Is 2D HD animation the most aesthetically pleasing style over AAA graphics, memepoly and pixel garbage?

This is the best animated thing since Disney stopped doing 2D

Is this that /g/ guy?

No doubt if Frozen was a traditionally animated film it would have been a flop

On one hand, this looks good on its own, but on the other hand you would have to draw more tweens for a 30 fps game, and even more in 60 fps, just so it doesn't look jank af while the character is moving. See Sundered; stationary things look good, but when they're moving smoothly interpolated at the game's frame rate then the 10 fps animations look weird.

youtube.com/watch?v=Fk00d7gLruU

Just watch the midair melee swings on the main character, which is about 90% of what you do in this game.

of course it is.

pixel is not automatically bad. it can be done well or done like shit just like the other methods. yea its easier, but that doesn't make it bad
Honestly, my favorite style is 3d with lower than average poly count. classic shit from the ps1 and n64 days or phantasy star online/sonic adventure 2 at the latest
stuff that looks like megaman legends is god tier, but it doesn't have to specifically be anime like MML was

I really like the look of "mid-poly" AA games. Stuff like Nier: Automata and Life is Strange. Games that look reasonably good, but not hyperrealistic.

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get this chink trash out of the video games thread

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Retard

This is very obviously rotoscoped

rotoscoped you mean.

asian dancing is the equivalent of when people dont know what to do with their hands and just end up looking horribly awkward

>numale Yea Forums complains about rotorscoping
>Woah lookie at this anime XD so animated hehehehe

Why is mocap seen as an amazing advancement that is integral to a good decent cinematic experience in video games but rotoscoping is seen as an evil that must be stopped?

>Dancing without drugs and alcohol

Yeah, the nips never stood a chance.

HEY BABY GURL

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Bout how much money do you think it’s take to fund an 80 min, hand drawn, 2D, porno movie? Couple million?

>all those resources wasted on bug eyed shit

fuck this earth

>those thigh highs digging into the tender flesh of the thigh
>not hyper realistic

COPE
youtube.com/watch?v=NerIh-REWZ0

this is some cringe shit dude

>Keyframes mean it isn't rotoscoped
NO PLEASE, GOD, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, NO ONE CAN BE THIS RETARDED, LORD HAVE MERCY

2D HD Graphics really make eyes smile. I played many games with that (dust, shank, shantae high, Jotun).

Also Nintendo made wario land shake it with that artstyle and man, I wish they will release another warioland games with that artstyle.

It's the same stigma that goes along with tracing.
Personally I find both to be pretty stale looking.

It's been so long that I've seen some nicely animated keyframed stuff. I played through Jak and Daxter again recently and was super impressed by the animations. Shit holds up well even today.

I think the real thing is that mocapped animation and rotoscoped animation lack a lot of the appeal that you get from hand made animation.Handmade is all about recreating what the brain EXPECTS, rather than what is really supposed to be happening.

So I think to bridge that gap, mocap actors should probably exaggerate more and try and bring the 12 principles into their performance, or that sort of thing should be incorporated on the animator's side. It could be argued that it's not super realistic and they're going for a realistic performance, but even shit like Halo 3 was keyframed and hand done. It all depends on how involved you want it to look. And at this point, companies don't want any involvement because it costs extra.

Underage

It depends. I'd like to see something like Metal Slug be done in a non-pixel style for sure, but most games feel a bit uncanny when the 2D stuff get's too high fidelity, less control over every detail I guess. Kind of why flash games can have really good art but still look a bit fucked during gameplay.

That not really what you meant isnt it?! You cant be this fucking imbecile

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Anybody know of games that have 2D animation in it other than Skullgirls, Cuphead, or Indivisable?

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>mocap: uses basic motion captured animation as a base, requires creativity to polish and adjust posing to make it more aesthetically pleasing

>rotoscoping: soullessly tracing poses from a video, no creativity or talent required

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Imagine hiring an acclaimed Disney animator to draw a fat kid hugging himself

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most of the time the sketches were done free hand and off model, I imagine they hired him for these kinda one off occasions

so that explains why that shot was so well animated compared to everything else in that garbage heap

I honestly think it looks terrible and whenever it's used is usually in point and click shit where you're just pressing play on an animation then loading the next.

Nigga, off-model doesnt even cover it
They've said in interviews that reference charts are guidelines that can be ignored because muh multiple artists

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To be fair, they don't even understand how perspective works.

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Post the whole webm

Every time I see good animation I'm reminded I don't know shit about animating

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They sure don't make em like they used to, do they?

this. they have technology and smarts in their blood, but they can't dance worth shit
neither can I kek but I can tell what is and isn't good dancing, and that ain't it

Not even close.

hollow knight, hello?

Yes.

>Yea Forums has gotten so bad that they're escaping to Yea Forums for animation dumps

Gentlemen, behold the pinacle of Western animation
youtube.com/watch?v=G93bj1HARA4

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imagine your favorite video game from the 2000 era remaked in 2d hand drawn animation

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No. Any artstyle can be appealing to one person or another and done in an extremely well or in a generic/poor/bad way.

>big companies will never want to do anything this gorgeous again because of the cost despite having all the money

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Wario Land: Shake It

It's probably worse than that.
Not only is probably not cost efficient, it might be profit detrimental.
Because people are idiots and think 2D is played out.

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I wish I was that chair.

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lol no
youtube.com/watch?v=4N5XQI8EDDw

Why does he even have a line in his bicep anyway? That's not how anatomy works.
Unless it's a scar.

because you're too lazy to look at the right places

>Battleborn

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I've looked user.
But please, tell me the animus that have superior animation.

What's wrong with rotoscoping? Is a 3D animation lesser if it used motion capture?

>admittedly fantastic animation talent
>but it's fucking cringe ass pandering moeshit weeb garbage
Can Japanese people go a day without obsessing over little anime girls god fucking damn i hate modern anime. Imagine all the cool animation we would get if it wasn't for this gay ass otaku culture

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yes
2D animation is the greatest

...

yes it is?
you ever saw those dragon age scenes man?
that is captured

>rotoscoped MMD
OH NONONONON HAHAHAHAHA

hollow knight, wario land shake it, wonder boy remake. Theres some more

I will never prefer sprites and 2D hand-drawn over 3D models. It just doesn't feel smooth. I need the 60fps movement on the models themselves.

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You guys DO know that Batman TAS was made in Japan, right? The worse looking episodes were made on Korea though. A famous japanese director did that clayface scene, name escapes my tongue right now.

Almost every single 80's-90's-00's "cartoon" "made" on the US was animated in Asia.

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SO FUCKING GOOD HOLY SHIT
Boomers >>>>> Zoomers

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> underage fags that dont realize that every successful 2d animated movie was rotoscoped

>A famous japanese director did that clayface scene
Shit looks straight out of Akira so I'm not surprised.

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rotoscoping and reference videos are different you know right?

Yeah but even Disney could make good shit back in the day. Now everything's either 3D or looks like shit.

What's this animation thread doing on Yea Forums?

