Why do opinions on this game seem to range from 'genuinely one of the worst games I've ever played' to 'best game of...

youtube.com/watch?v=hWimIgDfvW8

it IS meant to be a parody

>The best girl doesn't even show up until you're 70% of the way in
user, Morag shows up pretty early on.

>Joseph Anderson
>The cuck who got assblasted that he couldn't kill one of the first hunts on MHW and gave up to play Subnautica

Why is this man relevant?

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>got assblasted that he couldn't kill one of the first hunts
Seriously? I heard him say that MHW is not for him but I never saw him raging. Is it on his archive channel?

XC2 is unironically a homage, and parody of Xenogears. The director used a lot of Gears esque character archetypes, and references to deliver as much soul as possible, but the game really over loads with over the top anime moments that make it hard to take the game seriously. Up until Chapter 6, I was constantly wondering when the game would more exciting, and serious to boot. Vandham's death didn't even have as much of an impact on Rex as I thought it would, among other things.

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Anderson is /ourguy/.

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because the game starts getting really good towards the second half despite the first half of the game not really setting the stakes as high as XB1 therefore being seen as "boring". as soon as Jin/Malos start getting fleshed out the game really starts to find its own footing.
also the soundtrack is really good.
youtube.com/watch?v=xeQxp-nYsO0

The people who says it's bad don't have the patience to play 60 hours before the game gets good.
Because If a game takes 60 hours for it to get good, it's not good

Good game but the threads have at least one dedicated shitposter trying to start wars between the different Xenoblade games fanbases when in reality most fans of the series like them all to some degree

Is there a Ziggy like character in XC2?

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literally who

I'm on chapter 2 of the game and it's mehh.
The english voice actors get really bad sometimes, but I can deal with it Nia's english voice is hot the battle mechanics are alright but nothing too exciting.

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Jesus fuck what a cringelord

Git gud.

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extremely standard reaction

Have you played XC1? How does it compare to it?

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>Eyes are literal 2D textures slapped onto their faces
How did Monolith get away with this?

I've only played about 20 minutes of Xenoblade 1 on the 3ds, so I can't really comment on it

Less cringy than Persona 5 (sex with teacher), Nier: Automata (literally a sex robot) or MGS games (every female character is there for perverted reasons).

It's the Evangelion of JRPGs
You either see it as the masterpiece it is, bandwagon to fit in with the people calling it a masterpiece, hate it because you don't get it, or hate it to look cool.

There's no inbetween.

Have sex

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say it with me
NINTENDO EXCLUSIVE

Based.

I will never understand the "Xenoblade is cringy" arguments. It's the same as every other JRPG, only this one was MARKETED as having comedy and romantic elements. If you are too insecure about that you should have stayed at your "deep" anime games ROFL holy fuck

That is an incredibly dumb comparison, they are nothing alike.

>It's the Evangelion of JRPGs
All I ever saw people discuss about it are idiotic anime scene like the MC being called a baka hentai or even more idiotic wars about which girl is the best waifu.
Wait.
I'm literally describing Evangelion threads. FUCK.

>I will never understand the "Xenoblade is cringy" arguments.

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this but proto-ironically

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Nia's animations look so stupid without her giant poofy sleeves

>OH NO A GAME ABOUT ROMANCE HAS A SCENE WITH SEXUAL TENSION IN IT
Once you're out of high school and start reading books, you'll no longer look for video games as your primary source of philosophical teachings and be able to except some romance and comedy into your life.

>It's the same as every other JRPG

But Odyssey really does kind of suck

XC2 is a game that takes long but gets way better as time goes on. Unlike XC1 which is pretty much the opposite, starting really good but falling a bit later. This is the reason why XC1 is considered as a much better game in this age where attention spans are low. You need to give XC2 time to develop like most old jrpgs. They are both great games tho.

But it's done poorly there

Not him but it looks the exact same as nearly every JRPG and anime that's used that exact stock trope scene for 40 years.

normalfags were a mistake

You're thinking of 64.

kino
youtube.com/watch?v=U6KiY0AL010

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>it looks the exact same as nearly every JRPG and anime that's used that exact stock trope scene for 40 years.

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And those are all done poorly too. The worst part is that Nia's love confession shows that they actually do understand how to develop romantic feelings between two characters I don't know wy it had to do stuff like Myhtra's dumb sleepwalking

Odyssey is 64 made by people who don't know why 64 is good

64 isn't good, though.

>The worst part is that Nia's love confession shows that they actually do understand how to develop romantic feelings between two characters
Are you joking?

It may have been one sided, but it's 100% believable and relatable why Nia feel for Rex.

Ironically this character was drawn by a designer who's most of her work came from 30 years ago.

Perfect timing. Guys, I stared playing this a while ago and I am still quite confused on some things.
I think I understand how the combat works. I am just supposed to do those blade combos and then press the plus on my controller and break the blade combo finisher orbs, right?
If that's correct I fail to see how there is real strategy involved in fighting. If I am just do repeat blade combos and DPS my enemies to death then where is the depth that everyone is speaking of? Am I not far enough in? I am currently in Mor Ardain and met Chad Zeke again and he got the team rocket treatment.
Is there any reason to use Pyra anymore even? Mythra appears to be broken strong.

One of the best upgrades I unlocked is hands down the ability to combo your weapon arts into each other. Atleast fighting feels somewhat enjoyable now, since I am not just sitting waiting to press buttons.

The game has some of the worst UI and menus I've ever used. The framerate shits its ass and actually slows down the game which makes gihts an absolute chore in places. The story is cringe and full of anime bullshit.
Despite all those failings I am for some reason enjoying the game. Not even ironically.
Sub is superiour imo but I do miss Zekes and Malos's dub voices. Those VA's did a great job.

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I know you're exaggerating, but it takes like 10 hours max for the story to settle in. 60 hours is the whole damn game.

That's not too outlandish for Xeno standards.

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the story gets good when you've finished it, half-remembered it, and heavily projected onto its many vague elements

Is it bad that it took me 100 hours to beat?

But XC1 never falls to that a low thar XC2 starts at and XC2 never builds to the height that XC1 starts at.

>What is The Architect's reveal

Everything surrounding Zanza is arguably the most insulting thing Takahashi's ever written. The story does take a nose dive after the first visit to prison island, but completely devolves into asspulls and inconsistency when Zanza is revived.

Because when one person says the thing you dislike/like is good/bad, you dig your heels in and take a mroe extreme version of your own stance.
Because people can't think of ideas as opinions that people acknowledge are subjective

Not really.
It's more just a pastiche of shonen anime ideas but it's not trying to make fun of them

The only thing that confises me is that, if Zanza was in Shulk, who was the giants and what was the significance of him being freed by Shulk?

>it's not trying to make fun of them
bullshit, zeke's character alone is a clear attempt at parody

XB2 doesn't really start at much of a low, or at least it didn't for me. The first chapter is a great start, it's the second chapter where things start getting iffy.
I've replayed it twice and it's only made me like the story more. It's a lot stronger when you actually know where the fuck it's going.

>bullshit, zeke's character alone is a clear attempt at parody
Not really. He's the comic relief character who's secretly smart and way stronger and more important than he looks.
I called that shit the second he showed up, it was obvious.

So how is it poorly done? There are comedic parts, there are romantic parts, there are serious parts. That's what makes Xenoblade 2 great, it's never monotonous or self-important. It's made for people who enjoy life and cherish a good time - so not for most gamers and certainly not for Yea Forums.

The last third of XB1 is extremely badly written which is almost unexcusable when you consider how great the first third of the story was and how late into the story the last third is.
The first third of XB2 being silly and being full in padding can be forgiven only because it's before the story truly takes off and there's not much story to get wrong.

He's meant to be funny by himself as a guy who acts overly dramatic and has delusions of grandeur, that's hardly a parody of shonen as much as it's just a somewhat common character archetype

>anime characters
>anime tropes
>ruined the exploration of xbc and xbx
>slow combat

they removed everything that made xbc and xbx fun and replaced it with anime tropes and horribly predictable anime characters. the switch has no games though and switch fans are desperate for anything they can get, so they defend it at all costs.

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>there are romantic parts
I love Xenoblade 2. Dumped 500 hours into it, but there is not a single well done bit of romance between Rex and Pyra/Mythra. The scene with Nia is the only one that has a character explain what they have affections for another and explain how they've bettered themselves as a person because of it. Rex and Pyra is played off as a destined love at first sight, which, in my view is the worst way to do romance. These things take time and Xenoblade 2 largely doesn't allow for it

Once you figure out everything about the combat, the game starts being more about improving your build and preparation than the fight itself. It's like that for all Xeno games it's just that previous games come to that point sooner due to less depth.

>The game has some of the worst UI and menus I've ever used. The framerate shits its ass and actually slows down the game which makes gihts an absolute chore in places. The story is cringe and full of anime bullshit.
You sound like a cynical asshole. No one really likes you in real life and neither do I.

So just like the first 2 games? They're both anime trope shit

he's a parody of the shonen protagonist stereotype

Yup that's soul

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>You sound like a cynical asshole. No one really likes you in real life and neither do I.
Calm the fuck down, dude. He's just saying that he's enjoying the game even though he thinks it has a lot of issues.

Cope.

Nah, I enjoyed it the whole way through. But I had no idea what was going on after the midway point. I just liked the world and the personalities.

