Name ONE character in all of Final Fantasy that is better than Adelbert Steiner

Name ONE character in all of Final Fantasy that is better than Adelbert Steiner.

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warrior from final fantasy 1

The only relevant Final Fantasy character is Lulu.

nigga guy from 13

NOTHIN' FINER THAN STEINER

can't

based and powerful shoopuf driver man in ffx

He's not even the best character in his own game.

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This woman that is taller than him who happens to be his wife.

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Soulless doll

fighter

>Feel when we got that shitty rat nobody used instead of her as a party member

Still mad.

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>kills furries
>zero repercussions
Cope
You can use her with cheats. I'm sure at one point she was going to be a party member but then they said "two Steiners? game would be too easy!".

Gilgamesh.
Galuf.
Edgar.
Cid Highwind.
Seifer.
Amarant.
Auron.
Basch.
Sazh.
Prompto.

Exterminating vermin is not genocide.

His shorts armor design looks retarded

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batman

Pure

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uglier than the rats she killed

Truth.
Sometimes I'm not sure if I like Vivi or Freya more, but I can't pretend she's even remotely as well written as the little mage is.

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FF9 is the last final fantasy where every single party member had a fully realized character arc. Yes, even Amarant and Quina. Even if you cannot agree that it is the best final fantasy, surely you can acknowledge it is amongst the best written games in the series.

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Yeah, a shame they didn't do more,
or any.
It's also a real shame that the ability system from gear is so poorly actualized that fucking Lost Odyssey showed it up.
It's probably also a shame that some characters are outright useless when compared to others.
Man it sure does let me down that combat is a chore for a game that lacks any strategic depth beyond 'heal when my health gets low and use my strongest attack'.
It sure would have been fun if the main character being a thief was actualized beyond trying to steal for five minutes every other boss fight.
It's a real downer that the card minigame is never properly explained, presented, or rewarded despite there being precedents for it in the franchise.
It really gets the noggin joggin how trance was so poorly implemented despite the franchise precedents as well.
It's kind of an odd choice to force the player to split their party or to regularly force out party members. Guess FF6 did it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is best final fantasy amirite?

Vivi costume for ff14 when?

Good bait, almost responded with a counter argument.

Steiner is a great lad

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>vivi
>Zidane
>Freya
>Kuja
>Zorn
>thorn
>Black Waltz 1
>Black waltz 2
>black Waltz 3
>Garnet
>Eiko
>Puck
>Fat bitch queen
>Beatrix
>Sir Fratley
>Mog
>All other moogles
>Blank
>All of tantalus
>literally everyone else.

>every single party member had a fully realized character arc
I'm going to be real with you, I don't recall shit about Quina, Eiko, Amarant, or Freya's arcs. Even Zidane's, Vivi's, and Garnet's are hit and miss in places. But you're probably the kind of user who would defend Zidane falling into a world-ending depression because he found out he was mass produced despite the ENTIRE ADVENTURE behind him and the scene where he literally tells Vivi that Vivi's still a worthwhile individual with a soul despite being mass produced.
>the last
Everyone got arcs in 10, 13, and 15, you're just deluded by counterculture opinions on a Chinese bread baking forum.

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>calls it bait
>when it's all true though

Are you autistic? How does Zidane not make sense? It's very easy to give advice when you're not the one in the tough situation. Acting the complete opposite way to the advice you gave is very normal, because then emotions kick in and fuck up your entire process.

You're wrong, I am not the user who's going to defend it
because I got another one to do it for me

I expected him to have integrity given he's literally never shown to break under the intense pressure of any of the situations presented so far. Maybe if he was played up as a weak-hearted bluffing type, sure, but he's the ass-pinching, dragon-slaying, genocide-facing coolguy who literally has been presented as having an ethos that wouldn't cause the events of the ending to unfold in the hamfisted, melodramatic way they do.
Though even if you do find that shit defensible, the fact that the SAME PLOT that's rolled out as a tragedy for a side character gets beaten back as some huge surprise turmoil for the main character in the last act is indefensible.

>the scene where he literally tells Vivi that Vivi's still a worthwhile individual with a soul despite being mass produced.

Uhh. you realize that Zidane only told Vivi that to make him feel better? Right? Not only that but Zidane was talking from an outside perspective. He didn't know what Vivi felt because he wasn't personally in the situation. That's literally all it is. Not to mention, when Zidane finds out, it's endgame and there's some end of the world type shit going on. Both Vivi and Zidane have a reason to feel depressed. And they both get through it because their friends are their to help them.

It literally makes sense. But i guess any sort of human emotions in a fantasy game makes no sense. Zidane should have been like "I was created for the specific purpose of destruction? cool." Would that have been better?

>Everyone got arcs in 10, 13, and 15
>15
lmao maybe in the DLC

Final Fantasy 9 is boring retro trash

8 had the best gameplay/story/characters and then 9 comes along and sets the series back a decade

Yeah, I'm thinking it's the tism. You really think, that some one, no matter how strong willed they might seem, doesn't have a breaking point? You really think that the whole point of the game showing all those traits of Zidane you just mentioned wasn't intended to lead up to the point where he cracked? Take more literature classes.