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>new Battletoads gets teased
>Rash gets in Killer Instincts, looks amazing
>everyone's looking forward to their new beautiful gritty high-def battletoads
>get this shit instead
3D can definitely trump 2D in some places.
2D purists just need to stop being stubborn and broaden their horizons and educate themselves.

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The Japanese studio that made Big O worked on a lot of BTAS episodes. I've never seen Big O, but apparently there are a lot of similarites in the animation.

...is Big O good?

What said
Example of referencing: Alice in Wonderland
Example of excessive rotoscoping: Anastasia

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If you think Milt Kahl's work is rotoscoped, you might be the biggest retard who ever lived.

>everything rotoscoped is bad so I must mock it
Most rotoscoping stuff looks bad, but srsly, this one looks really good. Its a good example of how you can use rotoscope as a base, then fix awkward movements and combine it with traditional

this man gets it

I disagree completely, tons of absolutely normal people hate Disney's shift to 3d

Pretty much all 3d character animation, especially anything humanoidish, starts with motion captured base, its too much work to animate all the subtle movements and limb rotations that make it feel "real" from scratch.

>3D is ba-
youtube.com/watch?v=hjr3a9_WlPU

You are right, but Rotoscoping isn't always a bad thing when used tastefully. A good example is Ping Pong the animation, though it's only used very sparingly.

Big O is great.

I wouldnt really call this 'good'
It's really spastic and I like it a lot, but it's fundementally weak
The animations really choppy and none of the actions flow into one another. Maybe thats the style they were going for but I think it could be done alot better

I JUST WANT BERSERK ANIMATION THAT LOOKS GOOD
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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That's not Rotoscoping, though. A good example of Rotoscoping is the P4DAN opening.
youtu.be/ddXM6HX1PgU

Why is animating on 1s so dead now?
I know that it's obviously more time consuming but just about everything today is on 3s or 4s.

i miss decent hand drawn stuff

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Motion captured animation for non-realistic art styles looks very stiff and uncanny.
Any basic animation course will tell you what effective animation styles exist, and they all consist of similar elements of squash, stretch, exaggeration, etc. These are all elements that get lost through rotoscoping live action footage. Or it's better to say they aren't made in the first place.

>Its a good example of how you can use rotoscope as a base, then fix awkward movements and combine it with traditional
But that's not what the end product reflects at all.
My biggest gripe with rotoscoped animation is that it looks fucking ridiculous when a big headed bug eyed anime girl is moving around like a real life person. It's just uncanny and weird to me. On top of that it looks and is objectively lazy and obvious whenever its done.
Theres this lady that worked on Into the Spiderverse that posted some videos a while back of side by sides of her doing her own reference videos and using them as bases for animating characters in the movie. If you want an example ot taking a base and adding the motions of animation to it, thats a pretty good example.

How in the FUCK does this not get (you)'s

even in big buget films there are slower movements that look better on 2's than ones. but I get what you're saying.

Big O is anime Batman so this makes a lot of sense.

Had no idea

This looks good

Jap shovelware anime games look really bad.

dear god

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The ones of you that know your shit, yeah, you are alright. All the others... FUCKING RETARDS, because there is no other word. Ignorants little shits with zero experience on animation AND fucking zero artistic sense to at least have a grasp of *anything* art related. Rotoscoping isn't degrading anything AT ALL, it isn't "easy mode" or fucking "cheats" (here trying to talk in something vidya related since your rotted peanut brain can't deal with anything else.)

Is really pig fucking disgusting to see kids spraying their mongoloid ideas like horny hyenas feasting on a sea of garbage. Seriously, life fucking failed you. Not going to try to educate you since you just aren't worthy. Just know this: you are an idiot. A *real* idiot. Eternally carved on a mediocre existence.

Thank the old Gods and I stopped trying to be a teacher. I would seriously have ended hitting these little shits on class. Sheesh.

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>implying that's not technically good
You can dislike the style, but you can't deny the quality.

Motion capture for realistic stuff is just as uncanny. Netherrealm games are way less dynamic than say MvC

What was the deal with this anyway? I expected it to be the ED for the whole series and yet it was randomly just the ED for episode 3. Didn't even seem to have any significance to the rest of the episode either, it was like they just wanted to do it and so they did.

shut up boomer

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It's because there's a lot of jitter inherent in mocap performances.
I think most of the time nowadays the data is cleaned up via algorithms and not by hand so when it's cleaned up, a lot of nuance is lost because it's interpreted as noise.
So when that shit is gone, everything looks stiff. Animators aren't really going to bother putting that back in because it's extra work and they have to ship a game to make the shareholders happy.

Studio probably blew half their budget on this.

Oh, we ain't ever getting that. Hell, we'll be lucky if our kids get to see the ending, let alone an adaptation that's not crap.

Terrible.

Streets of Rage 4 and Windjammers 2 are hand drawn. They're both being made by a French studio, which makes sense.

To be fair, Miura has said that he's decided how he wants it to end and is actively moving the story there. All hiatuses are likely due to planning and pre-production, since he seemingly makes chapters a year in advance. I remember that a picture of his studio released,. and a picture of Casca's dream sequence was in his studio a literal year before the chapter ever released.
Have faith, my man.

even tho its so bad when the animation turns to notice the other character while eating I still like it for some odd reason

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is posting mob psycho 100 or soul eater cheating

user, she's a robot. Her flesh is stronger than steel. Those thigh highs could .50 cal point blank and not even rip.

Flash is not real hand drawn

Good rotoscoping would involve tweaking the poses and emotions too. Not just mindlessly tracing it.

Let's be honest muira is gonna kick the bucket before he finishes berserk. We all know it.

i just don't think that 3d animation tools are efficient enough to create the quality of motion capture by themselves. standard practice is to start with motion capture rigs then polish it

youtube.com/watch?v=9EshfWho71M

This is terrible, really choppy and doesn't flow well at all. All the punches look weak, non of the movements look like they have weight, the action sequence looks like it takes place on another planet than the initial run the gif starts with.

I could go on but I won't.

what the fuck is (s)he doing???

Hand drawn anime in the 90s really was amazing.
Our uni lecturer brought in a whole bunch of Tenchi Muyo stuff and the linework on the paper sheets is so well calculated and meticulously drawn, I don't know how the hell they do it.

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In the Audio Commentary for Heart of Ice Bruce Timm talks about an animation studio called Spectrum. It was made up of guys that left TMS. He said they ended up going belly up because they would always go way beyond what they were suppose to. In Heart of Ice they were just suppose to draw an outline to indicate Freeze's helmet. However one of them ended up hand painting the frost effect on every cell.

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buddy, i didnt really read much of your post but it sounds like you need a helmet.

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would Yea Forums play a game with sprites like this?

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To bad the dominating art style was beyond shit

There are good examples of rotoscoping (A Scanner Darkly, that old Lord of The Rings cartoon thing etc) but it is also often used as a shortcut by people who just want to get shit done quickly or cost-efficiently. The same thing happens with puppet animation and tweening, and as such they get a bad reputation because people are much louder about the negative examples rather than the positive.

t. has studied animation to a solid degree

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shame US can't do this no more

Anyone praising how this looks has never tried actually watching a rotoscope animated film. It looks good in these small bursts but part of what makes animation appealing is how expressive and visually bizarre it can get in terms of motion and body shape.

