Smash Wii U actually felt like it had passion put into it, so much time and effort into the features and single player...

>removed any kind of story mode
>got replaced with a shitty mario party ripoff that literally no-one looked at for 5 seconds
>removed ice-climbers
>turned Target Break into angry birds
Kill yourself.

>3 FE Newcomers

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The 3ds version had better extra modes than the garbage the wii u one had. Ultimate is the better game anyways and 4 feels so damn slow. The only bad thing about ultimate is little mac

I feel the exact opposite. I feel like Sakurai did what he actually wanted to with Brawl, while Sm4sh was the forced encore and Ultimate is his attempt to make everyone happy before he walks away from the series for the last time.

If I felt like playing Smash today, give me 1 (ONE) fucking reason to pick Wii U over any other entry.
Just ONE.

I mean, that might be bland, but it's hardly safe.

Custom Moves

Bruh, Smash Ultimate is literally better than Sm4sh by every conceivable metric. Sm4sh is potentially the worst one made (yes worse than Brawl when you look at it as a whole package and not just "muh tripping").

New mechanics that don’t punish defensively play like Ultimate. You fucks picked quantity over quality with muh Ridley and muh Banjo

Free online with decent connection?

all those new mechanics are in ultimate

Wii U had the least effort put into single player of any games. It also has completely soulless animations compared to Ultimate.
You don't appreciate how much work went into Ultimate until you boot up Wii U again for shits and giggles and see how ass it looks and how clunky it played by comparison. Cherrypicked Pikachu being mroe yellow in Wii U doesn't mean it looked better, the game's textures are shit and for some reason it looks blurrier overall despite being 1080p as well.

Get a friend and try and play with them online, then play ultimate.

really can't
There's no reason to go back to Smash 4 anymore since Ultimate is the all around better version
People at least go back to melee to relive the good ol' days and because it's fast paced and others go back to brawl just to play some decent mods

>>Hardly safe
>one of them is a clone
>the other was DLC to advertise their new game as is tradition for FE in smash
>Brought back fucking Roy for fan demand

Only Robin was anything that might have not been safe since he was already in the base game and plays differently

>Ruins Palutena

Ultimate's netcode is hot garbage.

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Actually, this is the Smash with the most passion, and with the best effort into features and single player.

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kill yourself

this and trash ultimates single player are fucking mobile game tier shit. every fight is the same just they just change 1 or 2 variables. it's nothing like the effort that went into Subspace emissary in brawl.

Actually, top players that aren't Leffen have bitched about everything being to safe and the game being to spammy. So user may have a point.

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>You fucks picked quantity over quality
But Ultimate has more quantity AND more quality than tr4sh.
It's possible to have both.

Just because you put effort into something doesnt mean it turns out good, and SSE was not worth the two delays.

yes it was. I bet you don't even like kirby games.

Ultimate is a prime example of failed democracy

It's not a democracy at all, otherwise we'd have gotten another ballot.

Smash 4 was gimped by the 3DS version

>“me want me me want”

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Brawl, 4 and Ultimate feel like installments in the same subseries. Like analogous to Street Fighter Alpha 1, 2 and 3

Hopefully the one after Ult is a genuinely fresh game

>b-but the cuts! I can’t be departed with my beloved Dark Pit, Corrin and Piranha Plant!

>Sakurai gives Rosalina
>DAISYDAISYWHERESWALUIGI
>gives Pac-Man
>WHERESASHLEYASHLEYASHLEYRAYMAN RAYMAN
>gives Cloud
>SORASORASORA
>Duck Hunt
>BANJOBANJOBANJO
>Bayonetta
>IWANTEDSHANTAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>the original 8 are the only veterans to return as a whole new roster of newcomers appears

Imagine the reaction.

I reiterate:

Back when Brawl was new, everyone called it shitty and soulless and Melee was the only worthwhile game. Then when tr4sh came out everyone hated it and thought Brawl was the better, more soulful entry. Now that Ultimate is out we get posts like this.

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But that's exactly the same as Smash 4

Oh I was thinking like 60% of the roster stays and they scorch earth the ridiculous peripheral feature bloat like stadium mini games, “”””story”””” mode, stage builder, all star mode, the huge ensemble of low quality stage (you’d go way further with 45 good stages than 120 incredibly shitty ones)

Fat refurbished cast, good online and UI, good chunk of cosmetic customization, that’d be nice

What the hell are you on about? Smash 4's issue was it was too defensive, there is no way in hell you'd get away with hitting a shield with anything but a Sheik Fair in 4.

