Did it succeed?

Did it succeed?

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It actively made both worse. You wouldn't post this if you thought otherwise.

The game had some decent ideas but fucked up the execution so badly. Capcom needs to sort out its fighting game division badly.

Maybe OP genuinely likes the game, and hasn't been poisoned by the /r/Kappa mindset.

It’s a bloated 80+GB of ads and micro transactions so I dunno.

I think the game looks great and it’s an approachable fighter for newcomers. And you have to admit that it can keep a healthy online community after all these years. I’m just not sure if it’s worth it when the game is bloated with hundreds of dollars worth of skins and locked stages.

this wasn't the game that didn't even had a story mode at launch?

>And you have to admit that it can keep a healthy online community after all these years

I mean, it's Street Fighter. Even Street Fighter games released over twenty years ago still have committed players, unlike NRS games that die the weekend they're released.

No, SFV did a lot of harm for the FGC at large.

Perpetuated eSports, encouraged seasonal content updates for characters, casualized and watered down the gameplay

SFV is the most divisive game in the series by far, and I don't expect Capcom to treat SF6 any different. Modern SF is fucking lame as hell

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>SFV is the most divisive game in the series by far

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I've loved capcom fighting games my whole life, I'm a huge supporter of capcom and buy most of their shit. but street fighter v is no good.

The sad thing is, they did SO many things right. with how they released the characters in a trickle so you could learn match ups, using fight money to give incentives to play single player modes. every thing about the games content delievery is great, i played the game a lot and unlocked every character never paid for one, just did my weeklies and all my single player stuff to buy characters.

but the gameplay is not fun. that's just about the only problem. and it's a huge one. everything else more or less they did right.

Who cares? thats another thing they did right. they released single player content later so you could get right into the fighting and training part which are the important parts.

>SFV is the most divisive game in the series by far
Were you alive when 3 came out?

My dude, the only Street Fighter games I've played are 2 and 5. While I can appreciate a real training mode that actually tries to teach me what links into what, and the size of the roster, the amount of it locked behind DLC is a joke, and the depth of the game has decreased so much I can taste it.

no SF has so many people agreeing it's garbage vs people who defend it blindly because "muh crap cum" mob mentality

"No!"

What's up with the horrible art in SFV story segments? Japan is riddled with half-decent to god tier manga artists. Could they not hire a single one?

When are you going to apologize

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See SFIII killed Street Fighter for nearly a decade. Only now people are dickriding it.

It's the most divisive by far since Third Strike, you fucking peons

>backpedaling already
Still factually wrong.

literally everything in that one powerpoint presentation was wrong from day one and continues to be wrong

People will say something like 3 even though 3S corrected almost everything wrong with 3.

SFV is so bad what Evo isn't even using it as a mainevent game anymore.

I enjoyed it personally. But either way Yea Forums is very unqualified to discuss fighters outside of button mashing in story mode.

Not only did it fail to keep any of the new blood it brought in by virtue of the gameplay, it proved that the FGC is a bunch of nigs who don't want to grow. Fighting games will never ever ever reach the level of success MOBAs and RTS' and even some shooters have achieved purely because the community is so god-awful and dedicated to ancient inner-city arcade attitudes.

>spacing out a post to be readable is reddit
Newfag

It made players better at accepting horrible gameplay and terrible market practices.

This is the dumbest post about SFV I have ever seen...

SFV and MvC Infinite are two of the biggest blunders Capcom has ever made, and they did it right after SFIV revitalized the genre. They basically handed the entire marketbase over to ArcSys

is he wrong though?

>the community is so god-awful and dedicated to ancient inner-city arcade attitudes.
The fuck does this mean

09ers were fucking FURIOUS their option selects didn't work anymore. All of a sudden they were forced to play Street Fighter and they were rolled over like a deer on a highway. The majority of those calling the game shit are scrubs who got exposed.

>it proved that the FGC is a bunch of nigs who don't want to grow. Fighting games will never ever ever reach the level of success MOBAs and RTS' and even some shooters have achieved purely because the community is so god-awful and dedicated to ancient inner-city arcade attitudes.

Good.
Fuck Esports.

What's worse, SFV + MvCI or SFvsTekken?

SFV has more entrants and viewers than 3S ever had.

And So does Smash Ultimate, your point?

>animeshitters
Shouldn't you be begging for matches on Discord?

SFxT was at least a decent game with the 2013 update. MvC:I will forever be shit

>makes argumentum ad populum
>point out SFV is measurably more popular
>"S-so?"

>what does this mean
It means that the FGC acts like they're still 14 year old drug runners living in a slum. They're aggressive, cliquey, and generally unpleasant to be around. The entire culture around "pop offs" and shit-talking and "private tech" and their weird obsession with pseudo-kayfabe is intensely juvenile and is the main reason the growth of the FGC outside of something like Smash has been so glacial.

Shit, I remember a bunch of new faces at locals when SFV and Pokken were getting popular but all the best players would refuse to play them outside of matches and would leave the gaming center to go practice at someone's house because they didn't want to "give someone else an edge." It's just faggotry.

>Fallacy Fallacy
Kill yourself.