The result is almost always absolutely boring as shit because the cartoon characters can't do cartoon things.

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You morons call anything that isn't done with cels "flash shit that I played/saw on newgrounds for free when I was 12", so don't pretend like this is something you actually want.

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What quality?

Dust the elysian tale. Shank, Jotun.

I hope you didn't draw that because it's fucking awful and the artist should be ashamed that it was posted publicly.

Blame calarts

I hate this, something about it makes me feel sick.

Correct. I like Daedalic games because they kften have HD 2D assets.

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but that same guy did this just recently, and on a TV budget

SAVAGE!

Prince of Egypt is peak.

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Action scenes and super extravagent shit always get lauded as these amazing spectacles of animation, and they are dont get me wrong, but minute actions like dialogue and even just standing are severely unappreciated in animation circles.
I dont think people realize how fucking difficult it is to animate a still shot of someone standing or watching something without going off model

I hate that asian idol dancing because I feel the movements are so disjointed. There is no flow.

Box office returns say otherwise. Your group of 5 barely qualifying normie friends that are contrarian about everything does not represent the market. The mass audiences in the west view animation as nothing but movies for kids, and anything not in 3D is viewed as shit for toddlers or cheap shit.
There's a reason why Spongebob: Sponge Out of Water's marketing was nothing but the 3D segment of the film. 2D doesn't sell in the west, 3D does.

Why do people hate how this looks anyway? It honestly just reminds me of late 90s-early 2000s cartoons and how abstract and grotesque they got in terms of character expressions and body movements. That was always the vibe I got from the original too, some nickelodeon shit, even if it predates some of the stuff in question.

Either way its definitely not fucking calarts like some people are spouting. Miles away from that shit.

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You know a majority of animated shows are hand drawn, right? You're not actually retarded, right?

>yea its easier, but that doesn't make it bad

Turns out it really isnt unles its a 6x6 shitfest. Otherwise its basically a controlled autistic fit making each block the right color.

Jane gave me so many different feelings as a kid.

This only looks terrible because the heads clearly don't match the bodies. They just look like they're pasted on.

>Points to the same artist
still no other can achieve that kinda of character motion

Pretty sure the important part here is "decent".

>now neither of us will be virgins

>storyboarding and then shipping off to Korean sweatshop Flash animators
>hand drawn

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One of the best animated films of all time.

3d gets shit on a lot as well because it's "easy".
2d or 3d, try sitting looking at the same 0.5s of animation for 8hrs tweaking that shit to look just right. Even worse when you're trying to match with sound. It's mind numbing.
>The same word or sentence for days on end.

The only advantage 3d has over 2d cells is you don't have to redraw it completely to change pacing or something.

t. 3d animator.
Freelance, but still animation is tedious.

Toonboom is not hand drawn animation user.

Glad you never became a teacher either, you have nothing of value to impart on young minds but bullshit. Rotoscoping is just tracing with extra steps. Learn the actual way a human form moves and carries itself and you'll be miles ahead.

>Only one person has mentioned Klei for their great art styles and decent animations and kino shorts and cutscenes

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>2D animation in 2019
>screen is tinted with shitty memewave colour schemes
>janky faux-anime style
>whole thing is a slide show

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yes

manman3872 blown the fuck out

Drop the chicken scratch line technique.

>It's a Klasky Csupo episode
They're great whenever they avoid doing their shitty inhouse art style, which is sadly a majority of the time.

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To sort of add to this, 2D animation is arguably easier to do than 3D at the highest level nowadays. Is 2D tedious and time consuming? Yeah obviously, but as 3D improves and audience expectations grow higher, budgets, the skills, time, and amount of people required to animate a movie grow exponentially.

The '94 Lion King cost 76 Million in today's money, 45 Million at the time. The new CGI 2019 Lion King cost fucking 260 Million.

It's not an issue of cost or ease at all, and anyone parroting that needs to be fucking gunned down. 3D is overtaking 2D in video games because it's easier to transition animations and account for player agency, as well as only needing one model for every animation. In movies that is absolutely not the case.

If people went to see 2D, they would still make 2D.

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>3D that tries to emulate 2D as much as possible is good

Another thing with 3D is that studios are always having to develop new technologies to stay ahead of the game.
2D doesn't really have to, but if they want to do more complicated shots they can use/make tools to assist. For the tree surfing scenes in Tarzan, they developed a new digital painting tool so that they can make moving backgrounds with complex shots, but a majority of the film is still good old mastery of the craft.

Not to mention in 3d games a lot of animations and shit are done procedurally.
You only need 1 or 2 keys for a full animation. Then you can just fine tune it by messing with the interpolation to create a full action.

I don't remember if Overgrowth was hated or not here, but there was a really good talk about how the animations and stuff for the game were made. A lot of it were just single poses that are blended between on the fly.
I think this was it
youtube.com/watch?v=LNidsMesxSE

A lot of games have been doing this sort of thing for a while, though not as extreme. Assassin's Creed is one that uses procedurals heavily.

This company completely fucked over western society's value and public perception on animation for generations and counting, please say something awful about them.

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How bout I yabba dabba don't?

It's thanks to this that I have a fetish for ballgowns.

Overgrowth use to have threads here until the dev posted some of his personal opinions on Twitter. Naturally, Yea Forums turned on the game ever since. I don't even see joke threads or images referencing the opening to his dev videos anymore.

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That tool they used for Tarzan and later Treasure Planet is honestly miles ahead of the modern day attempts to integrate 2d and 3d together. It's aged obviously but still looks way better than a lot of stuff now.

Devil May Cry 5 is probably the most notable modern example of this technique actually. Animation cancels are blended into the animations to make a procedural transition animation to keep it from looking jerky and weird with the realistic graphics.

>one of the only best television cartoons of the past decade was a scooby doo reboot
nah get fucked kid

That's what I figured. I hadn't seen it talked about in a long while.
Still though, the talk is pretty interesting in terms of 3d and animation shit. I mean it's more about "lazy" animation, but it's still kind of neat.

It's not even good 2D animation its fucking rotoscoped aka they recorded a 3D woman with a shitty anime snapchat filter

Now animate that image

If only Disney made Frozen in 2D, then 2D would be back and bigger than ever.
2D HD graphics is great.

Ni no Kuni is mostly cel-shaded 3D but the DS version had pre-rendered backgrounds (ala. the Final Fantasy PS1 Trilogy and the Resident Evil PS1 Trilogy) which were hand-painted and both DS and PS3 versions have hand-drawn 2D FMVs.
Studio Ghibli did the backgrounds, FMVs, character design and music.

This.
It was also animated by Production I.G., the studio that made Attack on Titan and Ghost in the Shell.

What fucking quality? The background is just a grainy neon fucking blur, and the characters look like they were done in mspaint.

