Is this objectively the best game ever made?

>yes
>no
>maybe
>i dont know
>can you repeat the question

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Yes

>Marle using Fire

No but it was great. I actually like Cross better.

Overrated, babby's first jrpg like FF7

There's always one in every thread.

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Maybe the best turn based rpg, which instantly disqualifies it as best game ever.

t. zoomer who never played either one

What's his Smash moveset?

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Don’t feed the trolls user. If you don’t take the bait then you win, they’re just fishing for (You)s.

never saw what was so special about it. extremely basic dialogue and very boring locations. i can't imagine anyone actually enjoys trudging through the future or far past for so long. the game has a lot of parts that just drag even if the game itself is short. and the gimmicky action time still doesn't change the fact that it's boring, repetitive turn based combat, that you engage in over, and over, and over.

Anime swordsman with a down+B counter

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>the game has a lot of parts that just drag
It really doesn't. It's paced fantastically well.

I swear to christ please don't.

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I've seen so many posts about Chrono Trigger that I'm going to finally pull the trigger and play it. I'm guessing the DS version is the way to go?

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Based.

Literal faggots.

t. casual who never played anything other than casual garbage.

No idea I've only played the DS version.

Yeah the DS version has extra content. Steam port is also playable now that they gave you the option to return to the original graphic style.

Calls in teammates through time gates to pull off double techs. Up Special is X-Strike, Down Special is Falcon Strike, Down Smash is Ice Sword, etc.

Anyone who says yes is an idiot.

It's not even the best SNES JRPG written by Yuji Horii involving time travel

Agreed. It is hands-down the best paced JRPG.

No but it's up there for sure
> 1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
> 2. Panzer Dragoon Saga
> 3. Final Fantasy VI
> 4. Chrono Cross
> 5. Chrono Trigger
> 6. Metroid Prime
> 7. Super Metroid
> 8. The Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past
> 9. SoulCalibur (1999)
> 10. Mother 3
> 11. Super Mario Galaxy
> 12. Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2
> 13. Resident Evil 4
> 14. Shadow of the Colossus
> 15. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

I figure this is a side effect of them designing it around multiple playthroughs.

Having his moveset be the party doing moves with him is an interesting idea, though I worry about all of them loaded into memory. Could that potentially affect performance, or would that only be affected when they're actually rendered?

I feel like X-strike might make more sense as Side Special, and maybe it works a bit like Ike's and Fox's smushed together.

fixed it just for you

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No, all of its praised aspects are severely overrated and only vindicated by time and nostalgia, save for the music which is still good after all these years, but has very little to do with why the game supposedly is one of the greatest.

Awkward mechanics like a hybrid pseudo turn-based combat (the same ATB system is used in other Square SNES titles like FF and Secret of Mana and they suffer from it as well) can be forgiven within the context, but the biggest offender is the narrative.
Time-traveling is extensively used but ironically keeps the story on a straight line instead of exploring the many possibilities such a narrative device offers. It turns a story that should have been an epic into a fun safari of prehistoric to futuristic settings until you get bored enough and decide to teleport to Lavos to end this world-ending entity that has existed for millenia to death with the power of friendship.

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eh, now I can see why they did it the way they did

I am curious. What did you find superior in Cross? I have great fondness for the game, especially in the aesthetics, but it's deeply flawed in design.

game is too easy and casual

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>ATB system
>SoM

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>the power of friendship
Nah, you pretty much just kick his ass
that's more like the power of....power

Actually it's just art from the prerelease/beta version on the game so Marle actually was fire elemental at the time.

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They would not be they all the time, they would come in through time gates as moves are preformed. For instance, XStrike eould habe Crono fly upward at a 60 degree angle. As he does this, a time gate opens and Frog flies up in the opposite direction, crossing with Crono in the middle before disappearing into another gate.

This. CC had literally the most kino setting in the history of video games, with god-tier Mitsuda music to boot. Everything else about the game was a 6/10 at best with the story being a giant middle finger to CT players.

I worded that poorly, I meant that Square was trying to differentiate itself with non turn-based combat and it resulted in worse systems like the ones you see in CT or FF or SoM

>grinding means hard
At least link Dragon Warrior 2 for NES then faggot

>Dalton actually made good on his threat, raised an army, and fucked up Chrono and the gang

while chrono trigger, is good, I must confess that I never understood crono and co's motivations. it's not like lavos will eat the planet on their lifespans anyways, and they're just some teengagers. they could just tell somebody else, and if people don't believe them, they can just live in peace.

