Whenever your WoW Classic fix is done, why not play FFXIV? It’s a MODERN online game, not some bloated code on a 20-year old engine like current retail WoW.
The community for the most part are nice and friendly if you have any trouble starting out. Also there is a Nier Automata event coming soon!
Trannies infest every game now. That’s just something you’re going to have to learn to blacklist.
Brayden Collins
I tried it, and one stupid thing made me drop it immediately.
Load zones going towns. It made the world feel disconnected and i immediately lost interest.
Yeah I'm fucking autistic
Michael Jackson
That’s only the starting cities because of the PS3 limitations on release
Aiden Garcia
> Game infested with trannies. > Spend 98% of the time doing childishly easy solo content. > Maybe once a day play in a group of more than 4 people. Nice "MMO" you've got there.
Samuel Roberts
But loding between Kalimdor and EK or Darnasdus is fine, amrite?
Nolan Gomez
So other cities are actually connected to the world?
Angel Nguyen
And they're too lazy to ever fix it. Pathetic.
Tyler Parker
That’s the lore content dipshit. It’s supposed to be easy, not gated of to high ranking guilds that don’t give a shit about the story, like in WoW.
>It gets good 200 hours in, just play through the absolutely garbage main story and decent expansions dude
Luke Wood
It’d be a waste of resources
Ethan Morgan
You'll struggle to find games that don't do this.
Noah White
Okay, what content is supposed to provide even a minor amount of challenge or engagement?
Wyatt Robinson
Played since ARR, game has lost all potential after Heavensward. It's boring af outside of savage and ultimate, and even that gets boring fast. The community is full of passive aggressive fags that can't take any criticism about the game. Fuck off. Story and music is top tier though, Square doesnt deserve any of the talent within those realms. Yoshida is a fucking hack.
Gabriel Sullivan
it already is good blizzdrone
Angel Turner
This+invisible walls everywhere. Everything feels generic and artificial, even the loot is boring.
FFXIV is a single player game, it doesn't came near wow classic, it's just as shit as retail wow.
>gear doesn't fucking matter >everything in the whole fucking game until savage raids is 1000% braindead easy >you have no reason to need other people >you see no one while leveling >nobody communicates >dungeons are piss easy >classes are completely homogeneized
Man, I'll never come back to FFXIV, after 500 hours of gameplay I must have had like two interactions with people aside from my guild.
If I'm to play something after wow classic, it sure as hell won't be FFXIV, I might as well try other classics like Ultima Online or maybe wait for Pantheon, it seems to be building up to be a legit contender.
I can't imagine how it would. I developed AGP from all this anime bullshit, if I really wanted to get rid of it I'd cut that all out of my life. Just one fag's opinion though
Hunter Adams
Woah bro you got him. A literal continent having its own instance is the same as the town square. Fucking retard. I spit on you pwtoo.
Josiah Anderson
A lot of games don't need loading zones for cities tho. Witcher 3 just at the top of my head
Chase Garcia
Shit game, i played for 4 months and completed Stormblood in 4.3 and beat O7S when it was relevant. Was progging O8S till it made me ragequit over how absolutely braindead the average pug player was. Constant loading, mediocre story (imo, good for a mmo), shit tab target gcd gameplay, people erping in my roulettes, never revamping the old content, dead content, obnoxious crafting animation locks, just pay to grind, please buy more bank space if you want to craft, housing is only for multi millionaires and trans people/ e thots shitting up my guilds. Never seen so much goddamn drama in a single mmorpg during such a short time. I am probably never returning again.
Liam Butler
Find me a mmo with no loading times
Jack Harris
So, to get to any challenging content, you have to get all the way to what was originally end game, in order to fight 5 bosses. Wow, dude, that's pathetic.
Jack Garcia
Is this a mod or a real costume? If it's real I'll download asap, I think I have a trial code
Blake Ward
>Waste of resources
They have the money to fix it easily
Dylan Reyes
BDO
Nathaniel Perez
>WoW players game is so shit reply to shit bait threads Why are you guys not home?
Jeremiah Hughes
>>Tells people to have sex >>Couldn't get sex himself >>Is so ugly as a monster man trying to be a woman thing wouldn't actually have sex with himself
The day of 40% isn't soon enough to end your suffering. Don't worry though, archeological study will still label you a man
Brandon Jackson
> AAA developer. > Probably the largest in Japan. > Can't afford the resources to fix shit like separate zones, even though the game originally didn't have 3 minute loading screens between each small area. Are japs just retarded then?
Ryder Rodriguez
>trial code There's a free untimed demo available to everyone bro.
Ryan Roberts
Runescape 2007 lmfao
Evan Price
Where da curves?
Nolan Reyes
are you one of those people who expects everyone to talk to them while you talk to nobody?
Ryan James
>anime mmo it's definitely going to make it worse
Jackson Watson
Good thing runescape looked exactly like a modern mmo
Kevin Butler
Darnassus is a city, fucking retard. So is Exodar. So is Silvermoon.
Lucas Morales
I see, it's been months since I received it, so besides it probably being expired, I didn't know things have changed
Lincoln Powell
The mere fact that every discussion about red mage ends up with some dumbfuck knob saying something asinine like "And if that's your parties make-up, you wouldn't play a RDM in the first place" tells you everything you need to know about why it needs major buffs. People shouldn't be saying shit like that, nobody ever says that shit about any other job in the game. Why in the flipping fuck should RDM fans be the only ones in the game who have to deal with constant "dude just play BLM or SMN" bullshit. It's not right and it speaks volumes about the balance issues faced by the class.
Why do you think that shit is okay??? It's fucking not.
William Moore
>blood elf tranny not in classic wow
Bentley Richardson
play guild wars 2
Juan Diaz
it literally takes 3 seconds on a good quality SSD. I'd rather have a loading screen that takes me to where I want to go than to spend however many seconds walking there.
Zachary Miller
Good thing most people don’t give a fuck what your playing as long as you’re not dead and/or not knowing how to play your class.
Aaron Allen
The only time I enjoyed walking places was in Mabinogi.
Joseph Wright
Actually rs2 has loading screens. They are short but the game hangs and displays loading on the top right when it loads a new chunk for the player.
Kevin Gomez
I try But the leveling is so atrocious and uncomfy that I cant play for long
Hudson Rogers
SE insists on using all of its cash to fund shit no one wants, leaving successful projects like FFXIV dangerously close to maintenance mode. Doesn't help that they can't find anyone who speaks Japanese and can work in MMO development.