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>People wanting their favorite characters in a so-called celebration of video games is a bad thing
Fans myself included shouldn't have to stuff a suggestion box and be obnoxious just to get a few villains and non-realistic humanoids in the game.

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>series is advertised "play as your favorite video game characters!"
>sequel actually adds what people want instead of "let's add whatever happened to be new"
>WTF WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS

Mods and Orbital Gate Assault.

>so much time and effort into the features and single player
Do you sustain yourself on pure lead? This is literally the worst opinion I've ever heard.

>that fucking feel when outside of Nintendo peddling the handful of mega brands like Mario and Zelda, all their new protagonists are almost entirely late-teen anime twinks

Compare this to like GameCube and earlier when they had a bunch of everything. From Famicok Detective Club to Panel de Pon to F-ZERO to Perfect Dark. So stupid

It'd probably be the original 12, with the non-zero chance Jiggs gets cut.

You have it entirely backwards OP

>Orbital Gate Assault.
That stage actually exists? I thought it was just some fever dream. When we had Smash Wii U we literally never touched played on it, ever.

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Does this play like Mario Party?

Genuinely a favourite stage of mine when playing casually.

Oh fuck I misread and assumed it was the opposite
My bad

Probably the one thing out there that isnt fun with friends

Funnily enough, Ultimate ended up being at least as defensive because everyone can just throw up walls of aerials.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it isn't going to age well.

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>Ayumi
>Lip
>Samurai Goroh
>Joanna
This isn't even the surface of what was suggested then.
>Characters like King Hippo, Dixie, Lip, Stafy and Isaac are reduced to still images or fucking cameos you can turn off, defeating their purpose
The fact that damn near every character suggested now is a 3rd party is damning. It's almost like Smash is scared to acknowledge anything that isn't new or recent. In fact, that is literally what was done the last game. OP's a faggot, Smash Four was the lowest point for Smash period because of that relevancy shit and it still crept up with this game. Until Banjo, my hype ended with K. Rool.

I still don't get why people ridicule other people's choices for a celebration of gaming like Smash
I don't understand what makes people so upset over reimu or shantae other then their fans and honestly the real fandom that would even be a problem is the smash community for being so vile towards one another

i actually like smash 3ds more than smash wii u

Smash 3DS is a more impressive game in the context of being on a 3DS.

Nintendo had like an 8 year streak of not really creating meaningful or well received characters since they were going really hard on the “casual games” train.

There was bits and pieces with Xenoblade and FE Awakening, but Splatoon began the streak of them making pretty good designs again, or at least actual characters and not avatars or virtual pets

I think the biggest problem is that the reduced landing lag on aerials across the cast gave sword characters too much of a buff, especially with how much fucking range a lot of them have
So when playing against them it just turns into trying to get past their wall of disjoints and having to reset if you get hit even just one time

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>Smash Wii U actually felt like it had passion put into it
LOL no it was shit

Melees got some sizable flaws but they got a LOT right in regards to core features like DI, physics, offstage risk and match pacing

Huge parts of this series since then has just moved laterally or backwards

I agree. The only thing I liked in Subspace were the cutscenes and boss battles. World of Light had better boss fights but the lack of more cutscenes kinda hurts the mode.

This is what Smash discussion became during Brawl. Once you bring in outsiders, everyone will take an interest and with Brawl following Melee's footsteps, it changed the hype culture for video games period for the worse. Smash Four brought in the XFAGS BTFO fuckery and that was the end of it for me. There's more anticipation for a fanbase not getting their character than it is for a character in general. On the other hand, I understand not wanting to accept a consolation prize with the series' overall questionable and non-standard picks throughout, examples being Wario's absence in the first game, Melee's padding, Brawl introducing 3rd parties and assist trophies, Four pushing for advert characters and Ultimate bringing everyone back and showing how disproportionate the picks were (Three Links with the same groundwork with a few tweaks, Marth having three variants, Fire Emblem having so many characters while obvious picks like K. Rool and Ridley only now being added, etc.).

Overall, Ultimate was what I wanted and I'm glad I got just that but I understand the frustration some people may have with the roster.

