why do people say ff7 had good graphics for the time when tomb raider 1 came out a year before it and looks way better?
Why do people say ff7 had good graphics for the time when tomb raider 1 came out a year before it and looks way better?
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Landon Rivera
>why do people say ff7 had good graphics for the time
Did anyone really say that
You can even compare it to FF8 and 9 and it looks like a joke
Ryder Howard
people don't praise FFVII's aesthetics for the character models, especially not the ones outside of battle, you goofus.
Gabriel Hernandez
nobody says that
Anthony King
>that one dude who keeps telling me that ff7 had top tier graphics
Jace Mitchell
Tomb raider is a sequence of corridors and arenas and VII is huge.
Also, it was the CG cutscenes that made people lose their shit.
The concept of a pretty cutscene playing and impressing people is lost to zoomers since everything is either in game or barely better looking than actual gameplay
Isaiah Nelson
When you emulate things you don't get what the game looked back then. Using a non native resolution is akin to cheating since you're using something the original hardware couldn't render.
Asher Myers
I was really impressed by FMVs when I was 7. Tomb Raider had them too, but FF7 could do more with them given the setting.
Jack Sullivan
The fmvs were good and the battle animations were good
Jaxon Cook
Back then, FMVs were way more impressive, especially with how FFVII seamlessly integrated them without loading screens. That intro with the city zooming in on the train and immediately switching to gameplay was mindblowing at the time.
Connor Diaz
For me playing on native res is only worth it in 2d games since they dont scale at all unlike 3d games.
Benjamin Green
every time I've seen someone bring up how all the characters in ff7 look like lego they always defend it by saying "you just don't get it this looked amazing in 97"
Jose Scott
Tomb raider did not have cinematics nor 1000s of beautiful prerendered backgrounds. It was also tiny in scope.
I swear there's like a huge gap in this websites demographics, it's like this combination of bitter oldfags and zoom underages who perpetually spout horseshit about masterpieces to sound intelligent.
Luis Jones
Even back in the day I thought the popeye arms were goofy.
People put up with it because the rest of the game does in fact look good.
Elijah Stewart
Can't blame underage casuals for being retarded and not knowing any better.
We can however blame them for spouting dumb shit
Christopher Perry
It makes sense and I do too, I was just saying that if you're comparing "what people said about the graphics when these games came out" you should use the original hardware.
Joseph Bailey
>Tomb raider did not have cinematics
youtu.be
Aaron Myers
because you're a retard trying to compare ff7s field models, which were shit, to tombraiders models. they say it had good graphics because a) cutscenes were beyond anything at that time b) backgrounds and locations look 1000x better and c) battle models were quality for the time
tomb raider has ass backgrounds, any cutscenes were not stellar, and laras models whilst better than ff7s field models, were substantially worse than the battle models
Brody Sanchez
VII has almost 5 times that
And pre rendered backgrounds always looked better and even aged better than low poly 3D scenarios
Ethan Martinez
>it took this long for someone to mention FFVII's backgrounds
Literally the most striking thing about its presentation for sure. Back in the day, the backgrounds + music made Midgar and the rest of FFVII's world captivating in a way the mainstream hadn't experienced prior.
Gavin Anderson
N64fag here. I remember back in middle school looking through a Gameinformer magazine and seeing FF7. I really liked how the characters looked, and all very unique to each other based on limitations. I almost feel like they weren't meant to be seen that close up, that the originally done in a overhead view, probably isometric.
Zachary Flores
I just wanted to say that Lara is the best girl.
Peace.
Adam Cox
Bruh. Back in the day ff7 was the new hotness you have no idea. Absolutely serious. I can't promise you that there weren't other games with better polygons but still. I didn't use magic to kill things, I used magic to see the pretty graphics. The way the camera moved just worked for me. The game actually being fun probably helped some too.
The blocky character models outside of battle did weird me out at first but I got used to it.
Juan Anderson
Look at the backgrounds, 7 looks much better
Juan Clark
prerendered backgrounds > wiggly 3d backgrounds because of ps1
Nicholas Morales
there's a certain charm to the graphics, of course they weren't as good as 8 or 9 but they worked well enough. this is coming from someone who played it for the first time in 2017
Michael Foster
I don't know anyone who said that. Even in 1997 the only things I thought looked good in FF VII were the backgrounds and FMVs.
Caleb Mitchell
I've literally never heard that and I'm 30 years old. Everyone has always made fun of the field models.
Nolan Ortiz
the cgi scenes sure
David Phillips
Juan Turner
Eli Cook
I would eat Cid's vutthole so bad and so delicious
Brayden Price
Should I just stick with the PS3 PSOne classics FF7 or get one of the remustered versions for Switch or PS4 or Steam?
Chase Wood
I imagine it'd taste pretty bad. But I wanna eat Tifa's ass for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, so who am I to talk.