Landon Butler
Play with friends ya dummy.
Asher Foster
someone post that major city 1.0 vs 2.0 comparison where you spend 1 minute walking vs 5 seconds loading
Austin Flores
Hah that's a funny joke. Explain why pfs lock them out from joining and kick them out as soob as they do join then. That shit happens.
You fags always so "nobody cares" but then when it comes down to it it's always"dude just play blm". Just admit RDM needs to be better
Carter Wright
I've just finished my first 30 days in XIV and I have to say its the biggest waste of money I have ever spent on a video game. I will not be subbing again. I would get a refund if I could. If you like dress up and ERP its great(you are a faggot), but if you want an actual game you are going to be sorely disappointed.
The animations are complete and total dog shit. We are talking PS1 level animations. All the bosses are just "dont stand in shit". The classes all have too many buttons that do the same thing(my class Dragoon has almost 20 buttons in its basic rotation). The abilities aren't even interesting either, they are designed to be strictly used one after another in a VERY specific order. So specific that your next abilitiy will light up with an outline on the HUD/Action bar. Everyone is ERPing and pretending to be girls CONSTANTLY. They erp in the general channels, they erp in your FC channel(I joined 7 different FCs and they were all ERPing non-stop). Most people actively talk about being trans and taking pills. One person was discussing how they will cut their leg, collect the blood, and inject it into their anus to simulate a menstrual cycle. I haven't wasted any time on professions, but if the rest of the game is any indicator its probably not good. The leveling is absolutely the worst experience I have ever had in a video game. There are like 5 different types of quests you do, then they just repeat with different flavor text, you do these same 5 quests 1000 times each(I am not joking). The story is total garbage Everything takes place in tiny instances. Every dungeon is a very narrow hallway with bosses living in circular arenas. None of the male characters look masculine, but instead are faggy little cunts.
Levi Watson
im 25 user, not 16 , no one has time to mmos anymore in my social. circle
Ian Stewart
Now that ALL the pastas and dilating drones are out of the way can we talk about the ninja buffs
>2004 >holy shit I can't wait to explore azeroth, it's going to be so incredible it'll be so much better than warcraft 3 >2019 >holy shit I can't wait to explore gender issues because I'm a flaming faggot tranny that bases their life on their genitals and can talk of nothing else Trannies unironically should be hung from street lights
Jaxson James
If you want to play with parsing meta trannies then yeah play blm or whatever the meta is. These "people" make up a small percentage of the game but they're probably the most fucking vocal, too. Literally anyone else does not fucking care what you play, that shit only applies to higher end content.
Luis Parker
someone post that image of a bunch of people waiting to kill a respawning NPC
Logan Ramirez
there's no immersion when people teleport and vanish into dungeons
Jordan Butler
I bought both expansions and have played it. I strongly advise against playing this garbage game. I hate that even cities had multiple loading screens. I hated that they even managed to put loading screens into savage raids. O5S had a mechanic you could skip if the WAR/burst DPS could burst a ghost add down quick enough. Too bad that required you to have the game on a SSD because lmao, loading screen. Fuck this game.
Julian Jackson
only mch and dnc are in the shed
Brody Edwards
Make your own pf then.
Cameron Wilson
gamer
Joseph Young
None. The hardest content in this game gets cleared in a day. The hardest thing ingame to your average xiv addict is probably talking to people outside of their tranny hugbox circlejerk or trying to buy a house
Ryan Ward
I’m 37 and I can find some people to play with online. Hell you can just ask on here.
Christopher Allen
This thread has already been infested with trannies. I know the spell to cleanse this place...
You keep trying to make this about meta but it's not. No other job in the game deals with that shit. Nobody ever tells ninja fans to "dude just play monk" or dancer fans "dude just play bard." Yet you can't be a fan of red mage without people treating you like a second class citizen whose concerns don't deserve to get heard.
MMO wars aside, it only takes one match of PvP to see how shit FFXIV's code is. When nobody appears on your screen where they actually are and the movement of other players looks fucking whack, something is wrong.
The immersion of a living world is not worth the cost of holding forward on empty land for 25 seconds longer than I should every time there should've been a load screen. I'm already wasting my life playing my 20th mmo so cut that shit out, it's not even immersive after the first time.
Brandon Roberts
>2.5s gcd and boring story >uninspired races >Devs don't give a shit and balance your overly complicated classes >only four fights in a raid >Cash shop And it's finally a dead game, as it should be
Connor Perez
Just because a few people can clear stuff in a day doesn’t mean everyone can.
Benjamin Bell
dilate and cope fftranny
William Foster
SAM got knocked down to 5th NIN took it's place.
Angel Robinson
you should have a SSD by now. 120gb is only $20 now
John Sanchez
It's honestly kinda sad how little end game content there is.
Juan Scott
Wake me up when they rework the leveling
Isaiah Davis
balance data proved this wrong
John Ross
Then why make an MMO faggot?
Joseph Turner
5.3
Levi Bailey
>Wasting life playing my 20th mmo
There's your first problem
Matthew Butler
The 2.5s GCD isnt so much of a problem since you have free CD skills But the free CD skills are usually boring
says you. I got classes to level, a free company to grow and manage, gil to make so I can be raid ready and pay for my sub.
Jason Jones
I know, but after Classic, what's there to play? Do you think they can successfuly keep the formula fresh for a long time?
I know I only want the slow leveling, social experiences. I'll probably just level like 3 or 4 characters to 60, don't even plan to raid, just want the comfy exploration, talking to people, making friends and helping people.
All of these things are completely unexistent in FFXIV.
Julian Carter
Most people who hate the slow GCD should just play monk and samurai.
Jonathan Johnson
>PVP Don't get me started on this aside from the fucking 1+ hour queues I have to sit through. The bots "players" the the 3 group pvp, and how dead the content in general is. I do, 500gb, however I also play other games.
Ethan Smith
So SAM is even further down?
Christian Ross
I’m playing pvp for the Garo sets and mounts. Also leveling up other classes.
Ryder Cruz
>posts ass Oh, it’s a retarded fanservice schlock game? Zero interest, thanks :)
Jason Roberts
Yeah, those cleared it in a week or two Eden savage is pathetically easy and boring ST drivel
Cameron Edwards
>titan down + mount acquired >2 primal dragons acquired Is there anything else to do as far as actual SHB full party content goes?