>Zanza was in Shulk, recovering his energy
>Most of his power was sealed in Arglas, on Prison Island
>Breaking the seal allowed Zanza to recover his power, and eventually retake control of the Monado
It's not that hard to comprehend.
I really don't know how. Everything was explained relatively clear. Although, the backstory on Zanza could be fleshed out in better depth. I'm sure the plot will have retcons anyway, so I'm not worried.

>anime characters
>anime tropes
These are all present in Xenoblade 1 and Xenoblade X though.
Outside of Riki and Melia the entire Xenoblade party are the most one-dimensional anime stereotypes Takahashi's ever written. He even said this was intentional since people complained about his characters in previous games.

>XB1 was anim-

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Took me 120. There is a lot to do.

XC1 start > XC1
XC2 > XC1 after the start

Xeno 2 is definitely the better game in every aspect except the opening few hours.

god remember when THIS was the HD texture pack everyone used? thank god someone else made one

>posts Dunban, an anime character

>every aspect
Soundtrack and aesthetic go to the first one, though.

This is XC1. Remember it.

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Dunban is masculine and dresses dapper.
Compare Dunban to THIS.

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Retard

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>still trying to lump your xc2 anime with the first 2 games

lmao you're never going to fool anyone who has played the games user. xc2 is pure anime trash and thats all there is to it. cope harder

>These are all present in Xenoblade 1 and Xenoblade X though.
are you implying that there is only one variation and degree to all things in live, user?

>compare a different stylized anime character to a different stylized anime character
Why?

Aesthetic yes, soundtrack is close but 2's is a lot stronger IMO.

Sure, slightly. Both are phenomenal in those aspect. All aspects, really/

God, I wish Elma was my GF.

I'm comparing it and I find Rex to be better designed. Of course, I am looking at the 3D models and not the sprites from menus and such.

Rex's salvager outfit is the most memorable MC outfit in a long time.

>comparing plot relevant characters and pre-default models to "look guys you can strip your characters/have silly armor"
thats some desperate cope if i ever seen one

Xenoblade 2's soundtrack is superior though.
It brought back all of the main composers of Xenoblade 1 except Shimomura (Shimomura's tracks were the weakest in Xenoblade 1's anyways excluding the main theme). They replaced Shimomura with Mitsuda (Xenogears and Xenosaga 1's composer).

It's literally the same soundtrack but with a higher budget. ACE also display far more impressive guitar playing in 2 than they do in 1>

Not really.
Rex is the actual shonen protagonist archetype, Zeke is an Evil-Eye type Chuuni (though he subverts it by being actually serious and smart and actually having an evil-eye)
But make your case: what about Zeke is reminiscent or exaggerated from shonen protagonists such that it would be a parody or satire of that archetype?

That's such a bad re-design
You may not like the parachute pants but they serve a fucking purpose in communicating what kind of character Rex is

yeah...

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tbqh I don't watch shonen anime

But XB1 just has better pieces.

I still think 1 has the best individual tracks. But don't get me wrong, 2 is definitely the better game.

and an ESL/brainlet as well, i see, expected

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Rex was designed after Takahashi's childhood protags. It was XC1 where he used all the most common tropes in order to make a "mainstream" JRPG.

XB1 is a deconstruction of anime tropes.

Wait are there costume mods for XCX?

>xc1
>"most common tropes"
>also implicating that is not XC2, which implicates he thinks XC2 is not one giant trope ride
based retard

>diver in a practical diving suit that changes form to allow him to do his job in water and fight on land
versus
>crippled dilf who's role in the party is to take dangerous monsters' attentions despite only wearing casual clothes (or optimally naked)

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Xenoblade 1 is unironically the most play-tropes-straight Xeno game, it's just much more serious than Xenoblade 2.
Xenoblade 2 has fun with anime tropes, playing with them with commentary on the side until the very end where it subverts them.

But every Xeno game is extremely trope filled, particularly Xenosaga where everything feels ripped out of the various late 90s and early 00s Eva clones.

>We need revenge
>JK lol revenge is bad
>Melia get over your dads death from 5 minutes ago
People talk about cringe in X2 but nothing tops prison island.

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Why were there gacha mechanics in this game?

>amputee samurai who can do physics and logic defying moves
why are you proving his point?
youtu.be/bSbeIJZgKDw?t=119

>that whole chapter in XC2 which was a Mazinger reference
I know everyone says that chapter is just a waste of time but it kept putting a smile on my face.

You are literally out of your element. Try studying the combat more in depth.

I love how many people miss the point of Shulk telling Dunban not to kill Mumkhar.

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How so?
The only real example I can think of is Riki but it's not that uncommon even nowadays for mascot comedy-relief characters to have depth.

Kino

>still trying to push the anime trash to 1 & x

you're never going to fool a single person user

I sure fooled Takahashi since he explicitly calls Xenoblade 1's story a "shonen manga" story.

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XC2 is takahashis take on "going back to the roots"
the roots in question being Xenosaga.
Xenosaga is pretty cringe tho and was also polarizing at its time (but altho to a much lesser degree because it was not the single big JRPG for manlets to justify possesing a fisher price tablet).
Now the usual suspect are making the stupid claim "but ALL XENO GAMES ARE ANIME REEEEEE". Now beside the obvious fact that people refer to million things when they write "this is anime bullshit": Even if you take it literal, there is a difference between Evangelion and Highschool of dead, despite both being anime.
If XC1, XC2 (and XCX for that matter) would be actual animes, their audience would be largely different imo.
So there is alot going on here from console war faggotry to a game in a "series" that is distinict.

Xenoblade 2 is more like Xenogears, not Xenosaga excluding the Conduit's back story.

Xenoblade X has more in common with Xenosaga.

you have no idea what shounen means, dont you?

I have absolutely no idea. Quests/boss drops/DLC give you cores with powerful and guaranteed rare blades, so you will never get cornered into playing with only shitter commons, but it's still a stupid concept.
High rarity commons can be pretty strong.

user I could ALMOST see Shulks reasoning to tell Dunban to calm down even though one hell of a lot more people than just his dumb sister was killed.
But Melias famile was literally JUST murdered by these people.
Sharla has known the party for all of a few days and everyone she knew was murdered by them.

It was completely moronic for anyone to even listen to Shulks dumb ass let alone agree to continue to follow him afterwards.

>Persona 5 (sex with teacher)
You mean Persona (sex with twin jailers)?

>Xenoblade 2 is more like Xenogears,
no its not

It had nothing to do with revenge being bad. It was Shulk telling Dunban that if you can justify killing Mumkhar, you can justify killing Fiora. It's what Batman has been spewing for years on why he doesn't kill the Joker

It's a demographic of manga aimed mostly at young teenage boys that although isn't technically a genre, garnered its own share of tropes and expectations and similarities that are commonly shared among most popular shonen manga.

Xenoblade 1 was specifically written to be more like shonen manga. Takahashi literally says this. He even said that he toned down a lot of his darker themes and even made Xenoblade 1's main characters really simple and/or positive to reflect this.

>t. didn't play the last three chapters

>generic characters
>meh gameplay
>ugly graphics
>shit writing
but it's a jrpg on switch with big boobie anime girl

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It's not even just the last three chapters. There's a lot of parallels and throwbacks to Xenogears both seriously and both silly in the early chapters too. It's just a lot more subtle compared to the later chapters where they beat you on the head with "Xenoblade 2 is like Xenogears".

Batman is dumb as sin and his refusal to do so has caused the dfeaths of hundreds of people and caused even more super villains.

Batman also is pretty insane.

Because people either played the (superior) previous games or they didn't and the game is a revelation to the latter group.

>and actually having an evil-eye
I don't think NG+ is canon.

I hope by superior previous games you're only referring to Xenosaga 3 and Xenogears.

and what does shounen manga means then in this context, retard?
Do you even know how many manga exist that are fundemantly different in tone theme and obviously quality that go under shounen?

How is it his fault that the government's too incompetent to give the fucker an extrajudicial execution?

The point was that there was no line of logic that could be used on Mumkhar that could not potentially later be turned on them with Fiora. They can't say for certain that Fiora never killed anyone since becoming a Face

By making essentially the best looking Wii game ever made.

if the eye works then pandy is a liar, because she said he couldn't afford another contact

Where do I fall on your binary if I think it's easily the worst Xenoblade game, but still one of the better games this generation?

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The only way I could anyone seriously claiming XB2 to be one of the worst games ever made is if they have some kind of pathological aversion to anything made in Japan

being a prime weeb that only play animu games

xc2 is weeb anime trash and you'll never convince anyone whose played each game otherwise but keep going on about muh manga and anime. you're just proving my point. anime. trash.

xbc: fun game
xbx: fun game
xbc2: anime trash

Cope.

>and what does shounen manga means then in this context, retard
Ask Takahashi, not me. He's the one who actually said it.

Metroid Prime is also in my top 10 favorite games of all time, so I guess you could call me a Prime weeb because I know you're not using the correct definition of weeb so I don't have to either.

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1. It's satisfying to open cores. I love opening loot boxes but I'm not gonna waste money on them and get addicted.
2. Getting a rare blade is fun and exciting.
3. It helped with early marketing of people sharing their rare blades.
4. Rare blades are cooler than regular ones and will make you try out different party combinations to play them.
5. It's a fun way of incorporating more characters and personalities and there is some interesting lore around it.

