With the brilliant visual presentation of DQXI, and both the localization AND remake of Seiken Densetsu 3, I have little doubt in my mind that we will eventually see a proper remake of Chrono Trigger. And it will be gorgeous.
What kind of features would you guys want it to have?
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Does it even need a remake?
Which version is better, the SNES or DS version? I played it on DS like eight years ago, but have been wanting to go through it again recently.
Unless they give it the FF7R treatment, no. Anything less would be a waste of time like the SD2, and likely SD3, remakes.
Honestly? No. But Toriyama's designs come to life so well in HD that it would be cool to see a modern interpretation. Knowing its popularity it's a wonder we got Trials of Mana before this.
SNES. All DS version does is ruin the dialogue.
The DS version is considered definitive with the anime cutscenes and a few extras here and there. But the snes version is perfectly fine if you want to play it on a tv.
Didn't it add an extra area? Frog talking in ancient-speak was kind of off-putting, but it wasn't as bad having not played the original.
>proper translation that doesn't add faux-archaic English speech to a single character
>changes literally little else of note
>ruined the dialogue
Grow the fuck up, dude.
Frog talking in fake archaic-English IS the original version.
>ruin the dialogue
yea if you prefer Woolsey's meme translations over actual proper translations.
SD3's remake is getting an overhaul of the combat system. The stats that don't work will work, magic won't constantly freeze the action, and the devs mentioned that they will be allowing weapon switching and incorporating verticality (via air combos and the like). It's not as drastic as VIIR but it's going to be different enough in a good way.
I'd like the length of the core game itself to roughly stay the same. About 15-25 hours for the story. But the amount of side content and general exploration should be increased. It doesn't need to be BotW huge, but I want to really explore all the different time periods on more than an admittedly hollow world map.
Also, unpopular opinion, but I don't want it to have any forced connections to Cross.
It’s not a meme translation, idiot.
I hope so, cause SD2's remake felt like a barely-put-together cash grab. And the visuals honestly don't look better than the original SNES graphics, imo.
Compare and contrast:
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That's really not an unpopular opinion. Cross doesn't have anywhere near the fanbase Trigger has. It's not by any means a horrible game, but it definitely isn't anywhere near as good as Trigger.
Calling it now, it'll be the only ace in the hole Squeenix has after FF7R. Except for the next DQ and FF mainline games, what else do they even have to be hype about anymore? Literally nothing. Chrono Trigger will be the next big project people want anyway.
So why is this game associated with Final Fantasy when it’s far closer to a Dragon Quest spinoff?
It is made by Square, not Enix, for one thing.
And as the guy who wrote that page said, he's clearly biased. I've got as much nostalgia for the fake archaic English speech Frog had in the original release as anyone, but the DS re-translation is MUCH better as he now speaks the fucking same as every other person in that era, albeit more properly as befits a knight of the kingdom.
Honestly, I think people were much more interested in a sequel than a remake of Trigger. Back when Squeenix trademarked Chrono Break, literally everyone was hype as fuck.
It has never been associated with Final Fantasy beyond being made by the same company. The fuck are you even talking about?
Made by Square, directed by Kitase and had Sakaguchi among the designers.
Also had ATB before it was popular.
Did everyone forget the fan-remake that Square shut down?
>What kind of features would you guys want it to have?
To not exist
Might sound like interesting narrative or bad fan fiction, but I always thought it would be cool if Chrono Break's gimmick involved you rounding up very different versions of your main character as your party to ultimately beat the bad guy and "fix" time. Kinda like that one episode of Dexter's Lab to the two people out there that know what I'm talking about. I dunno. Another standard time travel or dimension crossing game wouldn't be enough for me.
>Another standard time travel or dimension crossing game wouldn't be enough for me
Honestly, that's probably why they didn't do anything with it and let the rights expire. They probably couldn't figure out what to do with it.
I wonder if they could add 1999 as an explorable age at end-game. Probably not, but it could be the place where they could even throw a new party member.
Not until we get the Live a Live remake.
To be fair, Cross probably deserves a remake more. It's gorgeous, but the gameplay itself never jived with me. I want to love it so bad.