>It means that the FGC acts like they're still 14 year old drug runners living in a slum. They're aggressive, cliquey, and generally unpleasant to be around. The entire culture around "pop offs" and shit-talking and "private tech" and their weird obsession with pseudo-kayfabe is intensely juvenile and is the main reason the growth of the FGC outside of something like Smash has been so glacial.
>Shit, I remember a bunch of new faces at locals when SFV and Pokken were getting popular but all the best players would refuse to play them outside of matches and would leave the gaming center to go practice at someone's house because they didn't want to "give someone else an edge." It's just faggotry.

You sound like a bitch who went 0-2.
Whatever it takes to win within the rules, cunt.

>the level of success MOBAs and RTS' and even some shooters
but which ones? the only "successful" RTS's are casualised ones, MOBA's fall into this category too. successful shooters are team garbage where your own skill matters less than your team tactics (rest in RIP Quake and Unreal duels). at the same time, SFV casualised itself, but somehow it did not catch the mainstream like the other dumbed down cumpetitive games did. it's not the inner city arcade attitude that's killing FGC, if there is anything it's gotta be something else.

Go back to bed, Sirlin.

Provide examples

>SFV did everything these other franchises did to gain mass appeal, the only difference is the community
>it can't be the community!

>provide examples
I just did?

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No one wants you in fighting games.
People would rather have them die before they turned into esports.
The only people who want anything else just want more money.

Fuck off and accept this.

like, lmao, just git gud. it's that easy.

You sound like a bitch ass white boi

>be me, 16 year old, love video games
>get really into mortal kombat because it's easier than capcom or anime games
>go to a local
>get berated non-stop by a gay furry and his entourage because of the character I picked
>lose a close match near the end of the bracket
>nigger gets 2 inches from my face and starts screaming at me
Gee why don't people want to be in the FGC it's a mystery

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You sound like a pussy. Talk back, asshole.

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Well I dunno about the fighting games but the players definitely seem better. It isn't dominated solely by Japanese players like the previous games.

>I want my community to stay insular and I want my favorite genre to die instead of thrive
Cool story, bro. You'll get your wish.

>Playing Mortal Kombat
That's your first mistake. MK shitters are subhuman.

Weird, I've been to a couple of tournaments myself and they were thoroughly pleasant experiences. And this is coming from someone who absolutely hates pretending to be social. The vast majority of the players were nice and helpful. You could ask them about tech, for advice, almost anything. Maybe 2% were actually jerks.

You need to understand most of them have known each other for more than a decade. Nobody is going to suck your dick because you finally decided to pick up a real fighting game.

Good. I have no idea why you're repeating what I posted.

>provide examples, prove the FGC acts like slumdog tweens
Here you go:

I accept your admission of defeat.

Why do people respond to these single line question posts? it's bait. it's always bait.

>can't handle the banter

Depending on the game and the area your experience will vary, but your experience is certainly not the norm. Especially at larger events.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say you live in a college town.

>be me, 14 year old russian kid
>only games on our computers are STALKER and CS 1.6
>go to school tournament for CS with team of calassmates
>do kinda badly since i was never into multiplayer games
>whole team yells at me for every little fuckup
Gee why don't people want to be in the Counter Strike community it's a mystery

This. If you're humble and don't walk in expecting to be catered to like you're hot shit, people will be happy to include you.

My answer was a shitpost, but in all seriousness, just make some friends. It's just banter. You're on Yea Forums, you faggot. You're really gonna tell me what some dude at a tourney says to you is worse than the burial you receive on this site on the daily?

>getting nigger spittle on your face for daring to enter a local is the same as a random internet stranger calling you a faggot
Autism.

It actually did. Literally the best thing about SFV is that it managed to be so mediocre that it caused people who only played Street Fighter to try other fighting games. This in turn lead to fighting game players to becoming better.

>Faggotry fallacy
lol fag

That's never been a problem with me. Maybe go to a different scene. If that doesn't work, maybe try harder to not be a charisma vacuum.

>using fight money to give incentives to play single player modes
So it's like Tekken 7 but worse?

>works on my machine =]
And then the FGC remained a stagnant pool of malignant cunts and fighting games died again.

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Nigger, if you're too lazy to drive another 20 minutes to see if you can be around people that gel with you better, that's a personal problem. I got lucky, but sometimes it's not so easy.

I wish. I'm not living in the States, mind you, which means there barely even is an FGC. And those participating are even more tight-knit. Most of us have to drive for a while.

>put in extra effort to break into a scene that doesn't want new players
Nah, there are better hobbies to put my time into. I'll continue to be an online killer and go back to avoiding locals like the plague.

Enjoy your dying community.

what more advice do you want other than "your local place is awful go to a different, less awful local place"? do you want a hug and a pat on your head? do you need some wipes for your little baby tears?

Why ending and artworks from story mode are so fucking ugly? Even SNK in KOF XIV has ending with pics, but at least they payed people who can actual drew, i guess?
Whats wrong with Capcom?

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>I'm not living in the US
>the scene here is even smaller
Oh, well there you go right there. No wonder the people where you live are kinder and more helpful

>what more advice do you want
I never wanted advice in the first place, I was simply explaining why the FGC has failed to grow - the shitty people.

>>put in extra effort to break into a scene that doesn't want new players
That's not it at all. You're just a pussy.