Amarant follows Zidane because Zidane has a great strength and charisma about him but since he doesn't flaunt his power it makes Amarant reconsider what he considers power to be. You can't have a whole fucking character's arc be that he looks up to someone for their ability to cleverly solve problems, make it through tough situations, etc. and then just have that character break over some shit they've already proven they're absolutely capable of handling.

biggs, wedge, any other generic henchman

>they've already proven they're absolutely capable of handling.
but he didn't? i'm really thinking you're autistic here and thus completely unable to understand how people function.

This.

But you absolutely can. In fact, this is what finishes Amarant's arc. He finally learns in Zidane's moment of weakness that true "power" isn't what he thought it was at all. What he once thought was power was in fact humanity, something Amarant never quite embraced about himself. It's one of the many themes of the game and it's reinforced in literally every single character at some point or another.

>8 had the best gameplay
DRAW SYSTEM LMAO BTFO

Party dependent abilities like Steiner's spellblade needed to be more common.

BOOM, LIKE HAPPY FESTIVAL FIREWORKS YA?

>Zidane was only telling him that to make him feel better
Show me where in the entire game that's hinted at or outright said. You can't. The whole fucking point of the scene is to reveal more about Zidane's own outlook on life while uplifting Vivi. You can inventing whatever fanfiction helps you justify enjoying writing that bends over backwards to create conflict and drops entire plots and characters as 'good', or you can just accept the game isn't the best shit ever and that's okay, too. You can still like it.
>I guess any sort of human emotions in a fantasy game makes no sense. Zidane should have been like "I was created for the specific purpose of destruction? cool." Would that have been better?
Not at all, because that's a shit idea from someone who doesn't even understand the canon fiction of the game. It would have made much more sense for Zidane to defiantly stand against the attempts to break him precisely because of his strong bonds and the adventure he's been through. Having him fall into depression and have to be rescued by his allies is awful writing not just because it's contrary to his characterization throughout the entire game, but the catharsis of his friends getting him through it can be achieved without ever having the melodramatic episode come literally an hour before the game is over.
>You really think that the whole point of a game showing that a character has traits means that character will be true to those traits! You must be an autist!
>Take more literature classes
Literature shows that most heroic characters will overcome despite adversity--the fucking hero's journey pits that kind of internal struggle early and in the middle of most plots, not at the fucking end.Even within the context of the genre, titles like Breath of Fire 2 and Persona 4 have presented antagonists that try to break the protagonist's will and, through faith in the bonds they've forged, the protagonist is able to fight through this adversity.

Sakaguchi is a very petty and vengeful person who is mostly motivated by competition.Most of why he kept making FF was because he couldn't stand DQ was more successful in Japan and had more entries.
Around 7 they got the international crowd and got up to the numbers of DQ, so the external competition was gone. So he turned on his own staff. 9 is a fucking betrayal to the core of the series up to that point. Every single game strives to the something completely different from the last.And 9 just repeats moments and ideas from past games with no meaning to them. Most of the staff working on 9 at the time thought it was a shitty spinoff. Which is why the actual spinoffs look like 9.

So in short 9 is SOULLESS

Or present in the game at all beyond the single interaction there.
It's a fucking joke, almost as poorly realized as dual and triple techs in Chrono Cross.

Why do amerifats insist on bringing politics into everything? No wonder you lead the world in tranny per capita

Explain this, it's fine to me
Name any character besides Freya
One of the first bosses you fight you have to deal with keeping a captured teammate alive, also: Tantarian
What else does a thief do besides steal shit, also he has other abilities.
Because having fun isn't it's own reward, amirite?
I'll give this one to you, and add that Trance for some characters was broken (zidane) and garbage for others (quina)
Because those characters got shit to do and other side-stories to deal with
that goes to final fantasy tactics

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Based

>gameplay
hope you like farming spreadsheets and easily making your characters godlike
>story
magic lady bad
>characters
you're just fucking with me now, aren't you?

>((Steiner))

Yes, but he doesn't learn that BECAUSE of Zidane's weakness--it's something that's realized entirely parallel rather than a product of.
>I think you're autistic because you think that when a character in fiction acts in a way contrary to their characterization it's bad.
Zidane establishes a strong belief in the value of the individual and is the literal prime example of humanity's strength to the point of Amarant's entire character orbiting this fact. It's fine to have a main character become depressed and have other characters support them, but the way it's handled here is so obviously hamfisted in for the purposes of having such a scene.

Basch, Balthier, Fran, the list goes on....

>t. Faggot
Lmao

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Any character that doesn't get a max damage hit every turn. The game isn't hard enough to warrant this, though, so it's a bit of a non-complaint, but it's easy to see how a character like Garnet's a better pick than Freya.
Having a slim handful of bosses that require you to target differently or use attacks of a different flavor isn't a very strategically demanding ordeal and, if anything, they only highlight how brainless the majority of the combat gameplay is. There aren't even interesting decisions to make outside of combat, unlike other FF titles.
Could have more thief mechanics incorporated into gameplay, like stealing from NPCs, ambushing or setting traps for bosses, sneaking into dungeons, etc.
Is tetra master fun? The seemingly random outcome and mechanics interactions aren't, to me.
Ayyy.
Suppose so, just not a fun time to play around. I guess it's a means of limiting the player and forcing them outside their comfort zone, but it feels jank when the game forces mechanical investment in characters while not keeping unused ones up to snuff.