But most importantly, it's because I needed a Pokemon fix and this gave it to me. I prefer it to Persona and Pokemon actually.

>The cuck who got assblasted that he couldn't kill one of the first hunts on MHW
Let me guess, Anjanath.

metroid is also a japanese game so, qed

Did finishing this game make you feel pic related, Yea Forums?

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I played 1 and still found 2 better because I have taste and 2 is objectively better in every way.

Because Batman is too insane and loves the feeling of beating people up more than he actually wants to help people.
Realistically he would be using his billionaire status to get into politics to allow the lethal injection for insane asylum criminals while also strong arming the criminal elements out of the city by creating jobs for all the poor people instead.

then why bring it up if you dont know what he means by that, again, whats the point?
inhale, exhale, try again. What are you trying to convey

>Metroid Prime
>Japanese
Based retard.

Because the good parts of the game are extremely good, but the bad parts are extremely fucking bad

I'm not trying to argue for Batman's mental health. I was just making the point that the scene with Mumkhar is more derivative of western comics than typical shonen anime

>then why bring it up if you dont know what he means by that, again, whats the point?
I did tell you what it means. see

That scene was just an excuse to see Dromarch in a night cap.

There is hardly anything bad about Xenoblade 2.

>objectively

The game doesn't start until chapter 7, story and combatwise

How the fuck did Xenoblade go from this
youtube.com/watch?v=XWt-4W4Ui_Y
to this?
youtube.com/watch?v=kHEvW3bnMI4

>trying to argue the cringeness level of a game that has an unfunny unironic and literal "i am faster then light, nothing personal kid" scene in it
move on kids

>Japanese

anime

xbc: fun game
xbx: fun game
xbc2: fun game

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Nah, it's good from the very beginning. If I could change something it would be the amount of sidequests but every game has those problems.

i fucking love how you try to meme on the this and this thing but the best you can pull out even by cherry picking is a super generic chuuni looking scene

Is that a Siamese?

>Fucking hate it when anime makes light of the how fast light is and how cold "absolute zero" is
>Jin does both

Chapter 4 is fucking garbage

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retard
youtube.com/watch?v=EoJILhgszHk

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yes

>It was Shulk telling Dunban that if you can justify killing Mumkhar, you can justify killing Fiora.
That doesn't make any sense.
Dunban doesn't want to kill Mumkhar just because he's in a Face Mechon, he wants to kill him because he's a traitor who gleefully revels in hurting the people Dunban loves (just minutes before this making comments about how the Faces he brings to assist him could be the friends or family of any of the party members). He's a dangerous person whose actions are completely unjustifiable and whose motivations are completely selfish and shallow, and shows no remorse.
In comparison, Fiora/Silver Face has done absolutely nothing wrong. All she's done is talk to the party a couple of times, that's it. Her actions are completely incomparable to Mumkhar's, killing him wouldn't make killing her justifiable in any way.

Japanese =/= weeb
Metroid Prime =/= Japanese

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Eric will tell you this isn't anime.

No. Only 1 made me feel that way. X's ending just made me more fucking excited because I had another 70 hours of content to get through. 2's ending disappointed me.

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weeb logic

>Everyone I don't agree with is Eric

>In comparison, Fiora/Silver Face has done absolutely nothing wrong.
They have no way of knowing what she's been doing while they aren't around. If somebody walked up on them and talked about wanting to kill Fiora because she killed her family, if they had just killed Mumkhar they would not have any right to try and talk them out of it

Why do Xenogears, Xenosaga, Xenoblade X and Xenoblade 2 fans seem to love and embrace anime while Xenoblade 1 fans seem terrified of it?

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thats also an interesting point
i thought 1s ending was hushed, but 2 ending was outright garbo

Whining about the genre names is retarded. Shonen is a genre now, and also a target demographic. Funny how things like that work.

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I'M TURNING UP THE HEAT

This is a fan made graphics "update" Monolith didn't do this

Why the fuck does Yea Forums in general get butthurt about anime when the only good games anymore are Japanese?

Can we all agree that the scene where you meet the Architect in 2 is the most kino moment in any Xenoblade game?

>STILL trying to attach x2 to previous games
>n-not anime!

kek the desperation and seething is amazing

>xenogears
if there is an scale of big tiddy onichan sexdoll anime, xc1 and gears are closer to each other then xc2 and saga
also literal nobody did go on xcx being too anime of any sorts. If you insist, post proof.
no ammount cherry picking meme posting can change this

>Bad voice acting
>Bad plot
>Bad pacing
>Bad side quests
>Mediocre story
>Gacha system to unlock the rare blades, and by proxy the only quests with any merit in the game, like Theory and Praxis' questline
>That godawful new "affinity chart" for rare blades
>The casualized combat

There's plenty bad about the game. I say that as someone who likes the game.

>Xenoblade 1 fans seem terrified of it?
Because Xenoblade 1 is entry level.

Because that's not even remotely close to true.

a lot of xc1 fans for the longest time didn't actually play the game, only knew shulk through smash/LPs, and the artstyle gave their "not anime" argument some logos

This here is the most kino thing I've seen in a Nintendo game since the ending of Wind Waker

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It became pic related first.

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Western games have all become politicized trash

I made the mistake of not skipping cutscenes and it infuriated me beyond belief by Chapter 7 or wherever I ended up. That and the boring ass battle system, I ended up not liking this game despite some great art and music.

>xc1 and gears are closer to eachother

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Xenoblade 1 is entry level repellent.

same poster from this post, want to make a correction
*the artstyle (which only "wasnt anime" due to technical limitations)

>reading all that shitposting garbage in Adam Howden's voice

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Meanwhile, actual patrician Xenoblade 1 fans:

youtube.com/watch?v=8C5bcI8qDHA&list=LLMp74MlXrdNpI8YYpx8-bgw

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Meant for

not him but even if your retarded logic would be correct:
How does turn to anime trope heavy that push fanservice for easy money (which the whole gacha indsutry runs on btw.) not the same? Are you suggesting games from japan cant be bad? Anime in itself is good so no anime trope cant be bad?

I went back and did that and now I think it's unironically based.

Imagining Skye Bennet, Caitlin Glass, or Cassandra Lee Morris saying it is also great.

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>cant post proof beside meme pictures
i hate when i always predict spergs correctly

>Shulk, with you around I'm 3x as hard.

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No, but the only good games I find still coming out are Japanese. Any time a western game looks interesting, it ends up poisoned by political garbage. Japan is the only place that sees video games as a vehicle for fun anymore. Western games are all trying to make a statement or masquerade as high art

Why do people seethe at the “gacha” mechanic, when without the microtransactions and being tied to a resource that is braindead easy to farm it’s nothing more than a glorified weapon drop?

Anime isn't inherently good or bad. Some anime and manga can reach the pinnacles of human artistic talent, some are garbage schlock. Not all anime tropes are bad, either, and taking tropes to their logical extreme can end up being great. One Punch Man is an example of just that - a series that pushes tropes as far as they can go, and it's fucking excellent.

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XC1 isn't really close to any Xeno game, it's the only Xeno game that's strictly serious all the way through, even during it's over the top shonen anime fights. It doesn't have much parallels to the other Xeno games except for Xenoblade 2. The few parallels it has are very brief.
Xenosaga has more in common with Xenoblade X than it does Xenoblade 2.
Xenoblade 2 is a mostly lighthearted Xenogears rehash in a different setting.
Xenogears was full of otaku pandering too, it was just a different era.

>introduce dumb mechanic in a game
>defender of it even says its braindead timesink
>"why do you seeth you retarsd!!!!??"
yes, why do people shit on bad game design? Look how good the waifus are looking, thats the important stuff!!
Dilate

The few parallels with other Xeno games are very brief******

>Xenogears was full of otaku pandering too
[citation needed]

Gacha mechanics are awful even with no money involved. I fucking hate gambling unless I'm doing it in Mario Party when I knowingly go into it assuming I'm going to be doing some gambling. Gambling mechanics tied into core game mechanics in non-party games are fucking awful.

It's why people turn off items in Smash.

Play the game, Eric.

Why is it dumb if it’s just a damn weapon drop? Sure sounds like you’re seething with the way you’re talking.

>big titty anime mommy milkers XDD
>uguuuuuuu no im so embarrassed dont watch me dance like this
>B-BAKA

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>otaku pandering
thats not like one way street
Steins Gate is also full of otaku pandering. Games can do pandering and fanservice in different ways. XC2 is clearly the moe/waifu pandering, which gears had very little of
its eva panderring

Cope.

>Fiora, don't give up
>YEAH
>OH NO

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youtube.com/watch?v=DnL54zOewBo

Did you like, not play past the Mechonis Core or something?
The story just starts to reuse a ton of shit from Gears.
High Entia with certain DNA all violently transform into Telethia just like Humans transforming into Wels in Gears
Egil was being an asshole to the inhabitants of the Bionis in order to deny resources (Ether) from Zanza to prevent his resurrection just like Solaris is instigating surface wars to keep global population low and deny the biomass resource that Deus needs to resurrect.
The steeped in Gnosticism relationship between Zanza and Alvis is the same as the one between Deus and the Wave Existence in Gears.

Like, come on.

