What’s the point of physical media anymore?

The common argument is “offline backup” but it wasn’t until I got a PS4 that I discovered the data on the CD is copied to the HDD and it is then played from there. If a publisher wanted to disallow anyone from playing a game, what’s stopping them from convincing Sony to release an update that bars you from playing the installed game? It could be like

>to play this game, please update to the latest firmware
>we apologise, Tencent has recalled this software and it’s no longer functional on this firmware, please refer to our terms and conditions.

It could be exactly like “licence to use” now instead of you “owning” the game to play. I love physical media but it’s not like the PS2 where Sony literally can’t stop me from playing a game I bought by updating the PS2’s bios

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in the end, the pirate always wins.

Pressed optical media is more durable than hard drives.
>what’s stopping them from convincing Sony to release an update that bars you from playing the installed game?
They could do that but has it ever happened with vidya?

>What’s the point of physical media anymore?

You Own It

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Paying for physical media is saying “I wish to own this item”. Paying for digital is saying “I wish to borrow this item but for the same price as the gentlemen who is owning his”. It’s not a hard concept to grasp and anyone who supports digital is asking for companies to have more control over the consumers purchase. Fuck that.

Why would you want to run a game from disc? That's retarded when hard drive speeds are faster than Blu-ray speeds.

The PS4 literally can’t play games off a blu ray. It copies it to the HDD and then plays it

You can play it without access to the internet.
You can sell it.
You can lend it to your friends, but they better not fuck it up, these motherfuckers.
You can store it for extended periods of time.
You can make illegals backup of it.

Just have every installer pirated and saved in a external 1t HD
fuck is not even that difficult

A good half of the game code is on the Day 1 patch. Physical is literally worthless.

hey bro that's delusion. the physical copy was and is nothing more than a license to play the game. you never owned any games. digital distribution changes nothing.

Anyways im gonna go play Scott pilgr-

Ohhhh

shut the fuck up industry plant

Do you want to be able to play a game you paid 60 bucks for whenever you wish or do you want someones permission+internet connectivity involved?

that's shill talk. don't you have a twitter account to be running?

OH NO, INTERNET IS GONE FOREVER! NO MORE DIGITAL ANYTHING!

OH, IM GLAD WE KEPT PHYSICA-------
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WE BROKE ALL THE DISCS!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!

even THEN assholes, most games were stupid shits that really REALLY wanted you to DL an update before even playing a game.

MK11 i don't think even works on switch without an 11GB update.

Then why do some games still have crippling load times? TW III has 60 second load screens to respawn after you die. Not to mention 30 second load times for fast travel. I swear to God I must have spend 10 hours just looking at load screens for that game.

>Paid shill starts anti physical psyop thread
>Thread goes anti digital
>Paid shill goes into damage control

Everyday on Yea Forums

ITT idiots who think digital means DRM and physical means DRM free.

Anyways I'm gonna go play my physical copy of Darkspo-

Ohhhh

Digital media is far more untrustworthy, you can't even play stuff like Scott Pilgrim vs the World anymore if you didn't already have it

>If this ever happens I'm just flying the black flag
Consolecucks usually can't do that.

I get physical games from my dealer cheaper than retail price, so physical is the way to go for me.

>buy physical copies
>30 years from now the update servers are shut down
>put disc in machine
>get to play a 5gb alpha version of a 50gb game because i can't download the rest of the game or patches

First-sale doctrine, faggot.

This retarded logic applies to everything. You don't own the intellectual property of a book you physically own a copy of, you don't own the trademarked name of the microwave you use to heat up your hot pockets, you don't own the script to a movie that you might own a physical copy of. How feeble is the position of digital only fags when they have to descend into absurdity to defend their views.

none of your examples there are absurd at all they're fact

You have to descend into absurdity because this absurdity is the law whether you like it or not.

>get to play a 5gb alpha version of a 50gb game

Other way around, games are usually around 50gb with a 5gig patch, why the blatant lies?, is it because the digital only/non ownership agenda is collapsing??

Who the fuck would even want to play the shit that came out the last 10 years in 30 years?

The uncomfortable truth

I have several games on disk that no one can buy anymore and no downloads exist. Maybe have to use an old xp machine to run them but that's just how it is.

also applies to digital downloads according to an EU ruling from 2012

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

But I still own the book, the microwave and the movie and can sell them off when I no longer have a use for them. Enjoy having wasted a shit load of money on renting impermanent licenses.