Matthew Taylor
If your talking about the twitch prime thing, that wasn't a trial, it was a full copy of the base game (no expansions)
Jose King
They're above NIN but below MNK/DRG but its only 2-3% difference.
Brayden Martinez
> Playing PVP in a 2.5GCD game. Nah, I'll just stick to turn based games at that point.
Aiden Parker
During that time you could have gotten the Heavensward expansion for free.
Eli Collins
>> They can barely get stable servers, all of the money made fro XIV gets funneled into other random projects like XV.
James Brown
>2 primal dragons acquired How many kills did that take you? I've killed both bosses a total of 90 times and I've only seen one drop
Ethan Wright
Sucks for you mate. I enjoying myself.
Cameron Morris
Not that user but I killed jannnie extreme only 13 times and got the mount then.
Easton James
Those don't have loading screens tho
Lucas Brown
If it's unexistent(sic) it's because you're an antisocial retard or playing on some alien land like a japanese datacenter. Back in hw i got dragged into a guild, helped people out with queues, got invited to a raid group and a bunch of people kept fucking asking me to do shit with them.
Adam King
How long for each queue? 2 hours?
Chase Gutierrez
Post your logs
Jack Wood
5~20 minutes
David Long
This + Everything in the world is souless, you can't do anything except fight, the menu management simulator known as crafting or raid.
The art and character design are top tier but everything else is utterly without soul or purpose. The worlds may as well be empty, I could even walk through chairs sometimes. Just everything is completely pointless.
It's really sad because it's a beautiful world full of tons of great art, props, buildings etc, but almost all of them have zero purpose, zero gameplay etc. It all serves as a pretty backdrop for making numbers bigger to enter a circular raiding feedback loop. Where's the adventure?
nice art though
Xavier Carter
fuck off faggot, I'm glad the WoWfugees are finally gone. I've pugged all the way to E3S today and cleared with minimal wipes. If the WoW mouthbreathers were still playing a regular normal mode run would be met with at minimum 5 wipes.
no, their proportions are closer to toddlers than anything; most people that insist they're underage or intended to look the part either don't play the game or are oddly fixated on the idea that they're underage. the story alone very quickly informs you lalafells are conniving jews and shrewd businessmen
the state of housing is fucking abyssmal in this game, housing districts are almost entirely empty, I remember back in ARR there would usually be plenty of people running around housing wards since houses were FC's only, when they made personal housing, it soaked up all the plots and made every ward a ghost town should have kept plots for FC's (since they actually need it for the workshop and shit) and made personal housing limited to upgrade-able apartments, maybe add a balcony so you can have outdoor furnishings maybe then they wouldn't have people screeching about housing all the fucking time and wasting time and money adding more wards
Parker Morgan
>dilatabrea Fuck that's stupid but it kills me
Adam Mitchell
>Feast is super fast >Frontline has a daily and good rewards >Rival Wings is the longest mode by far, gives the same reward as Frontline, has no dailies >"Why does no one play Rival Wings?" It's a fucking mystery Mr. Yoshida.
Robert Sanchez
You don't have to go in with a full party but you should since more treasure drops and you clear faster.
Jaxson Scott
>Whenever your WoW Classic fix is done, why not play FFXIV? Because Classic have great leveing full of social interactions. MSQ feels like a single player game.
Christian Sanders
>200 hours of obligatory main story quests
Charles Evans
>game about big strong bearded dwarves and nasty orcs Based >Game about tranny cat girls and homo elves Cringe
Carson Williams
elidilate
Jordan Hughes
>wew help me with this quest >I can't, it's a single player quest >oh
>wew, help me with this quest >sure >mob dies in 2 secs >welp
>hey, craft something for me please? >it's old in one hour
>let's do some dungeons? >they are fucking easy >nobody needs to communicate >every mob dies in 2 seconds with aoe >if you're tanking and you're slow everyone is mad at you
ultra kek
Dylan Sanders
So you mean it'd be the exact same, but everyone would stand around Foundation instead of Limsa Lower Decks all day?
Bentley Thompson
Ishgard will rule again.
Jace Barnes
That modding discord that got pruned for having lala choke 'porn' in it, which got flagged for cp and child abuse.
Isaiah Hernandez
Wait why does a game with three expansions have a lot of story quests
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Post data center and maybe I can come give it to you in game?
Colton Nguyen
>And it's finally a dead game >has record amount of subs
Large mansions should be FC only, it baffles me how some individuals own their own, they are way too fucking big for just one person.
Easton Williams
It's pretty funny because most pedophiles are jews too.
Justin Johnson
please be in crystal
Levi Diaz
>implying any of those happened to anybody in this game Nice larp schizo
Ayden Jenkins
Why are wow classic players not playing their game?
Adam Torres
Literally all the social interaction I've seen on Classic is the equivalent of twitch chat memes.
Sebastian Stewart
Primal, sorry
Gabriel Bell
>don't have time to play content in the same week it releases >you now don't get to play it ever, since players are so far up their own asses they won't even allow anyone without clear experience into their parties anymore what a fun video game
that was ages ago and lalafell content is still hosted through that textools discord, just not with preview images or le epic lewd screenshots. the discord itself notes that lalafell content is still fine but discord went full retard on what is and is not loli to please their shareholders, discord in general isn't kind to porn servers
Gavin Hill
There are no other cities
Austin Bennett
standing in line waiting to kill a quest mob isn't social interactions.
Kayden Rodriguez
>not wanting to be a tranny catgirl First time playing as a chick in an mmo and I'm getting all kinds of free stuff. Multiple guys have confessed their love for me. It's comfy
It's a terrible game. I've been playing on and off since 1.0 and am glad I can finally drop it for good. I'll still resub for the story every 6 months or so.
Colton Morris
Make a clear party, dumb fuck. Even if you're the only one trying to clear you'll usually get some vets who will come and help out
Xavier Brooks
If he says it enough times, maybe it'll come true.
They've been saying it for years now. It's all in the fireden archives. "This game is dead" since 2015
Camden Bennett
Except free gear have no meld/overmeld slots and come 6 months late?
Christian Lopez
OP was bait and they all fell for it
James Moore
For what content?
Noah Bell
Stop being gay
Andrew Davis
>all the way you can get to level 50 in a fucking day
Aiden Turner
cope, the 2.5s GCD makes the combat more clunky than it should be even with all the oGCDs in the world. Also, the combat is already clunky to begin with and output gets registered a second after being hit. It's fucking garbage. OSRS unironically has better and smoother combat than this piece of shit game.