Like fuck, Chrono Cross got brought up and that's a game where you can run from nearly every boss fight in the game and even use traps to steal those bosses' moves.

I know you're here

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Steiner is 1.90m, how tall is she?

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>8 had the best gameplay
YEAH DRAW 'EM
>story
so you know there's this war between sorceresses that leaves many children orphaned, and when they grow up they go to universities where they get trained as mercenaries, and they get hired to kill an evil sorceress who's manipulating a dictator, only they can't do it because deep inside she's not evil, she's only being manipulated by another sorceress from the future, and in fact she was the head of the orphanage that took in the war orphans in the first place, but the war orphans couldn't remember any of it but some of them remember a bit of it which is why they can't kill the evil I mean good sorceress, who by the way is married to the university dean, but he isn't really the power behind the university as it is owned by an evil alien who never shows up before or after, and also the sorceress from the future wants to rule over existence itself so that's why she wants to destroy time itself, but she can't do it on her own as she needs the power of another powerful sorceress who incidentally is one of the war orphans who remembers nothing, and the war orphans also dream that they were soldiers in the war in such a way that they share their dreams like in Inception, but it's not really a dream because those soldiers are alive and in charge of the country they had fought against, and these dreams are actually visions produced by a shy girl who was also their friend in the orphanage but they don't remember, and in order to stop the evil sorceress from the future they have to go to space and then travel in time while she is compressing time itself, so when they do defeat her, time can be re-stabilised and powers can go back in time to establish a stable time loop but this is the good ending because time didn't get destroyed
>characters
not even going into this one

tldr

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FF9 is a mechanically simple game that takes several steps backwards on innovations made within its own franchise.

Can you FUCK OFF
Why do you always post the shitty one? I've made better version of that drawing

Liar

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I keep asking you guys to use this one, it's a lot better I don't even have that old one saved anymore

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>FF9
>worst FF
>gayest villain
>best ost
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what the fuck Yea Forums

I can't. He's my all-time favorite FF character

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Any fucking character YOU FUCKING CREATE in the original goddamn game.
Fuck your goddamn storyshit Final Fantasy storygames.

Steiner > Vivi > Freya > Zidane > Quina > Eiko > Blank > Marcus > Cinna >>> Amarant >>>>>>> Garnet > Beatrix

One of the best parts of 9, loved the music during it.

>creating characters
Literal autism

You're autistic as fuck but I respect the hustle. Garnet is a great waifu

I don't know what hustle means, I'm not a nigger

Can we all agree FFIX had the worst girls in any FF game?
Probably the only game I ever played where a furry was best girl.

beatrix is one of the top 5 ff girls.
garnet is for every ass-lover. im still into tifa cus of the huge tits. but garnet.. yea i understand. its like supporting icemages while being a firemage. every aspect has its own appeal.

>best ost
How even?

Is it ever explained how Seifer did this, other than by being a total badass?

What an incredibly unfitting theme used until the battle actually starts.
People praise the music in this game why?

by being a total badass.
even tho, he himself, is quite a dumb character actually. his whole arc is dumb as fuck in retrospective.

Always figured it had to do with Gilgamesh.

I can’t think of a FF girl worse than Beatrix. Maybe Rinoa, Penello... that’s about it

>watching a fucking barely interactive movie and calling it videogames
Literal FUCKING STUPIDITY.

He is just a total badass knight

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But Rinoa has sexy feet

Fuck, the cast of IX is so good.

Nothing else thought to attack Odin first.

Seifer and Squall rivalry seemed so cool on the opening CG. Then it turns out he sided with the evil sorceress because it was his fetish. Fucking lame.

Hitler

It's called the rose of may and is Beatrix theme music, it's playing there because for 5 miniutes you get fight with a character that kicks your party's ass before in a few boss battles, and that is awesome.

why was this fucker so carefree compared to most other FF characters?

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Backlash over Marche

It's one of the best you pleb. And the last real FF.

IX was so bad I shat on the disc and threw it out of the window three hours into the game, I was so frustrated that I wasted so much time on it.

You don't like FF and you never did.

9 is mediocre at best.

IX is total shit kiddy game, cope.

>The cast of IX is so good
>Half their plots get exposited at you instead of explored in actual arcs.
>Their entire characterization can and is summarized in single-sentence lines--they are entirely two dimensional, embodying these characteristics and little else
>Designs all over the fucking board, from lolicon and furrybait to platemail shorts and literally a blackmage (nostalgia pandering).
>Fucking Quina
>Entire plot arcs lose momentum as the plot dictates, for several characters the majority of their dialogue is in optional scenes that break gameplay flow.
>Mechanically boring characters that bring nothing new to the franchise.
Oh yeah really great cast, absolutely.

