Why do Chrono Trigger fans hate it so much?

Because a sequel without much of an actual connection to Trigger ended up being the better game. They still can't let it go.

>nostalgia goggles
Chrono Cross is an incoherent mess more concerned with being the anti Chrono Trigger at every single step.
If they had one iota of that same concern for making a decent game it would have been ok.

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Retconning how time travel works just to make the Trigger cast look evil. The early scene of Nadia going to the void until you save the queen clearly makes it Back To the Future rules yet Cross declares it's the new dimension rule with the added bonus of everyone in the old dimension to have every existed getting sent to the cosmic junk drawer to be eaten reeks of edge.

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Why do dipshit threads start off with emotionally charged headline?

people hate chrono cross because they're so concerned with sucking trigger's cast off so much that they forget cross is about undoing them getting their assholes ripped open

Literally all Square needed to do was to make Trigger again on the PlayStation with PS production values.

Imagine: They visit the medieval world, the future, the ancient world? They could throw more in, like an obvious Roman era.

Problems:

1. They didn't have the original team. This includes the original directors, and specifically Akira Toriyama for designs.

2. Way too many characters.

3. Feels insanely disconnected to CT.

4. Story is a meandering mess.

It's an EXCELLENT game but a bad Chrono Trigger sequel. Its does so many things right on its own but it will be overshadowed by Trigger forever.

Why does something so trivial trigger you so easily?

they couldnt beat it

Why is the Dream Devourer in Trigger so much stronger in combat then the Time Devourer? I can accept it can't properly be defeated without the Chrono Cross but it dies pretty fast if you just want to kill it in Cross.

5: Battle system regresses

CT was trying to innovate the J-rpg formula by having battles occur on the same screen as exploration, and have enemies being seen and avoidable. CC just does the lazy standard FF style random battles. It allows for better visuals, but that's it.

CC should ahve een more like Parasite Eve. 2D backgrounds, more dynamic battles. PE was directed by one of the CT directors, and you can tell.

Why are dipshits like you projecting so much?

I recently got into this series and I found Cross to be the more enjoyable of the two.

You do realise that Trigger wasn't at all consistent in how its time travel worked, right?

because its a fucking mess of a game and its fans are willing to overlook its massive flaws because it has good music

Only game, when I was a kid, that I played 48hrs straight with no sleep. Really in my top 5

Because how the fuck where you going to know the exact order of elements to cast and when to start casting them your first time playing

Except that when you look past the enemies being on screen, CT has a boring as fuck battle system and CC has a wholly unique battle system that's actually interesting. Also CT had plenty of areas where the battles were mandatory and couldn't be avoided at all.

>It's an EXCELLENT game

And that's all that's important. I don't give a fuck if it was trying to be a sequel to Trigger or not (it obviously wasn't, otherwise it would have been CT2).

I fucking hate people that think every game needs to be deeply connected to its predecessor just because it adopts the same mythos. Nobody complains about this shit when Zelda does it, or when Final Fantasy does it.

I mean just killing it, fighting it normally, forget all about using the Cross to save Schala, when you fight it in Trigger, the best you can do is smack it around enough to wake her up so she can tell you that you can't save her and that Magus can't save her with power which is why he wipes his memory to become Guile.

Cross is deeply connected though and fucking suffers for it at every turn. Hell, Cross would greatly benefit from stripping the Chrono Trigger plotlines from the game and pretending to be a whole new thing the way Zelda games do.

>CT has a boring as fuck battle system

They're at least innovating and not just doing the same. PE and later VS tried more innovations.

> and CC has a wholly unique battle system that's actually interesting.

Oh please. It's the same turn-based nonsense as FF7. Because of FF7's huge success, they kept using this wildly out dated systems. These games sold despite the battle systems.

CC's system is such a step back. PE really feels like what CC should have been.

not the guy you were replying to. But as someone that never booted up the game past the intro song because of this sole fucking reason. Would you say that it's a solid game to play mechanic wise? Like if the plot isn't complete shit like i've been led to believe, would it be worth a playthrough?