>how DARE they ask of me to put in effort!
if you can't put effort into finding a local scene you won't put any effort into gitting gud. go on now, go, walk out the door. donm't stand around now, cuz there's no reason anymore.

>NO FUCK YOU BRO YOU FUCKING LAZY NIGGER FAGGOT THE FGC IS TOTALLY EASY TO BREAK INTO AND SUPER WELCOMING FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
The irony is palpable

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>my anecdotal evidence is the reason why FGC will never grow :^)
good one m80

Smashfag here. Wtf does any of that matter when fighter stages rarely have impact on the game and costumes are pure cosmetic? I could see the point if the shit was like LoL with constant additions of new characters, loot boxes, or must own X costume for power up.

Otherwise its all optional and just buy what you like.

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50 fight money per win is so stupid.

>FGC is welcoming
best joke i've heard all day

>No wonder the people where you live are kinder and more helpful
That's usually not how it works. The smaller a community is, the closer it is. Such a community will most likely display elitism.

>Gets called a pussy
>Keeps acting like a pussy
What's that account? Scrubquotes or something? You sound like you'd be a regular on there.

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I just want to post how I hate SF5's priority system where the heavies beat out the light and medium attacks, which becomes even worse when you take Crush Counters into account

>nah brah the FGC isn't a bunch of cliquey manbabies
>major players like Marn didn't quit because of the community
>if I ignore or minimize these problems they'll go away!

>NO FUCK YOU FOR DEMANDING I PUT EFFORT INTO GAMING I'LL JUST CALL YOU RETARDS WHILE I GO BACK TO BUILDING SAND CASTLES ALSO HERE'S HOW YOU ACT LIKE "ABLOOBLOO FGC IS EASY" NO ITS NOT FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
The irony is palpable

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>still nothing but anecdotal evidence
this is an even better one, keep 'em coming

>What's that account? Scrubquotes or something?
Did you miss because there's no account tied to that post.

For the record, smash is trash and the smash community has nothing to do with the FGC.

Alright then, why has the FGC completely and utterly failed to grow despite being older than modern eSports communities

Given that Capcom and others have done everything they can to match the changes made to other genres and have put in the dev and marketing, what's the differentiating factor? I'd love to hear your take.

Marn didn't quit. Also,
>major player
lmao

Outside of the usual gameplay complaints aside, Capcom cut corners on practically every aspect. Go back and look at their powerpoint presentation and you'll see how they failed to meet majority of their goals.

Marn was a bracket fixing bitch, only ever in it for the money.

It actually does have a tangible effect on the experience when the game takes up a massive chunk of hard drive space but characters have no skins or colors and every time you set up a game you have to be reminded that half the stages are locked behind a paywall.

It's one thing to give players stuff to work towards and unlock to keep the community humming along, it's another thing for the game to have literally thousands of dollars worth of that shit so that your biggest fans spend way more than anyone should on one video game.

imagine that instead of putting effort into new characters or into the "everyone is here" gimmick, masahiro samurai did a complete 180 and focused on nothing but cosmetic features and items while gameplay was like smash 4 but way worse. that's what happened with street fighter 5

>people saying FGC isn't thuggish bullshit
>when the FGC stars were literal NYC drug runners
>when parking lot beatdowns were and in many cases still are the penalty for not towing the line
It's just banter lel

Not him, but the FGC did grow. It's bigger than ever before. It just happens that mobas for some outlandish reason are more popular as eSports.

>>major players like Marn didn't quit because of the community
Who gives a fuck about Marn?

>why has the FGC completely and utterly failed to grow despite being older than modern eSports communities
The nature of the game. Most other eSports are team-based, where you strategize and carry out plays with a group of people. This means that you can blame other players or feel like you're not at fault for failure. Fighting games don't have that responsibility cushion. If you lose, it's because the person you lost to is better than you. You can't blame anybody but yourself. That turns a lot of people off.

Damn, Daigo sold drugs?

I didn't know a geek like Justin Wong was a drug runner, user.

>if you dislike being defecated on the face it means your from "r/kappa".

You genuinely smell like reddit though.

Daigo was a nurse, but that's Japan, we're talking America

Funny you bring up Wong because he's exactly who I was referring to. He'd play in the arcade with a backpack full of weed then go deliver.

I found it pretty easy in 2009. Of course you're going to lose a lot.

>The FGC hasn't grown like MOBA's or shooters because it's not team-based
Then why are RTS games the original eSports success story and why are they still ultra-massively popular?

>He'd play in the arcade with a backpack full of weed then go deliver.
Reddit gossip.

Nope.
I think the only thing that made the fighting game scene better is the addition of Dojo events in the TWT.
It made big players attend smaller local events and the amount of events itself increased a lot

Common sense dictates tournaments are not the place to learn how to play and new tactics. You want to learn do it when money isn't on the line like a friendly, side match, or ask somebody you won't be facing for money.

As for your teammates, kids are dicks.

>why are they still ultra-massively popular?
user, not even Korea cares about Starcraft anymore.

