Why couldn't Brawl, Sm4sh, and Ultimate combined top this one gamecube game from 2001?

Why couldn't Brawl, Sm4sh, and Ultimate combined top this one gamecube game from 2001?

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all of them did

Nope, try again

's a matter of opinion. I prefer playing Ultimate myself but I am glad there are folks who stick to what they're passionate about. Just wish they'd spend less time trying to put down who enjoy other entries more.

>Ultimate has Banjo, Ridley, K. Rool, Mega Man, Cloud, Ryu, and a plethora of other vidya characters
>dozens of stages
>hundreds of songs
>8 player smash
>beautifully colored and animated
>MELEE IS BETTER BECAUSE YOU CAN WAVEDASH!!

ok autist.

it was a beautiful mistake
its the only game that could get the balance between casual play and autism right because its broken as fuck

>it has more "stuff" so that means it's better

1. Reducing the combo potential (Compare Ultimate to their Melee counterparts)
2. Reducing the skill ceiling, Melee was accessible to both casuals and tourneyfags, there was zero downsides to it being a more complex game
3. Ledge has lost its meaning because anyone can get back on for free, the dominating player should be rewarded for knocking you off
4. Rage mechanic, again rewarding the player who is losing instead of the other way around
5. Slowing the games down so they're more boring
6. No satisfying jump momentum anymore in a physics-based platform fighter

All Smash games are objectively good games, but obviously some are better than others when compared gameplay wise.

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yes, more things = better

dilate have sex and take a shower

No.

you're 100% a streamwatcher.

>Street Fighter V has more characters than Third Strike, more stages, more songs, more modes, and have better graphics than Third Strike
>So this means it's better

ok autist.

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Because Melee was just a straight improvement to the formula and content of its predecessor and didn't devolve into absolute fanwank

good post.

To the vast majority of players, this is true. To the average player, a prettier and more complete package is more desirable.

Understand that even in a community like Yea Forums most people who play Smash don't really partake in any of the nuances that make Melee the game many hardcore players swear by. It is delusion to believe otherwise.

That's wrong though

OLD GUD!
NEW BAD BAD!
*smells finger* UNGA BUNGA

You don't go to tournaments, you're a quickplay

Better question is why did Nintendo resort to shady tactics to destroy this competitive powerhouse that was better than any smash game?

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To the vast majority of players, Fortnite is the best game ever.

>Ultimate boots melee out of evo
>M-mellee still better

-5 show your work

It's Tokido's favorite Street Fighter.

Exactly, quantity =/= quality. Gameplay is what matters, not which has more stuff.

Who goes to tournaments for a party game?

misguided brainlet

>the game that's on EVO is better

By your logic Melee is the best Smash game then because it's been on EVO more times than the others.

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Go back, Warchamp.

Ok then why not keep playing this game if you're so enamored with its gameplay?

A lot of people, actually, FGCpleb

I'll grant you Smash 4, but content-wise Brawl and Ultimate surpass Melee.

Melee only appeals to a niche group of competitive players at this point. That said, Melee was THE smash game for almost 7 years between it and Brawl, so it will always have a fond place in Smash players' memories I'm sure. I know it does with me.

Perfection happens once only
Smash Melee haters can go fuck themselves

>Smash
>fighting game
holy cringe

You're missing the point. You're calling someone a streamwatcher, yet you don't go on tournaments and aren't competitive either. You're the same shit as everyone on this board.

to this day that hurts to think about considering how much I loved his Akuma in 4. That canada cup GF vs fuudo is peak fighting games period

I'm not going to deny that, just as you didn't deny my accusation

but it's at least demonstrable within all the scrubquotes of Yea Forums discussion that people here actually play ultimate

melee threads on this board are nothing but pure eceleb wank

>HOLY SHIT ERDRICK AND BANJO IN ULTIMATE EASILY BEST SMASH EVER!
>Plays the game for a few hours and then never picks it again until the next DLC drops

I never called anyone a streamwatcher.