>CC just does the lazy standard FF style random battles.
What the fuck am I reading?

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Do you like PS1 JRPG's? If no then you might be better off just watching an LP from someone who know's how the game works like HCBailly's LP.

Chrono Cross had characters? I've seen only cardboard cutouts.

Because change=bad. It's too different from CT, so they just can't accept it as its own thing. They also think that it somehow retcons Trigger. Even though the actual plot has been explained a few times in this thread already. The presentation, characters, music, and setting are all fantastic. Even the dialog quirk is pretty fun. Honestly, the only part I don't like is the spell system, and how the leveling, or really lack their of, works.

It has a character, just Kid and maybe Harle.

>Chrono Trigger threads:
>"Man, Chrono Trigger was great. The characters, music, and battle system were all pretty much perfect."

>Chrono Cross threads:
>"FUCK CHRONO TRIGGER, AND FUCK TRIGGERFAGS! TRIGGERFAGS RUINED OUR GAME'S REPUTATION; IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY, I TELL YOU! THIS IS LITERALLY THE GREATEST GAME ON EARTH, AND TRIGGERFAGS WANT TO HIDE THAT FROM THE WORLD! GOD I HATE CHRONO TRIGGER FANS SO FUCKING MUCH oh and the game's good, too, I guess, maybe."

Man, you guys sure do have a victim complex, huh? I almost never see anyone talk about the game in these threads; they're all too busy shitting on Chrono Trigger and the people who like it. You guys are so aggressive about your opinions, with very little substance behind them, and you wonder why people hate your shitty game? Cross is ass, and it will stay ass as long as its fanbase does.

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CT is largely fondly remembered. CC is largely not remembered. The popular consensus was "what the fuck was that?". Therefore CC fans get defensive.

and they made the system it works with confusing for no good reason.

If only Chrono Break got somewhere past

>Let's make a new Chrono Break for the PS2
>Shit we can't get the team back together, never mind.

There might be more to discuss, don't know what plotlines they'd try to wrap up though.

*new Chrono game called Chrono Break for the PS2.

CT fans are literal children.

CC is easily the best JRPG of all time.

Best ost in history of vidya

Why wouldn't square remaster it? They finally got around to doing FF8 but not this.

>JRPGs in general
>not made for children
The first JRPG ever made was Dragon Quest for the NES. Remind me how that ISN'T a children's game. Face it, this entire genre is for children.

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It has one of my favorite vidya openings
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>Why do Chrono Trigger fans hate it so much?
It shits all over the happy ending you spent 30+ hours working to earn in Trigger and replaces the old cast with a bloated one of literal whos.

I get what you're saying, but also literally any time CC is brought up in a thread, someone brings up how Trigger is better. Honestly, I think CT has some pretty glaring issues of its own, but I don't have any real issue with it in terms of enjoying CC. It's a rough way to start a thread, but pretending that it has no merits of its own, independent of its predecessor is nonsense.

I loved it, it felt like the first time a game was making a universe of itself instead of just gay NEXT sequels where MCs from the first game get their cocks sucked all day.

this.

CC is one of the games that manages to develop a really wide and interesting tapestry. It felt really grand and convincingly so.

>Would you say that it's a solid game to play mechanic wise?
Yeah, the battle system is pretty solid, almost all encounters you can see before they happen aside from a few bosses, and I think you can even run away from every fight except 1 and sometimes that gets you unique dialog
Mechanically the biggest pain is being able to use summons and having a low number of elements for use in battle at the start

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It's a sequel that in order to tell it's story, it has to completely shit on Trigger's story.