I thought Overgrowth stopped getting posted here because it finally came out after 11 years and it was extremely underwhelming. At least, when I finished it.

fascinating but uncanny, looks like they traced over a video and pasted anime heads ontop

yeah, it's rotoscoped

what are the numbers on the side supposed to be?
to help with framing or something?

>If only Disney made Frozen in 2D, then 2D would be back and bigger than ever.
Someone on Yea Forums told me there's some exec in Disney who thinks people think 2D is done and that's the reason behind the live action remakes of their 2D stuff, it's not just to make a quick but, though that is part of the profit, it's also to keep it "relevant" by showing off their CG work.

It's honestly disgusting, technically not wrong though because remarks from idiots in reviews and award nominations have suggested some people have a curious aversion towards 2D film being taken seriously. So a renaissance is unlikely, many areas of influence are dominated by the exact kind of asshole you wouldn't want making those calls, but there they are. Making those calls.

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i like pixel art because it forces the artist to be concise and maximize efficiency when portraying something and theres hardly any room for ambiguity.
it appeals to my autism in other words

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That's one of the best things about Redline, to be honest. People are always moving, making natural gestures, and there's always shit going on in the background. The action scenes are fucking great, don't get me wrong, but it's 100% animation all the time and that is just insane.

I can hear it.

it's just rotoscoped

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the king of western animation

Stories like this are the only thing that make me not feel outright disgust when someone says 'fuck capitalism'

As a kid I always wondered; why not just close his eyes if all the televisions are making him transform?

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What do you mean, personal opinions?

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No

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>we'll never have another 2D GG that's not another expansion/port of AC

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>tfw hand-drawn frame-by-frame animation is absolute god tier and lasts forever if done correctly but no big names in the industry do it because of its time and money sink

good 2d animation can be literally timeless, but everybody's chasing the dollar

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Rescuers was such a delightful movie. I haven't seen 2 in forever, but I remember it fucking blew my mind as a kid. The fluid animations, the lighting, the colors. It was fucking amazing.

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muh fursecution

SEVEN YEARS
HAND DRAWN

>mid-poly
No, user. Nier just looked like ass. Could pass off as a 360/PS3 launch title.

most jews dont

nothing done with tablets is real hand drawn

>Japanese “dancing”

>all these normalfags, underage retards, and reddit tourists blindly shitting on all anime as being "weeb"
it's an anime website you absolute triple niggers, go somewhere else if you don't like it

Political views

I think the sound is making him transform as well

soul
soulless

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>implying Guilty Gear isn't the bomb now

>>>>>>

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It's not in any way funny, for one. And it's not interesting, or outrageously stupid like yours. Why the fuck would it?

however the fact 3D always evolves means 3D animation ages horribly compared to 2d. See Toy Story 1-4 compared to the any 2D animated movie made before them

makes me mad, overgrowth was ahead of its time with PBR and procedural animation among other things, and it ran pretty well all things considered. rosen should have licensed the tech and began to make it a super robust engine but now the game and its community is just a little room in a huge city

>To sort of add to this, 2D animation is arguably easier to do than 3D at the highest level nowadays. Is 2D tedious and time consuming? Yeah
Then it's SIMPLER, not EASIER, you fucking dumbass.
>It's not an issue of cost or ease at all
CG in anime is 100% because of cost, and the cost is precisely because it's easier.

Anyone else find all of these frantic and annoying? It's like watching tictocs. A bunch of overemoting rapid mood changes. So obnoxious.

>People think any animation done using a computer is hand drawn

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>"Hey can I see your model sheets?"
>"oh we don't have model sheets, we just do it however we draw it on the storyboard"

I use an animation program to make animations and I draw every frame by hand on my tablet, thus it is hand-drawn animation

Just because it's done on a computer doesn't automatically make it some cheap bullshit. It's a matter of the method, not the platform

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HD Remix was a mismanaged nightmare that had to go through 2 art teams because the first art time they hired for cheap was shit, so they had to bring in a second art team to attempt to clean up their mess. That's why it'll never happen to any other Capcom fighter.

So much talent. How the hell is it even possible to ever get this good?

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Absolute ape response, the conversation was about movies, the post you quoted even said "at the highest level". No shit it's easy and cheap to make godawful crap CG like in nearly all CG anime, it's probably even cheaper and easier to make Johnny Test tier 2D animation, awful awful reply

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Fuck off retard

check out drue langlois on youtube, he has some pretty fun rotoscopes.
youtube.com/watch?v=VM9JrhIckuo

That doesn't include anime shit.
fucking rotoscoped garbage.

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Yeah, frame numbers

Was this shit rotoscoped too?

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this is cute, fuck all you joyless faggots

I think its cute so it can't be bad.

>the conversation was about movies
Which use the same tech as anime, only difference, 2D anime still exists. What, you think a comparison between fucking nothing and pixar is more productive?

No, actually drawing shit will never have the same cost floor. Even animating on fours, drawing 30 fucking thousand frames(90 min) is going to be a lot more intensive that wiggling around some shitty stick figure in flash.

>Dreamworks will NEVER do 2D animation again
LIKE DON'T GET ME WRONG I LIKED SHREK OKAY I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS LAUDED BUT THIS AND ROAD TO EL DORADO WERE REALLY NICELY ANIMATED OKAY I JUST WANT THAT STYLE BACK

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>HURR ROTOSCOPING BAD
Shut the fuck up you dumb proto-nigger.

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>t. Retard that doesn't understand animation.
The entire point is to be overly expressive you stupid faggot. It's like complaining about a musical having singing.

Now you just KNOW there's an alternate series of frame sheets where she's sitting on that Spanish dick. Classic animators are notorious fucking perverts, god bless them.

I've never played persona but that shit looks wack

>literally tracing
>good

Just because it looks fancy it doesn't mean it's good.

The guy specifically was talking about DISNEY ANIMATED MOVIES and how animating the original Lion King was cheaper than the 3D CGI remake even with today's currency conversation. He even posted their budgets to compare, and it checks out.

And why are you bringing up flash animation now? They were talking about 2D vs 3D and flash shit is even cheaper than jank 3D while STILL BEING 2D so you're proving their point while trying to argue against it you fucking chimp.

How can you say that is the point, when animation can be anything you want?

youtube.com/watch?v=ayWazJ_y2vo

People can try but the effort isn't worth it anymore. I remember meeting a low-end disney animator (i.e. grunt work) in 2010 while attending a group interview for Radio Shack in Los Angeles. Gave me a low down on the obvious issue of 3D domination, but 2D (besides the flash stuff) was shot in the foot in the U.S. and Canada because of union rules where animators had to be paid a certain amount regardless if they were okay with being paid lower. The end result was a forced-changing of the guard and she was there sitting next to me playing with legos for some god awful way of interviewing.

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the room was CG

>Let's ignore literally everything else that had to be animated from scratch, including (but not limited to) props, backgrounds, clothing, and lighting.
>It uses an actor as a basis for the character animation so it's LAZY
I'd expect this level of retardation from Yea Forums.
Or maybe /tg/.