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Are you seriously implying Smash 4 had better netcode?

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It did. People I used to play with without any issue and can still play with in 4 without any issue are laggy as fuck in Ultimate. So you don't know what netcode is or you're trying to make extra shit up to hate the game.

Also you literally could only play on FD if you didn't have friends. In Ultimate I open a lobby with 6-7 different stages on random and its pretty nice.

Same.
Smash Run is reminiscent of kirby air ride's city trial.

The only people that really deserve to be "btfo" are the FE fans for how entitled and selfish they've been acting. God forbid your series doesn't get an eighth character.

>portfags still exist

>it happened to me so it happens to everyone

That's not netcode, you retard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netcode

They should have just stuck to making Dragon Fighters

It's an online mode and they had to program it so it's netcode.

The netcode is literally the second thing I saw people bitch about after the inputlag.

its not a bad thing
adding content to the wiiu version is the only reason we have the full roster

that's called an interface you fuckwit

People bitch about that for every fighting game, so?

You're trolling. I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded.

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Smash Wii U was shit.
Smash 3DS though was based.

Who the FUCK likes Orbital Gate?

>Smash Wii U actually felt like it had passion put into it
Sakurai himself said he was forced into make it Smash 4, so much in fact, they announced the game before asking Sakurai to work on it.

Smash 4 is dead, forgotten and the worst Smash game, accept it.

I was there during 4's hype train. The reason "X FAGS BTFO" exist was due to people being "sure" with character inclusion to the point that it became obnoxious.

Smash 4 was 100% used as framework. They changed a lot of shit around, but the base of the game is undeniably Smash 4, Sakurai even said so himself.

user they've been using old smash games as framework for the next. The only time it wasn't was 64 -> Melee.

Wasn't that the stage Sakurai said took a year to make?

Wasn't that Brawl? Iwata literally went on stage and said Smash was going to be on the Revolution and only after the presentation was when he asked Sakurai to develop it.

I feel this could have been better if they had a brain when designing it.

In an Iwata asks, they reveal that if Sakurai said no, they would have just ported Melee with online added.

Crazy Orders

Nobody is stopping you from playing defensive in Ultimate

I hope he doesn't do the next season pass. He really needs to move on nearly 10 years on one game series is a waste of his talent. He needs to make a 'AAA' budget Switch title. A new Kid Icarus or something else anything but this shit.

Smash 3DS was better than Wii U in terms of content

Let that sink in

source

4 really suffered from being split.

Smash 4 is basically a stepping stone between Brawl and Ultimate and will be remembered specifically for that.

The things that you liked about it was carried into Ultimate and Smash Run was a 3DS exclusive anyway

casuals still like brawl and its singleplayer campaign.

>Have a friend who honestly believes that Marth being outright replaced by Lucina wouldn't be so bad because Lucina is "better"
>Same faggot thinks that just because the recent FE game was good that means they "deserve another rep"

Want him to fuck off sometimes

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actually this, when i played brawl i was amazed by all the love my favorite franchises got, 4 and Ultimate are just cheap cashgrabs with more than enough guest characters

>Sans posters before the switch port
Honestly shows they earned him, they're dedicated little shits

>The cooler trophies were locked to only be in the 3DS version

Now THAT was horse shit, I want an HD version of the Rangers Trophy from Dillon’s game

>no individual break the targets
>re used assets
>cut mewtwo in favor of flavor of the month lucario
>no adventure mode
>le edgy realistic style

nope

also mario's sound effects are disgusting, and its embarrassing they still use those.

People who use obnoxious to describe things they don't like are usually the ones that drag every good thing into the dirt.

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>smash 4 had passion
you can't be serious

Sm4sh sucked shit and is utterly obsolete BUT I'll give it one thing it got quickplay online matches EXACTLY correct.

>can choose if you want items and hazards or not
>can communicate through the other player through tags
>can taunt twice a stock
>can change characters between games with the same player

All things Ultimate lacks and make Ult online fucking insufferable. The only problem was 4gloryhole being FD only and no Battlefield

My biggest complaint is that the only way to play tourney legal stages that arent FD/BF are to turn on all of them hazard-less which is just as likely to give you good maps as it is Pac-Land or Mario Bros

I don't participate hype threads though, just pointing out an observation. Remember the whole ESRB and Gematsu leaks?