It just needs a remastered version

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT SHITS ALL OVER TRIGGER
>How
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CHRONO DIES
>But he was first killed in the PSX rerelease of Trigger, not in Cross
>W-WELL IT MAKES THE CAST OF TRIGGER LOOK LIKE VILLAINS
>Unintended consequences that you had no way of knowing about don't make you a villain though and the game never says what they did was wrong
>B-BUT IT INVALIDATES EVERYTHING
>Cleaning up a few loose ends doesnt invalidate all the work put in by someone else before
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'M A HUGE FAGGOT THAT JUST WANTS TO BE UPSET ABOUT 2 GAMES I NEVER ACTUALLY FINISHED

>>But he was first killed in the PSX rerelease of Trigger, not in Cross

Added in later to set up Cross though, same reason it or the DS version added the scene of Lucca finding baby Scala.

This, the only issue is the mostly fluff party members but the whole "each character having an algorithm that determines how they approach every line of dialogue" thing is pretty cool

>It shits all over the happy ending you spent 30+ hours working to earn in Trigger

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>nostalgia goggles

i think you might be a massive faggot

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>it was there to set it up
It wasn't, it was a possible bad future ending since Trigger had so many endings already and another was added, Cross was already being developed at the time and it wasn't til after this that the decision was made to make it a sequel
IE Trigger added another ending on its own to kill the cast and it wasn't until later that someone told the Cross team to run with that
>Lucca finding "Scala"
DS version almost 10 years later, definitely not setting anything up
Thanks for proving you never finished either game

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I always felt this was the most memorable track from CC.

shit game with a god tier OST. Mitsuda is really a boss. His sole fault is his battle themes are really weak.

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>can repeatedly tell Kid to fuck off and leave you alone and even leave her to die from poison
>you get better party members by doing this

i liked it

Chrono Cross is a good game, a good JRPG. We all just wanted a true sequel to CT.

Because Chrono Cross is better than Chrono Trigger.

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Best girl.

I didn't hate it but it was not what was expected and it could've been way better.

People were expecting a 3d chrono trigger sequel, a proper one. For the PS2.

They should have made the story about the fall of guardia kingdom and Porres uprising 5 years+ after the main game. New cast would have been fine but eventually would find out what happened to original cast. And the final boss should've been the dream devourer or something and the schala storyline would be completed somehow along with Magus.

They should've created a vast world like the one in chrono cross but with the main overworld with a great storyline and with optional sidequests and storylines,

it could have been a legendary game

Because it ruined trigger's happy ending. SE is infamous for that, they recently ruined FFX-2 happy ending with a stupid book that all japan HATES.

If you had to chooze between ze world or moi...which would you chooze?

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how does that prove he didn't play the game? you said the same thing as him except you needed to write twice as much to do it. you having to bend over backwards to explain this convoluted bullshit in a positive light that still sounds butt-fucking retarded isn't doing the game any favors.

Harle's story makes me sad. Her true ending is good though.

>And the final boss should've been the dream devourer or something and the schala storyline would be completed somehow along with Magus.

Uh, what did you think the final fight of Cross was? As for Magus, the DS version added content reimplying the dropped storyline for Cross where Magus was Guile in disguise.

Holy shit, I’ve never seen so many CC fans on one place. It’s one of my favorites and always has been. I also like it more than trigger because even if the plot falls apart at times, I still wanted to see where it went. And while some of the characters weren’t super deep, there were enough of the ones that did that it made a difference. God tier art direction and OST, I just love this game.

says the fag that didn't play Radical Dreamers

>Caring about shit that got wiped from canon.

I'm a different faggot that didn't play radical dreamers. I'm planning on replaying CT and CC. I fucking loved CC, possibly more than CT but I haven't played either in like 15 years. Does Radical Dreamers improve the overall experience?

Not really, Radical Dreamers is just act 1 of Cross in text adventure form and Kid being Scala instead of a clone. It got wiped from canon when they decided to turn the idea into a full game.

JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZ

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I did play it and it's not canon anymore, sorry that your attempt to prove how much you know failed

I think CC's story is way too over complicated for young gamers.

>how does that prove he didn't play the game?
>the characters are demigods
>the ghost forms you meet in the dead sea are children

I think it's just a mess suffering from too many characters and content cut at the last minute.

Honestly, I loved it.