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Getting to have Beatrix in your team is cool.
Her theme is fine, although it's not something I personally enjoy.
It just doesn't feel fitting at all to the scene present.

1 5 and 9 are the best by system. oh 12 is best ps2.

>Last real FF
Every fag will say this about their favorite FF.
It's the easy way to spot some dipshit who doesn't actually enjoy video games.
Eat shit.

As if you wouldn't do the same for mommy sorceress, Robin Williams couldn't resist her charms what chance did seifer have?

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>Thinking 9 is better than 7 or 8
What an absolutely shit opinion
>Thinking 12 is better than 10
Oh, you're one of those people.

Never played his game, but I liked FFTA.
Should I?
What's it like?

I won't disagree about 1 and 5 (5 is my favorite in the series) but saying that 9 is better than its predecessors is wrong.

FF9 completely destroy 7, it's not even funny

Except with 9 it's true.
X killed the series.

I'm curious why you think 9 destroys 7. I think differently, but I'm wondering why you hold it in such high regards, especially comparatively.
Same thing here with X. I actually think X did a ton of things right and represented Final Fantasy making the transition to a new gen console really strongly. I wonder why you think X killed the series and why you consider the series dead at all.

9 was the worst selling game since 4
The team working on it thought they were making some spin-off game that's why nearly every FF spin off uses that chibi artstyle. No effort just a retread into familiar ground and it does nothing new

No, you're an autist

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>every single party member had a fully realized character arc
Eh, Freya's isn't really. Her storyline gets dropped almost entirely. Besides, arc or no, that doesn't stop them from being annoying as shit for the vast majority of the game. Not every character in a story needs an arc, anyway. Giving too much attention to side characters and take attention away from the main story and main characters.

>surely you can acknowledge it is amongst the best written games in the series.
From a purely writing perspective probably. The main writing issue for me is that the character arcs are blatant and exaggerated. I do not like the characters. They are all childish, immature and obnoxious. There's no subtlety at all with the growth arcs. They are all awkward, on-the-nose character growth except maybe for Zidane and Garnet.

But the bigger problem is that it seems as if, in order to get all this story and character development into the game, FF9 sacrifices gameplay. FF9 takes the series' linearity to new levels. You can't allow the player to freely move about the world when you have this elaborate world-changing plot. FF9 also wrests control from the player every time you enter a new area in order to have character dialog and ATE's completely ruining the sense of the actual PLAYER being able to freely explore the world.

It might not be as bad as the literal hallway simulators that would follow, but it's still way too restrictive for me. Even the linear SNES games felt more open.

LOL those weren't drawn seriously, Zidane died in the end of the game there's no way I could beat him up he's already dead

What a fucking autist, I'm not reading all that shit you just typed

>Name ONE character in all of Final Fantasy that is better than Adelbert Steiner.
easy

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lol guess you didn't read any of ff9's plot either
otherwise you'd know it's shit

spot on.
What you say is true, all of it.

Litfag who wasted time in college pursuing a grad degree in this shit here; it's not the best written in the franchise by any margin.

He deserved better than what he got.

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FF9 isn't a terrible game, but it's easily the most overrated game in existence. It's cut from the same cloth as 8 and 10, where they started focusing more on graphics and story instead of content. Each of those games is half the game 7 was and a couple shitty card games and a sport dont make up for the all the shit you could do in games like ff7, dq7, star ocean 2, ect.

Freya is still a top tier girl. And it's a shame they didnt make the time give her anything nice at all.

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Samefag

Same.

>ff7 better than 9
>dq7 better than dq8, dq5, dq11, let alone ff9
>star ocean 2 (lol)
>furfag has dogshit opinions
Sasuga

I think there's a dramatic shift with FFX. I should say killed the classic series. You could call X onwards a different series entirely and it would fit.
I don't care about sales. Most people are plebs. Look no further than how underrated 5 is.

why did he have such reverence for vivi's magic?

>It's cut from the same cloth as 8 and 10, where they started focusing more on graphics and story instead of content.
Outside of the first two games, all FF has been is graphics and story.>a couple shitty card games and a sport dont make up for the all the shit you could do in games like ff7
You mean more shitty minigames?
The only game in that list that has something more is SO2 by virtue of having pickpocketing and a pretty shallow dating sim minigame.

>lady lunafreya

How is a character with minimial screentime and no character good?

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>You mean more shitty minigames?

More shitty mini games and an assload of optional places like wutai, Gongaga, fort condor, the sunken plane, that mountain by Cosmo canyon.

>this tiger looks fucking cool, bet he will be one of my favorite character
>irrelevant after his introduction
wtf

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>an assload of optional places like wutai, Gongaga, fort condor, the sunken plane, that mountain by Cosmo canyon.
The same as FF8, 9 and whatever else then.
Cool beans.

>Dramatic shift with FFX
Aside from a move away from ATB and a focus on 100% rendered screens instead of filler world map travel, I'm curious what else you see has a complete departure that 'killed' the classic series. If anything, 12's shift to a real time system feels like more of an abandonment of the systems that defined the franchise, but I'd like to read more of an articulation from you.

serves you right furry bara fag

What are the optional places in ff8 and 9?