>why has the FGC completely and utterly failed to grow despite being older than modern eSports communities
has it? there's Evo, CEO and Combo Breaker, while majority of games in other competitive genres only have one tournament (dota's International, overwatch's League, whatever Fortnite has, etc.). the FGC is not supported directly by the devs as much as other comp games' comp scenes are (the international is backed directly by Valve, OW league directly by Blizz, etc.), and when the devs do try they do it stupidly (invitationals instead of open pools, advertisers over players and spectators, etc.). add on top of that what said and you should get a clear picture of why the new age lazyass basedboys and entitled feminist/SJW grills don't want to play fighting games competitively

different time different people.
>they are still ultra-massively popular
are they? i don't think so.

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>rts being on gook life support right now

It does not help that e-sports is mainly PC, while FGs are focused on consoles.

>Why are RTS games still ultra-massively popular?
First of all, they're not. Second of all, it's easier to retain a playerbase when new games aren't too common.

It didn't even have a proper tutorial mode or practical combos.
UNIst does everything to help the player learn.

I actually got into SFV off of Overwatch for that exact reason. After a while, it's nice to be the only one responsible for your progress. Losing actually matters less when it becomes an essential learning experience.

>Has it?
Yes.

It expanded heavily through SFIV's popularity but growth was very slow and has halted. The FGC should be five times its current size based on where they started and what they were trying to accomplish. They failed miserably because a good chunk of the community wanted them to fail.

>Alright then, why has the FGC completely and utterly failed to grow despite being older than modern eSports communities
Lack of players. Fighting games aren't as popular as whatever the fuck zoomers play these days. Even games that are supposedly on decline like League or Dota 2 have hundred times more players than the most popular fighting games right now. Starcraft is the only exception but that's on PC and companies like Intel are very happy to sponsor PC games. Maybe it's time for fighting games to accept PC as the main platform.

>lack of players
SFV sold 2 million copies

i was making a joking on No.471186864's post for being anecdotal evidence, and most of the story is made up. but thanks for the encouragement and advice, i'll keep it in mind when i'll go looking for a Skullgirls or Guilty Gear local scene in moscow.

I personally don't see a problem with taking advantage of the gullible if it funds the game in other ways. Maybe its just cause I'm a cheap bastard who won't even pay for online smash.

We already have some smashers whining about too many characters and how it cost 1p modes. Can't ever win on that front.

But didn't SFV have characters coming out on a seasonal basis and end with a fairly typical size cast? I thought tourney fags hated large casts because it leads to bloat and repetitive characters. And unlike Smash, they are kept in mind when Cap makes a game.

>i did not read your post because it does not go along my narrative
you're never gonna make it. not in vidya, not in life.

Good on you, user. SFV isn't for me, but we all start somewhere.

>growth has halted
>Evo 2019 has almost 15k entrants
>2018 had only 11k
>2017 had under 10
Sure, buddy.

The golden era of RTS games is long over. Broodwar is still played some but it's not going to be as popular as the braindead team games they put out these days. Most people are just trash at games and that's just how it is.

Did Evo have smash in 17-18?

yes there were seasonal updates, but just as the fighter pass DLC does not change the core mechanics of the shield parry, so do the new street fighter characters not change the core of the game, which from the start wasn't very good.
>tourney fags hate large casts because it leads to bloat and repetitive characters
only when done wrong. in a good game every character is unique and the cast is still large. there's an insane amount of different things you can do even in the restricted design space that fighting games are set in, just look at Guilty Gear series or skullgirls: every character has unique, fresh mechanics and tactics, which means you have to play different characters differently even when you forget about specials and supers.
when done badly you get fighterZ: the normals are way too similar, there's fifty Goku's, and the actually unique characters are either way underpowered or way overpowered thanks to their uniqueness.

Let's all be real, Tekken is trash, SF is trash, SSB is trash. The Only genuinely good fighter is Soul Calibur and you faggots know it. The only issue is that Bandai Namco doesn't give it the love and attention to detail it truly deserves. Bigger rosters, characters that use magic or bare fists, better customization, and an adventure-esque story mode. And some characters need more moves, but everything else is fine. We just need it to be cared for. The gameplay feels so goddammn good in my hands and the battle system is perfect, tekkens feels to short and lack luster, street fighter has that hit stop bullshit and so does super smash bros. They bottom of the barrel fighters for those with low IQ's. Besides Soul Calibur has the best hit boxes I've ever seen next to Dark Souls 3. Am I right or what?

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Yes, actually. Both of those had TWO smash games, even.

>there's no account tied to that
git gud @ using the search engine, scrub
twitter.com/ScrubQuotesX

>has it?
As someone who used to be involved in tournament organization- Yes it absolutely has, and there are a few factors. You can largely thank the existing TOs being absolute pieces of shit to work with as far as sponsors go, as well as the communities "We want more money but we refuse to act like adults" mindset.

You can try and laugh off things like Overwatch as manufactured, but let's face it- they've landed some massive sponsors, and are pulling consistent numbers for viewership. FGC just has a bunch of NAH chainsmokers who want to talk shit about whatever the current game is. Nothing has changed in the community, this is the same shit as it was 10 years ago. People shit on SFV, just like they did SFIV (notice how everyone loves SFIV now).

Also- the game is not directly supported by the devs "as much"? What the fuck do you call the Capcom Pro Tour? Capcom works pretty closely with the TOs- it's just the TOs don't want to put fucking work in because they're already making their paycheck. You tards need to wake up and admit that it's not anyone else other than you for why the community is stunted, and it's not changing anytime soon.