Chrono Cross doesn't need a remake and I for sure wouldn't want modern day Square working on it. It would be the biggest monkey paw ever. FF7 remake is proof of that
That would just never happen. It's like an anthology RPG, it would never sell well.
There is both a lack of talent and budget to pull it off, and they know it.
The Dream Team was a miracle then. It's an impossibility now. Toriyama alone would want $40,000/day just in consulting fees.
stfu incel
I'd like more endings, my choices to ultimately matter towards those endings like in the original, maybe an extra party member or two, and, hear me out, I'd like Chrono to not be a mute.
Except that there's literally nothing wrong with FF7R that we've seen or heard yet, so you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
If a remake comes, I'll play it, but theres no way a 3D game could live up to the original's 2D perfection.
Dragon Quest 11 has already set the standard visually. And if you've played it, the pep system is already sort of like the combo system of Trigger just watered down a bit. A remake could totally be possible.
>Except that there's literally nothing wrong with FF7R that we've seen or heard yet
Ya, right... only idiots will defend chopping up a 20 year old game into parts, taking years and years to make each episode, and charging 60 bucks a pop it.
If they were making a straight up new game then sure, but a remake doesn't require all of the original people. Willing to bet Tokyo RPG factory will handle it, and they currently have one of chrono's original directors working on Oninaki.
>thinking FF7 being expanded upon so much that segments of the story will be as large as games on their own is a bad thing
Motherfucker, they've fleshed out Midgar so much it's going to take up 2 fucking 50GB bluray discs. You can piss right off with your pessimistic bullshit.
Fuck no.
>Motherfucker, they've fleshed out Midgar so much it's going to take up 2 fucking 50GB bluray discs.
You really trust their lies? Have FF Online, FF 13 and Final Fantasy XV thought you nothing?
Nostalgia speaking.
Expect the most resource intensive and visually stunning kusoge of all time
Cope.
>it's a team up between Magus, Janus and Guile
>data space equals gameplay hours
Oi
>Fuck no
Why not?
Its great as it is. WHY the fuck would it need a remake.
WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY REMAKES MADE. Create some new good shit ffs.
I only played the vanilla Realm Reborn when it first hit PS4 and I thought it was a good time back then, I'm sure it's vastly better now, and the reception reflects that. FFXV is far from perfect but it's a fine game the way it is. And FFXIII is hot garbage, I'll give you that. Each one developed by a dramatically different team. Why not give it a chance before casting judgement? Gameplay wise it looks pretty cool.
It's stale WoW Clone shit with 1 rotation per class and 0 individuality.
Remakes are popular for a reason. It's an opportunity to refine what wasn't perfect, and adapt through a modern lense. If you don't like it, you always have the original. If others do, it's a great chance to introduce a new audience to the original you love so much. They aren't all winners, but keep an open mind.
Add Schaala and the sewer cat as playable characters in repeat playthroughs.
No Cross shit.
Its shitty cash grab.
CT is already perfect.
Ds
Honestly, the only thing wrong with Final Fantasy XIII is how half or more of the story is told in fucking codex entries instead of through the game itself. Everything else about it is fine.
Spoken like a true mongoloid who refuses to actually find a way to know what he's talking about. Congratulations.
>same amount of time spent in Midgar just with overhauled gameplay, voice work, and massively improved visuals would take 100gb
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Dq11 looks like ass compared to that artwork, it's not even close
Midgar is the worst part of ff7 why the fuck would I want that
>what is Final Fantasy XV
any remake needs to disassociate itself from Chrono Cross completely
everybody in Trigger either gets fucked in Cross or you play as a stupid version of them instead
You're not much of a fan of FF7 if you actually believe that. Why give a fuck about the remake at all if you don't actually like the original game?
What's the problem? Cross is the logical answer for the questions raised in CT. And we don't actually know if they get fucked over, their fates are not stated. In fact, Kato said he wanted Break to be a sort of all-star game, so we most likely would play Chrono and the others.