>literally the last character to get his EX
fat knight guy a shit

Was meant for

...what was optional in 9 again?
Two or three hidden bosses?
A pointless, never-explained card game?
Catching frogs and jumping rope?
Finding out Garnet's actually called Sarah?
Really some compelling stuff.

I know FF8 has that deep sea lab that has Bahamut and Eden.

Plus that weird furry village

What? Beatrix is the best girl in that game. Who else? Garnet? Bloody Eiko? Friendzone Freya? Ruby the thot? Irrelevant Lani? That female genome ex machina in Terra? The best girl is clearly Beatrix.

The shitposting is unreal
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I just started, he seems like a comic relief. Does he get treated better later in the game?

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>What are Odin's palace, the Shumi village, the sea lab and dungeon, the chocobo forests, chocobo heaven etc.
You're a hypocritical moron with a massive case of nostalgiafaggotry, just like the rest of this cancerous, obnoxious fanbase.
You're the same kind of faggot that pretends FF was ever different from the trash it is now.

Yes, Rusty is best bro.

Well dont you look like a retard
jegged.com/Games/Final-Fantasy-IX/Side-Quests/

I named him Steve in my playthrough. It just works

I don't love either one but 7 is better than 9 in many ways.

- FF7's combat is fluid and well-paced. FF9's was so bad it led to square ditch ATB entirely for FF10.
- FF7 has mostly mature adult characters. FF9 has only children and childish adults, obnoxious retarded ones at that.
- FF7 has the materia system which leads to good build variety and meta-game. FF9 has passive abilities which wind up being just mindless rock/paper/scissors shit to get the proper immunities and damage bonuses before any fight that matters. Honestly I was so disappointed with FF9's class system, which in theory I should I have liked better than FF7 (I am a big fan of FF4). But they fucked it up.
- FF7 is focused on its own story. FF9 tries to cram in so many callbacks and references it gets very distracting.
- FF7's tone is consistently serious with occasional comic relief and lighter tone. FF9's tone is consistently flippant and playful, which undermines the horrific shit that happens(constantly) like this: youtube.com/watch?v=Mohx5vcg98g and this: youtube.com/watch?v=Hg2bJ4dYW8A. In the SNES games I didn't mind it so much, because the stories were also fast-paced and cartoonish. FF9 is an elaborate story and all these major tragedies and amazing FMVs have no emotional impact because the tone is so screwed up.

cope

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8 was literally the only final fantasy I stopped playing halfway through because of how fucking stupid it was. I liked squall but beyond that, fuck no. Looked up the rest of the story and I'm glad I didn't finish it.

>Lol we all grew up in the same orphanage but forgot each other because memory loss GFs lmao xD

Garbage

yes there's a payoff. But you have to put up with him being a ridiculous stooge of a character for a long fucking time.

Most of those are awful. Shitty minigames and fetch quests. Or that boring chocobo and the mog mail that you can fuck up bar yourself from finishing. But at least those two have neat little places to visit at the end.

Do you have more than 2 for ff9? You listed less for two games that what Iisted for one. Further more, why are you being such a cunt over a stupid video game? This his more do with my point of ff9 fans being hyper zealous hipsters.

>- FF7's combat is fluid and well-paced. FF9's was so bad it led to square ditch ATB entirely for FF10.
Its literally the exact same combat system
>- FF7 has mostly mature adult characters. FF9 has only children and childish adults, obnoxious retarded ones at that.
So you like edgy emo characters and dislike well written ones that arent edgy and emo
Got it
>- FF7 has the materia system which leads to good build variety and meta-game.
I agree that is FF7's main strength
>FF9 has passive abilities which wind up being just mindless rock/paper/scissors shit to get the proper immunities and damage bonuses before any fight that matters.
That is so fucking wrong I dont know where to start
How exactly is it like rock paper scissors? What?
The passive abilities works almost exactly like Materia only you can permanently learn the skills and you can only combine a certain amount
Its just a balanced materia system
>Honestly I was so disappointed with FF9's class system
It doesnt have one, have you even played FF9?
>- FF7 is focused on its own story. FF9 tries to cram in so many callbacks and references it gets very distracting.
What the fuck does that even mean
>- FF7's tone is consistently serious with occasional comic relief and lighter tone.
So you just contradicted yourself in one sentence
Something cannot be "consistently serious" if it has comic relief
Its a serious story broken up with some of the wackiest shit in vidya ever, like gay wrestling, snowboarding after aeris becomes a corpse, dressing up as a woman and getting nearly fucked by a fat old man, a dude in a fursuit, ect.
>FF9's tone is consistently flippant and playful, which undermines the horrific shit that happens
So you have a blatant double standard
Its OK when FF7 breaks its tone with a jarringly bizarre sequence, but when FF9 has tragic moments in its story its "undermining"
>FF9 is an elaborate story but has no emotional impact
Probably because you're autistic and also in love with FF7

>Find shit in zones that you've already been to
>Satisfy Friendly Monster requests
>Give a guy some coffee
>Jump Rope
>Collect frogs
>three hidden bosses
>beat game in 12 hours (pathetic)
>Find out Garnet's real name is Sarah
Oh wow it's nothing

>Furiously links a top google result that makes it look like the pathetic amount of optional content in FF9 is abundant when solely Golden Saucer has more content inside of it than the entirety of that list
Well don't you look like a retard

>Freya is still a top tier girl.
Thank you for confirming you're full of shit and y our opinion is worthless.