SC2 is way more popular than BW. There are hundreds of thousands of players in SC2 every season, only gooks give a shit about BW.

>Soul Calibur VI
A very underrated game.

>Using Overwatch as a metric of success
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Found the article, this shit is hilarious

>But I hate to call it a comeback mechanic here. Activating V-Trigger is often more of a match-dynamic changer than one big direct blow to the opponent. In the case of playing a character like M.Bison, whose V-Trigger gives him boosted moves and speed for a limited time, it’s not a big super move that can result in a lucky K.O. I’m simply trying to tilt the entire table slightly in my favor.
venturebeat.com/2016/02/15/street-fighter-v-shows-how-capcom-wants-to-make-fighting-games-and-their-players-better/

Fucking unga bunga Ono said it is my turn for a minute mode isn't a comeback mechanic

id say more than 3s. I dont see 5 maintaining a scene after a SF6 comes out. 3S had enough to make it interesting that its played to this day

Liking being insulted is the definition of being a pussy.
Being insulted for no reason is not putting effort.
You faggots literally suffer from Stockholm syndrome, ffs.

SFV is actually hurting the FGC now

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>Liking being insulted is the definition of being a pussy.
Nobody said you gotta like it, first. Second, if being insulted and taking it like a fucking man means you're a pussy, what does being insulted and letting that shit get to you so bad that you run away and cry about it on the internet mean?

>if being insulted and taking it like a fucking man
>like a fucking man
ahhahaha

>Evo 2019 has almost 15k entrants

There are roughly 9200 unique entrants at EVO this year. 2016 had 9900. Higher than last year, though.

it actually did by being worst of them

while sf5 is shit i agree that option select fighter 4 wasnt much better

they arent anymore user

The shittiness of SF5 is getting more people into competitive Tekken, at least. But it's true that the scene is healthiest when there's a good and popular SF game out there.

I don't have a problem with how much hype is displayed over SFV. My problem with the franchise is that, the franchise has never been good at lore distribution. I'm still seeing "Go home and be a family man" quoted to this very day.

Why does it concern me? Read this:

gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/722788-ultra-street-fighter-iv/faqs/69921

>Perpetuated eSports, encouraged seasonal content updates for characters
It's a logical evolution of what was done in the past.

Instead of buying like 4 iterations of the same game, you buy one and take advantage of the balance patches and pay for/earn characters that you want.

Mike is a broken clock now; dude is probably clinically insane.

>rage quitting

LTG tier argumentative skills

what insane things has he done?

You said that user was inspirational?! GET THAT ASS BANNED, MOTHERFUCKER.

Amazing how it has such a healthy online community when it has the shittiest netcode I’ve experienced since mvc3

SF4 is a very flawed game, but it did lead to a lot of depth and a very interesting game at high level. While at low level you could just play basic ass SF where all your tools were there and felt good. There was just a better way they could have reached that point, but the game let you reach those points and create something special. It needed a final patch though, if SF4 had gone on another year without one stuff could have gotten real bad.

I'm not really sure who SFV is pleases. Even for a casual I think SFV is configured in a bad way. They made and balanced things in a way that it all feels stubby, weak and bad to use. Casuals like pressing shit, casuals like feeling strong and the idea that they press a button and get something super strong. They don't like being on the receiving end of that, but the alternative is give them both nothing which leaves neither happy. CC is an attempt to do that, but you need to know how it is followed up for the real feeling. That is another thing with SFV. Everything is so easy to do that you have to be competent with it at low level, which means you actually need to get learning much earlier. But your reward for doing so is very little to learn after. You need to know frame data early as pressure is strong and easy to do. But once you learnt it, all that is left is guessing right every time. You need mechanics past that and weird character specific stuff to keep it spicy. I really don't know why they made a casual friendly game have strong pressure with shit defensive options. The game has fans, but I'm not sure why. Cause whatever they want from it is done better somewhere else, and the game certainly isn't greater than the sum of its parts. Even stuff I think is good like the fm system have been cut down over time.

I'm a shitter and I stick with SFV because it's easy to get online matches and basically for no other reason. Plus I'm still in Super Bronze so I likely have a long way before I'm competent enough to even understand the flaws most people have with it. I'd like to play Under Night or some other anime games more but I don't like dealing with organizing Discord lobbies.

That excuse worked at launch for SFV, but now even on PC you can pretty easily get matches in any of the bigger fighters. On PS4 I'm still getting ranked matches easy for Samsho and I thought that would be dead in a week.

How you know what Reddit smells like? Smash player?

Fucking this but unironically

Fuck modern FGC

You probably won't believe this, but the story art is drawn by fucking Bengus. I have no goddamn clue what the hell they did to melt his brain like this, but his art went from some of the best in the fucking business to being painful to look at.