>ctrl+z
>ctrl+z
>ctrl+z
>new layer
>ctrl+z
>ctrl+z
>ctrl+z
>ctrl+z
>new layer
>ctrl+z

Any medium can be whatever you want.
But not making animation expressive is a complete waste of the medium. If you don't want to utilize the strengths of animation as a medium, you might as well go live action, it'll probably be cheaper.

What is this fucking video? I feel like I'm having a fever dream.

that isn't a straight 1-1 rotoscope and you can tell Superman's actions are still exxagerated.

>individually wrapped potato-chips
Japs really fucking hate fish don't they?

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No rotoscoping is actually 1:1 (aside from maybe some pretentious arthouse bullshit I haven't seen.) Not even the anime dance bullshit that started this discussion.

Why is she putting the chips back in the bag?

The more difficult an art is to produce, the more entitled the commoner.

>And why are you bringing up flash animation now?
Because it's still CG, and because it's the same exact fucking principle, you goddamn imbecile. Moving a skeleton around is more time-efficient than drawing the entire model all over again several times a second.
>The guy specifically was talking about DISNEY ANIMATED MOVIES
Which is retarded, because they don't draw squat and haven't for ages. There's no comparison to be found there. Disney makes CG and live-action garbage. The Lion King was 25 years ago. It was also Disney's highest grossing film, the highest grossing animated film, and the second highest-grossing film overall. It's a stupid example. It's a long time, and they're not exactly going for price performance, digging up the grave of one of their most valued IPs. Besides that's not animator wages you're comparing. It's like arguing whatever engine the CoD games use is work-intensive, because surely it must be, their budgets are soo big with $200 mil in marketing.

the only time anime garbage goes above 5fps.

That looks terrible, I'm glad I'm an SMT patrician.

This was never true outside of a game that TRIES to be le realism. Of course it "works" for realism games, it's like complaining about ray tracing being used in a game like Skyrim

It takes skill to animation masterfully. It takes less time to trace over a ref just to have something "look real" when the point of it is to be limited. Anime is not meant to animate on ones, ever.

I thought Yea Forums liked anime? What's with all the trannies hating on this all of a sudden?

That's not true. What you're saying, is like suggesting theater is only good for musicals. And if you don't make musicals, then you might as well not use the theater.

Animation can be so many things. What does it need to be this frantic, manic, emoting nightmare like the examples posted in the thread?

MEOWDY

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The subject was specifically about rotoscoping, not the other elements.

gamer

It bothers me how eloquent and accurate you made that point across in 8 words.

The guy who animated this does kino loli doujins.

It seems to me that you actually miss indecent hand drawn stuff.

>280 posts
>146 posters
What do you think?

God I hate anime.

This. Thank you for this post. 3D is a losing battle, as it takes literally skill and technical rigging knowledge to make something passable. It only takes good taste in aesthetics and understandance of timing to make god tier animation with 1/8th the time.

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did pocahontas utilize rotoscoping? the animation is so fucking realistic but still not uncanny.

Muramasa, Odin Sphere, Mickey Mania, Earthworm Jim, etc

>animation with 1/8th the time.
CG in a nutshell.

I used to like anime, but modern one is a one trick pony usually involving cute lesbian lolis and other moe garbage.
Plus weebcels are cancer worse than bronies in their peak at this point.

yeah. I hate what the games industry has become, with all the casual "wider audience" shit, but anime is a great example of the exact opposite, overniching, digging your heels in and pandering way too fucking hard. It's really gone down the drain.

>>Points to the same artist
really?

yeah, I played it after RE2make giving my 1080Ti a run for its money and Nier looks hilariously bad in comparison.

Shit CG in a nutshell.

still can't believe this was dreamworks.

Humongous Entertainment games. Don't give a shit if they're babs first game I love them.

>Minifag

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There's no need to be redundant.

This and ElDorado had god tier animation.

looks like dogshit

kind of funny how princess and the frog was the last shot for 2D animation.

Yes because it allows for multiple artstyles and it looks fantastic when it is animated well
Cuphead in particular is what all indie games should be in terms of production values

>one jagged animation from an alright anime means all anime is shit
Try a .44 tranny

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>he didn't like how they made it legal to market to children, and made a wave of low quality shit

hows it feel to be this wrong.

>made Tom and Jerry
>also made shitty cartoons
Well at least they're not terrytoons

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At least post soulful anime

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>art-styles

this just progressively less soulless from A-D

Game models need animators too user

Yes.
Too hard for vidya, though.

D a best.

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I'm amazed how awful they are still at using CGI.
It's like they're not updating their software since God knows how long.
I'm barely making it to the "4 episodes rule". It's so obvious when anime is trash, even if it has a genre switch or something. The last modern anime I truly enjoyed was Made in Abyss. This one I at least felt someone wanted to make, instead of shit out for the otakus and weebs to eat up and make their avatars and shitty reaction images.

I can hear the quiet shuffling in the movie theater.

both of these are edits.
Right?

made in abyss is otaku pandering 101, the difference is that it had a good story and a excellent execution

Close, but not quite.
Claymation does.
I strongly suggest you go watch Kubo and the Two Strings.

nah, Adventure Time was full of this shit.

Nope.

>Tinker Bell in Peter Pan was pretty much a western "tsundere" bitch before tsundere became a thing
I'll admit that it's funny seeing this tinker bell again after being used to the tinker bell used in the disney ads and movies

EVEN THE MUSIC makes me wanna break shit
how do you faggots deal with voices like this?

MGM made Tom and Jerry, not Hanna Barbara.

Probably, yeah, with all the underage characters and cute furry animal sidekick - still, back in the day this was the average, shows had at least the stories or something to go by. Now the music is usually the same old piano jingles in the background, the characters are copies of eachother (having the same 5 voice actors for everything doesn't help either) and the shows are filled with tropes to the brim.

Is there anything more embarrassing than anime?

>decent animation threads can only happen on Yea Forums
I'm not surprised, Yea Forums is full of seaniggers and Yea Forums is full of tranny sjws

I avoided weebs all my life, and finally butted heads with them in /vrg/ (Virtual Reality General) because of VRChat.
I don't know man, they're just like bronies. Fucking killed VR for me.

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Tbh I’d think Rotoscoping is more of a pain in the ass than regular stuff.

With regular animation you have more freedom to do shit, but with rotoscoping is just tracing shit for hours.

>creators:
>Joseph Hanna and William Barbera
Don't be stupid

your life

Yea Forums works best with everything else but vidya that isn't Ace Combat anyway

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>Joseph Hanna and William Barbera
fuck I did it in reverse

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This but unironically.
Wrong.
Breath of Fire, Metal Slug, etc...

last time i went to an animation thread on Yea Forums there was some fags defending 3dcg and everyone else accusing them of being from here,this and the VEG/patlaborfags shitting up the thread..
>Yea Forums is full of seaniggers
people give who australians shit for being shitposters have obviously never met sea niggers.

Was the kid supposed to be a jab at Snow White or something?