I think new players can’t get to level 50 in a day.
Owen Evans
what? I've played as a catgirl for almost 5 years now and uh, well I've only been confessed to twice. I admit that I don't erp or hang around limsa or whatever chat hubs there are because I find people annoying and their jokes stale and they're all really reddity. But it's not like I canstantly get shit because my character is cute. Hell, I get more compliments when I play as my male elezen alt, desu.
Leo Morgan
Stupid frog poster
Xavier Clark
sorry that your ping is shit because it literally works on my machine
Jonathan Wood
If you played for the full 24 hours it's probably possible
I want the mounts before you can’t get them anymore but I suck at pvp and want to put in the absolute minimal effort possible because it isn’t fun. How do I git gud because right now it feels like 100% luck.
Jayden Thompson
Just steal the quest item / tag the mob. No one will even remember nor play after a week from this line.
Matthew Russell
Money? Have you seen gil prices lately? You can pay your sub and buy a new monitor or GPU with gil.
Thomas Mitchell
well, anyone can get there in a week
it’s not hard
Jaxson Clark
I don't know, maybe it's my FC or just the people I meet. One guy even paid money to buy me mogstation items. Maybe my catgirl is just sexier than yours.
whenever I did frontlines I just backdoored alone and took the other team’s home points right as objectives spawned and that seemed to work well enough
Tbh its not the gcd that makes the combat clunky but the animation delay on spells, on wow you press the spell and it goes off instantly, on FF there's a delay because an animation have to play gcd doesnt really matter because you have a lot of off gcd spells
Leo Hughes
You don’t understand. I want the mounts. They’re going to be gone forever.
Isaiah Long
>>you have no reason to need other people >>you see no one while leveling >He doesn't craft or gather
>I put in the absolute minimal effort possible you and every other cum guzzling retard determined to make the PVP as awful as it can be, PVP with players who just don't give a fuck is fucking shit, players who actually work to win make it fun as fuck
the initial load into the world the long load times bringing all characters on screen the massive pop in riding a horse the load into the wave pvp load when changing channels
Luke Baker
Nah I ain't no fag nigger
Carter Anderson
I have and the first season was ok. Didn’t like it after they swapped out the protag. This isn’t like other seasonal events though, you won’t even be able to buy it off mogstation after it ends. It will be impossible to ever get again.
Hunter Moore
Ah yes that is what I was thinking of but forgot, haven't played this game in ages
>80k Wolf Mark's and 54 more wins to go, 28 Feast, 6 RW/Frontline, 20 anything. I might make it. Maybe.
Connor Adams
Join maelstrom and don’t be a complete retard and you will win about 90% of the time.
Isaac Johnson
I prefer ffxivs system over wows system because the animations in ffxiv look a whole lot better. it flows well and makes sense. meanwhile in wow you got 2-3 different animations all clipping at once because of the gcd+procs which makes your character look like they're having a seizure.
Jackson Myers
It isn’t fun so why should I care? I put in the effort just to get the win, but only for the reward. I don’t actually care about it. In fact I hate it. It’s probably the worst grind of any content in the game. I’d honestly rather be in daidem than sitting through a 30 minute game of frontlines but it’s worth it for the mounts, titles and gear.
Noah Ross
No, they're all firmly in the shed, and dancer is buried beneath the shed. For the melee looking at this link keep in mind the balance buffs aren't reflected in these numbers yet. fflogs.com/zone/statistics/29#aggregate=amount&dataset=75
Anthony Nguyen
I've seen those people a lot in MMOs and honestly they're more retarded than trannies.
Henry Diaz
Wow is also a single player game, wtf are talking about?
Cooper Stewart
So when are they giving us Bards back our buffs and get rid of Dancer?
Jayden Anderson
thread is trash and people are posting cp so i guess it's ok it's just gonna be deleted anyway
>holy shit I can't wait to explore gender issues because I'm a flaming faggot tranny that bases their life on their genitals and can talk of nothing else >Trannies unironically should be hung from street lights I.R.O.N.Y
Sorry bigot, trannies are everywhere now. It's not cool to be a cis male anymore. Cut your dick off.
Noah Hall
Holy filter batman, how could you think that's good?
Austin Turner
You're not gonna make it. The patch is in a month.
Benjamin Brooks
faerie :^)
Kayden Taylor
Most wow classic players are just enjoying wow and not posting on Yea Forums
Carson Bennett
Frontlines is really fun when everyone plays to win, back in SB, queues were near instant and it was really fun, I spent more time in SB launch playing Frontlines than doing the story, I mostly played MCH, BRD and DRK and I managed to get tons of kills, which felt fantastic when you cut your teeth a bit, 72 man frontlines is really fun, can't wait for them to add the new map, I got all the Garo shit ages ago when PVP queues were near instant at prime time and
Kayden King
they're both boys user. Can't remember the name but it's a FFXV doujin, that's Noctis and Prompto.
Nathan Jones
There is a lot of stuff about this game they are too lazy to fix >haven't fixed or removed the job system (this one would admitidly require extensive quest rewrites but there are some qol improvements that could be made without) >haven't added swim able water to most of the older zones >haven't added speech bubbles
Ian Young
Cp? Where?
Eli Barnes
unfortunate, but I could still come pay a visit
Easton Howard
Why the fuck are there two different Kiba sets anyway?
Anthony Thompson
Xiv is a massive moneymaker but square refuses to funnel that money back into the game.
Benjamin Long
I started last week pvping and I already got Garo, Dan, Kiba, and MCH sets and I need 21 more frontline wins.
Grayson Martinez
Fucking Nomura
Jackson Martin
But they are shitting up the thread now
Sebastian Jackson
This shit is basically console wars under a different guise. >HAHA WOWCHADS WE BTFO THE TRANNIES >FFXIV IS BASED WOWFAGS FUCK OFF >repeat to infinity how about we let people enjoy and play wha they want
I really really want to play MCH but I hate how there's no sustain what so ever(second wind is garbage dont (you)me), maybe i should just go back to my DRG/MNK
You only need 10 wins for frontline. 30 for feast and 50 total
Parker Fisher
>Want to spend an evening rubbing a chubby qt's tummy, listen to it gurgle as she scoffs another couple of eclairs and I move everything around sloshing from side to side making more room. >Chubby girls stink and always come with a neurotic mess that requires sorting out.