The battle system was strangely ahead of... something, not sure I wanna call it ahead of its time, but it was just ahead, somewhere.

And even if you hate the story, how can you hate pic related?

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>His sole fault is his battle themes are really weak.
Nigger what?
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Hurricane is his only weak battle theme.

I like Hurricane.

CC's flaw is the story's lack of flow lack of memorable characters

Bro, Mitsuda is my number 1 dude in games, followed by Yoko Shimomura and then the normie tastes of Jeremy Soule.

I just don't think his battle themes stick with people like Uetmatsu or Motoi Sakuraba.

His non-game shit is fucking aces, though.

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Wait seriously? What happened?

>recently

Tidus kicks a bomb on a beach mistaking it for a sportball and it blows his head off.

In cross, it turns out all that shit you did to save the world destroyed it anyways but it talso destroyed the dimension nearby and the one after that so the new people have to use their new, enlightened power to punch fate in the face enough that he says it's OK. Everyone form the original game still dies a terrible death and all their achievements are undone, anyways.

In X-3 Tidus and Yuna break up then tidus dies and sin shows up again for literally no reason, actually none

Hearing the overworld right now. Man that shit is so heavy.

>Everyone form the original game still dies a terrible death

Well Crono, Marle, Lucca, and Robo at least. Magus is a maybe and Ayla/Glenn would be long dead before the invasion of Porre.

60+ Characters, 3 Party Member Slots. If this game were a strategy RPG akin to Fire Emblem or Shining Force, 60 would be fine, since those games usually allow 8/10/12, I forgot the exact number. Point is, it ratios better and makes more sense there. Not in here though where you don't even have the average 4 party members. Like, for fucks sake, that would be the bare minimum. In reality you'd need Suikoden amounts of party members here, which is 6. Also, what do you know; Suikoden, in spite of being a JRPG, managed to pull off having a massive amount of party members better than Cross. Go fucking figure since they had the brains to realize you can't do this shit with just 3.

Panzer Dragoon Saga did it well too

I always deeply related cross and suikoden I & II because of the large cast. I feel like suikoden was more comfortable with having characters who were clearly just there to pad the roster. It focused the story among the major players, instead of the more ambitious cast of cross that can fall flat.

Introducing bad end versions of the original tidy ending just so you can have something to fix is shitting all over it, yes.

Cross is just a hot mess with high production values and I'm starting to understand why people consider contrarianism to be an addiction.

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Yeah. Baten Kaitos II redeemed the characters for me.

And while the battle system is good on paper, it doesn't make you use the nifty stuff. Most bosses are DPS races while Trigger at least tried very hard to mix things up.

It changed the whole cast and artstyle

Despite being a sequel, it felt like a spin off

Dat OST tho

Can I play Cross without playing trigger? I have cross on my vita (lol) but no good setup for emulation right now.

It's an 8/10 rpg that actually innovated the overtly tired ff formula.

But it's miss on a bunch of stuff. Too many characters built around gameplay gimmicks to they point they have no relevance or permanence to the story. Basically 10 characters are relevant and everyone else is filler with annoying soeec gimmicks

Too retarded to understand the basic plot premise of infinite realities, a concept which was even in the first game. All Triggly arguments are literally "MUH TRIGGER CAST".

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If they wanted tons of characters they should've made it partly a monster catching game or something

Yes but you will miss all the references. Since Cross is a vastly better game you will be horribly disappointed by the shitty Trigger if you play it afterwards to understand the references.

That... didn't happen.

The plot of chross was basically "lavos survived and caused additional time fuckery with schals" and the rest were just references all the way until the end, when you discover 1 character from trigger was behind the main plot. Chrono's story isn't downplayed, without them cross couldn't have happened, but it's otherwise tangential.

>People are mad about how it handled the cast and conclusion to the story of the last game
>"They just don't understand it!"
You're not a very smart person.

>didn't understand it
>muh Trigger cast

QED

>You can't possibly dislike it if you understand it!
This is actually one of the stupidest arguments that a person can make in any scenario.