Its no more or less good/bad than any other FF sidequests

Jesus christ
Whats the point of even discussing anything with these obnoxious 7fags

X had towns and turn based battles. It only dropped the world map which is a huge strike against it, but it certainly feels a lot more like the older games than 11 onward.

So which one is better? I'm not trying to be litfag at all, and it should be clear I do not like FF9's story much at all. But I do think it's the best-written story in the mainline series (although I have not played 8 or 10).

>this is your average IXfag

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Anyone who says 9 is better than 7 is a complete moron. Even Final Fantasy 6 wishes it could be as good as 7. Final Fantasy 7 is a much better game than 9 because seven ate nine. :^)

Agrias Oaks
Cidolfus Orlandeau
Ashe B'nargin Dalmasca
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You having double standards and an irrational hatred for FF9 doesnt make anything you say less retarded

Whatever confirms your own opinion, bro.

>Literally the exact same combat system
Oh yeah I remember casting magic with any of my characters in FF9, utilizing the materia and character setups I had been cultivating between fights. It was exactly the same as FF7, all the way down to having four characters present in incredibly slow combat against bloated health enemies, where every character got a personal skill that let them deal maximum damage every turn, invalidating any sense of worthwhile growth otherwise. Trance!
Not even going to address the rest of your post, you fucking mental midget. I'm not claiming FF7's combat is great, but insisting they're literally the same is a joke.

>well written ones that arent edgy and emo
Yeah man like Zidane who falls into a depression and literally calls his friends twits for no good reason

Alphinaud Leveilleur

It's the ATB system, stop acting like they are radically different
Aside from being able to cast magic with any character (which is irrelevant in FF9 because your whole party is present on the field at all times until end game) there is functionally zero differences
Trance is just limit break without a button press

Noctis Lucis Caelem

>neo-Yea Forums hates ff9
Classic Yea Forums contrarians

>you're autistic
There is is again, FFIX user.
This keeps coming up any time someone explains why they don't like your favorite game.
You keep saying that word...

This is my problem with ff9 fags. Any criticism for their precious masterpiece is "irrational" because no sound mind could ever hate something so flawless. If they were on this chart, the bar would be way higher than apple.

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Yeah man fuck these 7fags being right about which games have measurably less optional content. Obnoxious!

>Catching frogs or doing 100 jump rope hops is no more or less good/bad than having an optional entire town with several screens, characters, enemies, and a plot arc that develops multiple characters.
I'm curious what makes you say this kind of wild shit, user.

True, but wrong pic.

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>Any character from FF13
>Better than any other character, let alone Steiner
Nope

Maechen the scholar from FFX
youtube.com/watch?v=LYkSyI3aKSw

Because catching frogs and jumping rope is 2 things out of about 30, dumb cunt

Really depends on the basis we're judging the fiction by.
For instance, Final Fantasy XIII has fantastic lore and one of the most compelling pantheons and histories put together for any of the games in the entire franchise, but the story presented and its dialogue varies from worthwhile to horseshit.
Final Fantasy 8 has better beat-by-beat story than many give it credit and, if considered isolated from the rest of the game, the first disc is absolutely fantastic. However, when considered overall, it's a goddamn mess.
To actually answer your question, I'd say that 10 probably balances itself the most.

FFT Ivalice > FF9 world

Dude chill, he didn't even play those games and it's just regurgitating buzzwords

he aint the best character, but he sure is my favorite. always finds a way to crack me up

And this is my problem with anti-ff9 fags
You find any retarded reason to pretend this isnt objectively the highest rated ff of all time

9 has more side content than 7 easily though, lol

About time, 10 is the only one that deserves the crown.

>Its literally the exact same combat system
not even close. Even once you get past the insane 15-second transitions (FF4 is like 2 seconds, FF7 is maybe 6 seconds), FF9's combat is full of long animations (not even counting summons which are expected to be long) combine that with 4-character party and the ATB queue is often overloaded.
>How exactly is it like rock paper scissors? What?
Enemy has ability that causes petrify, so you equip jelly.
Enemy is a bird, so you equip bird-killer.
This all happens outside of combat so there's no tactical decisions or anything. In many if not most cases there will be some obviously optimal configuration.
>It doesnt have [a class system], have you even played FF9?
Don't be retarded.
>So you like edgy emo characters and dislike well written ones that arent edgy and emo
Amarant is not edgy and emo? Fucking lol.
No. I prefer a cast that is predominantly adult (or teen) and at least behave with some plausible degree of humanity, unlike Steiner who is a literal fucking cartoon stooge for 90% of the game. Or Amarant who is so fucking edgelord it's ridiculous. Or Eiko who is a 6 year old brat. Or Quina another ridiculous over-the-top portrayal "he's obsessed with food, get it!!?!??" I wouldn't even mind any one or maybe even two of those characters in a different story. But cramming all of these crazies into one party just kills it for me.
>Its OK when FF7 breaks its tone with a jarringly bizarre sequence
Every story should have some comic relief. Nothing wrong with a bizarre or unusual sequence here or there. But with FF9 I just cannot take any of those serious events seriously because none of the characters or writers seem to be taking it seriously either, most of the time. Even in that Lindblum sequence, Vivi has to trip and fall on his face right before Atomos is shown sucking away half the city. By the time Garnet and Zidane are shown reacting, it's too late.