>Dalton actually made good on his threat
This was added to the DS port way after CC was made. It's technically a retcon in CC, forcing you to not play as Chrono in the next game.

>no RTS
>no FPS
>no grand strategy or X4
>no tycoon
>no racers or simulators
Just add its list of best console games to avoid confusion.

I loved the aesthetic, graphics, music and all the different playable characters, even though many of them were kind of flat. It felt like there was more to Cross’ world at large outside of the characters, and I loved the story even though it has some glaring holes. Trigger is amazing though and it’s definitely close.

They saw how shitty the future was, and were sympathetic. It's a very simple, obvious answer they give you immediately after you come out of the storage area in Arris dome.

Metroid Prime is a FPS game, also the rest of those genres are complete shit which is why they died

>Is this objectively the most overrated game ever made?
ftfy

Its great but not the greatest. It did good things to rpgs like multiple endings which is still quite rare thing these days which is a shame, it gives replayability. Dozens of sidequests and choices with the characters is great too.

Im happy i got to play it in the 90s and im forever grateful for what it did to rpgs

Seething westcuck

>He has to grind to beat rpg's.

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An ancient entity so powerful it can turn an entire planet into a post apocalyptic wasteland and against which future technology was completely useless can be punched to death by a regular teenage boy, his new teenage friend and a frog-human doing comical Super Sentai moves. It's hard to take it seriously.

what is this image meant to imply

I can see why the girls would be sympathetic, because women are emotionally weak, but crono is a chad that wouldn't care.

try reading

>10. Mother 3
I know it's pride week, but can you guys calm down?

>A silent protagonist who is meant for the player to self-insert into is a sociopath "chad"
Speaks volumes about you, doesn't it?

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>try reading
fine

>Maybe the best turn based rpg
It's not even good at that.

The only thing i remember about cross was retarded sequence breaking that made me thing about speed running it

i mean, crono did totally steal that one old man's food in the carnival. and he slaughters animals and town guards alike without a care. if anything, he would totally see things from lavos's perspective.

>he couldn't get a unanimous not-guilty verdict
A sociopath AND a pleb? Shocker.

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This. CT is just terrible. Enemies pose no threat and deal a fraction of the damage the player character is capable of dishing out. There's almost no interesting spells or status effects, almost every ability simply deals damage. Dual/triple techs are just boring variations on the same 'do tons of damage' or 'heal tons of HP' template. Of the 100+ techs/spells in Chrono Trigger, less than 10 have a range that is something other than "single/all", and those less than 10 are some of the weakest in the game.
In addition, you have no way to influence positioning in any meaningful way, since your own characters can't move and while enemies technically can move, they do so extremely sporadically and are stationary most of the time. The combat is so bad that it ends up being even shallower than the simple front/back rows of other rpgs.
There's barely any exploration, it's a time travel game that is somehow completely on rails. It has incredibly shallow writing. Not a single character has a distinct voice, apart from Frog's heavy-handed Ye Olde English shtick. Everyone is a cliched archetype, the rebellious princess, the geeky scientist anime girl, the noble knight suffering from a curse, etc. We don't even know a single thing about Crono, the main character. What does he do for a living? Does he still go to school? That's how barebones the narrative is.
The multiple endings are even shallower than the overall narrative: they're either superficial variations on the same happy ending, or even worse, easter egg/joke endings. They're completely pointless and contribute nothing to the game.
Time travel is not even used in any meaningful way: instead of traveling back in time to prevent Lavos from becoming a threat, the characters travel forward in time to face him at the height of his powers and beat him up. The doom of all mankind, that destroyed a sci-fi civilization with advanced weaponry, can be punched to death by three teenagers. How does that make sense?

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None of them is dead, but keep your heavy bias. I am surprised you put only 2 zeldas in top ten, i have seen lists where zelda was there even 4 times.

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seething cope crpgcuck. chrono trigger is the most consdiered among the best games in the world.

every single character is memorable. even random generic npc's. it was the one of first rpg's to have sci-fi stuff in it, unlike your tolkien crpg garbage. it was also the game to invent multiple endings and new game plus.

the combat is so good! every boss requires it's own different strategy, and no grinding.