Because it felt more like weird Suikoden game than CT.

A fine example of really shitty writing and bad directing which fans desperately try to explain with their fucking headcanons and fan theories.

>makes wrong statement
>I totally understood it guyz

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>tfw no time displaced aussie clone gf

>Back To the Future rules
>brings Doan from ruined future after defeating Lavos

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Explain to me exactly where I made an incorrect statement and how. Be very specific without dodging the question and shitposting like a retard.

The cast defeated Lavos and created a future where project Kid was possible how is that shitty treatment? Or did you completely misunderstand what Home was?

One of the Chrono games had a dwarf cursing humans for polluting and accidentally driving the dwarfs out of their home... while committing genocide against fairies in their smog spewing tank. The writers didn't seem to notice the hypocrisy and expect you to sadly agree that humans are the real monsters.

It wasn't Trigger displaying writing that stupid.

>how is that shitty treatment
So you're arguing that people's opinions of what happened to characters are wrong. Looks like you're a complete fucking retard. You're also leaving out all of the ramifications of their actions, and what actually happens to them throughout Cross. Go be stupid somewhere else.

The thing is production values go a long way way to retard teenagers and kids. The soundtrack, the cutscenes, the waifus, the easy but fun combat, are enough to leave an impression on some fucking 13 year old. It's the same reason eva still gets circlejerked despite it being shit.

>The writers didn't seem to notice the hypocrisy

The Triggly inability to read is hilarious.

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They drive home the point that it was all relative. Fairies do the same things and in oart the human kingdom does too. Everyone has their bullsgit excuses for kiling each other

The game takes a rather explicit approach towards non violence. Almost every plotline laments it.

Because it's too different.

And it totally is.
I mean, I love it, it's fucking fantastic as a game, but as a direct sequel to Chrono Trigger, it's so weird.

>what actually happens to them throughout Cross

And here we have the classic failure to understand the basic multidimension plot.

They just can't leave nice things alone

They were expecting a sequel and they didn't get it

I still haven't played it.

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>It's just one timeline so it doesn't count!
Really, how fucking stupid do you have to be to think this? I'm actually baffled at how anyone can possibly be this retarded.

Because it's not CT 2.0 (and was never meant to be)
That's basically it.
It's a decent game with it's own strength and flaws, just like Trigger, but many CT fans seems to have a weird mental block just because of the name.

Overall I enjoyed CC more both back in the PSX days and few years back, but either way have spent unhealthy amount of hours replaying both games. Do wish people were abit more critical of CT's flaws as they are of CC, but it's hard to speak on this subject because people like to fallback on "it's innovative/revolutionary for its time" as if plenty other SNES titles weren't.

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>complains about Home
>doesn't about Trigger timelines where everyone turned into dinosaurs or Crono remains dead

Trigger and Cross follow the opposite side of the archetypical quest. Trigger is about the greater good, while Cross is about the worth of the individual. It is no surprise that NPCs hate Cross.

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Killing off half the main cast will generally do that

Because the game has a true ending that you can work towards, you fucking idiot. How do you not understand that people didn't want the feeling of accomplishment undone by basing the sequel on a bad version of events? Seriously, why are all "well you just didn't get it" faggots so retarded?

Because they realized they can never bone Kid. I never hated Chrono Cross because of that fact despite me wanting to be Serge when I was a preteen just so that I could bone kid and fill her with hot grey poupon.

>Not being faithful

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I had no idea he did Brain Hopper, how funny. It's probably my least favorite battle theme I've ever heard, but then he's also done top tier tracks like this so one not so great track isn't the worst.

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>undone

Good job not understanding the point of Home and Another. Triggerniggers keep crying about things they don't understand and then cry when people point out the obvious. Pathetic.

>No no no, they're not the same so ignore that this is what series of events the game is based off
>Trigger's ending is still fine!
I said "feeling of accomplishment was undone". Learn to read, you absolute fucking braindead monkey.

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