>referencing a game that is multiple times the size of the part of another game you're talking about
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
Alright there, smartass, they'll me how they're going to the deliver a full game (50h+ of story and 60h more of replayability) worth of content in Midgard?
user, don't bother trying to convince him what we already know. When the game finally comes out, he'll see it for what it is, a cash cow for Square with no direction what so ever
I do like the original game a lot but why would I pay 60 dollars just to play through midgar?
>Alright there, smartass, tell me how they're going to write more story and make conversations deeper while also making the city full-size instead of just a few screens of it
If the story in Midgar is expanded significantly enough as to be a full game's worth of content as they say, why would you look at it as if it were still just that tiny portion of the game that it is in the original?
Buddy, even if they do that there's no way they could turn the midgar section into an engaging full length game without spreading it thin
You literally don't know that. That's what they're claiming they've done, so the only thing you can really do besides acting like a petulant child and saying "NUH UHH!!" over and over again is to wait and see.
Just make a proper sequel. the Game doesn't need remade
looks like SaGa Frontie
>You literally don't know that.
And you don't know they will, moot point
Yeah, but tell me how. What would you add, user? How to make the most of that full sized city? How to deepen the dialogue without characters repeating themselves or moving the plot too fast? Btw, backstory is not deeper dialogue, it's exposition.
>And you don't know they will
Except we have them describing as doing exactly that, and you have absolutely zero evidence to the contrary. Believe what you will, user the Jaded.
>moot point
Correct, it is up for debate. "moot point" does not mean "pointless to argue", btw.
user, how about this. When the game comes out and is a disappointment will you admit you were wrong? I'll admit I'm wrong if somehow that happens. I fair you will not do the same
>they will write more dialogue and expand the story
>"but tell me how!"
I'd rather midgar not be expanded
I've literally been arguing the case of evidence and logic, and you're accusing me of being incapable of admitting to being wrong if evidence presents itself? lolokay
By not doing that and remaking this game instead.
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Then you'd likely not like any of the rest of the game expanded. Dunno what to say to you, bro. Seems the remake isn't for you.
No, user, tell me how you would do it. Not them. You said it's possible without rushing the plot or butchering the story. How? Give me some examples.
Mate, I have told you my points and others as well
>Horrible track record for their recent games
>Game being cut up into multiple parts
>Square doesn't even know how many games they're doing
>Charging 60 dollars a pop, claiming it will be bigger and better
>Fired the original team working on it (Cyber Connect 2)
BTW, you didn't take me up on my offer, pussy
I'm not a writer. I play video games to experience them, not to nitpick about how I would have written them. Your patronizing behavior neither makes you look as smart as you think it does, nor does it contribute to the discussion in any way.
Gentlemen, please. Let's keep it Chrono here. What would you want to represent the resurrection of the chrono franchise?
So you have no idea how. All you have is faith then. Sorry, that's not enough to convince me.
>Nevermind the fact that Square has proven time and time again that they cannot write anything FF7-related without shitting the bed, they will surely get it right this time!
Your blind fanboyism doesn't contribute to the discussion either.
rip. soundtrack is amazing.
Unless you give me real time double/triple tech and even give me new double/triple techs (or somehow give me the ability to create custom double/triple techs) and all of it based on positioning and timing, don't even bother.
>What would you want to represent the resurrection of the chrono franchise?
I'm not sure it can be done in a non shit way. I guess a remake in the moldes of DD wouldn't hurt, but it must be kept completely faithful to the original. CC is impossible to remake due to the number of party members, and a sequel would just be bad compared to the other ones.
Shit that's a good picture of lavos
No way. The original game has aged extremely well compared to most everything from the era. The game play still functions fine, the story is timeless, and the graphics are near the pinnacle of traditional sprite work before 3D settled in and sprites moved into art traces and HD sprites. I wouldn't be opposed to a competent remake but even as a big fan, there're tons of RPG classics that'd appreciate the love way more.
>whining about bad track record
>also whining about outsourced company that has been a part of the bad track record being fired
Dude, you're all over the fucking place in your arguments.
>didn't take me up on my offer
I don't have shit to prove to you, Random Internet Person, nor would you or I know we were interacting with each other in the future if I felt the need.