How else are you going to show how much of a NERD you are if you dont have thousands of disc cases in a shelf?

>Can go out and buy a new PS4 and everyone of my disc games will work without a single patch

>Digital game owners have to hope for the best year after year that a server doesn't go down or else they lose everything and will never get it back

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Digital distrubution ruined the industry with DLCs and day one/two/three/+infinity patches letting developers release uncompleted games. Anyone paying for digital should be gassed.

>What’s the point of physical media anymore?
To OWN and keep access to the data, when the ''cloud'' shuts down.
There's already many games that may only be experienced via used copies / emulation.
Discs are also resistant to electric surges and such.

The issue you're describing has nothing to do with digital distribution.

in most countries you are very much allowed to make backups. reverse engineering is not illegal either. and at the end of the day the law only starts to matter when it's enforced. there isn't a law shield surrounding you that will keep you from being stabbed in a knife fight because it's illegal to do so.whatever they pay you is far too much for a man with arguments as shit as yours.

so your only argument is the absurd doomsaying "b-b-b-but steam and psn and estore and etc are gonna shut down just u wait!"

if you wanna talk about ownership the only objective way to do so is talking about legal ownership. i don't care about your feelings.

>Digital game owners have to hope for the best year after year that a server doesn't go down

You're forgetting people getting accused by sony, microsoft of "hate speech" and losing everything that way

How do sony think they'll get away with that shit and not cause a collapse in digital sales??

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worst part is when a game server goes down

devs should just GIVE us the fucking code for it so we can keep playing online.

Yeah man, you're right. Physical media is worthless. Let me go purchase JoJo HD, MvC Origins, MvC2 HD, Transformers: Devastation, X-Men Arcade, Simpsons Arcade, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, Gradius ReBirth, Castlevania ReBirth, Contra ReBirth, Doc Louis' Punch Out, OutRun Online, After Burner Climax, and P.T. right now since all of these games are available digitally right now!

Oh wait, I fucking can't you retard!

Not in America.
>The question is whether the first-sale doctrine should be retooled to reflect the realities of the digital age. Physical copies degrade over time, whereas digital information may not. Works in digital format can be reproduced without any flaws and can be disseminated worldwide without much difficulty. Thus, applying the first sale doctrine to digital copies affects the market for the original to a greater degree than transfers of physical copies. The U.S. Copyright Office stated that "[t]he tangible nature of a copy is a defining element of the first sale doctrine and critical to its rationale."

Because gamers are natural cucks.

Sounds like a problem with consoles not digital distribution.

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That doesn't matter because in practice I do own it and they can't take it away unlike digital stuff. And I can make backup copies for myself in most cases.

>physical disc and hardware wont last forever
>downloads have DRM and disappear someday
The only way to actually own the games is to emulate them

>buy game online
>download all files onto a disk
>buy game at store
>bring home a disk with all the files on it
whats the fucking difference you spergs, either way I have a disk with all the files on it

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Just pirate it.

Most Microsoft Windows games don't need emulation, for the most part.

>games never ever get delisted from Steam

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So, you're admitting digital distribution is not perfect. Both are necessary, dense retard.

this

Disconnect the hard-line to the modem, block the system at router level for wireless, sue the company into oblivion if they try to make the system require online to play non-online titles.

Digital distribution is just fine. All of the issues physicalfags describe have to do with DRM.

Just because games are delisted, doesn't stop people who owned them from reinstalling and playing them yet again. Can't be said for other systems and formats though.

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>argument

lmao, there is no "argument." You cannot stop me.

>hurr durr just pirate

the point is that i can sell that shit back when i'm done with it you corporate dog

I'm going to keep buying them until I can't physically buy them anymore fuck off

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Good luck with corporations selling uncompressed shit and day-1 patches.

okay, retard

Not necessarily. DRM-free games distributed digitally are a thing. Piracy is just a last resort measure in case a game does otherwise become unavailable.

And it would be nice to have a legal way to buy them. But for some reason, people having physical copies triggers you to no end.

Nobody reads terms of service until they're in a court.

Please come revoke my physical copy of Persona 5 for PS4, i will wait.

The ownership/digital rights issue isn't a real concern for me at the moment. Maybe I'll eat those words in 10 years. I buy physical for new console games because they usually maintain enough resell value to make them worth ebaying when I'm done. Older/cheaper games that wouldn't have resale value anyway are OK to buy digitally.

