did the original writer seriously not know the word 'hegemon'? Is using a word in proper context parallelism now?

Edelgard betrays your trust every time she opens her mouth in the Academy Phase, and you just go crawling back to her after she threatens the life of you, your boss and your students. Good whiteknighting user.

>Academy's most skilled individuals
>only this guy shows up
>he gets everyone killed by alerting every enemy
Catherine left a good impression by oneshotting everything, even her back up isn't bad in Maddening and somehow are more useful in it than hard. But there's no saving this guy

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This is the narrative equivalent of "this game gets good 50 hours in"

I can't wait for Yea Forums contrarianism to set in and for us to see posts about how Edelgard did nothing wrong in a few months probably alongside a poll declaring her best girl or something. I know it's going to happen and I know that shitshow is going to be entertaining to watch.

Is this actual dialogue, what the fuck.

>"if humanity stands strong, and people reach out for each other, there's no need for gods."
terrible line by the way, considering the only reason Edelgard got anywhere was because of divine intervention

>no saving this guy
You're telling me, took me ages to get him not to suicide on that beast at the end and there's not even a reward for him surviving the map

>have at least 15 supports to watch in a row after timeskip
what do you guys do while watching to not be complete bored

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It already happened, mate. Several times. Never doubt waifufags and chaosfags. The Chaosfags are cool at least.

You have no idea how autistic FE fans are. If anything, people will get harsher from here. It's already happening, Edelgard supporters used to be the majority here on release, but the more time people put into the other routes, the more opinions are shifting. These threads are killing fields for Edel supporters now.

Playing BE after GD fucking sucks, you're stuck with two factions that absolutely shit the bed in your last playthrough and you just go with it

yeah but she cute

>dimitribros got btfo by reddit user
Bros... I thought we were the good guys, why are we losing...?

>Imfuckingplying
Two days ago we had a thread shitting on BLfags for being autistic spergs who wanted a simple story, they got shoed back to Fates. Deerfags basically stopped existing weeks ago and these days the only people who stir shit are the ones who want it "on record" that Edelgard did everything wrong. Eventually, shitting on them will become more contrary than shitting on the popular character from the big Nintendo game and they'll be eaten in their own threads. It's the way of things here.

Special ed route.

Maybe the single worst unit in the game, Gilbert is abysmal. I get why they made him, losing Dedue can suck hard but he is so much worse that tbey may as well give you nothing.

We all know this will only be settled by whichever lord gets into Smash next, and literally everyone will be seething when it's Byleth

>post basically says "side with Edelgard because she cute and wuvs you"

>you're wrong because the only people around now are the people who hate Edelgard
Gee, wonder how they became the overwhelming majority? Probably because people played other routes, what a fucking shock.

>Calls BL players BLfags
>Calls GD players Deerfags
>defends Edelgard and never mocks BE
Oh, ok. Seethe harder.

It'll be Byleth with Edelgard as a support and Lions and Deers will seethe into obscurity.

user's budding talent is clearly not in understanding context.

Reminder that the only true ranking of the lords is based on their critical animations
>Dimitri turns into a helicopter or fucking craters the ground with his spear
>Claude 360 noscopes bastards on the back of a dragon
>Edelgard throws her shield up and just hits the enemy normally
Fuck the story, why didn't they give her cool GBA tier shit like the other two?

Now that's what I call revisionism at its finest.

>Byleth would not only be a powerful FE sword character but instantly gets Simon tier range on demand
>Enlightened One alt
I had no idea I was so excited for this.

ITT

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That is very cute, but you are still wrong and gay

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Isn't Dimitri the most popular lord now?

Based.

The only poll had two times as many women vote in it than men, its results are to be disregarded.