>game cut into multiple parts
You don't seem to understand what it means by "this part of the game has been expanded upon so much as to be a fully fleshed out, fully featured game in and of itself"
>they don't know how many parts there will be
I'm sure they don't. Do you honestly think they set out to make the Midgar segment so damn long on purpose? And either way, would you prefer to wait however long until the entire thing is finished, all the while being pissed off it's taking so long, just so you can have a single release?
>$60 per part
It literally hasn't had a price listed yet (even if it's likely), but do you honestly think they could charge *only* $60 for the entire game, as large as they're making it, and justify the work they did in any way?
>DD
Pardon?
I wish I still had this much faith in corporations.
>Dude, you're all over the fucking place in your
arguments.
Not at all, you are just blindly trusting Square for some reason. Not sure why, but enjoy your fate. I am surprised there are people who still buy into hype this blindly
DQ, as in Dragon Quest.
>continues to condescend to make himself feel superior to some random person on the internet
Have fun with that sad, pathetic existence you've got there, dude. Try not to kill yourself when your bubble bursts and you realize how insignificant and unimportant you actually are.
The remake of seiken densetsu 3 looks like floaty garbage, they better leave a Chrono Trigger remake to the Enix division
>I don't personally like the other FF7 stuff they've written since the original game so that objectively means they're bad and the company isn't capable of expanding the original game.
Hey, look! Someone opining as if their words are fact.
Just tell me how, man, and you can shut me up. Playing victim here will not legitimaze your faith in Square.
This is the first time I've ever seen anyone defend the absolute pile of steaming trash that was Dirge of Cerberus, congratulations.
Holy shit, that is so fuckin good. I love fanart, man. Sure there's a lot of meh shit out there, but finding these gems is always great.
Pic unrelated, but also good fanart.
>s-stop being mean to me!
>blindly trusting Square for some reason
The evidence presented so far has been pretty promising. Optimistic and hopeful is more like it. To "blindly trust" would be to be this hopeful with no evidence to give reason to the trust.
>call user out for hating on shit and claiming their opinion is fact
>you equate this to defense of one piece of the whole
To be fair and completely honest, I got maybe halfway into the game before I moved back when the game was new. I never did pick it back up after the move, so all I know about the rest of the story is that Genesis is resurrected at the end. The gameplay is definitely pretty crap, though.
I still want turn based combat. However, I want to be able to move my characters around the battlefield. So when I perform techs, I can line them up myself. This way, part of the strategy of battle is spacing and placement.
I want characters to have special skills outside of techs. Like, say for example you could purchase limited use items.
Say you can buy a little shield for Frog, and this way he's capable of defending either himself, or his comrades. However, once it takes enough hits, it's shattered.
Say you could buy batteries for Lucca. They energize a special device that amplifies her fire magic, and then after the energy is used up, it's no longer functional.
Say you could purchase a club for Ayla. It increases her attack power, but it eventually breaks, forcing her to resort to her fists.
You get the idea.
>he evidence presented so far has been pretty
promising.
If you think it's been promising, you must have very low standards user. Do you just eat up all the corporate shit video games push out?
Where is the good side? They are remaking the game and you hope it's good? Come on now
I could write a few posts detailing why AC and CC's stories suck too, but it's not worth my time and anyone that hasn't figured it out already is beyond saving.
>literally resorting to using opinions as fact again
see Sorry anons, but your opinions are not objective fact. Like or dislike whatever you want, but your opinions don't actually mean jack shit to anyone beyond yourselves.
This sounds stupid as hell. Of course they could if they wanted too. Midgar is a giant city, they could start the story a little earlier, throw in a little filller, finish it out the same way and easily round it out into a full game. Even if they just made the Midgar section 20 hours I'd be happy as hell. I wish it was turned based, but I'll probably buy it to play it.
Things like Genesis being retconned into provoking Sephiroth's downfall is not an opinion. Neither is the entirety of DoC making zero sense from a plot and thematical standpoint. Like I said, there's no point in elaborating further because you will not listen to me.