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It's fine I guess
I don't like the fact that I paid $60 for it and the story is locked unless you buy characters that you don't even like

I think in terms of Fighting games DBZ Fighters did it the best this generation, but the problem there is that it's made by Arcsystem works so they fucking stopped caring about the game the moment it went out and got sold

Cosmetics is something I would rather see in Fighterz than in SF5

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They don't give him enough time probably, most of his in game art looks like napkin doodles

But then you see promotional art also by him and the difference is staggering

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When you give this man time and money he can still make art

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Fighterz is trash. Only guilty gear, unist and tekken are worth playing. Maybe soul calibur but that’s dead too. Sam sho looks fun but it’s boring as fuck to watch and just lol at mortal kombat

LMAO dbzf is a trash fighting game. I will say this though. Visually they nailed it 100000% a perfect 2d representation of dragon ball ,but the gameplay is insanely trash

It did lead more players to explore other games like Tekken, so yes

What exactly is alive on PC? I'm still waiting for Samsho and unfortunately I'm not into DBZ or tag fighting games in general so DBFZ is off the table. I know Tekken is popular right now but I'm also not interested in 3D games.

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user the only way eSports wasn't going to happen would be if Fighting games completely died out

Jesus christ that looks so good, fuck you Capcom

Why is it trash?
Because of the less emphasis on inputs?

I think in terms of a game it's a lot better than the other main stay fighting games because it's quite easy to get into and quite hard at a higher level

I really don't see how it's somehow less complex or fun than tekken or soul cal

plays DOTA 2

>kappa says numbers don't matter
>Tekken 7 is better than SFV, despite the fact that SFV is the main event
>suddenly, Tekken 7 overtakes SFV
>kappa says that SFV is officially dead
>the numbers suddenly matter
>a week later, the final numbers are revealed
>SFV is on top once again
>silence from kappa

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And we'll never get a new Darkstalkers either.

>People would rather have them die before they turned into esports.
Which is why the people want the money that esports brings

why do you care about reddit?

Capcom's next fighting game will be an RE Engine SF6, or an RE Engine Darkstalkers.
Watch.

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>showed to the entire world that their modern 2d is shit and kaillera servers have a better netcode than their official one
Yes op, it's a success

Are you really surprised? It has been like this forever, and not just with fighting games. People will pull up sales numbers, Metacritic scores or playercounts whenever it suits their agenda, but when it doesn't the numbers are suddenly irrelevant.

MK is about the same level as Tekken these days. And while I wouldn't call it super active you can get games in SC6 still.

> I'm not into DBZ or tag fighting games in general
You are bronze in SFV, you don't know what you like yet.

Try playing UMVC3 and you will understand

Nah it will likely be SF6 in the RE engine. I don't see Capcom ever doing something cartoony and fun like Darkstalkers or EX Troopers ever again.

>SFV shills are STILL on V

>V
Hello, reddit.

It's a pretty good game. I like it better than 4 for sure.

I want to believe, but I've been let down already.
youtu.be/oZfy2Qxz6Hs

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I really wish I could stop being scrubby with SFV.

So eager to greet your own people that you search for them in every post
Pathetic

Well that means you have shit taste.

I have good net and I dropped it because it was fucking unplayable online due to people flickering around the screen because Capcom fucked up implementing roll back netcode. Jesus Christ

You already outed yourself as a tourist. Lying is pointless.

Ad hominem

Sorry I was crouch teching so your insult did nothing. I'm going to option select your next one.

Still trying to deflect? Jesus, let it go. Your kind has no power here. Besides, look up what an ad hominem is.

Amazing how Capcumers still defend their shit game after the 3rd year of it declining in viewership.
I legitimately watch more Smash tourneys than SF at this point.

Thanks for giving every other fighter a boost by being so ass SFV.

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>tekkucks are the smashfags of fighting games
As if we needed any confirmation.

You’re attacking me, not my argument
If you have no counterargument to the fact that you’re a shill, you admit to being one and that’s a bannable offense

>straw man
>false equivalence
You spelled Yea Forums like V. No native does that. It's safe to assume you don't belong here and you're better off going back.

Man, why do you think /r/Kappa smells like Smash?

>sales = active players
Doesn't work that way.

Ok but what does that have to do with the fact that Street Fighter V is a shit fighting game that’s unfun to watch and only fun to play for baby brained retards that can’t play real fighting games, and capcom still tries to shill it as hard as they can on every site including this one
Because that’s what I’m talking about while you’re actually deflecting into a stupid argument about me forgetting to put a pair of slashes around a letter. Stop running away from the argument.

Consider that your taste is not the be all and end all, that people enjoy different things and that this may include SFV. I know, it's a hard thing to comprehend when you're a retarded faggot, but that's the beauty of it: you don't need to understand it for it to be true.

I also love the "SFV players are bad at fighting games" meme since the most prolific SFV players were dominating SFIV, too. By the sound of it you don't play fighting games anyway and I'd crush you in any game I play.

So you counter my argument with, essentially: “That’s just your opinion, man” and the once again insult me.
In other words, you have no argument.

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To counter an argument requires something to exist that is worth countering. You just called me a shill for disagreeing with you and demanded "arguments". It's safe to say you're a retard, shit at fighting games and not worth anybody's time. Go back.

Delete this.

You’re a shill because you’re defending a game that was outdated before it came out, with god-awful graphics and a starting roster smaller than my dick, formulaic and downright boring gameplay, and an absolute infestation of monetization and advertisements
You can WEAR advertisements on your characters to earn fight money, for god’s sake. Not to mention the fact that every returning character has a heavily gimped moveset to account for the V-system. Every character in SFV that has appeared before is at their most pathetic, awful, boring, and uninteresting state of being.

