The common argument is “offline backup” but it wasn’t until I got a PS4 that I discovered the data on the CD is copied to the HDD and it is then played from there. If a publisher wanted to disallow anyone from playing a game, what’s stopping them from convincing Sony to release an update that bars you from playing the installed game? It could be like
>to play this game, please update to the latest firmware >we apologise, Tencent has recalled this software and it’s no longer functional on this firmware, please refer to our terms and conditions.
It could be exactly like “licence to use” now instead of you “owning” the game to play. I love physical media but it’s not like the PS2 where Sony literally can’t stop me from playing a game I bought by updating the PS2’s bios
Pressed optical media is more durable than hard drives. >what’s stopping them from convincing Sony to release an update that bars you from playing the installed game? They could do that but has it ever happened with vidya?
Paying for physical media is saying “I wish to own this item”. Paying for digital is saying “I wish to borrow this item but for the same price as the gentlemen who is owning his”. It’s not a hard concept to grasp and anyone who supports digital is asking for companies to have more control over the consumers purchase. Fuck that.
Levi Parker
Why would you want to run a game from disc? That's retarded when hard drive speeds are faster than Blu-ray speeds.
Landon Moore
The PS4 literally can’t play games off a blu ray. It copies it to the HDD and then plays it
Logan Nguyen
You can play it without access to the internet. You can sell it. You can lend it to your friends, but they better not fuck it up, these motherfuckers. You can store it for extended periods of time. You can make illegals backup of it.
Easton Davis
Just have every installer pirated and saved in a external 1t HD fuck is not even that difficult
Elijah Gutierrez
A good half of the game code is on the Day 1 patch. Physical is literally worthless.
Colton Wright
hey bro that's delusion. the physical copy was and is nothing more than a license to play the game. you never owned any games. digital distribution changes nothing.
Levi Cox
Anyways im gonna go play Scott pilgr-
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John Powell
shut the fuck up industry plant
Zachary Mitchell
Do you want to be able to play a game you paid 60 bucks for whenever you wish or do you want someones permission+internet connectivity involved?
Ayden Russell
that's shill talk. don't you have a twitter account to be running?
Austin Baker
OH NO, INTERNET IS GONE FOREVER! NO MORE DIGITAL ANYTHING!
OH, IM GLAD WE KEPT PHYSICA------- OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WE BROKE ALL THE DISCS! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!
even THEN assholes, most games were stupid shits that really REALLY wanted you to DL an update before even playing a game.
MK11 i don't think even works on switch without an 11GB update.
Anthony James
Then why do some games still have crippling load times? TW III has 60 second load screens to respawn after you die. Not to mention 30 second load times for fast travel. I swear to God I must have spend 10 hours just looking at load screens for that game.
Chase Taylor
>Paid shill starts anti physical psyop thread >Thread goes anti digital >Paid shill goes into damage control
Everyday on Yea Forums
Henry Perez
ITT idiots who think digital means DRM and physical means DRM free.
Anyways I'm gonna go play my physical copy of Darkspo-
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Bentley Cox
Digital media is far more untrustworthy, you can't even play stuff like Scott Pilgrim vs the World anymore if you didn't already have it
Ryan Green
that's real talk. are you allowed to reverse engineer your physical games? are you allowed to produce copies and sell or give away? are you allowed to produce derivative works of your own? the answer to all these questions is no. you don't own them. stop kidding yourself.
Brody Perez
Oh what? Finish your thought. If you bought the game you can still download it. You just cant buy it. Much like you cant buy a Super Nintendo game at Best buy but your Dong Cunt 2 cartridge can still be played.
THE SAME SHIT
Luis Flores
>"everything on the internet is forever! " >"OH GOD SAD PANDA IS GONE IT'S ALL FUCKING GONE" >"buying a license to a game is literally the same thing as buying it in physical form!" >"THEY BANNED MY STEAM ACCOUNT WITH 2000+ GAMES FOR HACKING IN CS IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR I BOUGHT THEM THEY WERE MINE"
I just bought a 40 year old console and a bunch of games for it. Now I own them eternally, and if I take good care of them I can play them for as long as I'm alive.
Meanwhile all valve, ubisoft, ea or epic has to do is declare bankruptcy and everything retards rent a license for will be gone in the blink of an eye.
Robert Torres
Being able to resell them alone makes physical significantly better
Jaxson Collins
>If this ever happens I'm just flying the black flag Consolecucks usually can't do that.
Thomas Adams
I get physical games from my dealer cheaper than retail price, so physical is the way to go for me.
Leo Richardson
>buy physical copies >30 years from now the update servers are shut down >put disc in machine >get to play a 5gb alpha version of a 50gb game because i can't download the rest of the game or patches
Xavier Smith
First-sale doctrine, faggot.
David Powell
This retarded logic applies to everything. You don't own the intellectual property of a book you physically own a copy of, you don't own the trademarked name of the microwave you use to heat up your hot pockets, you don't own the script to a movie that you might own a physical copy of. How feeble is the position of digital only fags when they have to descend into absurdity to defend their views.