It's understandable that you can't resell digital games. Nobody would buy them new if you could. It does make me vaguely uncomfortable that they could remove my access to them at any time.

Then explain why I still own and possess every physical game I bought for PS1 through PS4 from the past 23 years of my life.
Literally the only way the games can be taken away from me is if they require online access to even function and boot up.

No it doesn't. I am just shitting on consoles because it's actually possible for digital games to become completely unavailable on them. With the option of piracy on PC that's almost impossible.

come and uninstall a game from my computer

>it doesn't matter to me that you can never legally own this game because I already have my copy of this delisted game
Ah, so I am arguing with a complete retard. No need to waste my time any further then.

>the data on the CD is copied to the HDD and it is then played from there
Bullshit. Those discs are dozens of gigabytes in size. If all the data was copied from the disc, it would fill the PS4 really quickly, like after ten games played.
I'm going to need to see some evidence for these claims.

I don't have to when all I need to do is send a command to a remote server to erase your entire account.

*autoupdates*

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>With the option of piracy on PC that's almost impossible.
You need to rely on piracy to say that digital distribution is the best?

I don't need to log in to any remote server to use what's already installed. I could get banned from PSN and all the content on my consoles will still work indefinitely.

The only way to truly physically own games is to have the files on a storage device

You only need to rely on piracy with shitty digital distribution services that employ DRM. As I have mentioned before DRM-free is an option so this issue is not one tied to digital distribution itself but to DRM.

Why would we be talking about Physical at all if this isn't a console thread you retard

With games with physical editions, you never will have to rely on piracy, braindead faggot.
>As I have mentioned before DRM-free is an option so this issue is not one tied to digital distribution itself but to DRM.
The biggest store in PC gaming has Steamworks on their titles by default and even then they will never tell you which ones are DRM-free and which aren't.

It isn't true. Most games copy parts from the disk to HDD to speed up loads, but far from everything.
It's one of the reasons playing a game from disk increases load times a lot.

>*PS4 HDD dies

I get what you're saying but even on shit like steam all the game files are stored locally. If big bad mean govt boogyman told valve to fuck off you'd be able to crack the steam shit and just run the .exe within the hour. Hell, some games don't even require you to have steam, i copied duskers from the install folder onto my mates PC (who is steamless) and he could play it.
Only these newfangled streamable games would be troubled by that and those tens to be shitter crap that you shouldn't touch in the first place.

You get the CD, you get the CD drive, you're set for a loooong time, you can replay it how you want (if it has offline stuff).
You receive the service, it works as long as THEY want it/ are able to provide it.... One day you might boot the game like the old da- Oh it doesn't work anymore because it got shut down (by them or by accident like their servers dying)...

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>*disc gets scratched
Hardware degradation happens no matter what you do, but at least I can clone a hard drive.

>With games with physical editions, you never will have to rely on piracy
What if a rare game isn't sold anymore and the few people that own it won't sell it? There's plenty of retro games like that and what do people that want to play them do? They pirate and emulate.

>but at least I can clone a hard drive.
You can clone disks too. In fact, it's a thing since always.

>Buy from GOG only
There, no more problems.

Good luck getting AAA games and Japanese games from AA and onwards publishers.

A burned copy of a physical game will not work.

Then pirate, if they don't want my money there's always other options.

If it's not sold in any form there's no reason not to pirate it. The IP owners don't want your money and if you still want to support them mail them a check.

Fair enough.

>If it's not sold in any form
That's the exact issue this discussion started on

Straight up wrong. You must only play always online garbage.

lmao except here is my 20+ year old disc of RE2. Stop being an ape.

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I assume you also have a 20+ year old Playstation that still works, so what's your point?

Real answer: I like discs and boxes I can pull from my shelf and look at. Nobody gives a fuck about memory useage or ownership rights. Its a colorful pretty box with a cool manual and a disc I can use on my system I still kept from my childhood.

>Nobody gives a fuck about memory useage or ownership rights.
Nice projection.

I have a working PS2 and a working PS3, if you cant see my point you're retarded.

>cant lend game
>cant sell game
>cant exchange game
>cant buy cheaper 2nd hand game

Yeah, digital is superior in every way

>Sell game
Haha why are you so poor you have to sell your games? Get a job LOL
>Don't sell game
Fucking hoarder you don't need that plastic OBSESSED, get a life clear some space imagine if a girl came over LOL