Ever since the timeskip designs were shown people started gravitating towards him. Edelgard got marginally worse (no stockings), Claude looked the same, but Dimitri went from a nobody with a shitty haircut into FE Big Boss

Yes, and Edelgard is the most disliked.
Edeltards just keep losing and seething

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Seconded, when timeskip was revealed I couldn't go anywhere on Yea Forums without seeing that blonde bimbo with an eyepatch for days

Nope, Edelgard is still ahead of him in the official stats. Dimitri is ahead with women and on Yea Forums after school is finished.

So the order of the girls, who girls don't vote for, is to be disregarded too?

>The only poll
I mean, you have the official one, the biggest japanese FE blog one, the biggest korean FE blog one.
So many and edelgard never gets first place for female characters.

>after school is finished
>school is finishing constantly around the world at every hour

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Making a male and female alt would probably mean no dragon pope costume, that and the EO costume us awkward and complex as a design.

>edeltards in this thread

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>Having to pick between the lesser of two evils means championing the lesser evil as right.
Boarfags really are retarded.

>M Byleth is Creator Sword
>F Byleth is Gremory with Thyrsus
You have only made things worse for Smash fans.

It is bullshit that Claude can live on all 3 routes
He has to die in at LEAST one

You can choose to kill him on BE technically.

yeah that's why i'm saying he should be killed in BE
It's only fair

>The guy whose first impression is admitting he ran away at the first sign of trouble, leaving the rest to die
>Is unhappy he never dies when left to his own devices
Claude having any kind of death where he's careless or making a last stand would've been stupid. The entire point of his existence is his self preservation.

he is just a chill dude compared to the other 2 nutjob lords, I don't see why not

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[muffled bass drop and clock ticks in the distance]

>Look at all the lives you're taking
>If you care so much about lives, then why are you taking more lives and extending the duration of the war so more people will die?
I gotta agree with Edelgard. If Dmitri really cares about lives and peace, then he'd surrender, but he doesn't.

>I can take lives if I have a good enough reason
>You can't fight back and lose lives, that makes you a hypocrite
This whole conversation is retarded, why are two generals in a war asking each other why they're fighting? It's intractable at that point

Yeah, you've got a point there. I bet if Dimitri won against Edelgard, he'd never stop until everyone who opposed him was crushed underfoot, plunging Fodlan into a fragile dictatorship.

Oh wait.

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Her line is supposed to be some variant of "you don't know when to quit" and call him out on fighting a losing battle for vengeance's sake. But the line as written and voiced is a pathetic and sassy "no u" that makes no sense given her lines in scenes before and after

He never shows up on church route with the implication being he died at the Battle at Gronder.

>edelgard never planned to invade the kingdom
Is that why she tried to kill him since start?
Is that why she works with Thotnelia in every single route to frame him for the murder he did not commit and have him exiled from his own homeland?
Edeltard, please. GayFAQS is that way for you to pretend that everyone not-Edelgard was in the wrong.

Why does the ID count never go up whenever someone makes a post with "edeltard" in it?

>Dmitri diddles kids in his end
>Edelgard gets a guardian angel
lmao Boarkeks reach a new low.

Except he can't surrender. Remember what Edelgard gave as an order at the very start?
>Leave no Kingdom soldiers alive. Least of all, king Dimitri.
He could surrender all he wanted, but he and his army would still get their head axe'd. Edelgard never wanted to spare him or his army. This was said at very start, by herself.
Not surprising that retards who defend her shit route, didn't pay a single attention to anything.

>Even Claude decides to die standing up in CF
Will churchbros ever stop winning?

I'm a big Dimitrifag, but even I have to admit he was being silly here

Yeah, silly Dimitri, imagine defending your homeland, what a cuck

>imagine trying to discuss the game in the thread that is made for Edeltard shitposting
Anons, I...

>Edeltard only sees shiny gold person because me likey sparkles
>fails to see that she single handedly recruited Edward Scissorhands and gave him human appendages
Leave defending her to the pros, brainlet

He goes missing at Grondor, people say he died other say he might just have disappeared.
Knowing Claude he just fucked off to Almyra.