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>they're just like bronies
same shit different stink

fucking niggers ruined 2D

i feel like these arrows are just arbitrarily drawn on this image. why the fuck would my eye look up a typewriter into a lamp around to the lamp head?

>torn stockings
OHYEAHBABY MORE OFTHAT YEAAAAAH

There is way more soul in 2d than stop motion.

a lot of their stuff is fucking great though

youtu.be/o9l4EiYFZjg

I animate for a relatively well-known studio, does only TV/ Netflix stuff, and the quota is a loy for a week, like 450 frame, which would be impossible in most complex shots as we have to hand in the scene complete, all inbetweens and in color too, so we have to use pre-made builds. It sure is fast but I feel like a machine, there is NO time to do it completely redrawn and it usually looks "good enough".

Wish I was born 25 years earlier, not even meme-ing. I worked with paper for a while (Like a year and a half) and it was the SOULest thing ever, was so happy.

this fucking webm
Seismic what the fuck are you doing!

you just know

fuckking kek

> Hand drawn God Hand

I'd much rather see a hand-drawn Viewtiful Joe or Okami.

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don't care about the rest this thread but
i would have played that shitty meme game if it had big tiddy anime girls in it

2D looks nice but it's no mistake that Xrd and GG2020 look far better than any 2D fighter. With effort 3D always trumps 2D especially in video games.

The SOUL here is off the fucking charts.

>tfw you put all the budget into the animation but not the voice acting
no complaints honestly

c*mbrains i swear...

>people who give australians shit for being shitposters have obviously never met sea niggers.
>sea niggers
They are the fucking worst. The mods won't do shit about them though and they keep posting the most retarded shit in each OP. I'd take an aussie cunt over a seanigger anyday.

Source: being a crossboarding scum

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>dissing based Anastasia
You have made a powerful enemy today, user.

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It varies, Yosuke and Chie look like dogshit in the beggining part. Kanji and Naoto look good.

You guys ever been to the DBS threads? They were cancerous as fuck when DBS aired but they were fun to shitpost in

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Some of the numbers on the side are just for the frame number others are with the line and multiple numbers in between are called arcs which are used to measure out far things should move each frame. Mainly used to make things look more natural having the increments of the movement speed up and then slowdown as opposed to making everything move at a constant speed and making it look robotic.

fuck off shonen baby, you deserve your SEAmonkeys

what's a sea nigger? we all know they can't swim. you mean what, hawaiians? somali pirates?

More like Inspiration/homage
Bluth's favorite movie is Snow White after all
youtu.be/0WHDRFl0rSs

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Fuck I can't unsee it now.

Rewatched this movie a year or two ago. Not good. The pacing went to shit in the second act, it feels like they got a slapstick cartoonist to do the last 30 minutes.

>furry pedobait
Yeah this movie was just shit imo

Tumblr shit

Fuck off fag I enjoyed the chaos

south east asia

Philippines, indonesia, India (maybe)

ook ook

Wtf how did they get away with this
What kind of girl would put her bare feet on a fucked up car seat like that anyway

>It's shit

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What's the UU librarian doing here?

I literally cannot stomach the idea of unironically watching anything DB/Z related anymore. It feels like eating paint-chips: bland, flavorless, and bad for my brain.

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KINO

And not in the meme way, this movie is THAT, peak 90's era western cinematic animation.

nah, that's thai for "piss off, mate"

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Dragon Ball is like your basic lager
fine to drink with friends or in public but leaves you wanting for more

The dance was still performed first by a 3D Model that they rotoscoped. There's zero deformation or smearing throughout the entire dance number that a normal animator talented enough to do this would include, but it was traced from a 3d model doing the dance.

>The actual way a human form moves isn't the way a human form moves and there is nothing to be learned from actually drawing this

Disney did a good job of burying the Fleischer brothers and their contributions in the waste paper basket of history.

Kill
You're
Self

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Why yes it is
youtube.com/watch?v=kZsboyfs-L4

F E E T
E
E
T

is that "What if you had a GUN" sequel?

I can't believe how much contempt I feel for my species right now.

No, it really is like drinking fucking paint in a pint glass. It's terrible and I don't care to ever talk about DB, DBZ, DBS, DBWhateverthefuck. It's just stupid garbage. Akira Toriyama has done WAY better things that any of that garbage.

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Well, it's not like there was a standard for TV cartoons before them, all 2D before was either movies or cinmatic shorts.

Basically, if HB did not lower their production costs there would be NO TV animation in the west, at least for a while. Look at early TV Anime, shit moves even LESS than any HB cartoon.

Yes. Handmade animation and 2d is timeless. No not mention 2d means more precise gameplay and no camera problem.

dragon ball is like surströmming, leaves me want to fucking kill myself and fuck why and I eating that today

Jesus Christ DB is basic shit but it's not the fucking worst

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its natural direction of light/dark lit areas and how items are built to give a sloping, guiding effect

I don't believe you. It sure as fuck looks like rotoscoping.

Rotoscoping is bad you dumb nigger. It's not animation anymore than a photo is a painting.

You really think the clothing wasn't part of the original video they rotoscoped from? Or the lighting? The background isn't impressive and it's just a still image. Rotoscoping is shit and you need to stop encouraging it.

it's just plain bad

I love it. Thanks for reminding me user

I thought Dragon Ball was a fun shonen adventure anime. Albeit I haven't watched it in almost two decades.

>A rare Yea Forums thread that is actually great

Must be a full moon

all this talk about 2D animation and no one brings up rayman origins/legends or even fucking marvel vs capcom

i like the emphasis on sound and rhythm in the rayman games.

No it's just another off topic Yea Forums thread
Yea Forums is good at talking about anything but video games

MvC2 had kamiwaza art but the animation was mostly reused sprites

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It borders on being the worst thing in anime. I'm so fucking sick of talking with normies about anime hopefully finding one with taste, and then they just want to prattle on about DBZ

This, I only come here to talk about anime or music. Video games are boring.

>Jesus Christ DB is basic shit
Not really, it's only basic shit by todays standards because it was so influential that everyone wanted to copy it ever since.
Before Dragonball, there were no villains in anime or manga like Freiza or Cell who caused so much mayhem and got away with it for so long, having a villain consistently wreck shit for hundreds of episodes was unheard of.
Before DB there was HnK, and in that series, all the bad guys would be disposed of quickly, but DBZ's villains were fucking unkillable gods by comparison, that's what made their defeats so awesome.

>animation has nothing to do with vidya games

But user, 2DHD is a trademarked art style that Squeenix owns. It refers to SNES era pixel art with tons of particles and shader effects obstructing your view of the sprites.

>eraser
>eraser
>eraser
>new sheet of paper on top
>eraser
>eraser

I hate to say this but if it were not for Dragon Ball, particularly Z, anime would not come to the west outside of maybe France

>popular bad

Anyone have the Vampire hunter D bloodlust webm?

unf

it was popularish in Canada before DBZ hit the air

Last time Japan ever went and put soul and effort into their 2D animation.

The?