They have plenty of time to shit up threads when waiting for their 3 hour queues. Pay attention.
Henry Jenkins
>3min loading what? its literally a few sec at most
Tyler Ward
No idea why they didn’t do Giga they lazy fuckers.
Noah Cook
Because there's no reason to insist on red mage when you don't need to do the things it can do. When you've progged enough and need to beat enrage on that tough final fight just switch to black mage. It shares gear. Jobs can all be levelled on one character. Don't complain about losing 80 rdm dps from spell speed melds on your filler gear either.
Robert Hughes
I thought it was 60 total.
Leo Evans
>balance data >half of them are hardstuck on e4s and some of them even e3s
Sebastian Campbell
You need 60 frontline wins to get Kiba’s mount.
Jaxon Price
People can enjoy what they want but I'll still call their taste shit and their IQ low for giving money to Activision.
Hunter Kelly
You can rub my tummy if you want user. I'm skinny though. And a guy. But I have a big dick. But I'm a neurotic mess and you'll have to sort me out.
Like most western games, Wow is a game aimed at trannies. FFXIV is a much better alternative.
Leo Gray
Yea you need 60 wins to get sliver wolf mount and Kiba mount
Jacob Perez
What I hate about this game is the community, specifically the people who act like just because you aren't single-mindedly devoted to clearing everything right away that means you're bad. So what if I clear E2S then chill for a few weeks before going ahead with levi and titan?
Zachary Watson
nigger I suffered it though 5.05, its still going to be annoying to play, but at least I don't need to feel bad about doing no damage I levelled all my aiming jobs including NIN so I could throw away the retarded amounts of scouting/aiming shit I pick up in dungeons, NIN is fun but fucking busy
Elijah Baker
The only "rush through this asap" shit I legitimately agree with is praetorium and the other story dungeon before it, because both of those fucking suck
Jason Allen
Buy 450 crafted gear If you're too poor do hunt trains for gil and supplement pieces with 450 normal raid gear and ex primal gear Cap weekly tomes for 460 deepshadow gear Once you're 450 start pugging savage for 470 gear and deepshadow upgrades
obtain AF gear from gerolt in tempest > do lvl 80 dungeons or get goetia tomegear > do eden normal / get accessories+weapons from ex primal > obtain crafted gear or get phanta tome gear > start doing savage for best in slot gear
Connor Gray
user.... nobody actually gives a shit stop going to /vg/ where people don't even have a job
Daniel Wright
I've played a female character in every online MMO-like game since 2003 and not once, not a single fucking time have I ever had a guy "confess their love for me." Then again, I'm not a flaming faggot attention whore that's active on shout chat and multiple tranny LSs trying to bait men into replies.
>24 hours passes >your fflogs dropped in percentile >another 24 hours passes >it dropped again fuck you too
Gavin Rogers
Crafting, the content where crafted gear matters
Oliver Peterson
WoW dev team actually hires trannies which is worse than having a playerbase of trannies. At least you can ignore trannies in-game, but you can't ignore that trannies are actively affecting the decisions that go into the game design.
>"You can be every class on one character!" But I don't want my agile ottermode guy to suddenly be swinging two-handed weapons. I don't want my gentle elf maiden to suddenly be an evil ninja. It's fucking jarring. >"It's got new code base!" Yeah but it's not so new as to actually be new and the nature of FFXIV is I have to slog through all the old stuff to get to the new stuff anyway. >"It has better dress-up options!" In the sense that the models are better and the Japs outright cater to fapbait. The actual system is a full decade behind WoW's somehow despite coming out after Transmog.
Connor Taylor
this is console war "logic"
Lucas Russell
Not really because you won't find 7 other people dumb enough to waste their time because they think doing organization and voice in a discord server means it's also some kind of thirsty loser community.
Daniel Diaz
>Have legitimate grievances with how antiquated FFXIV feels >duhhh console warriors
Based retardbro.
Carter Howard
I mean if you're willingly throwing away your time to get multiple characters up to the same point because you're a retarded roleplayer then it's entirely on you.
Charles Cruz
unlock the other 80 dungeons and do them so you can do expert roulette get gear from expert + goatse tomestones to get i440, make sure you cap on phanta tomestones from running expert roulette at least a few times a week, put cheap +40 materia on your i440 gear then put the +60s on your i450+ upgrades
once you're in all i440 do eden normal raids, upgrade torso = legs > hands = head = feet > belt
after weekly lockout do extreme trials, run titania until you get i450 weapon, and innocence until you get all i450accs
if you have i450 weapon and i450 accs and probably 1 piece of i460 gear from eden normal you can do eden savage
note that you'll need to set aside 1000 tomestones by buying tokens for your phanta i460 weapon in 7 weeks from clearing eden 4 normal unless you get the drop from clearing eden 2 savage, 10 tokens means setting aside tokens at least 3 weeks since the weekly cap is 450 phanta
Jordan Brown
all arguments devolve into the same namecalling bullshit anyways, it's better to just let people do what they do
Henry Cooper
I been playing for 6 years and I have yet to see anything about trannies.
Carter Perez
>Wow is the basis of which all other mmos, including recent ones (nothing new coming out on the horizon other then maybe Pantheon) compare themselves to. >All blizzard games since Starcraft 2 have been weird things no one wanted but keep getting funded because of WoW. >Classic is actually pushed out. >Not playing but wishing for it to have a level success so people stop trying to clone wow's faction system, story, and homogenization (as shit as certain classes and specs hopelessly are).
>FFXIV 1.0 comes out. >Combination of trashfire and further scares people away from non-wow-likes. >Ohshitwhatareyoudoingnigger.png >FFXIV 2.0 gets shat out. >WoW like but still shows issues from 1.0 and a combination japanese inexperience with balance and mmos (80% of my crafting FC got banned for being too rich). >Heavensward comes out. >Goes full wow but for weebs and strong theater influence. >prettygud.jpg >Decision making seems much better then before. >Communication with western audiences much clearer. >Devs aren't dissappointed with not-wow numbers but can see the level of success. >Now >Kinobringers. >Game and balance in better state then it's ever been (relatively). >Got friends into game and glad for many of the QoL changes like getting certain skills earlier. >2.0 Story and pacing is still cancer though.
lmao you don't need discord or voice for organization or communication dumbfuck. discord is nothing but a pathetically transparent attempt to pull people out of the game and closer to you, fuck off loser I'm here to play a game not to be your "friend"
Cooper Ortiz
Did you dig up a 6 year old post
Matthew Gonzalez
Thanks, I don't know what much of that means yet but it's a place to start!