Austin Gutierrez
the backgrounds were though.
Charles Russell
the PSX version of Grandia is ugly as shit though
Dylan Lopez
Tomb raider didn't have
>a lot of cutscenes
>a large soundtrack
>as big a world
>the same amount of enemy variety and NPC's
>remotely the same amount of content
Remember FFVII had a fucking 4 hour and 30 minute stereo soundtrack, which was huge for the time. In compariso, Tomb Raider's soundtrack was 19 minutes.
Tyler Harris
why did the PC version give tifa the :3 face
Dominic Evans
The newer version has a way to get 25000 points in the Speed mini game so play those
Josiah Carter
Remastered if you want built in cheats or terrible character mouths. PS4 version has audio bugs that were never fixed, so get the Switch or PC version if you go remastered. If you don't care about cheats, get the PSOne Classics one.
Lincoln Baker
Emulate ps1 on your phone so the SD background dont lool too bad
Brandon Young
I wish Tomb Raider could go back to being about Lara exploring tombs and dealing with weird bullshit like Dinosaurs and Yetis instead of the stupid bullshit Tomb Raider is now
Justin Scott
>he doesnt know about Remako
Ian Russell
I still believe it is mindblowing 2019. Recently I replayed the intro section of Final Fantasy X, and something similar happens: Tidus takes a step back to watch Sin, and the game transitions into an FMV with Tidus taking the step back. It was very neat, mostly because there was continuity in both cases, as opposed to simply cutting from Tidus stepping back to a zoomed in shot of Sin.
Isaiah Wright
I miss real Tomb Raider.
Benjamin Campbell
How does it look so good? Emulator?
Henry Cook
the backgrounds were amazing, not the characters
Brandon Barnes
It's the pc version
Isaiah Diaz
Mouths were turned off in the original. They just toogled the mouths on.
Nathan Lee
>and even aged better
Holy fuck what a delusion, only when that AI process all of them to higher resolutions, it looks like a pixelated mess if you play in fullscreen nowadays.
Joshua Allen
Shadow tried to do that, but you fags didn't buy it and by doing so they scared away the uncharted retards too because there's less explosions and shit.
Angel Garcia
Sometimes I look at FF7 and FF9 side by side and can't even believe FF9 came from the same console as whatever the hell FF7 was trying to look like.
Angel Kelly
I need Cid's mouth open for me so I can shove my tongue inside and taste his cigarette
Alexander Miller
because it's okay when japan does it
Oliver Martin
FF8 looked better than both
Isaac Jones
Believe it or not, they used different models for the field and battle.
Nicholas Gray
they made baby steps in that direction. they shouldn't have been trying to be a shit tier uncharted in the first place.
Colton Hughes
It could have if not for the character textures being so goddamn crusty. FF9 struck a balance between visual clarity and not blowing up the models to the point that you have to lower their resolution.
Angel Adams
Is the PC version good?
Nolan Rivera
Probably
Hudson Hill
the original playstation version has proper music queues.
Adrian Wright
Shera, please relax.
Isaiah Reyes
I remember back in the day some of my friends were convinced that ps1 had better graphics than n64 lol
Anthony Nguyen
are you trying to imply that Hyrule fields looks better in that pic
Josiah Foster
Was the N64 more powerful than the PS1?
Brody Ross
The pre rendered backrounds look good to this day
Sebastian Nelson
>using the fucking overworld sprites as an argument
meanwhile FF7 cutscenes looked like this
Parker Mitchell
you mean a game released a year later that was also considered incredibly technically impressive has better textures and models? wtf?
yes but no disk space made it a nightmare to develop for so outside of some choice games, most of them do not live up to the systems potential.
Elijah Myers
Yea, I tried to tell them but ya know some kids were just kinda dumb.
Man you sony fans still act like fmvs are the gameplay lol ps...I actually like both games but cmon man.
Ian Perez
FFVIII was impressive. FFVII was average.
Austin Phillips
I honestly can't stand Nu Lara though beyond her design, by making her less "problematic" they've somehow made her far worse
Anthony Moore
>using FMV as an argument against gameplay screens
typical sony fan.
Julian Robinson
>by making her less "problematic"
They didn't make her less problematic. She's the perfect depiction of a stepford wife now. Objectified. Can't do anything without a man. Gets off on being physically and emotionally hurt. Does whatever a man tells her to do. I welcome it, though.
Nathan Watson
you weren't seven and playing it somebody's house for a few hours. Shit was magical. There wasn't anything gritty or animated in 3d like it at the time.
Austin Phillips
>Only grafix matters!!!11!!
Connor Bell
>zoomer making shit up
ff7 had shit graphics for its time, and everybody knew it. no one gave a shit though.
Austin Bell
no one ever said that. the game looks fine and the artstyle is good, but technically it was never impressive.