Meanwhile, what Gears and 2 have in common is the main character sees a hot redhead in a tube at the start.

blessed post

Yikes. Literally everything wrong.

Here's your cute girl antagonists who only exist as a sentai/kamen rider reference and climax as a gaogaigar reference, bro.

>which gears had very little of
This is one of the most absurd posts I've read ITT and I don't know if this is bait or not.

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Am I supposed to be impressed by that?

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nice fanart, go play the game erik

>gets proven wrong
>just resorts to name-calling
lolokay
keep pretending there's a difference between the three

What would a Xeno game without waifu pandering even be like?

Holy kek, saved

t. Xenoblade secondary that never played 1 or X.

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Yeah
IT has that exhausting feeling that really good JRPGs leave you with where you're just empty for a while

like xc1 and xcx
dont even pretend its the same level as xc2

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These characters are barely on the fucking screen.
It's like saying FF7 is full of /m/ pandering because of the designs of the "Weapons"

Single pass at voice acting due to a rushed release date
XB2's actual writing and characters are better even if the execution and pacing are much more dodgy in quality

So basically you're saying modern Otakus like a 15 year old boy protagonist with a very special relationship with two huge-titted hentai girls, while 90s Otakus liked mech anime. Elly is the epitome of good taste compared to the designs of most of the female blades, especially Pyra and Mythra.

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Everyone who has built their personality around not liking anime and reaching that conclusion a-priori, forcing them to impotently insist that everything they like is not anime is Eric because that's why he spergs out in every Xenoblade thread

Dude at least make a fair point for xc2 if you are trying to make an argument. XC2 gets much closer to Xenogears at the end compared to XC1. No one is denying those things you mentioned but dont pretend that XC2 doesnt have plenty of similarities with Xenogears, specially in terms of late game worldbuilding and gnosticism themes.

based and blessed
retarded and coping

ITT: Games that make your ear bleed

That fucking Welsh accent...

thats what the whole thread is about though. anime waifufags trying to attach their shitty anime trash to the rest of the franchise and pretend any of the horrible anime tropes existed at even 1/10 level of 2. its hilarious desperation to defend a shit game.

Xenoblade 1 fans are generally fine
It's just one or two autists who thought that the potato models were Monolith Soft trying to be more like Western games when it was raelly just because they didnt have a character designer

XBX is literally the most sexualized xeno game

Except it's not because in gnosticism the demiurge is an antagonistic force and in XB2 Klaus is primarily a force of good.

>"haha it was just because of the wii guys!"
>character art, even not the first drafts, looks nothing like the Taimanin Asagi stuff that is XC2
you tried

XCX is my favorite Xenoblade game, and my 2nd favorite game of all time, and I know you're dead wrong

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retard

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>in XB2 Klaus is primarily a force of good
He's the source of literally all of the problems in the game.

>That fucking Welsh accent...
Most beautiful sound I've ever heard

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>XC2 is clearly the moe/waifu pandering, which gears had very little of
I will legitimately never understand how people can think this
I feel like it's something only said by people who played Xenogears years and years after launch because it has plenty of its own era-appropriate moe pandering

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>i can dress my characters so its the same level sexualized as the default character outfits and proportions then the other game
are you the same retard from before?

Emeralda and Poppi are almost the same character.

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if you cant get the difference between a game that is a straight eva clone and the other having every trope out of incest harem animes, i cant help you

XBC2 has a more lighthearted tone to it than the previous Xenoblades. Some people like it, some people hate it.

It's an homage not a parody. It's fondly remembering those older shonen anime series rather than making fun of them.

What first drafts?
They made the armors first, then the character models and then they took images of the 3D models and touched them up to put in the art book
They barely had character art aside from some extremely rough drafts or very simplistic drawings of Shulk
>looks nothing like the Taimanin Asagi stuff that is XC2
wow, different artists have different styles, you fucking nailed it on the head user

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Can anyone bitching about anime explain why they don't like anime and how the games would be improved without it?

>incest
>harem
Rex doesn't even have a harem though.
He has at most 1, maybe 2 love interests
>straight eva clone
you say that as an eva clone can't have plenty of moe pandering.
It's an eva CLONE, not eva itself. It's an attempt at copying Eva's approximate themes and plot elements, but that doesn't mean Takahashi didn't put in plenty of other shit that wasn't in Eva

>What first drafts?
do you have dyslexia? a first draft is a first draft
>They made the armors first, then the character models and then they took images of the 3D models and touched them up to put in the art book
They barely had character art aside from some extremely rough drafts or very simplistic drawings of Shulk
nice way to say that non of the character art implies anything of your headcanon
>wow, different artists have different styles, you fucking nailed it on the head user
so you admitting then xc1 was never something that supposed to like xc2, im gratefull that you reached and understanding

Xenoblade 2 has more in common with Nadia (same director as Evangelion ironically enough) than it does any harem. It doesn't even have a harem, if it did have a harem then you'd have to say that other Xeno games have harems too since multiple people do show feelings for the protagonists.

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They mostly don't like the dub or the art-style
The art-style is really hit or miss depending on if you like the more modern aesthetic where the nose is really de-emphasized and the eyes are unapologetically big.
The Dub really could have used a couple more takes though

Protip: Whenever you hear someone complaining about how something is "too anime" what they really mean is that it isn't "cool and mature" enough

play xenoblade chronicles and x, you'll figure it out.

that's hilarious because evangelion is considered one of the most important building blocks in defining moe.

And yet Eva itself has plenty of "BAKA ECCHI" kind of humor and is highly regarded as if it was above all of that.

I played 1 multiple times. I like killing God.

>specificaly say incest harem tropes
>"but haha rex has not a harem!!"
based mongloids
I give you one for free: Rex doesnt have sex, nor is it incestual either.
You got me there!

IS this supposed to be a jab at XC2? because that entire cutscene is kino as fuck

Nintendofags eat any shit just because it's exclusive. Others see the actual game.

Smash bros secondaries think that Xeno used to never be anime.

I get the impression when people say they hate the anime parts, they're saying they hate the goofier parts. Characters deaths being played off as a joke, fanservice moments played off as 'character development', that kind of thing.
IMO the game only starts to have actual stakes when you're like 30+ hours in, and I can see why that's enough to lose people to it.

Usually it means "Pander to me not them." Or muh maturity.

True fact: if you are mad at this game for fanservice character designs, you need to go back to ResetEra.

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>Never got the true ending to chrono cross, even with using a guide
>Dropped Xenosaga pretty quickly
>Go halfway through Baten Kaitos before the voice acting finally got to me.
>Got further in Baten Kaitos origins, but still didn't finish it.
>Spent hours on end exploring the First 3 or fur regions of XCX, but never even got far enough to get to Skell Piloting

What is it with these guys? Why do I never want to finish their games, but I just keep coming back to them anyway?

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I like tiddy rabbit

what this guy said

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see

XCX has fanservice character design
this game has eroge level of distracting bad character design
But nice try memer, 1 upvote!

Recommend me some good incest harems. The only one I can think of is

mangadex.org/title/27929/saotome-shimai-wa-manga-no-tame-nara

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>Ergo
You smell of era retard. Only those idiots would call some like this ergo. No Xenoblade game has even come close to that area.

It's more "anime" in it's presentation and humor than other xeno he's, honestly if I could have this combat and Xs world it'd be the goat JRPG

>cant also read
yep, definitely based memer!

>so you admitting then xc1 was never something that supposed to like xc2, im gratefull that you reached and understanding
What the fuck are you on about?
The reason the Wii Models look """realistic""" is because they didn't have proper character designs to model off of and they ended up making them have unusually distinct features because they barely had anything to go off of for facial design.
Shulk's in-game face barely looks anything like his first draft face because his first-draft face has barely any distinct attributes.
You can look at art released for the 3DS game to see what Monolith Soft has generally wanted Xenoblade to look like but they didn't have the human resources for.
tl;dr: Xenoblade 1 was always meant to be anime but they had no artist to make models with, so they ended up making potato-faces based on overly plain looking drafts

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The people who say the combat is bad or that XC1 had better combat are out of their goddamn fucking minds and need to shut the fuck up.

Literally just this decade's version of those 12 year olds who only played mature games for mature gamers (such as themselves) back in 2012 and referred to themselves as Xbros.

And also snoyboys who post on RetardEra and unironically say "yikes" and "oof" whenever they see any attractive fictional female.

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Wrong
Wrong
And wrong
still a good game tho

>Eroge level of distracting bad character design
The fuck does this mean?

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Top 5 divisive games of all time? No order.

Xenoblade 2
Fire Emblem Awakening
Metal Gear Solid 2
Fallout 3
Dark Souls 2

Resetera trannies and sjws hate anime and they're invading this board no shit it would get mixed reception.

>Can't reard
Base retard

But most of the tropes of a harem don't even apply to Rex
There are some bad-taste comedy scenes that fall flat but 99% of Rex and Pyra's stories are more just straight shonen adventure stuff than harem or ecchi tropes

>people actually complain about nu-XB1's anime artstyle when this existed as official art for old XB1

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Soon with #FE coming out not even the most divisive game on the system.

>No X
Its literally the blacksheep of Xenoblades

No really, user!
There are multiple pages long threads bitching about women not having enough clothes!
You would fit in great!