>Cold
>Church vassal state
>Constantly has rebellions
>King died to a riot
>Highest concentration of crest dogma
Not really a place worth defending.

He doesn't show up at all in the Alliance chapters, he's fucking dead.

Faerghus is leagues better than Leicester and the Empire though

Sure bud. That's why she axed everyone in the Alliance after she captured the bridge and later the capital, right?
Edelgard only took key objectives. If Dmitri surrendered the objective she was after he'd still be alive like House Gloucester and House Ordelia.

Why would he show up if he's in Almyra

People say he should have given up, but doing a final stand with your army is far better than what Edelgard does in other routes when faced with the same problem
>CITY LOCKDOWN EVERYONE IS NOW A HUMAN SHIELD

>he doesn't like it cold
Trade with me user, it's been 95+ degrees F where I live for half a year

>Why would someone show up to defend the land he's supposed to rule

I don't know, why does Ignatz wear glasses if he's deaf?

Because shit's fucked in Fodlan and ruling Almyra is still his birthright and seems like a much better alternative at this point

The Empire has
>Opera houses
>Wealth
>Magical and astrological research
>Military might
>Scientific progress

Claude doesn't care enough to seriously defend the alliance unless Byleth is there. Fodlan is just kind of a side-gig to him, why throw his life away for it?

Yeah, but it's completely overrun by slithers and human experimentation happens a lot.

Wow, cool, opulence and unrestrained technological advancement. All under the finger of a single batshit girl.

Are you an idiot? (Why am I asking the obvious question here?)
Alliance isn't the fucking Kingdom. Claude some sort of king or the emperor. Him bailing out is an option. Someone who is the fucking king doesn't have this privilege, you moron.
And again, Edelgard never considered sparing him as an option. She made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that Dimitri HAS to die at any cost. That there is no "what if" when it comes to him. He and his allies HAVE TO DIE for her dream to come true.

>shithole infested by asshole nobles and molemen
>Kingdom has genuinely good noblemen like Rodrigue, Lambert and Lonato

Unless you're commoner, than you live in the gutter and steal your food from trashcans like Dorothea

LONATO WAS A TRUE KNIGHT

>Hey, why did conquerors kill kings and emperors without a question while they would spare mere lords of certain territories?
t. Edeltard IQ

His authority comes from the church, if Edelgard defeats the Church, then Dmitri has no authority as king. He doesn't have to die, he just has to get out of the way. Edelgard knows he's an diot (like you!), so she just orders his death. But if they had surrendered the city before she showed up, there would be no need to execute him.

>can spare Claude as well
t. Boarnig IQ

>Claude
>the native ruler of Fodlan
>Claude
>the king of Fodlan
>Claude
>relevant to Fodlan
Please, stop posting.

Only Edeltards talk this emotionally and petty

Yes. That's why she ordered his and Claude's death before the game even started? Because Edelgard always wanted peace. Go back to trannyFAQS and pretend that Rhea is pure evil and that church is to blame for what happened to your waifu.

>dude just surrender your capital and let me destroy the church your country was founded by
>your soldiers and countrymen will just submit for eternity despite them rebelling against my ancestors for lesser reasons 300 years ago
>anyone who resists my conquest is an idiot
He's going to die if she's going to win, this isn't subtle

Why did they have to shit on heroes so badly in this game?
There's absolutely no reason to ever go for them outside of aesthetics.

>crown king of Fodlan is obviously the same thing as being lord of alliance that isn't even native to Fodlan nor he plans to stay in Fodlan
10/10 sasuga logic

>Explain to me why it is more noble to kill 10,000 men in battle than a dozen at dinner ~ Tywin Lannister
If she kills off those 2 early then the war wouldn't even last a week, it's literally the least violent option.