>every boss requires it's own different strategy,
You mean mashing attack and a tech and winning? It's objectively one of the weakest jrpgs to come out

>crpgcuck
no, they're far worse than that, JRPG elitists circlejerk whatever the latest untranslated falcom games are until they finally get translated, then they turn around and call them shit before moving onto the next

It’s a copypasta, dude.

No it's not. Name one thing goid about the garbage combat system

>chrono trigger is the most consdiered among the best games in the world.
Cool appeal to popularity. Neither Avatar nor Avengers #20 is one of the best films ever made just because it grossed nearly 3 billions worldwide.

ah! lol i'm sorry. I'm new here, it's just i get irrational when someone insults chrono trigger.

>falcomcuck falseflagging

double and triple techs are fucking hype.

Being able to see enemies on the world map and having your characters actually fighting on the same screen is still one of the coolest things in a jrpg

the AOEs being manipulatable by entering combat in different areas or by getting enemies ot stand closer to each other was a cool detail, it could have been so much easier on themselves.

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Really? And truth be told, I actually like Chrono Trigger, but I prefer other JRPGs over it. And to answer your question, I liked how the ATB made the combat felt fast paced and the combination attacks were cool as fuck to see.

This is good bait.

That is what made the plot so engaging in CT. In most RPGs, you are very reactionary; an evil threatens the world and you are spurred into action because you live in the world. Either you fight the Demi God or go home and wait to die. But in CT there is no present danger to the characters. You fight the giant space parasite not because you need to, but because you want to. Because of this, you have true agency as a character and everything that happens in the story is driven by your actions and your choices, not those of the villains.

>You mean mashing attack and a tech and winning?
Not that guy, and he's a turbo faggot, but at least try playing the fucking game before replying, Jesus.

No, but it's the best 2D JRPG. Possibly even the best JRPG.

>double and triple techs are fucking hype.
They aren't insteresting and are simply damage modifiers. How are they good again.
>Being able to see enemies on the world map and having your characters actually fighting on the same screen is still one of the coolest things in a jrpg
Literally nothing to do with the combat system
>the AOEs being manipulatable by entering combat in different areas or by getting enemies ot stand closer to each other was a cool detail,
These are just variations of the same attacks which do nothing and are just single/all. How is the combat good again?

GTA is the only game on this list that people still talk about

Completely disagree. I would very much prefer a tired and cliche Chosen One has to defeat Ancient Evil because they killed his parents and burned his village type of story. CT's story didn't carry as much emotional stake precisely because the looming threat is eliminated by outsiders as if it was just another thing to check off their grocery list. What if Sauron was defeated by a time traveler who saw in a crystal ball what would happen to Middle Earth if he didn't intervene?

>They aren't insteresting and are simply damage modifiers. How are they good again.
They look awesome and are short and sweet unlike the silly summons of say FF.

>They aren't insteresting and are simply damage modifiers. How are they good again.

it makes you feel cool, its like youre playing an anime where the cahracters do their cool combo moves.

>Literally nothing to do with the combat system

its much more fun than boring random encounters. how does it make sense that an emey comes up from fucking nowhere? and it makes you feel like youre playing an action game, none of that boring menu based turn based combat shit.

>I mean goku with red hair and a sword is cool
>the fandom isn't pure cancer like many JRPG fandoms

Looking cool doesn't mean they are good

Triggerniggers proving once again how their shitty game is only liked by people who don't like or play JRPGs.

>t makes you feel cool,
You can feel cool in games with actual good combat systems
>its much more fun than boring random encounters
There are billions of rpgs with on screen encounters

Best jrpg maybe. As a pure game it's pretty flawed. You can just spam certain moves all day and there is zero difficulty even on the hardest bosses.
When you factor in the world and events and characters it's among the best, but a lot of people like games and don't give a damn about any of that.

shut up dumb nigger

true
my autism kicked in

>When you factor in the world and events and characters it's among the best
Lolno, CT's world is incredibly small and dead, fuck, the so hyped kingdom of Zeal is LITERALLY one room, how can anyone seriously say this shit is beyond me.

Sounds like the best episode of Dr. Who ever.

CT works because you meet so many different people in the different time eras whose lives are affected by Lavos in one way or another. It is their stories that fuel your quest. If it was just "Lets hop over here and stop an apocolypse real quick", sure that would be lame. But the journey is so much more than that and your resolve to stop Lavos is strengthened by the lives you intervene in.

Okay but I like them :)

No, but Final Fantasy VII is the correct answer.