Aaron Rogers
You got the tism
Tyler Carter
>class switching >antiquated fucking lol gook/western games never have that shit because they're either incompetent or want to jew your play time and cosmetic money.
Landon Murphy
>I mean if you're willingly throwing away your time to get multiple characters up to the same point You're doing it too, user. If you can't figure out why I might say that you might actually be really stupid.
James Myers
They're all either on Gilgamesh tryharding or on Balmung trying to create futa harems.
Andrew Moore
wow retail is the competitor of xiv, not classic
Brayden Bennett
>have a mi'qote that's a mithra you philistine
Joseph Russell
No shit. MMOs are all about the long term game. WoW Classic won't even be a thing 10 years from now but FFXIV will just like how FF11 is going to be 18 years old next year and still getting patches.
Have you seen how SE is ALWAYS hiring senior positions for their MMO staff? They actually lack the resources to do anything major, which is why they keep coasting with what they got and doing band-aid applications in the process between expansions. The amount of folks with MMO/low-level networking/engineering experience that are fluent in Japanese and/or live there are very slim.
Cameron Sanchez
It's a mi'qote, are you fucking blind? Here's a fucking elezen too so you don't have to get your eyes checked.
I have one omnipotent character because I'm not a seething retard like you.
Jayden Ramirez
Classic is such a good game that its hype got me to try the starter addition of FFXIV. It was mildly fun for about 10 hours, purely off the back of nostalgia for the old ps1 games. It's shit, along with every other mmo. You will find yourself following other people on the same exact quest routes for hours, never interacting with them once as you wait for the piss-easy combat to play itself.
I set up ACT and the parser but how do I get the overlay to show up ingame? "Show FFXIV overlay" seems to be activated?
Julian Stewart
I fucking hate your ugly gay game.
Brayden Long
why wont this fucking game let me play. I paid for it and it wont let me fucking login. I havent been able to play all day and this shit is pissing me off.
why does SE always have these stupid problems. I just fucking played yesterday..
Enable miniparse or use a overlay plugin like kagerou
David Richardson
Cute bun, would hold her hand and maybe lewd if she wanted
Hunter Foster
For your sanity's sake just skip all of the suggestions before Eden savage and buy crafted gear. It's dirt cheap and it's a far better use of your time to get the gil for it than it is to farm 10 runs of innocence, 10 runs of titania, and a dozen runs of eden normal. Pentamelding it with your hunt train materia also makes it substantially better than the blue 450 gear from said ex primals and normal raids.
Landon Rogers
what happens in a month when streamers abandon classic? will people keep playing?
They added fraud protection measures today to the steam version to combat against RMT. They actually warned players about this days/weeks/months in advance on the website and launcher.
Brandon Brown
You don't.
There's no end game to gear up for.
Jason Garcia
Miniparse just gives me a small parse window without the many tabs, do I have to run FFXIV fullscreen windowed? On pure fullscreen I only have the game shown obviously
Camden Walker
POTATOES ARE FOR MASHING
Carson Sullivan
>never interacting with them once This has been the case with all MMOs since WoW though. It was WoW which started this trend because you can just solo the fucking things, which is easier for most than the forced-socializing that XI/EQ1 mandated.
David Sanchez
/rape
Nolan Young
the "i only played the lvl35 trial and know fuckall" post
Liam Hernandez
better than collecting this bear ass with 1.2% drop rate
Charles Jackson
Post your character?
Angel Thomas
No they aren't Last I checked a few days ago they were like 200k on crystal and you can just world visit to find the cheapest. Aether/Gilgamesh typically has even lower prices. My friends power levelled to 70 shortly before Shadowbringers and they were able to scrounge up gil to get almost all crafted gear and jump into some epic echo raiding. Gear was more expensive back then too, closer to your 500k number.
Oliver Peterson
They also lied saying Steam demanded this change. When Steam got asked directly, they said they had no idea what SE was talking about.
FF is a game for tranny c*mbrains that can't sate their lust with anime alone
Noah Perry
Good luck out there in your paranoid conspiracy world. Let us know if you ever manage to enter the next ultimate.
Asher Campbell
Window mode or borderless window are what you're supposed to use.
ACT default miniparse is barebones. If you want more options then get a overlay plugin.
Jordan Peterson
Can't even blame em, RMT fags get those keys by stealing credit cards anyway.
Michael Rodriguez
I don't feel comfortable playing a console game on PC. Just feels wrong.
Cooper Lopez
Yeah it is dumb, not sure why they decided this needed to happen, but that's how it goes. I would try to give the "-issteam" command a try and see if that fixes it.
Agree with this user. Still play the game and all that but it is a big turn off that every map, zone, city is a fucking closed box full of invisible walls.
Kayden Myers
yeah but it has NO CONTENT problems and no good pvp or world pvp, with very little reason to go out in the world because everything is queue teleport into stuff.
Its alright at first, but then the shine wears off and it's always the same. Very little to do. No point to dungeons beyond expert roulette to get your tomes if you need those, and very little on the raiding scene because its just 4 bosses in their boss rooms that you teleport to.
Easton Hughes
They make up .5% of the population. Why is this such an issues to you lol?
Aaron Perez
Lala cunny
Jacob Campbell
You forgot the game consistently getting easier and simplified in class and raid design. (Except for that 1 really long one that one shots you a lot)
Jose Green
Not at all, not until the endgame. Only Haurchefant, but he's a total bro.
SE never said Steam demanded it. They're just tighting up against refund fraud due to chinks abusing steam refunds.
>Buy FFXIV on steam >launch the game without steam >playtime count never goes up on steam >do all your botting and ilicit activities >request a refund from steam and they accept it because steam sees you only played for a few minutes
Adam Myers
You! Let's fuck.
Brandon Ortiz
But neither game is fun But shitting on people and making them piss their pants and cry on a mongolian dancing image board is. so instead of doing something with my life I'm trying to get people pissy about video games they don't play because that fuels my e-penis instead of being on-topic. Video games.
Ryder Watson
They did though, newfriend. They edited out the part saying Steam's "new policies" were the cause.