>boring
>uninteresting
Unironically, not an argument. Besides, there's no need to defend anything since SFV remains the most played game at tournaments.
>complaining about graphics
Could you make it any more obvious you don't play fighting games? Seethe harder, retard.

Saying my arguments don’t exist isn’t an argument, shill

Street Fighter died for for a decade after sf3

Calling something boring is not an argument, you tard. lmao

It’s not interesting to play, there’s little to no room for player variation. Playing it is a repetitive chore

Opinion. A wrong one at that, too. "Player expression" is a meme parroted by people who would never be able to tell apart Infiltration's Akuma from Tokido's.

You know what's actually a repetitive chore? Talking to you.

Not an argument
You have no arguments, just denial

This, it wanted to lower the barrier of entry, but ended up lowering the skill ceiling as well

Not an argument
You have no arguments, just denial

>SFV is the most divisive game in the series by far,
Confirmed for no being around during SF3 release

Keep being a drone for a million dollar company that produces nothing but mediocrity
I won’t put up with MvCI and I won’t put up with SFV

How valiant of you. Now defend your virginity somewhere else.

I still miss him, Excellent Adventures is what got me into fighting games after having missed out my entire life.

Do you think the EVO announcement will help or hurt Capcom?

Depends on what it is. Though I can picture people bitching regardless of how good it is.

The art direction was this games downfall. They really didn't know how to properly translate street fighter aesthetics to the unreal engine. All the women are muscle bound freaks with no semblance of irony. Forget gameplay, the art, music, and UI is fucking atrocious.

Take DBFZ or guilty gear, those devs know how to translate sprite based artwork to a 3D medium. It's insane just how ugly street fighter V is to look at.

The gameplay being awful is just window dressing to the games biggest problem. Lack of coherent aesthetics.

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>help or hurt
There are very few circumstances where it could hurt, but they are also few where it would signficantly help. If it was just 1 Abigail or Kage tier reveal it would hurt. If it is 2 or 3 characters that will be great but really not have lasting impact. I don't think any new mode is going to help, people have been talking about new story for years but 99.9999999% of people who care about that left year 1 and won't come back for it. A netcode fix would however be a serious help.

For it to really change the direction SFV is headed the game needs a complete overall. To the point where it can be called a new game, Street Fighter Victory or some shit like that. Push it as we changed how all the shit people hate works to the point where this isn't SFV. Long normals, fireballs aren't easy to ignore, defensive mechanics, completely change the crush counter and vtrigger systems.

>music
Opinion discarded.

I see. I understood SFV had dogshit gameplay but the other point about DLC shilling make sense now if CC isn't doing jack to improve the core gameplay everyone is bitching about.

youtube.com/watch?v=EEDvf6VclD4

lol SFV music is atrocious, not only do they remix better themes with awful modern sensibilities, they have no good unique music. There is no theme like in third strike which had a hip hop theme. I generally don't even know what SFV means for the generation it came in. Third strike had a message at the bare minimum, that's why it's so fondly remembered.

>Fight for the future, it's street fighter 3

everybody knows
odd numbered games are shit
even numbered games are good

>in before third strike was shit
yes it was autist , it nearly killed franchise for good

tekken is the chad fightan game

erhm Mortal Kombat *

>links soundtrack with no explanation why it's good
>lack of a generic motto is a deal-breaker
This may be an unpopular opinion, but it's coming from someone who knows a thing or two about sound engineering: the music in SFIII is generally awful. Not even factoring in the production quality. Urien's theme for instance is just a four second sound loop and I'm sure I heard the default FL Studio drumkit somewhere. The hip hop theme felt forced and was badly executed. The "chill" jazzy parts particularly are praised by people who never listened to a jazz record in their entire lives.

SFV gave an interesting spin on iconic themes, some of which SFIV previously butchered with scratchy synths. What you call a weakness is actually a strength: no other Street Fighter before had that much variety. Practically every genre you can think of is covered, plus the instrumentation and track progression are a lot more varied. It's a great mix of old and new. But we both know I'm wasting my breath because
>OLD GAME GOOD
>NEW GAME BAD

>Yea Forums talking about games
>especially fighting games

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The entire SFV ost is completely generic filler with absolutely no restraint. Every single remixed them sounds worse then the game it actually comes from. Every single unique track is immediately forgettable. I mean fuck Tekken 7 doesn't have that problem, I can hum some of the tracks in there and enjoy them completely. SFV just feels like the phoned every single song in.

And that's just one problem. Not to mention the gameplay, the art design, character design, voice acting, UI elements, online, etc. The entire game is an abomination.

Hello, I found your Steam ID.

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I don't play fighting games on PC lol, it's retarded, and SFV cross play is buggy nonsense which always fucks up. When I play on my PS4 pro I just turn off cross play because you guys are like less than 1% of the actual playerbase of the game.

PC is for FPS, RTS, or other demanding games. Not for fighting games. lmao

RA
SHI
DOOOOOOOOOOO

>The entire SFV ost is completely generic filler with absolutely no restraint.
Yeah, fuck music having textures and actual progression. lmao
Sorry man, your critique is ultra shallow. I can pull all kinds of supposed impressions out of my ass without the need to back it up - that's usually what you do when you want to shit on something, but can't really think of anything specific, and it sure as hell sounds like that's what you're doing. You'll bring up things like "memorable" or "soul" without tackling the music in the slightest.