Sunrise, aka Cowboy Bebop, and it shows, the blu-ray's look gorgeous

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The only jab involved was her dad

Why do people shit on ace combat everytime its mentioned?

Jannie is a faggot.

Big O is Batman but everyone has amnesia and there's giant robots and monsters

So yes, its great

hard work and passion, fag
the only talent is being dedicated.

Curse of Monkey Island

banner saga?

man, this really is just my webm thats been getting posted... i should make more western animation webms. got a ton of disney and looney tunes downloaded and good lord, animation's beautiful

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Wow. So many triggered little faggots. Since when did cute moe girls scare you so much?

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Eh what do you expect from this board nowadays.
Worst thing is even the art board would shittalk this similarly, this whole site has gone to shit.

Yes

Cinderella was horoscopes.

Like the other said, light and dark help. The other aspectos there is also clutter, sizes and empty spaces. The arrows end up pointing from bigger, less complex spaces or objects to smaller and denser ones, as your eyes try to get the idea of the bigger picture instead of focusing on the details first.
The arrows are still just an intention, they didnt verified them scientifically that yes, the eyes do follow that motion

You can mess around with mocap a lot easier then with rotoscope.

ever played a game where the way is lit by light sources to show you where to go? yeah

>rotoscoped anime bullshit with completely solid and unflexible shapes doing a retarded uguu-dance, celebrated as the pinnacle of animation
The problem isn't that you unironically believe this is good, it's that you won't let yourself get convinced otherwise.

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>All these replies

It never fails

new DBZ is actually really well animated.

/m/ here, let's post mecha

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I HATE anime!!!! >:(

Do i fit in yet?

/ic/ has been anti anime since forever, and that's a good thing

I like the series
it's the vidya series that has the most good threads on Yea Forums

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that is infamously garbage dance choreography and animation.

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anime is fine
this webm in particular is just bad

Likely traced from a 3D model, still has abominable proportions

When will anime die?

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>go to /ic/
>anime and porn aren't art
>pleade mods remove this artwork from the art and critique board

t. crab

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People started to ironically hate anime. Then people who actually hate anime thought they found themselves in good company. So now this place is a cesspool.

Turn A is really cool

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my dick

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damn i thought this was gonna be "The ball and the line" and isntead its some stupid french tits thing.

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thanks

>e-everyone replied, so they must all be triggered faggots!! come on guys it's just anime, do you even know where you are? f-fufufu~! COOOPE!! xd

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Whats this from? France?

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an italian animator
just felt like it would fit ITT.

normalfags ince 2016 election, tumblr and resetera fugitives, plus /fit/fags who think "DURR OLD MUSCLE ANIME GOOD NEW MOE INCEL SHIT BAAAAAAD" like anyone cares about their shit opinion

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>westcuckshit "animation"
>good

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it used to be.

I think it looks great

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Gumball's actually good though

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amazing how you spend time on a website meant for weebs, normalfag

why even if disney has talented 2D animators they choose to make every film with 3D soulles garbage?
they are not even on the level of pixar

I miss 2d animation bros. Fuck the souless 3d animation

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Remember that in 1940 they could pull off shit like Night on Bald Mountain in Fantasia? Shit looks so ahead of it's time

Jin Roh is great too

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youtube.com/watch?v=zGgBk3icgi4

don't act like anime isn't just as stagnant and creatively bankrupt with their non-stop little girl obsession

wow that looks awful

How are the 3D Disney films soulless?
It's not like I expect an intelligible answer from someone like you, but go on anyway.

Will a major video game series ever receive a traditionally animated adaptation by a genius-level director again?

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2d animation is very time consuming and expensive, same reason things like fighting games with 2d art are basically extinct now aside from indie stuff. games like Metal Slug are absolutely impressive
but idk if that's Disney's reason.

reminder that skeletal animation IS NOT animation

3D doesn't age as well as 2D animation

Animation-wise? sure
Artstyle is still mostly the generic blob faces that are popular all over western 2D animation right now

Mighty Switch Force Hyperdrive Edition

But you guys keep consistently describing dated 3D renders as "soulful".
That's literally how the whole "soul" meme started around here.

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Fun fact: They got one of the best and most iconic singers in Israeli culture to sing Moses's mother's bit in Deliver Us. In every dub of the movie, her part starts with the same Hebrew line. They got this singer to sing her part in ALL of the different dubs, and she nailed them all.

>non-stop little girl obsession
I can guarantee you maybe only watched a couple 80s/90s anime and have never touched a modern one

Different standards user
I can accept games having lower quality models if it means performance can be improved.
But movies better look good, period

Yeah, same-face has never been an issue with anime.

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ara ara

lowpoly looks great faggot

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it's even more prominent in modern anime

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you can find same-face in anime, but not on the large scale western cartoons do

>go into movie expecting hamfisted yet well animated boring christian nonsense
>have goosebumps within the first 10 minutes
got damn prince of egypt is amazing

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the art is nowhere near that fucking bad

>the ED still triggers people
holy hell, my sides

KEK did this make it into the show? fucking based for shitting on the calarts bullshit

>anime picture contains 24 seperate examples
>the calarts one contains 4
???

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Weeb thought he would post that shit in a thread about decent animation, but he got PWNed.

Now you're getting PWNED too

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I don't think it was supposed to be ironic.

>but not on the large scale western cartoons do
you do know the entire west doesn't only consist of a select few cartoon network and disney channel shows, right?
anime has been using the exact same symbols for drawing faces ever since the very beginning

there's hundreds of modern anime with their own distinct faces, same-face only existing in thoses with rookie artists
the most popular western cartoons all have those goofy blobby cartoon faces

NIPPLE

>nononono it doesn't count
>still can't provide proof, only anger and bullshit tantrum
Back to your containment board, CN boarder lesbian.

Name 4 popular examples outside of the ones in the picture

>same-face only existing in thoses with rookie artists
you mean the day-to-day seasonal shit that is constantly shitted out? just like "the most popular western cartoons" that you're talking about?
you're not going to get a good sample of what an entire industry is capable of if you only sample the latest couple of shows

>doesn't only consist of a select few cartoon network and disney channel shows
if only you realized your hypocrisy
anime isn't just a select few moe/CGDCT shows as well, but you still believe they are

>it's still rotoscoped

How has this post addressed my point in any way?
Please refrain from addressing me again, you fucking ape. You're literally too stupid to talk to.

>weebs talking same-face in western cartoons
LMAO

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I had nightmares because of this movie. Spent almost a decade before watching it again. Pretty sure it was due to The Plagues.
THUS SAID THE LOOOOOORD

>Yea Forums was made for weebs
It was made for people who enjoy japanese culture you retarded newfag

Did you fear God hardening your heart, user?

>I cherrypicked an image, weebs BTFO
ok?

and weebs are people who enjoy japanese culture, or more specifficially, are obssesed over it
"weeb" doesn't just mean "someone who watches anime", you know?