Ayden Rodriguez
>what the fuck, the steam version requires steam? >This is fucking stupid. why did I even resub.
honestly i wish anybody responsible for XIV gameplay design would go play vanilla now that it's available again, some aspects of it are actually good like seamless zones and overworld mobs with skills besides an orange aoe that takes 50 years to cast
David Hernandez
Higher odds of a Moogle race that recycles Lalafell's skeleton than another animal-head-on-Hyur-body race.
John Wilson
lots of time to falseflag while waiting in line i guess
Some mobs do have skills. They even buff eachother and some group of mobs actually heal so you have to focus the healing one first. As for seamless zones...I don't think that'd be possible without remaking the engine or something, they can't just slap the decision in, sadly.
FFXIV is pretty bad too to be fair. Tab target MMOs can only be so engaging. They should take a few pages from FFXI's book and add actual combos people can do with each other rather than every player's combat being so isolated from the group.
Thomas Kelly
Thats just there for show. People on the Steam forums have gotten refunds for this game before.
Adam Green
Didn’t the edgy normalfags get tired of this meme?
Connor Price
The two games literally play the exact same, with some differences in recast timers.
Noah Scott
cross dressing freak.
Jordan Hernandez
But the steam refund policies ARE the cause, and it doesn’t say Valve demanded it
Matthew Lopez
>They added fraud protection measures today to the steam version You realize their "fraud protection measures" amount to this? Steam passes no DRM data to the launcher, it's the equivalent of naming your porn folder "school assignments".
>playing an MMO balanced around consoles yeah no also it has p2w elements
James Collins
I ahve no clue where people got the idea that the story is good in this game. I just reached shadowbringers and the story varies between terrible and competent but incredibly boring. Yes even heavensward.
Christopher Phillips
better than paycuck who pay 15 buck for a 15 years old game with no content
Jonathan Morgan
Because it's an MMO not a single player RPG.
David Cox
It's now much harder to get a refund for this game on Steam now than it was before. That's part of the fraud protection.
Adrian Baker
What a great lalafell. Kinda looks like he wants to liberate Ala Mhigo or something
if you think this "combat" is the same as FFXIV you are mentally retarded
Kevin Ward
FFXIV is a 10 year old game with no content.
Oliver Cruz
Puke inducing shaders.
Caleb Sanders
why does playing as a girl in MMOs turn people into trannies now? I don't remember that being the case in WoW, in fact a lot of female night elves were normal dudes with wives and kids in my experience
You have to understand that the game is played mostly by weebs whose narrative standards are much lower than your average video game consumer.
Nicholas Parker
>playing a bunch of kusoge for thousands of hours so you can get a few pennies on the steam market
Jason Kelly
>it has p2w elements it doesn't, and it's not balanced around consoles there are mechanics that need you to instantly turn around sometimes, for example. It's got good controller support and that's all
The post originally started with: >In order to align closely with Steam policies, we plan to implement a restricted login check process for Steam service account users. they then changed it to: >As part of our fraud prevention measures, we plan to implement a restricted login check process for Steam service account users. Also when asked Steam directly, they replied with pic related. Here's a post bringing up the change too: forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/384982-PETITION-Regarding-FINAL-FANTASY-XIV-Steam-Version-(Mar.-8)?p=4930312&viewfull=1#post4930312
No you never use Titan Maybe you could if shit is really hitting the fan
Colton Walker
What a QT3.14
James Green
When I played wow, the boys played men, and there were a few freak exceptions or early teenagers who played girls. Of course they probably turned into trannies at some point.
Nolan Wright
>Choose target >Press button >Execute action bound to button >Wait for global cooldown >If target is still alive, skip first step but repeat all the others
The two games play the exact same, you mong.
Nathaniel Green
See: They removed the part saying Steam's policy was the cause.
Cameron Morales
It doesn't, that's still the case
Jason Sanders
At least the 14 story is geared around that. I can't fathom how people would handle it if you were just a random mook.
Benjamin Mitchell
At that point they'd just make lilties. Burmecians are a good pick simply because you can mostly reuse Qiqurn assets.
Nolan Rivera
An MMO lets other players exist in the same screen as I do, nowhere in its description does it say my performance is tied to them and your jump rope routine has an extra element of cradling another person's balls. I can always play an assfaggot for that.
stop trying to make your shitty tank job look harder or more important than it really is
Jacob Miller
>Break everything to it basic form >I-its just the same guise
lmao fuck off
Jaxson White
Cope.
Thomas Wright
>have to pay a monthly fee for retainers yeah that's p2w. I was a crafter and literally didn't have enough room/sell spots to sell my shit. That's P2w
Nicholas Ramirez
Okay, facebook games are MMOs then.
Jayden Green
The sake way I ignore the idea that my character is some big dick important fuck: having an imagination.
I'm not the WoL, my player is just a stand in. My character isn't the Azure Dragoon or the new Black Mage either.
Oliver Cooper
You can buy a mount from the cash shop to give you increased mount speed.
Isaac Morris
lmao keep telling yourself that no wonder classicucks are the laughing stocks in their own game
James Howard
Nowhere in my post did I claim that western video games have better stories. Videogames as a whole suck shit through a straw when it comes to narrative elements. It just happens that the nips are the absolute worst at it.
Logan Wood
>have to make different characters for classes >horde vs alliance only makes it frustrating to play with friends >the gcd is shorter, but 14’s rotations are infinitely more interesting and engaging >the art style is ass >the community is infinitely worse >nearly all shitters in 14 were just wowfugees, as shown as all shitters leaving to play classic
That said im happy classic is here. The baddies can finally leave.
Brayden Garcia
technically, some are.
Elijah Fisher
I've got 4 DoH jobs & Miner and Weaver lvled up to 70 and never had to pay to sell my shit, are you retarded?
Jaxson Fisher
My honest advice is to play red and black mage because summoner design is totally fucked up. Otherwise it's probably just all practice. Keep practicing not fucking up and delaying important parts of the loop.
William Edwards
>patch 5.09 >only change is "fixes steam shortcut trick"
xiv is unironically the worst mmo there is. Worse than eso, gw2, black desert and even retail wow
John Perez
The neanderthals who like to self-insert into any game/book/movie as power fantasies also tend to have very low IQ. These literal tards learn to operate web browers but are incapable of comprehending that higher-IQ'd players, who are content with their lives, will often make a female character because they find it to be more pleasing to look at. The neanderthals then go on message boards and start typing away.