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Personally even though i'll usually defend it, it's just presented very poorly. it wastes a lot of time with it's (at least at launch) unskippible animations, and every so often you have to go through the trouble to release all your common blades to make room for more common blades. It definitely could've been handled better.
it's not gambling at all though. It's just receiving loot. there's no risk or wagering involved in it so it's not gambling.

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>n-nuh-uh, that's different because it's optional costumes, you can't compare that to cringeblade2's designs because i said so!

No one cares about X dude. Meanwhile Xenoblade 2 gets millions of threads on Yea Forums either crying about it or calling it a masterpiece.

Absolutely not. 2's combat was barebones as hell and extremely flowcharty. It's all about auto attacking until you can activate one of your 3 arts (or if you've got the skill that lets you use them from the start), do that until you can pop a special, have your AI allies pop the 2nd and 3rd tier special, and then repeat until you have enough orbs to OHKO the boss. And the special matching isn't even hard, it's literally following the flowchart at the top right of the screen and matching colors like a fucking kindergartner.

Plus, the lack of art variety and depth is insulting. It's extremely fucking casualized .

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Why are you so obsessed with sex when you don't even have it.

off the top of my head, The titular gears themselves were nothing but pure anime fanservice.

so now that you animefags have admitted your anime game is infact anime, this is all you've got left? lmao

someone do a good edit of pyra if she fits in

The jeans in this game had no right looking as good as they did.

t. newfag. X caused a massive shitstorm in 2015. Xenoblade threads were uninhabitable from when it was revealed that there'd be censorship (and it was pretty egregious censorship, to be fair) up until release when people playing the game drowned the shitposters out, and then 2 months after that it went right back to being a wasteland as a swarm of faggots descended upon the threads to decry how "bad" X was and nitpicking every minor flaw as if it were game ruining.

I purposefully shitpost in XC2 threads and even I admit that these threads are nowhere near as bad as the X threads used to be.

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Who the fuck was arguing it wasn't anime?
Are you okay, retard?

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Here's your XBX concept art, bro

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I liked it a lot but it's anime as fuck and goes deep in the cringe territory at times.

Mate, if you dont know which seal to use and when, super bosses and challenge mode will just murder you
>no seal reinforcements for that tiny lil critter
>it summons a crap loads of enemies that instagib you

1. Smash Bros Melee
2. Smash Bros Brawl
3. Banjo Tooie
4. Street Fighter V
5. Breath of the Wild

Choco needs to be the main-designer for a Xenoblade game at one point
I loved his camp-fire art in the XB2 art book

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Fuck off with your retarded as fuck bait webm, you dumb nigger.

>>I purposefully shitpost in XC2 threads
Kill yourself.

this looks like a muvluv game
in all the bad ways

Don't forget there was a handful of posters too who complained about Xenoblade X's anime artstyle before people started complaining about down syndrome.

I fucking 100%ed X. I love X. It's nowhere near as controversial as 2 was. I was back in the threads too.

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Every Monolith game has at least one character that looks like an autistic glass eye'd doll. Even XCX

I hated it too, especially in the Playstation 2 era when Namco was publishing them.
It's like a tradition at this point though.

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It is a flawed masterpiece. Literally a "Diamond in the rough". It has some elements that lack polish, particularly in a lack of QOL features. Some side quests are very weak or just straight up bad, while others are amazing and loads of fun. The combat opens up slowly over the first 10-15 hours of the game so you don't get overwhelmed by how deep it can get, but despite this, the game does an absolutely horrible job actually teaching you its mechanics via the tutorial, so instead of learning a complex game at a manageable pace, you are stuck with simple game that gets layers and layers of poorly explained complexity tossed on top with poor explanations until you end up with a very indepth combat system with very little understanding of how it works without personal experimentation or looking up a video guide.

The story is divided into 10 chapters.

Chapter 1 is excellent. Chapter 2 is slow and focused on humor/character/relationship/world building. Chapter 3 is excellent. Chapter 4 is slow, and is focused on humor/character/relationship/world building. Chapter 5 is interesting, but slow, and ends strongly. Chapter 6+ is all excellent. This variance in the first half of the game's story causes many people to dismiss the story before it becomes good, even though the slower pace in the first half and the time taken to establish and develop characters is exactly what makes the events of Chapter 6+ so engaging and worthwhile. Chapter 1-5 is mostly set up while 6-10 is the follow through.

That's a video of someone clowning on Kurodil without using any seals. And the only seal you need for the superbosses is Reeking Douglas, which, I believe, either needed seal reinforcements or seal stench, whichever the one you ended off with a dark element was. None of the others needed it.

t. 2-baby.

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Yeah but she cute

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>1
Everyone loves Melee outside of zoomers who seethe at it
>2
Literally everyone agrees Brawl was shit outside of the roster and Subspace cutscenes and music
>3
Good one
>4
Everyone knows it's shit, they just have to put up with it
>5
Everyone loves it, quit listening to retards.

the downsyndrome was 100% objective criticism tho
and no the retard shit and the end didnt redeem it, was distracting

>Anime
Realistic would have been my first choice. Anime style doesn't really fit the final look of X.

This is the best description of this game
XB2 honestly needs a DE more than XB1
XB1, even with the wii graphics holds up well enough and was pretty tightly designed at launch
XB2 needs the second-pass to see its potential fulfilled

Imagine the seethe from all of the XB1 secondaries ITT
They can't complain that Monolith sold out to nu-anime because CHOCO's worked with Monolith on Xenosaga, Xenoblade X and partially Xenoblade 2.
But they'll be eternally assblasted anyways because CHOCO's an even bigger pervert than Xenoblade 2's designer.

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>XC1 ISN'T ANIME, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>MUH BRITISH VOICE ACTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I just remember the endless shitflinging after everyone who liked the game fucked off. Maybe 1 out of every 5 or 6 threads wasn't endless "lol shit game" and "MY EARS ARE BLEEDING FUCK SAWANO"

and one of the threads gave us pic related.

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Because nin-toddlers have low standards and will overrate any game that comes out after their droughts..

There is plenty of eroge that doesn't have extremely erotic clothing. Even amongst nukige. Just an odd thing to bring up.
I can agree that design is pretty wacky but I see there is a divide among the XC1 only fags. They bring up changing armor which have designs equally absurd XC2 but also say that these designs are bad, rather hypocritical.

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>Realistic would have been my first choice. Anime style doesn't really fit the final look of X.
What? Xenoblade X's characters literally look like textbook Tanaka characters in shape, and their designs are straight out of late 90s and early 00s sci-fi anime like Stellvia.

lin does have downs tho. my only issue with x's characters is they don't have much personality at all compared to the first game. and fuck tatsu.

>Everyone ______
I don't think so, Tim.

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>so now that you animefags have admitted your anime game is infact anime,
are you having a stroke retard-kun? nobody ever denied that "anime girls" were "anime".

By 'everyone' I mean the vast majority of the unwashed masses, which means it isn't really 'controversial'.

ALMOST everyone agrees Melee is great.
ALMOST everyone agrees Brawl played like shit
ALMOST everyone agrees Street Fighter V blows ass
ALMOST everyone agrees Breath of the Wild is a great game (the argument is mostly whether it's a GOAT or just great)

I think that's because 1 had only 7 important cast members to develop, and Sharla still ended up with less development and personality than some of X's 22 cast members. Both are still leagues ahead of 2's cast, though, since that shit is worse than your bog standard isekai power fantasy schlock. I swear that "I respawned in another world with a smartphone and formed a harem" had better character development and personality than 2.

>X
>Not controversial
Its the game no one cares about and already 3rd place when discussion of Xenoblade is taking place. The casual audience doesn't give a crap about because of its lack of charm and just being bad.

Anime style is as valid as any other.

I love all three Xenoblade games and can't understand what's wrong with everyone.

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It'd be great
I just wonder if he'd end up working on a more sci-fi or more fantasy oriented Xeno game as the main artist

Everybody in X looks like an anime character though.
It has realistic texturing in the areas and armor, but the character designs are strictly anime.

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>The casual audience doesn't give a crap about because of its lack of charm and just being bad.
ah yes, it's the casual audience who's opinions i care about when judging if a games good or not. Never mind that X had a lot of enthusiasts who fucking loved it.

I see a lot of Zelda-fans, particularly the nostalgia-fags who grew up on 3D Zelda and the dungeon-centric design of those games, hate Breath of the Wild for taking the series in a new direction. Not even saying "it was just alright", but outright saying it was bad, or one of the worst Zeldas. Maybe it's just bias, but out of all the sites I frequent, literally only Twitter has a consistent praise for BotW.

And also, the divide between Melee/Brawl/new-smash is pretty fucking huge. There are still diehards who refuse to move on from either of them.

>Chapter 6+ is all excellent.
I agree with everything in your post except for this. Chapter 6's first half was the only part of Xenoblade 2 that I would consider genuinely dogshit. I nearly considered dropping the game right then and there, everything about it was awful.

You're making a fool of yourself

yeah bro but, you know, its like an videogame, so the texturing, lighting and so on matters. Like a lot? And the wiiu was ps360 level so you cant even use the "but wii!!" excuse.
They made it less weeb on purpouse

>ever mind that X had a lot of enthusiasts who fucking loved it
So basically no one.

X is the best Xenoblade game, though.

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I could tease Elma in various ways, but not once could I give Celica the hug she desperately needed. Fuck this game.