There's a lot to criticize about SFV, but the soundtrack is legitimately great. You're a pleb if you suggest otherwise, double so if you link me shit like the fucking 3rd Strike soundtrack.

Tekken 7 - really? Helipad stage lover or some other kind of "special" music lover?

Imagine actually thinking this.

no argument huh?

It's not even a fighting game. It's a goddamn cash shop disguised as a video game. Slap "street fighter" on the cover and bam. the whales flock in droves.

>fighting games on PC
>retarded
Man, you just revealed you don't play fighting games to begin with and if you do, extremely casually. PC has been proven superior in the past few years when it comes to input lag and other qualities.

>SFV cross play is buggy nonsense
works fine on my machine

never had any problem while crossplaying with my pc on SFV dont really know what youre talking about, maybe you should stop using mcdonald's wifi

I don't really care lol. All tournaments are played on ps4. And you have more people to actually play with especially when the fighting game doesn't even support cross play.

POST MODS

I always thought Tekken folks were chill, but in the past few weeks a lot of shitposting originated from their corner. It's Yea Forums and there's a chance this might be just one dedicated individual out to stirr up shit, but I have no reason to not take it at face value.

>All tournaments are played on ps4
You say this like this effects you in some way.

Yeah I remember fighting bots from the PC playerbase while I played on consoles using scripts and bots to cheat. Shit like that and the minimal benefit you gain from playing on PC when you are getting not even 5% of the actual competition that is present on consoles is just dumb.

It does when I go to locals.

>And you have more people to actually play with especially when the fighting game doesn't even support cross play.
This one does, though. Therefore bringing playercount into this discussion is kinda pointless. Also, Crossplay has proven reliable.

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Not him but one of the reasons I stopped playing SFV was because of one sided rollback / frame skip on PC. I'll get these weird hiccups but it will be completely smooth for my friend or opponent. I can alt tab and it "fixes" the problem by passing it to whoever you're playing against. Capcom hasn't fixed this in the three years the game has been out.

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Which you don't.

Your garbage local is nothing and you will never be as good as you think you are.

Most people turn off cross play though.

I do.

kek, Keep playing on PC, like those tekken retards that keep playing the same 4 people everyday because there is no playerbase. Oh yeah how's samurai showdown and guilty gear?

>Most people turn off cross play though.
Source?
>I do.
Proof?

hello Yea Forums someone see me in a fightcade game

games I'm ok at:

>ST
>a3
>a2
>98
>02

games I'm not very good at but will still play:

>2k
>vsav
>breakers

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I doubt it its pretty dumbed down, very forgiving hitboxes, and shit character balancing

reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/698uuz/do_you_disable_crossplay/

quick google search and I found this thread

GIMME SEXY MODS AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>quick google search and I found this thread
Okay? Still waiting on a proper source for your claim.

What's your id?

it's xX_pu$$y_ea+3r_Xx

What game do you want to play

Poor Mike. Hope that someone breaks his cycle of playing DotA and Axl Low in GG daily

Are you trying to be funny with me mister?

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it doesn't show up on the site because it has special characters in it

what game

It’s the best fighting game I’ve ever played, and I’ve played almost every single one. People shit on it, but accessibility is a deep issue. Also, there’s a clear distinction between great and good players that doesn’t come down to how much time you put in the lab. It’s something that is learned form fighting humans, not AI. No other games do this, except maybe Smash bros, which isn’t really a fighting game.

No. The only-- ONLY--- reason I can give Capcom a slight amount of credit to make SFVI good is that they did the RE2 remake and DMCV very well. Those two are actually real video games and not just DLC buying simulators like they do for their fighting games. So maybe, MAYBE they learned that people wanna play a video game.

Dota maybe, but you trying to throw salt at Waxl?

SC2 is only alive because of co-op mode and it going f2p

SF3 literally killed the franchise until Capcom revived it with 4.

>when the fighting game doesn't even support crossplay
Street Fighter does. You just revealed you have never played Street Fighter.

The absolute state of Yea Forums, everyone.

I was obviously talking about other games like tekken. Not every PC fighting game supports it, and a lot of people even then on SFV turn it off. Like I've been talking about this entire time.

>and a lot of people even then on SFV turn it off
I'm still waiting for an actual source on this other than a random thread on reddit where most people said to leave crossplay on.

user, that's Bengus art in the SFV endings. He can obviously draw better andI think their deadlines fucked Bengus in some way

a lot of players didn't want to get better though and instead continue to bitch 3 years later

>3 years already

damn, time really flies.

But to answer the question:

No, it didnt. it took a shitload of time just to make it's budget. The game still lives on name alone and pro players only play it because of the money.

It is not fun to either play or watch and it failed so hard it let other developers to take over.

Yea Forumss opinion on fighting games is not to be taken seriously. OH GOD Chris G told me this was a 1 frame link and now its a 3 frame! GAME RUINED. SF5 had a lame launch but the game is far better than 4 ever was.

This 100%.

Isn't this the one with all the input lag?

No, that's Tekken. SFV's has been patched 2 years ago.