Are you in need of therapy? Smash IS a party game at heart and, quite frankly, it's pathetic that Smash is beating every other FGC game at Evo in therms of entrants (and attention, for that matter)

Incorrect.
Melee threads are shitposting by people pretending to play it or ultimate, eceleb, shower posts then actual discussion of melee, then just general FGC stuff.

I've been playing it almost every weekend since it came out. Cope smeelefag.

Why can't the entire Smash series combined top literally any Capcom fighting game?

Sure you do darling

Already have.

Sorry but galaxy brain is realizing 64 is the best

/thread

So if you were 10 years old when Melee came out, you'd be around 28 years old today
By the time the next Smash game released, you'll be in your early 30's
Are you guys really still going to try to beg for a competitive game when you won't have the reflexes for it anymore?
Also this

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I don't play Smash competitively or atleast not as seriously as tourneyfags so while I like Melee, I'm having a lot more fun with Smash Ultimate.

every smash game would be more fun if they played more like melee outside of maybe 64's novelty. Melee's physics were the best and just needed qol updates

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>*yeyuzzes in your path*

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Just let me keep my momentum when I run and then jump. Why did you remove the most fundamental part of platoforming tha has been around for over 30 years samurai?

based, but don't pretend fans the newer games don't also put down people for sticking to Melee.

Melee has much better physics and handling. That's it.
It also has a shitload of bugs, and plenty of garbage characters (kirby, mewtwo, bowser, etc.).

Let the zoomers zoom. I like 64 and Ultimate too but the tech, the sheer amount of insane inputs in every game, the speed, the amount of combos available to each character, the movement options, the rivalries, Melee will always be the G.O.A.T.

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not to mention,
>yanks summit 8 qualifier from u

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hello Yea Forums

that and dash dancing are the BARE MINIMUM I would need to actually enjoy playing the new games. Without it I feel like a retard wearing moonshoes.

>Let the zoomers zoom
>I like 64 too

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stinky thread

Original post.

Ultimate will be better than Melee by the end of its life cycle when it stops receiving patches and updates.

Melee is shit because we have Slap City.

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Let's be honest, CHADbox is going to shit on Wizzy next time in bracket, it's only a matter of time

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genesis 6 was like the biggest indicator of that. ultimate was brand new and had all the big names, yet the crowd was audibly and visibly more hyped by even the losers brackets for melee. gameplay over flashiness anytime

There's nothing about ultimate's gameplay or patches that supports this

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anybody wanna play streetfighter 4 on pc with me bros

I dunno. There's a lot of smaller problems they need to fix in ultimate not even including the actual game play.

But Melee doesn't have Snake, Sonic, final smashes, or a Subspace Emissary mode.
Also Luigi's voice sounds like a sped-up Mario.

Brawl is the best.

In terms of actual content, Brawl seriously obliterated both Sm4sh and Ultimate. If it wasn't for the "Everyone is Here", Ultimate would be the most disappointing game of the franchise. No game modes, no trophies, no description for the Spirits, no levels in the adventure mode, huge ergonomy problems in the menus...

I'm so glad I don't play online, because it's apparently a huge failure too. I hope there's no second Fighter Pass so we can quickly get to Smash 6.

Would love to but gotta leave for work pretty soon.

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You bootlickers were saying the same thing about Sm4sh and look how that turned out retard

Fpbp

Online is so amazingly stupid to me. Ignoring all the connection problems the fact that there is no in between playing every stage and battlefield only frustrates me.
Also the fact in arenas you can't have multiple games at once, a feature even 4 had.

Best posts ITT, everything else is retarded

characters felt like they had weight in this game. see ganondorf and link vs jigglypuff or kirby

Name 100 reasons why Melee is better than Ultimate. I'll wait.

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Why is Hackurai so afraid of grab combos and additional movement options?

Sure he put in some good newcomers, but that doesn't make up for him giving a giant middle finger to us all with that Piranha Plant/Assist Trophy bullshit, and then showing off the only cool cutscene in the game during the last direct to trick us into thinking there would be a Subspace Emissary-type mode.