Josiah James
It doesn't, but FF7 aged like milk visually, and it's also functionally garbage since it can be hard to tell where the fuck you need to be going since the low res jpeg environments don't do anything to make any of that clear.
Hunter Cox
it's a turn based jrpg. so the gameplay sure as fuck doesn't.
Nathan Nguyen
To be fair the prerendered BGs were great and still hold up to this day.
Brody Long
Tail end of the FMV era and first FF with 3D. I would argue that any comments to "looking good" were more focused on the FMV work and general backgrounds rather than the super-deformed (do we still call it that? It was called that back then) handful-of-polygons area models.
General mockery was focused on the extended combat summons and effects, people generally seemed to think there was in fact: too much show, not too little. This was parodied in 8-bit comics and PC gamer's review (at least in the uk) called Knights of the Round "Summon sandwich break".
This game also existed in the mid-years of the 2.5d/3d switch, and its fair to say it was still new enough (and completely new for FF) that this tipped the scales in its favour.
One thing I do like about the switch to 3d is that the devs were encouraged to go fucking nuts with ideas and concepts for enemies. That's why ff7 has a frankly hilarious and bizarre enemy lineup.
TL;DR please make a visual inspection of my six
David Richardson
this is your brain on Final Fantasy
Ryan Peterson
That's what I'm getting at their less problematic version of Lara is worse than and somehow more "problematic" than the original version ever was, like how do you fuck up that bad?
Joshua Ramirez
yes the N64 was way more powerful, the issue was the cartridges and having such limited memory aside from being expensive to produce
FF7 would have been a Nintendo 64 game if the N64 used discs, it probably would have looked a lot better too
Jose Ramirez
Press the select button.
Josiah Barnes
Yes, but the cartridges had no space on them so often the games looked like shit due to terrible textures
Ian Walker
Don't lie faggot, the game was a rehash of Rise down to palette and assets.
John Powell
>Nintenddies still salty they didn't have cutscenes or good sound quality
kek
Jacob Davis
Alright, I'll admit I didn't know this. It still doesn't look that great visually, but now it's less irritating from a gameplay standpoint.
Luis Hill
Gamecube rpgs had those tho so....yea also GC had the best sound system for its time.
Samuel Brooks
ok disclet
Bentley Hall
>for the time
>uses examples from the future to disprove
Ofcourse 8 and 9 have better graphics. But if Final Fantasy 7 just came out then I'm not thinking about how it looks bad compared to games that don't exist.
Henry Long
Does anyone praise ff7's graphics?
I mean the game looked "fine" for the time in its battle sequences, but it looked just like every other pre-rendered background game of its day.
Cameron Williams
>2 mere years pass
Jackson Hernandez
explain to me how a cgi cutscene makes the gameplay better?
Wyatt Peterson
Tomb Raider is butt ugly
Joshua Ward
If I can see Cid's facial hair and imagine how it would feel on my tongue when I lick his neck then the graphics are good enough
Benjamin Rodriguez
>Gamecube rpgs had those
But the Nintendo 64gamesintotal didn't HAHAHAHA
*dabs*
Wyatt Brooks
I think it's only explained in the tutorial section you can go to in Midgar. I pressed it by accident and was caught off guard.
Samuel Nelson
Oh no..it didn't have fmv's that aren't representative of gameplay. We had to make do with games that revolutionized gameplay and gamedesign.
Brandon Ward
I remember being impressed with the cut scenes when the game first came out. The general art style and design of the scenes was really well done.
Julian Campbell
Background at looks great.
Andrew James
People praise the FMV cutscenes but that's about it.
Nicholas Ortiz
If you're not going to post the graphics rendered at the native resolution, I'm going to assume you're just making another shitty bait thread.
Kevin Watson
SOULLES
SOUL
Adrian Brooks
>I think about the Tomb Raider expanded Universe with some regularity.
>I mean they know Bigfoot was real when Lara caught it.
>But Kronenbergs The Fly canonically also exists.
>In what ways does her day to day world differ from ours due to supernatural shenanigans?
>MFWI think about this shit instead of playing games
Isaiah Williams
>GC had the best sound system for its time
too bad nobody could ever tell since all the soundtracks were compressed to shit to fit on that manlytears sized disc
Thomas King
If you don't know the answer you are a drooling retard.
Don't you think there is a difference in game scope, length and style?
Poor thing, unable to grasp nuance.
Aiden Rivera
>mfw thinking about Lara instead of pursuing real women
Nathan Hall
Yeah, and on the exact same hardware, jackass. The point is that the sole reason it looks worse is the shitty art direction, that's it.
Jack Lee
Not sure if you're 16, or just oblivious, but one of the only positive thing people said about the cube back then was its sound quality specifically citing Rogue Leader, Star Fox Assault, and Smash. Is there any other argument you would like to attempt to make against N64 or GC? Cuz these aint workin for you.
Blake Rodriguez
>why do people say ff7 had good graphics for the time
They dont