>Riki
>Sharla
>Reyn
>Dunban
>Fiora
>Having better character development or character moments than Nia, Poppi, Zeke or even Red

Get your head out of your ass

CHOCO actually begged Monolith to let him be the character designer for XBX but they said no and made him armor designer instead.
He begged to be the character designer for XB2 and they said no and let him design a blade.

When Monolith started recruiting for an official in-house character designer after XB2, CHOCO kept on asking and asking and Monolith said no.

Apparently CHOCO actually cried when he got denied that last time because Monolith finally has an actual character designer for good now. Poor guy.

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If anyone needed a hug, it was Lao. Dude was heartbroken that his wife and daughter died, and no one bothered to stop and show him any affection.

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not zelda fan but my take:
That BoW is only a zelda game because nintendo wants scheckels. You can easily remove the refrences (the only real big ones being gorons. The other stuff doesnt even look like they were looking in other zelda games), and call it adventure climbiing man new IP.
Like its really awesome game imo but it almost feel like an retrofitted game to be a zelda game.

>Both are still leagues ahead of 2's cast,
objectively incorrect

Yes, I'm implying exactly that, and more. Poppi, Zeke, and Rex didn't fucking develop at all. Zeke was still fun and had an interesting personality, but he's one of the few redeemable characters in that godawful cast. And 2 didn't even have a huge cast, it had 12 main cast members, almost half of X's, and still had worse character development, and underutilized characters more than either 1 or X.

>This level of shit taste
Ignoring 1. X by default has the worst characters in the series. Under develop and making you grind for character development makes them all trash.

>CHOCO actually begged Monolith to let him be the character designer for XBX but they said no and made him armor designer instead.
another horrible design explained
thx for trivia user

source: my ass

2's character development is one of the only things people who criticize the game still praise.
XB2's cast is leagues more developed than XB1 or XBX's cast, even though XB1 has better characters.

It was designed from the ground up as a Zelda game that took after what made 1, 2, and ALttP so special for their time. Particularly 1. There are tons of nods to other Zelda games in it, and the mechanics aren't even that different from the other 3D Zeldas, since its combat is like a beefed up WW/TP with a bit of HL2 thrown in.

people who got into 1 because they thought it was trying to be more like open world western games (which were starting to become popular around then) don't understand why literally every other xeno franchise game has dumb anime shit in it

>It was designed
yes user i know, everyone knows...thats why i said it feels like

>Apparently CHOCO actually cried when he got denied that last time because Monolith finally has an actual character designer for good now. Poor guy.
TAKAHASHI HAS GONE TOO FAR
Seriously, what's the source on this

Underdeveloped is accurate for the entire cast of 2 and Torna (aside from Lora/Jin), though, and having to "grind" (you didn't, you just had to swap out party members and ace their heart 2 hearts regularly) doesn't make them bad.

They don't know what they're talking about. I played through 2 twice and it was glaringly obvious how underutilized the characters were. In the story, they barely have any interactions that aren't plot-adjacent (like discussing Lila or Torna or fighting Ardanians), and when the rare H2H comes along, it doesn't develop their relationship any, nor reveal interesting tidbits about their characters.

>It's the Evangelion of JRPGs
>You either see it as the masterpiece it is

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source?

...

xc2 has no char devolepment, cause the characters are there just for memes/tropes
Even the joke character from xc1 had more reason to be there then half of the cast from XC2

Not him, but I remember CHOCO posting about it dejectedly on Twitter shortly after it happened. I don't think CHOCO cried, I don't have any proof of it, but he wasn't happy, that's for sure.

The whole series is anime, the point is that older anime was better drawn than new anime, and so could be taken more seriously at face value. Generally the fact that the drawings had overall more realistic or heroic proportions and the faces had more than 2 lines.

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No it makes them bad. If you can't present your characters in a meaningful way to hook the audience then you failed to write a character. There's a reason why no one cares about X cast compare to 1 and 2. The answer is because they're all charmless. worthless, shits with no development. The only character that game manage to use even a little was Lao, Elma and Lin. The only one among those 3 with and "good" development was Lin who got dragged down thanks to the worst Nopon.

you are insane

where are the giant tiddies, boob window and thong? Why isnt she blushing and saying uguu?
Monolith was pretty sjw, heh

this, but without the Eric-fagging. 2's cast reads like a character designed by committee after randoming an archetype trope on TVTropes. Pyra stays as a mother-like girlfriend figure the entire game, never develops, doesn't have any other defining personality trait, and even when Rex calls her a hulking hamplanet so fat she has her own zipcode, she just takes it on the chin and doesn't even admonish him.

And the rest of the cast ain't much better.

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Because it's a style shift from Xenoblade 1, which a lot of people genuinely liked.
See, I don't like XB2, I think the combat is irritating, the enemy placement obnoxious at times, it doesn't seem as clear what type of damage I'm dying to and what my options are at any moment. I don't like how I have to get new blades randomly and raise them before I get to use new arts, I hate how disincentivized I am from just moving around on the battlefield, and above all I'm just not connecting with the story like I did with 1.
But all of that is just how I feel about the game, if I was being dispassionate I could say it's not exactly a bad game, the things I don't like about it aren't inherently flawed, just things I don't appreciate. I just got Zeke, and him and Morag are my two favorites right now, I understand that the random obtaining of blades makes it more exciting to the sort of person that likes to replay rpgs, and while I think it's slow and clunky, I've seen many people glow over the battle system as much as I lauded XB1's. It's just not for me, so I can't like, recommend it in these threads and just say how I feel as a faceless voice online

>nor reveal interesting tidbits about their characters
youtu.be/SAYz01Mze6E?t=47

which hunt?

That's not Monolith, that's Square

Or, could it be, that X's characters just don't have as attractive a design and thus the waifu-fags don't care?

Because I can assure you, having played through both 2 and X multiple times, that X's cast has way more depth and development than 2's. Even joke characters like Alexa go through more character development than even the most well-developed character in 2's cast, Nia.

based retard

Maybe I just don't get what kind of joke you were trying to make with that comment

Gears was made by Square, "Monolith" did not exist

>thank god someone else made one
What's that one look like?

And for every one of those, there are 5 Blushy-crushys and Zeke and Rex shoot the shit on top of a tree. Though I did forget about that one, I'll admit, and it was pretty alright. I just wish there were more of that and less "everyone waxes 'poetically' about the planet in the World Tree and makes the most superficial, surface level observations".

>Tora lamenting the fact that Poppi would be better off fighting alone
This one needs a sequel where Dromarch addresses the fact that Nia is proven to be better off fighting without him

>Because I can assure you, having played through both 2 and X multiple times, that X's cast has way more depth and development than 2's.
You assure me of one thing you have shit taste or a minority in your views. I'll be generous let you decide which label you want. You can pretend X has depth or development compare to 1 or 2 but X will always be bottom tier when it comes to characters. Having to waste time grinding affinity is the biggest turn off and if you're going to do such thing at least be like Fire Emblem Three Houses.

He definitely needs to get hired fulltime by Monolith Soft

Dromarch just needs more attention in general, he's the least developed character in the party next to Gramps and needs more opportunity to talk
The Rex and Zeke bit was cute though, it was nice
the only actually bad one was the Blushy Crushy one.
Most of the H2Hs are cute, even if they aren't terribly serious

>needs more opportunity to talk
He actually did a lot of talking during the architect meetup

2000-20006
The era of "UGUUUU"

we may never fully recover from it.

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Dumb newfag

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user, i'm sorry you weren't here when the game was new, but we used to have tons of threads that were filled with nothing but people talking about the mechanics and gameplay of XBX.
Don't worry, the fact that people like niche games isn't going to stop devs from making popular trendy casual trash games too, your market is in no danger of disappearing.

A large majority of the cast never gets to develop because they never get much speaking lines and always play them straight. They're very flanderized past the chapter they're introduced, if that makes any sense. I dunno how else to describe it.

>Most of the H2H's are cute
I agree, but I wanted a little more... development out of them. I think some character in X had bad H2H's as well, like Mia, since they focused more on being cute than doing the character justice. Mia is still great, though, and the final couple of H2H's from her are good.

You do know that Pyra is just one part of a character right?

Yeah but I mean in terms of putting input into general conversations throughout the game
The issue is that he barely has anything resembling development, he's the most static character.
I'd really just like to have seen a bit more of him in context, you know? Like wasn't he Nia's father's or sister's blade? I'd have loved it if they addressed that and Nia comments on some of the similarities and differences he and her father have
Like Dromarch mostly just gets shit on by Nia when he's trying to be nice

>dont know what the era means
little dumb silly pedo

I get you
I think what would have helped were more H2Hs that were story-event specific, maybe an extra H2H for every Rare Blade.
I agree though, I think X's H2Hs are better but that's in large part due to a lower potential cast count so every character gets more.
>They're very flanderized past the chapter they're introduced, if that makes any sense. I dunno how else to describe it.
I disagree a bit with this.
I think XB2 does play their characters straight but I wouldn't say they were out and out Flanderized to the point of being parodies of themselves.
If think, if anything, you can say the characters were played straight to a fault but I don't think they ever became so exaggerated in their archetypes that they ceased to be characters.
Even Rex, Zeke's and Morag's in the World Tree was pretty good for showing off the differences between the three in a nuanced enough way without actively subverting the archetypes

I do think a good portion of them were flanderized, particularly Zeke, who ends up being le funny meme man for 90% of his interactions after Chapter 6.