Dude, if someone you knew got cancer and you provided emotional support for them, would you then be totally fine with coming down with cancer yourself?

>Trance is just limit break without a button press
You're right--who would ever want to choose not to use their Limit break right when they receive it. It's also really cool how Limit Break puts your character in a state where they are healed of status effects and have their stats boosted and get to use unique abilities for several turns.
Yeah man, aside from an entire action function and modular passive skill system that works completely different, they're practically the same! It's ATB, literally the same combat system as Chrono Trigger!

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>Zidane died in the end of the game
lol what?

What are the other 30 things?
Oh yeah they're
>Talk to this NPC
or
>Find this item in a town
Really compelling side content, wow.

>professional reviews count when I agree with them.

And it literally doesnt. You're trying to compare catching frogs and shit to defending fort condor or that actually pretty long segment when yuffie robs you and you have to chase her all around her home town.

My character in ffxiv

>But with FF9 I just cannot take any of those serious events seriously because none of the characters or writers seem to be taking it seriously either

I love when cleyra gets destroyed and zidane literally doesnt care or say anything to freya at all.

Cant

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His character from FF14

He too good

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Sorry boys, FFIV DS is the best Final Fantasy.

>>FF9 is an elaborate story but has no emotional impact
>Probably because you're autistic and also in love with FF7
It has emotional impact at times, especially if you can manage to make it all the way to the ending, which is great. But there are also MANY times where the story should have emotional impact, but doesn't, because the tone or pacing is off. For some more examples of moments that don't work for me:

- Brahne attacking the theater ship
- Petrification of Blank
- Beatrix suddenly becoming a good guy after leading a genocide and laughing at the victims in the previous scene.
- Brahne's death. Really anything involve Brahne's character at all just doesn't work.

There's more, but I haven't played the game in probably 2 years. That said, I did really enjoy the Bahamut vs Alexander scene. Bahamut attacking Brahne's fleet was OK. I guess 30 hours into the game I'm finally starting to be immersed.

Based user. Absolutely based.

>9 has more side content than 7 easily though lol
9's 'side' content is LITERALLY:
>Half a dozen one-off minigames like jumprope or hippo races
>Finding hidden items on worldmap
>Finding hidden items in stages
>Fetch Quests
>Optional bosses
>Two small towns that only facilitate the above
7's optional content includes
>Two towns with entire story arcs
>Two entirely optional characters
>An entire underwater submarine section with a small dungeon and boss fights
>Materia fetching / leveling
>Chocobo raising / racing
>Fight Arena
>A dozen one-off minigames like rock paper scissors, submarine fight, skateboarding, midgar bike chase
>3 end-game optional bosses, several others like Pagoda fights, Turks underwater, Midgar Zolom.
Yeah man more than 7 easily.

>Trance is just limit break without a button press
this is one case where I'm fine with FF9. Trance kind of sucks but I hated Limit Breaks in FF7. I thought they dumbed down the combat too much and was a lot of wasted potential since they are all basically just big damage attacks. No the problems with the FF9 combat system have to do with pacing and timing.

Yeah.
If anything, I'd be more prepared, because I'd have known someone who went through it.

>implying learning you're a clone is anything like having cancer
Yeah no I get why you defend 9, it's no biggie.

>is a total bro when asked for help
>shows utmost respect
>no one gives him the time of day half the time
For as much as he shows up, you’d think one of the characters would be nice to the guy for once

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nearly every appearance of Gilgamesh is great.

I say nearly because there was a DLC boss in XV that was just some generic ass 1 armed samurai demon that had zero charm

When he ditched the party to see Kuja it's because he was horny and he's a homo so he wanted to butt fuck him.
Remember when the vines chased him? He got stuck and actually died
Look at the credits sequence for FFVIII, it shows what happens after you beat the boss
FFIX just shows scenes throughout the game
That's because Zidane died and he's having his life flash before his eyes

right, I think FF9 actually tells one coherent story more successfully than any other game in the main series except possibly FF7 (maybe FF10 again, have not played that one). I don't like the tone or the characters, but it follows through on its themes and development.

Personally I prefer the stories in the SNES games, because they are up-front about not taking themselves too seriously. They are cartoony stories with maybe 1-4 hours of dialog and cutscenes, vs 10+ hour stories of the later games. But, I have to admit that the longer stories do a much better job portraying character depth than the SNES games.