Joshua Sanchez
none of your examples there are absurd at all they're fact
Hunter Martinez
You have to descend into absurdity because this absurdity is the law whether you like it or not.
Liam Sanders
>get to play a 5gb alpha version of a 50gb game
Other way around, games are usually around 50gb with a 5gig patch, why the blatant lies?, is it because the digital only/non ownership agenda is collapsing??
Jonathan Morales
Who the fuck would even want to play the shit that came out the last 10 years in 30 years?
Sebastian King
The uncomfortable truth
I have several games on disk that no one can buy anymore and no downloads exist. Maybe have to use an old xp machine to run them but that's just how it is.
Adrian Thompson
also applies to digital downloads according to an EU ruling from 2012
But I still own the book, the microwave and the movie and can sell them off when I no longer have a use for them. Enjoy having wasted a shit load of money on renting impermanent licenses.
William Stewart
How else are you going to show how much of a NERD you are if you dont have thousands of disc cases in a shelf?
Eli Barnes
>Can go out and buy a new PS4 and everyone of my disc games will work without a single patch
>Digital game owners have to hope for the best year after year that a server doesn't go down or else they lose everything and will never get it back
Digital distrubution ruined the industry with DLCs and day one/two/three/+infinity patches letting developers release uncompleted games. Anyone paying for digital should be gassed.
Carson Morales
>What’s the point of physical media anymore? To OWN and keep access to the data, when the ''cloud'' shuts down. There's already many games that may only be experienced via used copies / emulation. Discs are also resistant to electric surges and such.
Daniel Baker
The issue you're describing has nothing to do with digital distribution.
Grayson Ward
in most countries you are very much allowed to make backups. reverse engineering is not illegal either. and at the end of the day the law only starts to matter when it's enforced. there isn't a law shield surrounding you that will keep you from being stabbed in a knife fight because it's illegal to do so.whatever they pay you is far too much for a man with arguments as shit as yours.
Liam White
so your only argument is the absurd doomsaying "b-b-b-but steam and psn and estore and etc are gonna shut down just u wait!"
Hudson Jackson
if you wanna talk about ownership the only objective way to do so is talking about legal ownership. i don't care about your feelings.
Xavier Miller
>Digital game owners have to hope for the best year after year that a server doesn't go down
You're forgetting people getting accused by sony, microsoft of "hate speech" and losing everything that way
James Fisher
How do sony think they'll get away with that shit and not cause a collapse in digital sales??
devs should just GIVE us the fucking code for it so we can keep playing online.
Adrian Foster
Yeah man, you're right. Physical media is worthless. Let me go purchase JoJo HD, MvC Origins, MvC2 HD, Transformers: Devastation, X-Men Arcade, Simpsons Arcade, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, Gradius ReBirth, Castlevania ReBirth, Contra ReBirth, Doc Louis' Punch Out, OutRun Online, After Burner Climax, and P.T. right now since all of these games are available digitally right now!
Oh wait, I fucking can't you retard!
Christian Mitchell
Not in America. >The question is whether the first-sale doctrine should be retooled to reflect the realities of the digital age. Physical copies degrade over time, whereas digital information may not. Works in digital format can be reproduced without any flaws and can be disseminated worldwide without much difficulty. Thus, applying the first sale doctrine to digital copies affects the market for the original to a greater degree than transfers of physical copies. The U.S. Copyright Office stated that "[t]he tangible nature of a copy is a defining element of the first sale doctrine and critical to its rationale."
Because gamers are natural cucks.
Mason Anderson
Sounds like a problem with consoles not digital distribution.
That doesn't matter because in practice I do own it and they can't take it away unlike digital stuff. And I can make backup copies for myself in most cases.
Mason Rogers
>physical disc and hardware wont last forever >downloads have DRM and disappear someday The only way to actually own the games is to emulate them
Parker Brooks
>buy game online >download all files onto a disk >buy game at store >bring home a disk with all the files on it whats the fucking difference you spergs, either way I have a disk with all the files on it
So, you're admitting digital distribution is not perfect. Both are necessary, dense retard.
Jayden Green
this
Jaxon Long
Disconnect the hard-line to the modem, block the system at router level for wireless, sue the company into oblivion if they try to make the system require online to play non-online titles.
Angel Hall
Digital distribution is just fine. All of the issues physicalfags describe have to do with DRM.
Xavier White
Just because games are delisted, doesn't stop people who owned them from reinstalling and playing them yet again. Can't be said for other systems and formats though.
Good luck with corporations selling uncompressed shit and day-1 patches.
Alexander Long
okay, retard
Hunter Adams
Not necessarily. DRM-free games distributed digitally are a thing. Piracy is just a last resort measure in case a game does otherwise become unavailable.
Luis Cook
And it would be nice to have a legal way to buy them. But for some reason, people having physical copies triggers you to no end.
Luke Adams
Nobody reads terms of service until they're in a court.
Joshua Fisher
Please come revoke my physical copy of Persona 5 for PS4, i will wait.