>Mate, if you dont know which seal to use and when, optional content outside the main game will just murder you

I like the gameplay of 2 and the story/music/environments of 1. Is that so wrong?

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yes user, it's pretty bog standard for all video games that the main story is easy as fuck and all the challenge is hidden in optional content. it's been like that for almost 20 years now.

Simple, that's what games having a personality tends to do. Asinine games out of the factory are "perfect" polished products, but lacks love. Games like XC2 have their creators putting their heart into it, they're handcrafted. Rough at the edges, imperfect, but with so much personality and love put into it. It basically all goes down to people either liking their entertainment to be perfect consumable flick, or either liking the Ludo that will leave an impression you'll remember all your life.

>particularly Zeke, who ends up being le funny meme man for 90% of his interactions after Chapter 6.
Not really? If anything he's way less jokey than he was before joining the party.

Yeah but that's because he genuinely likes being like that.
It's a conscious persona but he has depth under that at the same time.
He's an unapologetic Chuunibyou who can back up his delusions with action, but I wouldn't say that aspect of his character ended up undermining his origins or depth. If anything, it added to it by having him contrast with his family legacy of people who are pretending to be the son of the legendary hero Addam but are actually just using it as a false birthright to rule over the kingdom. His mostly harmless and benign delusions are a more positive version of false heritage

I wish the environments were as large as 1, they just felt small by comparison. And putting enemies too close to each other a lot of times didn't help either.

>Yeah but that's because he genuinely likes being like that.
>It's a conscious persona but he has depth under that at the same time.
the most underrated bit of NPC dialogue that a lot of people will never see is the dude in tantal who comments on zeke's 'entertaining mode of expression', and zeke tells him he's glad he finds him funny because that's what he's going for

Any game that takes 20 hours to get good isn't "game of the decade".

I like XC2, but the story is pretty shit really. Still have to back and finish my NG+ run and do challenge mode. Stopped playing earlier this year because new games and never went back to it.

People said XB2 is too anime only because the character designer. If only Takahashi go all the way and get somebody that emulate Leiji Matsumoto characters (Galaxy Express 999 inspired XB2 fyi)

This thread is full of retards thinking that the plot and the characters are defined only by the tropes they embody.The thing with XB2 is that while it's a really tropey shonen the writing itself gives them life beyond genre conventions. But TvTropes and Reddit poisoned an entire generation's critical thinking skills, so pointing this out is useless

>Leiji Matsumoto
>Thinking waifu fags would spend money on that
only big milkers and moe, onichan!

Polarizing games are interesting games. Universally loved games don't have unique elements that resonate with some audiences and alienate others. Universally bad games are just bad.

I need to go play that bit again, fucking love all the side-bits of characterization
All the post-battle banter is top-tier, like Adenine being confused as to how a fucking computer works and stores all its information when talking to Kos Mos
Or all the unvoiced generic response or question dialogue where a driver talks to their Blade, like Perdido commenting on how Rex's social skills are super well honed like a Blade

It really varies on how long you dick around with side quests, and other shit like exploration. You can make it to about Chapter 5 in a good couple hours if you focused on the story. This "20" hours meme is ridiculous. Not every game starts with the most engaging combat around. It usually takes awhile to unlock new moves, or mechanics to spice shit up.

Jesus Christ man Gears and XC2 aren't even in the same league as far as waifu pandering. Dismissing the blatantly obvious differences as being "era-appropriate" is just punting the question.
Ridiculous. The game gives you "just enough" plausible deniability and you're buying it. There's nothing remotely equivalent to Pyra and Mythra in Xenogears, to say nothing of the other waifus in XC2.

Calling any remotely attractive anime girl a "waifu" is the best way to show to everyone you're a normalfag redditor that doesn't understand neither writing ,anime. or nuance in general.

>Gears and XC2 aren't even in the same league as far as waifu pandering
Then qualify or quantify your statement, because you're positing a conclusion, not a proof

>waifus in XC2.
other waifus?
you mean Nia?
Cause those are the three of them and that's the end of the list in XB2

correct
xc2 has clearly pandering waifus, in contrast to many other games, for example

That art isn't great, but it's not Uguu.

Uguu is what it looks like a melted puppy.

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Xenoblade 1 is a diamond in near perfect condition.

Xenoblade 2 is an even bigger diamond but it has small pieces of shit stuck to it that can't come off. If you could somehow remove the shit then it would be better than the first but sadly that shit is stuck there for good.

>Ridiculous. The game gives you "just enough" plausible deniability and you're buying it
buying what?
that user was saying XB2 was like a harem incest anime and I'm saying that if you actually take harem or incest anime tropes and look for them in XB2, you'll find it lacking considerably
XB2 has an incredibly clear OTP relationship that neither character is exactly shy about admitting they want to pursue.
Rex isn't a fucking accidental pervert, nor is he oblivious to Pyra's attraction to him.

Waifu means an particular anime girl someone is attached to. Anime in general was always an sexual and weird media, you can't single out one character and call it pandering without making the same statement on the entire media.

The Yamato remake sold really well among otaku and is considered a modern classic.
Leiji Matsumuto is a waifufag, he rehashes the same female character design all the time and his excuse is that it's some beautiful girl he saw in his dreams.

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Do people ever get tired of discussing the same regurgitated points? It feels like we've continually debated over "anime", cliche tropes, pandering, what is or isn't present in older Xeno titles compared to now, and other arbitrary shit on an ad nauseum level now.

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Even the shit is just stuff that could be done better
Take the gacha shit for example: it'd be way easier if you balanced it like so
>Common Cores: 80% chance for 1-star common Blade, 20% chance for 2 star
>Rare Cores: 80% chance for a 3 start common, 20% chance for a 4 star
>Legendary Cores: 100% guaranteed random Rare but there are a finite number of them in any playthrough
The issue with the gacha bullshit is it's designed in a way that the devs clearly didn't anticipate players trying to grind out every single Rare. If you adjust its design for that situation, it's not really that hard to make a version of the system that works better

I know what waifu means you autistic faggots the fact remains you're just hiding behind semantics and excuses to pretend that Xenogears and XC2 are exactly the same and it's really fucking embarrassing. OP asked why the game gets extreme opinions and this is why. XC2 fans can't just confess.

I do but the shitposters won't stop posting about it and the retards won't stop replying

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I just can't fucking stand Rex. Every time he goes through "character development" he's still the same little shit he was since the beginning. Game is still good though.

Yes and people basically stopped talking about it until XB1DE came up and people who were out of the loop for the old discussions came in.

The problem is people, or well, mongoloid shitposters continue to use the word "anime" to describe something as if it were a trope, or adjective. It's a fucking medium. Slapping the word anime on something and saying "UGUUU" all day long is bordering on disfunctional.

>Every time he goes through "character development" he's still the same little shit he was since the beginning.
How would the permavirgins self-insert onto him if he wasn't?

why does XC1 char look like tales of chars now?

I liked that his character development was more about becoming a more mature version of himself rather than doing a 180 from his defining trait like you see in a lot of stories.
But I also understand a lot of people just don't like kid protagonists (and for good reason) so I understand why other people dislike him.

based
Eroge user was right all along, XC2 is basiacly your standard selfinsert eroge!

Is this why he always shuts down mention of Monster Hunter on his stream? Holy shit.

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Because Monolith Soft always wanted them to look more anime (because, despite what people may believe in their heart of hearts, Takahashi and everyone there like anime as an aesthetic) but they didn't have a character designer nor were they very good at rendering 3D anime style graphics. After practicing more with XB2, it seems they feel confident enough to re-do XB1 with a style they actually like.
I am genuinely curious who the character designer on XB1DE is though, because it doesn't look like any of the internal Monolith Soft artists

It's even worse when the best girls are all the ones outside of the main romance

Yea, maybe the most of any good.
Really got into the world

You collect anime girls through an in-game gacha machine.

So imagine for a second what people who like those things might say, then imagine what people who actually like good gameplay and good games might say about a shitty game.

>he's still the same little shit he was since the beginning
When Pneuma sacrifice herself he let her go like a mature person would, he would've never done this at the beginning of the game

The story is horrible and the gameplay is boring, eben if you start spamming arts with Mythra.

This. It's no worse than "kill that monster that spawns only at that very specific weather time to get that 2% drop material. Oh, and you'll need 20x of them". Besides, the rates are calculated so you're more likely to get the "best' (and even that is debatable) Blades late into the game. As in, every other jrpg ever where you get the best weapons lategame. Heck, the best weapon are almost always post-game, even. The only fault with XC2's (generous) gacha, is the way it was implemented: just do it like any other gacha where you can roll 10 Cores crystal at once, or better yet, select the number you want to open, then pop a screen up with the result, and check the ones you want to keep. There, everything is fixed and the gacha is now perfectly viable.

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It's not semantics, the problem is that you see a sexualized character and think that there's nothing behind her beyond sex appeal even though people continously point out what they like about then. And you pretend you didn't listen, using an reddit label to ignore reason.

because that's how tastes work. Some people are going to like it, some aren't.

Is it even a new designer? For all we know, it could literally be the same exact models from XC1. Just with more life breathed into them, due to their new engine. I guess we'll see when the game releases, or if we hopefully get another Xenoblade art book. I love the art books.