Charles Mitchell
im not clicking that asmon nice try
Colton Morris
nah
Josiah Long
Yeah, you are retarded. You had almost nothing leveled up you don't know what you are even talking about
Everything that actually sells. You literally don't have enough slots, and then there isn't enough room to keep all your shit stored.
>To craft at any competitive level you need a bunch of additional retainers >not p2w
now that black rose has basically been stopped and the emperor slain by our mad lad Zenos, what direction will the story be taking with the Garlean Empire?
>they cut out best bro Ilberd for this pic what faggots
Ayden Lopez
WoW classic unironically has more end game raids than FFXIV.
Parker Evans
>i'm wrong so I'm just gonna act like a tard xdd Imagine shilling for a game that hard. You can still like it even if it is p2w bub
Gabriel James
Then you'll just be able to launch it normally as before.
Grayson Long
>console mmo just proving me right have a yikes
Hunter Stewart
Did you even read that post? Read it again. Actually let it sink in and understand it. It does not say in any way that Valve “demanded” the change. They probably changed the wording because speedreaders thought it said “valve done did it we dindunuffin”
Owen Powell
I've played enough ESO and BDO to know that to be factually incorrect.
Adrian Phillips
keep laughing while the other user literally has an infinite vacuum of gold
Jose Murphy
there's only onyxia which is the equivalent of a primal boss fight and molten core which is 80% trash mobs and 20% bosses
Matthew Butler
FFXIV raids also have no flavor. It's literally queue up and you are teleported to a boss kill it and you are teleported out
Carson Nguyen
"competitive" doesn't mean you're headshotting people in tournaments retard
Benjamin Russell
You are a literal retard.
Zachary Murphy
This meme is relevant as ever but needs updated. Also hardcast raise the dead dps you dumb shits. Your sick glares are worthless compared to a real dps even with double weakness.
im sorry a game with more than 3 buttons rotation is too hard for you gramp
Brayden Johnson
I fucking hate the way they're taking healers for DPS and the mentality it created on healers. I think that healers SHOULD DPS but giving tools for players to spend LESS time healing is fucking retarded. Give us less oGCD heals and more oGCD damage skills instead, or make or heals do some damage so people don't have to stop healing to damage shit.
Daniel Peterson
It will work like it does now if you don't have the command in. won't boot unless started through steam.
Benjamin King
if you're a cutscene skipping wowfugee that prefers marching through the "flavor" every single attempt, then yeah
Zachary Allen
mhmm yes trash mobs are so fun in wow and not a way to timegate you or waste your sub time
Julian Ortiz
>here watch this cutscene instead of experiencing the content organically with nice raid design we made might as well watch a fucking movie
Oliver Russell
How exactly do you win at the game by making mad bank? You can buy crafted stuff and pentameld all you want, but someone who goes into savages with normal mode gear can clear them just fine. Or do you count a quicker clear (assuming those extra stats are not wasted on sub-optimal play) as "winning"?
Christian Kelly
Show me the proof Steam communicates anything to the launcher but this flag that wasn't there before.
Joseph Ramirez
>bunch of tiny lights arranged in a grid >press button >some of the lights change color
LITERALLY ALL VIDEO GAMES ARE LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME THING. LITERALLY LMAO
Bentley Thompson
Yeah they should just make healers completely uninteresting for no reason. In your system there would be no space at all for any damage optimization. The ceiling would be on the floor.
Carson Jones
uhhh I'd rather get straight to the bossfight than have to sludge through trash mobs with shitty, boring ambient music in the background
And don't get me wrong, I raided vanilla wow as a priest and I can appreciate that you need to spend more time there but it's boring as fuck, I quit after BWL
Anything that offers an advantage over other people by paying money is pay to win
How hard is that to understand?
Dylan Walker
aoe pulls are essentially a movie.
Luis Howard
>Self inserters are the ones making male characters idiot.
Were my sentences so long that your brain ended up short-fusing before you could understand that was exactly what I was saying?
Jason Cooper
The raids that are from old expansions are literally not relevant. I don't know why you would even include them
Brody Ramirez
>FFXIV end game is presently 4 bosses.
Wow!
Hudson Johnson
You're not clearing the fourth fight with a party in entirely normal mode gear, even if your players are very good. A majority of your gear being pentamelded is required until you can get carried with drops.
Cooper Cook
>pull as tank >buff up >healer too busy DPsing instead of healing >dies what the fuck happened? why are healers unable to heal anymore?
>killing recycled trashes over and over again is immersive
Wow!
Jackson Brooks
Positioning exists in every fucking game where enemies do something other than attack a single target and combos are literally simon says that the game spells out for you, you fucking troglodyte.
In fact, it could be argued that the combo system just shoehorns a rigid rotation for you, no thought necessary.
Hudson Johnson
By that definition then all online games are pay to win because you can pay for accounts, items, or boosting services from various websites even if the game has no cash shop.
Chase Edwards
You literally don't. Between your saddlebag, your inventory and their inventory you've got like 700 item slots.
Michael Morris
Oh yeah sorry it was hard to understand your massive run on sentence
Owen Smith
>literally didn't have enough room/sell spots to sell my shit
You’re doing it cataclysmically wrong then
Bentley Stewart
>old expansions not relevant just like classic?
Caleb Price
>20 sell slots is enough for a full time crafter
Landon Price
use your cooldowns idiot. Healers are meant to dps and occasionally press an ogcd heal. That's how healers are "interesting" now.
Zachary Ortiz
>Healers >Damage optimization The way they're doing bosses you can literally throw your oGCD's every once in a while and just mash your damage skill because the fights are way too lenient on parties that aren't topped off. The only healer that actually has any semblance of optimization right now is AST.
Isaac Powell
They can still attain the drops when clearing the three preceding fights weekly, so all you are really saving by pentamelding crafted gear is time. It's not so much pay to win as it is pay for convenience.
Christian Gonzalez
Endgame officially starts once you beat ARR and see the credits. There's a shit ton of raids after those credits.
Cameron Phillips
If the best counter you have to a game re-release from 15 year old game having more end game content is "At least we don't kill trash mobs" then I think you've already lost. There's no reason a developer as big as Square Enix should release an expansion so lacking in content.
Parker Cooper
lmao to do maximum dam as melee DPS in FFXIV you need to execute in the right position
not like in wow where retard like you just slam their head on the keyboard and call it a day