Fuck Sakurai.

where u from king

He thinks that it should be literally impossible for somebody to be better than somebody else. Basically he's a big fan of Harrison Bergeron.

>muh skill ceiling
Pressing L right before you land is a dumb skill to have.

Good argument.

Modern smash games are laggy, choppy, and not as fluid

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Agreed with all of these. Smellee is only weak when it comes to the roster and the single player content.

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Melee still has better single player than 4 and ultimate.

Melee has better single player content than Ultimate

based factposting user dabbing on these butthurt 09ers

>grab combos
I thought you faggots COMPLAINED about that shit in Sm4sh

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Faggot zoomers. They also say Halo 3 was the best. No, it was because you were 12 at the time.

Ultimate is pretty good. 64 is still my shit. And Halo 1 was and always will be the best in the series.

>Single player content
But, Melee's single player content shits all over Smash 4 and Ultimate. Only Brawl can compare.

halo 2 is infinitely better but ok

this
adventure mode all stars and some events had infinite replayability for me

wow that is a good post

Damn, I'm a meleenigger and I came so close to completing this:
>plugged myself while gf sent pics/vids this morning (does that count as dilating, I mean. Something was being dialated)
>showered after yardwork
>not able to have sex today since gf is 3.5 hours away, but shes coming (and cumming) tomorrow
While I only fulfill the fag 2/3s of your request, I'll still give my unsolicited opinion: every smash is way above the average game. Melee just has much better gameplay, putting such an emphasis on movement and giving the player so many options makes everything potentially hype. Reversing an edge guard just doesnt happen (ledge in ultimate is trash fite me), amazing sdi to escape a multihit move doesnt happen, shield pressure without tossing out hit boxes doesn't happen.
I don't mind that ultimate fans claim their game is superior until whatever new comes out and they all jump ship again, but I enjoy 4-stock-tempo, custom combos, and always fearing/hoping for a comeback.

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No it wasn't, sorry you never tourney'd or LAN'd.

>Remove all kind of aerial momentum and inertia
>Cripple fun movement techniques
>Platform-centric content like break the targets, board the platforms and race to the finish are all gone
>Try to make it play more and more like a traditional fighter
Absolutely pants-on-head retarded. Melee hit the right balance and everything afterwards has been less and less fun.

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you had a cool pistol old man, now take your dementia pills

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Who excited for more summit kino and Chillin posting?

is this the one with banjo in it????????

A heh, heh *Siiiip*
Sure thing Jr.

Anyone have any rare new Axes?

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>the e-celeb meme game
try again please

cringe

Nice bait, remember to take a shower first before your next post

Anyone on the EC wanna play?

Different games for different audiences.

Brawl and onward specifically tried to remove competitive elements of the game because sock ur eye wants it to be a "party game".

...Mew2King Harkinian?

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Melee would be funner to me if the gameplay didn't overcentralize a single playstyle and basically fucked you over if you had shit movement, or was light or heavy and didn't have a gimmick (or game breaking tactic ala Jigglypuff) to back you up.
G&W's shield is not the reason he sucks dick, though it contributes a lot. It's the fact that he's light, lacks good movement, and is incredibly susceptible to combos, making him shit in nearly every category bar damage
Luigi has shitty mobility without wavedashing, which shouldn't be a substitute for actual options, it should be a proper supplement. His recovery is also ridiculously edgegaurdable.
I guarantee Icies and Peach would be shit without desynchs and float respectivley.
Also ledges fucked over too many characters for me to think it was a positive. Bowser, DK, Kirby, the Links, Mewtwo, etc. Throwing out balance because it's """"""entertaining""""" will never jive well with me.

>G&W
>Lacking good movement
What? His WD is great and he's got massive fucking hitboxes that stay out forever.
His main issue is him being the lightest character in the game and having a trash shield, forcing players to use lightshield to stay safe, which makes punishing on block really hard.