>kid protoganist
i know this is not the topic but i want to gripe about this.
I have no problem with kid protganiist.
The problem with (mainly, not exclusivly) jrpgs tho, is never an actual Kid protoganist/character. The character LOOKS and sometime behaves like a kid/teenager but he has dialogue written von some 30 failed salery man.
The end result is some 14 year old that talks absolutely not like a 14 year old and then recitites some Kant bullshit and trys to solve meaning of life and love.
Its so next level cringe and dumb and i dont get why nips and weebs eat it up. Like is it a self insert thing, a pedo thing, i unironicly geniuenly dont get it. Make either the characters older or dont make 14 year old midlife crisis shitters.

Rex actually acts like a 15 year old, though. He's just more responsible, and has a job.

Absolutely this. When I read those, I see my 12yo self again rejecting Nintendo games for being "kiddy" shit and me raving about GTA and other mature games for mature people such as myself. God what an embarrassing phase.

>The end result is some 14 year old that talks absolutely not like a 14 year old
I mean, the purpose of fiction is to exaggerate reality. Rex is a kid because the plot deals with cynicism taking over people's life, and his ingenuity serves as a mirror to their behaviour.

i did it specifically restricted to Xc2, just the genre as a whole. Its also not limited to protag either.
Rex for the most part is actually a retarded kid

I don't know how I feel about this Nia.

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user seriously stop being a retard and ignoring all the context around these terms.
XC2 waifus are titty monsters with elaborate stripper-style outfits. The game contrives numerous titillating interactions and thinly veiled sex fantasies. The fact that you might be numb to it due to it being merely the most egregious example of a trend in modern games doesn't change the fact that Xenogears didn't have this shit to anywhere near the same degree.

Hey buddy resetera is two tabs down.

no in this case you're just defensive that people are calling your fap game a fap game. You almost never see this shit in Taimanin Asagi threads

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Can we use the last 40 posts to discuss how we'd like to see the story elements of 2 that are relevant to it presented in the remake of 1?

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i hope they clean up the last quarter of the game which was clearly a rushed mess

See? You're doing it again. So what if they're sexualized? Is this the totality of their character? What's is it that you don't like about their character arc? You can't explain why you dislike them beyond some puritan anglo bullshit. You should really try opening your mind someday, you might find a lot of enjoyable things that you didn't know before because you dismissed out of prejudice.

>never going to be able to enjoy XB2 discussion again thanks to faggots seething over anything anime

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As far as I'm concerned 2 is not canon. Keep your fanfiction out.

>thinking this is not a thing since initial reveal
go away newfag

I don't need anything more than some slightly updated visuals in the 'birth of a universe' scene.
You don't have to engage them, you know.

Nah, it seems pretty distinct even just in the mesh with different modeling for the nose and brow and
The hair especially is really different
I'm pretty sure they've got a new character artist on this, but it's not Tanaka

>retconning for pandering
i would legit get mad

That never happened. CHOCO is on good terms with Monolith, and regularly post fanart. If anything, and like many other artists, he'd rather stay independent, because it's just plain better.

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>You collect anime girls through an in-game gacha machine.
That's like 10-20%, and it's not just girls
>good gameplay and good games
you're saying that like those things and collectible party members are mutually exclusive

I love it but I know it's not perfect

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Sure, I get that
The main characters who are kids usually are a little too composed or not quite annoying in the way kids usually are. Incidentally I felt like Rex hit a good middleground on that where he does end up acting out or annoying other characters with his naivety or temper

Nigger, the very cover of perfect works already portrays more sexual fantasies than anything in 2. Now show me something in this game even remotely close to a (female) completely naked

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>So what if they're sexualized?
It's distracting and the game literally impossible to look past. It's not just "sexualized" they are hyper-sexualized and the game is contrived around it.
>You can't explain why you dislike them beyond some puritan anglo bullshit.
Who the fuck says I dislike them? You just don't get to say Xenogears and XC2 are the exactly same because they aren't.

>getting mad that 2 made 1's ending not completely retarded

This. And especially for jRPGs, it always takes at least 10h for the combat to get somewhere. Heck, I finished Vesperia for the first time last week, and the combat literally got just decent 20h in.

>it's just because they hate anime
the denial in these threads never fails to entertain

Who circumcised you?

>As far as I'm concerned 2 is not canon
and why the hell would you think that?

>It's distracting and the game literally impossible to look past
I don't know what kind of sexual hangups you have but that's a really silly thing to care about. As I said before, the sexualization doesn't define their characters nor the themes surrounding them, that's why I can see the similarities between XB2 and Xenogears.

>It usually takes awhile to unlock new moves, or mechanics to spice shit up.
Yeah ever since JRPG combat has become about introducing arbitrary convoluted mechanics and 10-20 fucking hours of cutscenes and shit, it takes forfuckingever to introduce everything.

Headcannon I pulled out of my ass, I'm sorry bros

Man, if only we could figure out why people sperg out about 2 instead of mentioning it's flaws in a constructive way

>It usually takes awhile to unlock new moves, or mechanics to spice shit up.
The first game didn't have this problem

I've easily seen 10+ threads since the reveal of XBDE that start with

"Why did they ruin the artstyle and make it so anime just to appeal to XB2fags?"

Anyone complaining about the gameplay is a smooth brain.

>like a harem incest anime
>like a

>other shit jrpg exist, so its ok this jrpg is shit too
i never seen a more coping defense of weakness in a game

You don't unlock the monado arts from the get go, neither you get all the party members
cope

Because the core mechanics of the first game are very straightforward. There's depth but all the depth exists within single systems
All of combat is in the Arts system, most of progression is primarily in gems and builds using gems
XB2 has more systems that have interplay but each system is simpler, so the game tries to introduce those systems progressively since people STILL get confused about it to this day

i rarerly see true pottery

There are posts in this thread that criticise 2 without going into muh anime.
They're not ragebait so no one pays attention to them.

It's okay noner of the xenoshit is good. Not even close to fe or kiseki.

That was actually one of my major gripes with the game since some of the monado powers are ridiculously important for surviving, especially against the final bosses, but these powers are fucking MISSABLE.

This thread proves that xbc2 will never stop being relevant, that faggot will forever be mad and forever shitpost it.

I'm glad we're on for another 2 years. Monolith just keep on giving.

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More like "why it bothers you now but didn't bother you then"

I still laugh at him for posting this right before the Direct

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Man, I hated X's ending. It just cockteased us with this same nothing plot it had been dangling in our faces the whole game. Something about this planet is fucking retarded.

that poor guy

nice cope, do you have a timeline of every person that saying they werent bothered with it ever? stop deflecting

Dude, this one: >It's the same as every other JRPG, only this one was MARKETED as having comedy and romantic elements.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
"comedy and romantic elements"
This is what you tell yourselves.

>valuing the relevancy of a game on its shitposting and criticism

There are, but that wasn't the comment
the comment was "we can't discuss XB2 without people sperging out about the game being too anime"
It's hard to have good discussion when faggots are being reductionist and start shitflinging
The average fan of XB2 acknowledges its major design and production issues as readily as the average critic but the most vocal critics are the ones who come into these threads or make them and start crying about how 1 or X had no anime influence and 2 is bad because all anime is bad.
The issue is that when a game gets caustically vocal proponents/opponents, it becomes a situation where every discussion gets derailed

>sex with teacher
>cringy

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The more Yea Forums shitposts a game, the more popular it becomes outside of Yea Forums. The faggot shitposting ensures artists keep doing xbc2 fanart.

sry, the most popular game on Yea Forums is smash and there is only shulk, so i dont play your shit not relevant game

Best boy.

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So? You got most of the core mechanics of the game far far earlier than in 2. Chain attacks, visions, and the warning party members. There's nothing to cope about retard.
>neither you get all the party members
Neither did 2 so what's your point? That's not what I was referring anyway.

Xbc1 coming into the spotlight again was literally the worst thing it could have happened to him.

Anime is bad and embarrassing

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What are you smoking, can I have some?

the artstyle (and several design choices tied to it) is polarizing. People refer to it as anime ugu, language is a living thing.
Wrap your head around and move on. Its standard 4chin discussion

I'm not talking about "every person who was bothered by it", I'm talking about the specific user who complained about with. Don't put words in my mouth, or we won't have a constructive discussion.

Haven't you notice that patron? look Astral chain, Yea Forums shitposted it like no tomorrow and now is a confirmed success.

>XC1 character designer
OH NO NO NO

>XC1 character designer
I'm pretty sure that intern doesn't work there anymore

Sure but that's hardly discussion.
There's nothing said about the mechanics or what can be done to improve the art style or the story in those types of comments.
Half the people who make those comments don't even play the game, they just dislike the existence of the art-style for it's own sake
Hence, people who have no experience or stake with the game being discussed and screech about an aesthetic style existing in any shape or fashion makes it difficult for the people who actually like the game to talk about its strengths and weaknesses

You got most of the mechanics because they were incredibly simplistic, thus the only shit to spice things up you had were more monado arts ant party members. Which took a lot to unlock just like 2 did

We should trick him into wishing against something we want.

>hates weeb shit
>loves nomura

Thats actually pretty nice. If only all xc1 fags were like you

You would be surprised by how many KH autists hate XB2

If only it stopped there.

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