First, I'm not arguing that FF9 has more side content, but your list is flawed:

FF9:
>Story side content like Garnet's true Name
>Monster Arena in Treno
>Black Jack at the end of the game
>FF9 also has 3 optional endgame bosses Hades, Ozma and Quina's Master
>Tetra Masters

And the following in FF7 is not side content:

>snowboarding (Yeah that's what it is called btw)
>midgar bike chase
>submarine fight
>underwater submarine section

Just cause you can replay it doesn't mean it is side content. But yeah the time you can spend on FF7's side content is arguably longer than the time you spend on FF9's side content.

This was when garnet visited the burmecian refugee ghetto in lindblum and nearly overdosed on musky rat dick.

That never happened, take your cuck fantasies somewhere else faggot

Fantastic character design. Made my dick diamonds.
Shit character though. She doesn't just switch sides she becomes a completely different character for no reason at all.

>no reason at all

She always had a problem with Brane and it is made very obvious in the game. Her problem is that she is also a knight who wants to stay true to her oath, so when she finaly realizes that Brane is a piece of shit she obviously becomes happier because she got rid of her dilemma.

The original argument was that the QUALITY of FF9's optional content was higher, but that's simply not true.
So then insists that
>9 has more side content than 7 easily though
Which is also quantifiably false.
I don't understand what you're trying to argue at this point, user, but I do know what I am arguing;
9's optional content is shit. Tetra masters is fucking awful. Chocobo collecting is a fucking chore. I hate all that shit.

>I'm sure at one point she was going to be a party member
Nah, I think she was always meant to be a Guest-Star Party Member. Beatrix is still love

>tfw Beatrice is pic related

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Triple Triad > Tetra Masters

That still pales in comparison to:
The big yuffie town quest
Clouds flashback in nibelheim where he remembers zach's death before that psp game ruined it.
Vincent and his handful of scenes. Particularly find sephiroths mom.
Zach's hometown which you can completely skip.
The videos in the snow town showing aeris' real parents.
The plane
The forest area near Cosmo canyon
Fort condor long before you need the huge materia. Honestly one of the funnest little minigames in the series.
Sweet sweet chocobo incest. Which also gives meaning to racing your chocobos and honestly the two parts of getting the gold chocobo are way better than the hot and cold thing in 9 if you ask me.
Hell, ff7 *did* have something like hot and cold. Digging for items in that small camp in the north. With a cool reward of going back to sector 8.

I'm arguing that the list was bad and pointed out why. My post gave you all the Information you need to see that yourself btw.

Yeah, FF7 did have a huge ton of good side content.

Alright
But
We've both played both of these games, right
Then you should be well fucking aware
FF7 has MORE optional content of much higher quality
So what the fuck are you prattling on about?

user, I never said anything else, did you read what I said at the start of my post? I literally said I'm not arguing that it has more side content, at the end I even said you can spend more time on FF7's side content. Please stop being retarded.

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Considering FFIX is the only final fantasy that I could stand to finish, it's automatically the best FF for me. FF series in general are overrated as shit.

she leads a genocide in Clerya and laughs at those pathetic weaklings as they die. Then suddenly has some moral crisis about an oath and becomes virtuous.

>Hell, ff7 *did* have something like hot and cold. Digging for items in that small camp in the north. With a cool reward of going back to sector 8.
and that's way better than Hot&Cold which is one of the dumbest fucking minigames in the entire serious. The digging game in FF7 is at least a game. In Chocobo H&C you just fucking mash the buttons randomly until you get a prize. The field is constantly re-randomized so trying to pay attention or go in with anything like a strategy is pointless. It's dumber than a rigged carnival game.

She kills nobody during the siege, she gets the jewel and gets out of there. Also she doesn't laugh about them at all. After the battle she even questions why she blindly follows queen branes orders, it's part of her character development.

>i haven't played the game or skipped most of the non story content so it doesn't exist

Owner of the tied best combat theme of a video game female ever:

youtube.com/watch?v=HqhUDIqx9TI

It's like the designer is allergic to... well, design.

Damn, I forgot the principle was just Robin Williams as an anime mentor. How many other obvious examples of celeb standins are there in the series?
>Barret is Mr. T
>Kefka is a reskin of the Joker

>That part where steiner getst trance
Kino desu
Its like going super sayayin for the one you love

I want to peel off her jumpsuit, turn it inside out, and lick it clean. Fuck.

It's neat as a variation of "Loss of Me" but as female combat themes go I have to go with these:

J-E-N-O-V-A (if 'she' counts):
youtube.com/watch?v=--ijjuvQMW8

Serpent Eating the Ground from Bravely Default:
youtube.com/watch?v=OLBTIUzPpEQ

The Extreme from FF8:
youtube.com/watch?v=RVkcmx2l3WA

Sabin Rene Figaro

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>Steiner > Vivi > Freya > Zidane
literally my favorite party
based

No one gives a rat's ass about this bitch

I dislike his chainmail shorts, they look so goofy. But I think that's the charm of his character, you're not supposed to take him seriously.