>Unless they give it the FF7R treatment, no
You mean systematically shave off all the charm, cut the game into three full-priced purchases (each with separate special editions), and rework every character to fit more in line with the current fanbase's image of those characters? In other words, completely ruin the whole fucking thing?
Yeah sure, sounds good.
Never change, Yea Forums. Promise me you'll always be the jaded pieces of shit who do nothing but look at the negative potential and refuse to be optimistic in the slightest. It's nice to have a shithole to point people to as an example of how not to be.
How the hell are you optimistic man? And about Square on top of that? FFXIII, FFXV, KH 2.8 (another full priced demo btw), KH3, etc
If there's any company to still feel optimisc about, it sure ain't Square.
Have fun with your kusoge, hope you enjoyed XV
>You don't seem to understand what it means by "this part of the game has been expanded upon so much as to be a fully fleshed out, fully featured game in and of itself"
But that is an incredibly vague statement. It could mean anything from "We're adding an entirely new, 40-hour long side quest that involves Genesis and the Shinra Wars" to "We are adding those MMO-style hunting quests from FFXV." It's meaningless because SE hasn't expanded on anything in detail beyond what we've seen; which is pretty much only stuff that was in the original.
And even if they implement side-quests that answer questions about the world of FFVII or tie the original games to the spin-offs like people want, that still kills the narrative flow of the story (especially in the Midgard portion which is supposed to simply introduce everything).
"Oh no, I've been separated from Barret and Tifa and have to get back! Wait, that old guy wants me to kill 15 Shinra soldiers who are harassing him."
"Look! Tifa's been kidnapped! Wait, if I find this girl 25 of these beetles I get another Fire materia."
"Guys, we have to go help Aerith! What's that jaded ex-Shinra scientist? You want us to go into the sewers on a lengthy expedition to find some creature that may or may not exist and may be linked to experiments that guy did 25 years ago? Sure, that's obviously more important than finding our friend that is evidently very important to Shinra."
And while these examples are undeniably cringey, if the game is going to be expanded on (which will be necessary because the opening of FFVII is only about 15 hours long, with moderate grinding) these are the kind of things they are going to have to do. It destroys the pacing and tension, and artificially extends a short opening made to set the tone into a bloated mess made to justify two more bloated messes that will only be slightly better.
>being cautious about video games and holding companies to a standard is somehow bad.
You're the reason we can't have any nice things anymore. Stop making fucking excuses for these shitty practices Square is doing
Not that user, but I'd do more reactor bombings to really cement AVALANCHE as an eco-terrorist group. I'd let you go to the theater to watch Loveless or other plays. Motorcycle trave throughout the upper plate. More dilapidated old structures as dungeons in the slums. More wallmarket, honeybee inn, and crossdressing. Slice of Life at 7th Heaven. Minigames.
Absolutely not. The game is perfect as is, the sprite work still looks good, the story still holds up, the game is a perfect length to do what it wants to do without dragging anything out.
Its my favorite game of all time, but I'd much rather see remakes of games that need them, such as Xenogears.
My god, someone made an actual, well thought out argument. Kudos to you user, you make a damn good point.
All we can do is wait. Hopefully they'll find a way to do the job as they claim without bloating the hell out of the game as your examples show could happen.
DS is the best version. It takes some heavy nostalgia to think that the SNES version is better.
And I'm speaking as someone who played the SNES version 4 times first before playing the DS version.
There have been zero "cautious" opinions save for . Everyone else has been negative and condescending in the confidence of their opinions being fact. Your post right there included.
Post best girl Lucca!
Are you honestly saying Square DOES have a good track record with their recent games?
>Everyone else has been negative and condescending in the confidence of their opinions being fact
See
>literally linking to a post where an opinion is posted as objective fact as if disputing my statement
>The Genesis retcons are opinions
>The DoC retcons are opinions
I give up.
I would want it just so I can see just how big they wanted Marle's tits to be because some of her early work has her looking young but pretty and Toriyama's end of development look for her made her look almost as busty as Ayla.
Which would make perfect sense because Ayla is her ancestor.