>Smash Wii U actually felt like it had passion put into it,

That game felt unfinished even after they stopped patching it. Ultimate is pissing more passion from its anus than this did.

Sm4sh was the peak of rosterfagging ever since before it was released, not even DLC.

You're joking right
Smash wii u unironically feels like the most soulless of ALL smash games
THIS is the level of contrarianism Yea Forums is at? Defending fucking smash 4? Jesus h christ

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You can do all that shit in lobbies.

Those did turn out to be true, but yeah people do use leaks to attack others not part of it.

faggots who didn't get the character they wanted in Ultimate, now prefer a game with less characters, and worse gameplay. funny isn't it?

>quickplay

Also lobbies can only have one match going at a time.

Then make a lobby for 2 lol.

I think it's safe to say most people prefer the 3ds version simply because it sold nearly twice as much.

That defeats the purpose of lobbies.

At least your friend isn't a bandwagoner pretendo. One of my friends started to literally cry when Banjo was revealed and im 100% sure he has never played a Banjo-Kazooie game, and even then the guy doesn't even have a switch. He also said he wanted Conker in and when I made a joke about Conker being piss drunk in his trailer he just looked at me confused, so I can also gurantee that he hasn't even played or seen the first 10 minutes of Bad Fur Day.

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Not if it's better than quickplay in every way.

Aside from playing against lots of different people to pit yourself against wide varieties of characters, playstyles, and skill levels.

>t.
vocaroo.com/i/s03QZMcnhGI3

Okay now you're just making up stuff.

Not sure why you posted that, im more than okay with Banjo being here and he is fun a fun character to play as, it just baffles me how some people can start fuckibg crying for a character they have never played the game of and then ask for more characters from games they haven't played because they are popular.

Here's your smash 6 roster bro

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Who hurt you user

Ultimate feels like a more polished version of 4 though. It’s actuall weird how unfinished 4 looks in comparison after playing Ult for a while. Pretty good Deluxe job

Im confused as shit right now so im just going to tell you that you are right about whatever your argument was and be done with it

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I honestly can't go back to smash Wii u solely because I'm spoiled on Shulk's Monado arts being selectable

that'd be melee netplay

What is made up there?

Smash 4 is easily my least favorite Smash. It has the worst single player experience (yes, even more lackluster than 64) and a lot of the character choices felt corporate. The only reason I can find to go back to the game is Smash run. Every smash has some reason to come back to it and Smash 4 just doesn't have much to offer. Playing through 64 Melee and Brawl is still fun since there's tons of stuff to unlock which makes the gameplay experience feel much more engaging. In smash 4 you can unlock everything, but the custom moves and trophies in 2 days.

Smash Ultimate has been better in every way for me.
>The story mode sucked, but it had some redeeming moments
>Classic mode is amazing
>It has all of the characters and most stages
>I can actually have an 8 player match on more than 7-8 stages
>I'll take a ton of spirits over the awful trophy descriptions from 4

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Reminder Sakurai wanted to make smash 4 as fast as ultimate but couldnt due to the 3ds

>Classic mode is amazing
Idk about amazing but it’s better than Smash 4’s for sure.

I do like the fact that the bosses are different for each character. If Geno ever gets in (lol) I thought it’d be cool if his boss was 3 giant Pirahna Plants, with Mario, Peach, Bowser, and a white Kirby being on your team.

That would be great. I still can't believe we didn't get boss battles as a mode.

>Cloud is still in
I'll take it

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>no Pikachu
whoever made this is deluded

The difference between Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate is Smash 4 actually has new content while Smash Ultimate tries to be a compilation and new game at the same time without excelling at either.

Honestly I feel like as far as content goes, a combined port of Smash 4 would better than how Smash Ultimate turned out. A few good replayable modes is better than whatever the fuck World of Light is and the most one and done classic mode in Smash history. And somehow they made online inifitely worse between 4 and Ultimate.

>Crash
genuinely shocked. cutfags HATE 3rd parties. This roster is Based.

What? Hell no, Ult's classic is great.

smash run and free online alone are way better than anything in ultimate. the only people who disagree are rosterfags whose characters weren't in smash 4 and switch shills who only want people to consume the newest product.

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>crash
>cloud
>rayman
Good enough for me.