>one of the most popular properties in modern japanese media
>cherry picked
just take the fucking L already m8

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I hope you realize soon how poisoned your brain is. You need some time out from the internet.

not him
if adaptations of manga count then there are plenty of examples.
in fact i can easily think of 4 shonen anime with artstyles that aren't blob

>just take the fucking L already m8
how nice, normalfag speak, as if it wasn't already apparent it's your first day here
and the most popular properties would be something like Dragonball or other shonen stuff

>"weeb" doesn't just mean "someone who watches anime", you know?
Yes? That's what I'm saying, weebs are degenerates who disrespect their own culture and think that everything japanese is superior.
Not all people who enjoy japanese culture are weebs.

I meant western cartoons that ARE blob
There's plenty of varied anime but same goes for the west.

The Crocodile scene scared the fuck out of me as a kid
And then I grew a pair of balls and really began to enjoy the film for what it is

I can guarantee I've been here longer than you lol.
Just because I object to people who think that their japanese overlords are untouchable and completely write-off western media doesn't mean I'm a normalfag.

you should have shit like that filtered already

by cherrypicking stuff?

>Yes? That's what I'm saying, weebs are degenerates who disrespect their own culture and think that everything japanese is superior.
>in an animation thread

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>rotoscoping = bad
/ic/ is an awful board for opinions, just grab those books and get the hell out

>weebs are degenerates who disrespect their own culture and think that everything japanese is superior
another retard believing that shitty FilthyFrank version
no, being a weeb doesn't mean "disprespecting your own culture" (which btw, there's nothing wrong with doing that, your culture isn't immune to criticism and hate), it means being obsessed over japanese culture, that's all there is to it

Love Live is not cherrypicking, m8. It's obscenely popular.
You can keep screeching "CH-CHERRYPICKING" like an ape all you want, it won't change a thing.

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did rotoscoping rape your mother or something?
lmao

western media wrote off 2d, you retard, it's a win by default you don't have to be so butthurt your country's not #1 at everything you touchy little mutt

If you don't appreciate both japanese and western animation, along with 2D and 3D, you can fuck off.
Anyone who says "I only watch anime" or "I only watch 2D" is a fucking faggot who should not be conversed with.

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picking one single thing that "proves" your point while ignoring all of the stuff that absolutelly invalidates your claims IS cherrypicking, which you are doing

Ah yes, those pesky handless koreans drawing with their feet.

Road to El Rorado mah nigga

>western media wrote off 2d
Look at this idiot, look at him and laugh.
You do realize there are western companies outside of Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks and Illumination, right?

>one single thing
someone hasn't been paying attention

You can see by the body language that they used some autistic men to trace the movements.

>anime rotoscope shitpost thread
>Not a single BASED HEAVY METAL clip

Everyone that isn't Rasputin or the fat sidekick guy are all really boring to watch move around. Rotoscoping isnt inherently BAD but in my opinion it's completely lifeless. What's the point of animation of you're just gonna make it 1:1 with real life?

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>faces compiled together which were most likely all done by the same artist
okay? there's still many more anime out there that disprove your claims

If you don't appreciate both fiction and YA fanfics, you can fuck off. Anyone who says "I only read published works" or "I only read things written by people who've graduated middle school" is a fucking faggot who should not be conversed with.
>have some hips since I don't have an image suited to gay macho posturing

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This

Not with a budget worth mentioning, no. There isn't.

No. You're on your way, but you need to focus on real anatomy before going for stylized stuff.

>there's still many more anime out there that disprove your claims
I'm aware of that, I watch a lot of anime.
I'm just pointing out the same-face issue because some retard had the audacity to say that it's only a western issue, when it's clearly worse in japan and has plagued it for decades.

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Here user, my favourite scene
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>something is only noteworthy according to its budget
jesus

I love the Renaissance and Golden Age Disney Films, 2D Dreamworks films or the rare good non-disney film or tv show as much as my favorite anime
But anime still cranks out gems at least once a year or two but I can't the same for the west
The West is too damn PC, risk averse, money orientated and creatively bankrupt to churn out anything really good. Hell the respect for animation is damn near nonexistent in the west

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This attempt at mockery doesn't work since you're comparing levels of skill as opposed to the other post that you're referencing which compares different techniques.

very funny

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>posting id*lshit as an example

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Your "look at how much shit I can eat, clearly I love this medium more than anyone else" shtick is asinine, and tired on every topic-bound board since half a decade back.

anime has many more distinct artstyles than american "animation" does

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It's literally just a difference in technique and country, you can still pick the best from each aspect and enjoy those. It's not like you're forcing yourself to enjoy everything that's put out.
People like you completely write off stuff like american animation and 3D for no other reason than being ignorant moron who's not willing to look in the right places for examples of something they already have a pre-conceived notion about.

That's because the Japanese are better and more talented.

Did you know that the artist who did the final drawing did it completely freehand after someone had explained it to him what it should look like over the phone in 1981? Not only that, the artist doesn't even HAVE hands (pic related).

I bet you are feeling pretty embarrassed right now.

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>It's not animation anymore than a photo is a painting
I bet you can't trace anything to make it look good.
Rotoscoping is not just copying and pasting, please stop being a dumb retard listening to crabs all day long.

Nah, his example is more like someone who's an engineer saying that he knows how to use many different tools.
Your mentality seems to be "yeah well I only like using a screwdriver, everything else is stupid".

>american animation
I've watched several shows and movies in full 3d. The overwhelming majority of CG is still just cheaping out and looks like absolute ass, and the good stuff is never going to look as good as 2D can. It's good(efficient and not jarringly ugly) for a select few things.

As for "american animation", lack of skill and money is not a style.

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>The overwhelming majority of CG is still just cheaping out and looks like absolute ass
Why should I listen to another "eww yucky 3D" retard?
Don't talk to me again, ape.

those are some fucking good shows to boot

Fucking hell I hate how anime can be so diverse in art styles
fuck anime haters

>ctrl f
>Dragon's Crown
>0 results

I thought this was a video games board?

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You are retarded if you disagree because I know I'm right.

This just goes with the "99% of all anime is shit" notion.
Out of literally thousands and thousands of anime, that entire image is everything in the entire medium worth watching.

Given the context, you're a butthurt and delusional mutt who has a breakdown every time you don't win the olympics.

tweened background with frame by frame animated characters is what makes this look terrible

And here's the western version.

You were the first one to say that Yea Forums is made for weebs, I'm not gonna listen to something a dumb newfag has to say.

I dont see FLCL, Trigun, FMA, Kino no Tabi, NGE, Gurren Lagann, Gunbuster, or 1990s Berserk on there.
There's a lot more good anime than whats in that pic

take your pills, or call your handler and ask him to keep track of who you're talking to, you dumb fuck

>I explicitly only watch anime, why do I know nothing about western animation?

See? You couldn't come up with one.

Your insults aren't gonna change anything because your opinion is already discarded, have a nice day newfag.

because history talks for itself, it doesn't need a butthurt loser like weeb animation to compile an image together

It being designed by Syd Mead only makes it better.

literally just look at any western animation festival
you're welcome

I wouldn't be comfortable any other way, you fucking moron.