Benjamin Morgan
The ownership/digital rights issue isn't a real concern for me at the moment. Maybe I'll eat those words in 10 years. I buy physical for new console games because they usually maintain enough resell value to make them worth ebaying when I'm done. Older/cheaper games that wouldn't have resale value anyway are OK to buy digitally.
It's understandable that you can't resell digital games. Nobody would buy them new if you could. It does make me vaguely uncomfortable that they could remove my access to them at any time.
Noah Morgan
Then explain why I still own and possess every physical game I bought for PS1 through PS4 from the past 23 years of my life. Literally the only way the games can be taken away from me is if they require online access to even function and boot up.
Oliver White
No it doesn't. I am just shitting on consoles because it's actually possible for digital games to become completely unavailable on them. With the option of piracy on PC that's almost impossible.
Jacob Sanders
come and uninstall a game from my computer
Jonathan Brown
>it doesn't matter to me that you can never legally own this game because I already have my copy of this delisted game Ah, so I am arguing with a complete retard. No need to waste my time any further then.
Aiden Martinez
>the data on the CD is copied to the HDD and it is then played from there Bullshit. Those discs are dozens of gigabytes in size. If all the data was copied from the disc, it would fill the PS4 really quickly, like after ten games played. I'm going to need to see some evidence for these claims.
Landon Watson
I don't have to when all I need to do is send a command to a remote server to erase your entire account.
>With the option of piracy on PC that's almost impossible. You need to rely on piracy to say that digital distribution is the best?
Landon Parker
I don't need to log in to any remote server to use what's already installed. I could get banned from PSN and all the content on my consoles will still work indefinitely.
Julian Brooks
The only way to truly physically own games is to have the files on a storage device
Luke Perry
You only need to rely on piracy with shitty digital distribution services that employ DRM. As I have mentioned before DRM-free is an option so this issue is not one tied to digital distribution itself but to DRM.
Lucas Morris
Why would we be talking about Physical at all if this isn't a console thread you retard
Caleb Watson
With games with physical editions, you never will have to rely on piracy, braindead faggot. >As I have mentioned before DRM-free is an option so this issue is not one tied to digital distribution itself but to DRM. The biggest store in PC gaming has Steamworks on their titles by default and even then they will never tell you which ones are DRM-free and which aren't.
John Fisher
It isn't true. Most games copy parts from the disk to HDD to speed up loads, but far from everything. It's one of the reasons playing a game from disk increases load times a lot.
Xavier Flores
>*PS4 HDD dies
Isaac Brooks
I get what you're saying but even on shit like steam all the game files are stored locally. If big bad mean govt boogyman told valve to fuck off you'd be able to crack the steam shit and just run the .exe within the hour. Hell, some games don't even require you to have steam, i copied duskers from the install folder onto my mates PC (who is steamless) and he could play it. Only these newfangled streamable games would be troubled by that and those tens to be shitter crap that you shouldn't touch in the first place.
Gavin Bennett
You get the CD, you get the CD drive, you're set for a loooong time, you can replay it how you want (if it has offline stuff). You receive the service, it works as long as THEY want it/ are able to provide it.... One day you might boot the game like the old da- Oh it doesn't work anymore because it got shut down (by them or by accident like their servers dying)...
>*disc gets scratched Hardware degradation happens no matter what you do, but at least I can clone a hard drive.
Alexander Brooks
>With games with physical editions, you never will have to rely on piracy What if a rare game isn't sold anymore and the few people that own it won't sell it? There's plenty of retro games like that and what do people that want to play them do? They pirate and emulate.
Daniel Murphy
>but at least I can clone a hard drive. You can clone disks too. In fact, it's a thing since always.
Zachary Walker
>Buy from GOG only There, no more problems.
Landon Robinson
Good luck getting AAA games and Japanese games from AA and onwards publishers.
Juan Miller
A burned copy of a physical game will not work.
Thomas Taylor
Then pirate, if they don't want my money there's always other options.
Adam Rivera
If it's not sold in any form there's no reason not to pirate it. The IP owners don't want your money and if you still want to support them mail them a check.
Landon Anderson
Fair enough.
Aiden Nelson
>If it's not sold in any form That's the exact issue this discussion started on
Owen James
Straight up wrong. You must only play always online garbage.
Henry Johnson
lmao except here is my 20+ year old disc of RE2. Stop being an ape.
I assume you also have a 20+ year old Playstation that still works, so what's your point?
Sebastian Barnes
Real answer: I like discs and boxes I can pull from my shelf and look at. Nobody gives a fuck about memory useage or ownership rights. Its a colorful pretty box with a cool manual and a disc I can use on my system I still kept from my childhood.
Daniel Bell
>Nobody gives a fuck about memory useage or ownership rights. Nice projection.
Julian Collins
I have a working PS2 and a working PS3, if you cant see my point you're retarded.
Logan Turner
>cant lend game >cant sell game >cant exchange game >cant buy cheaper 2nd hand game
Yeah, digital is superior in every way
Sebastian Russell
>Sell game Haha why are you so poor you have to sell your games? Get a job LOL >Don't sell game Fucking hoarder you don't need that plastic OBSESSED, get a life clear some space imagine if a girl came over LOL