>~ Tywin Lannister
wew lad you stop that right now

At least she had the excuse of the most explicitly overly specific series of curses and magical rules she was forced to follow for stupid ass reasons that justifies her stupid decisions a bit.
Edelgard doesn't even have that to fall bakc on.

of Fodlan? I though he was just crown prince of Faergus, before he got exiled. Does Rhea crown him king of Fodlan? Doesn't that mean she literally put a death sentence on his head? How is Rhea not pure evil?

Assassinating your political enemies because it makes your goals easier to achieve isn't going to sit well with people who don't agree with your goals. It's not the trolley problem when you're controlling the trolley.
>quoting GoT
Nevermind, this is bait

>war is like bad maan
When did Yea Forums get invaded by moralfags?

>going off-topic
Why am I not surprised? We are talking about your retarded statements in which Edelgard ever planned to spare Dimitri, which false, since very start. Before the game started, she tried to kill him. In every single route she never tried to form an alliance with him. Instead, she teams up with Cornelia and has him accused for something he never did in order to get rid of him, again! When she goes to attack him, she makes it clear to her army that they shouldn't spare ANYONE, least of all him.
Now, fuck off. I'm done with burning my perfectly working brain cells on someone sounds even more retarded than Edelgard herself in her own route.

You forget the part in the books where Eddard Stark's legacy is so great the Northerners were willing to fight to the death in the middle of winter just to save his daughter, whereas Tywin's legacy fell to shit the second he died

The least violent option is not starting a war

Azura is retarded because the plot is retarded
The plot of 3H is very good by FE standards, but Edelgard is still retarded

Conflict is objectively bad even from a pragmatic viewpoint. All the resources that you spent protecting/repairing yourself could've been used instead to make yourself wealthier instead. Even animals have the sense to leave conflict as a last resort.

Now I know you are just baiting at this point.

Conflict fathers innovation and innovation makes people even wealthier once conflict has subsided.

Typical boarkek jumping to Rhea's defense. lmao

At least Azura was hot. Edelgard looks weird with that giga forehead going on. Edelgard is pretty much uglier Jeanne.

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>At least Azura was hot
Eh, if you're into super skinny chestlets. But I think a good girl needs good titties.

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Jeanne is cool female Vergil.
Edelgard is just cheap Arvis who is wannabe Daenerys, minus every single charm Danny had before the final season fucked her character up.

It depends on woman's build. Personally, I prefer big tits on women that are tall to look good. It looks weird on midgets in my opinion. I liked Azura's long blue hair and yellow eyes, design-wise. Too bad her character sucked.

Seriously ... What's up with foreheads in this game? Why do girls in this game have gigantic foreheads?

>there are people who think these are downgraded designs

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Mercedes' hair is shit. It doesn't need to long, just get rid of those retarded bangs and make her bob fluffy instead. Mercy not having fluffy hair anymore is the worst part about her design.

Their hair is worse but that's all.

Marianne's bangs look retarded compared to her normal bangs pre-time skip.
As for Mercedes, her hair is missing the floof it had. If they made her short hair to be fluffy, then it would be top-tier.

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They should give Mercedes bedroom hair so it's fluffy like her long hair. Marianne has weird bangs on another hand. It's as if she tried to cut them herself, but she messed up by cutting them too short and uneven. Basically pic-related.

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kys you retarded footstool

Marianne is perfect both pre-and post time skip.

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Surrendering when the public is still fully on-board with fighting is how you get assassinated and replaced by your second-in-command.

A commander's power isn't ever fully absolute. They still have to act within the acceptable spectrum of choices for their army depending on their mood and morale if they don't want to be lynched.

Will they put hairstyles on the dlc? That only lords have new hairstyles seems unfair to me.

Marianne is objectively worse, no sidehair and no eyebags.

The people of the kingdom would spit on the people of the empire. They just killed the king they love so much and the soldiers who gave everything for them that among them were relatives of many soldiers. But since Rhea magically goes totally crazy, this doesn't happen. Very convenient for Edelgard.