And they arent good

It's either this or Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3. Yoshi is more well rounded but Tony is better from a pure gameplay standpoint. The thing about calling a game like Chrono Trigger the best of all time is that you don't actually like it for its gameplay. You like it for the story and other supplementary aspects. The best game of all time has to be good as a game.

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Okay but I like them :)

Sounds like you read a pretty bare-bones walkthrough before coming here to post, man.

Only Magus has had his life ruined by Lavos and real motive from preventing his rise to power. But the story isn't even about him, and that's why it falls flat because Crono, Lucca and Marle could just easily stay in their own timeline and enjoy their regular lives.

I agree with the sentiment on ff7 it's a trash game but chrono trigger is legitimately good.

Sounds like you're pulling things out of your ass since you have no argument.
CT's world is dead, small and uninteresting, compare it to most other JRPGs of the time and it's already far behind, even DQIII outclasses it big time and it's a NES game, this is without taking out the big guns on the SNES with the SaGa or Metal Max games.

>any fighting game ever even being among the competition for best game ever

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Mad CTfag

go back to playing your fmv visula novel, ff7cuck

Yeah, they could, but they don't. Because they have the power to change history to save the future. It is a "with great power comes great responsibility" kind of story.

And what do you mean only Magus is affected by Lavos? Practically every single plot point, story arc and side quest in the game can be traced back to Lavos.

You have to understand he hasn't actually played the game.

>Zeal is LITERALLY one room

Who is pulling things out of their ass? The kingdom of Zeal is Enhasa, Najar, the Blackbird, Zeal Palace, Ocean Palace, and Black Omen.

>Airships are parts of a kingdom
>An empty dungeon is part of a kingdom

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>IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAY SO
get fuked brainlet nigger

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>Say something incredibly stupid
>Get told
>NO U
As expected, no wonder Square killed off the franchise after Cross, this sort of weaponized autism is dangerous.

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Look. If you are trying to convince people you played the game, you should probably stop posting stupid things.

Even if we did scratch off your "empty" dungeon, it still doesn't change the fact that Nadar alone has more than one room.

You said something dumb. Stop trying to obfuscate it by saying more dumb things.

if it was objectively the best game ever made, you wouldn't need to ask the question

That would explain things.

No you dumb bitches it's called Arc Impulse and it's in the fucking game. The only inaccurate thing on the cover is fighting Hekran in the snow field with Frog in the party.

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literally look at the screenshot in you dumb idiot

Beta content is not in the game, namely that fight with Hekran in a snow area, which IS the only inaccurate thing on the cover because Marle and Chrono combining their powers to create flaming energy on Chrono's sword (and footstooling off of Frog) is absolutely in the game, look at the gif in you fucking retard.

Not even close. Its music is stellar—perhaps the best ever. Its story is exceptional, too, but plot-holes prevent it from being the best ever.

But the best overall game has to have exceptional gameplay, too.

I don't know what the best game is, but it probably isn't a turn-based JRPG.

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She's casting some kinda ice nonsense at the sword, which is not what that cover looks like at all. It's only fire after he starts swinging (which really doesn't even make any sense, probably this animation was reworked hastily after marle's change from fire to ice).

>Beta content is not in the game
The artwork was based off the beta.

Not with the various contradictions in how the time travel works. But it's damn good aside from that.

I can see your point in regard to the difficulty, but the characters were never offensively bad. They carried their roles just fine and had enough to them to be more than one dimensional. The story too had some good twists and turns. It may be somewhat cliched by now, but that doesn't mean it was executed poorly.
What JRPG has been better overall?
Fuck off, falseflagger.

>it still doesn't change the fact that Nadar alone has more than one room.
A grand total of three rooms, big deal, with the palace being a single room with what, four people.
Fucking Guardia castle, a single location, was bigger and more densely populated than the entirety of Zeal and you have to pick not only multiple cities, but fucking airships and dungeons too.

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Based.

Chrono Trigger:
Dude time travel lmao
Chrono Cross:
Yes, but what are the implications of rendering a timeline invalid by changing the past? Is it moral to alter past events for the sake of "good" if it means sentencing countless lives in alternate timelines to nonexistence? (The answer to this, of course, is "fuck it" because you have to beat the video game.)

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>Shadow of the Colossus that low

it's objectively the worst game ever made

The story was less coherent and really of worse quality overall, but it was still interesting and incredibly emotional at times. The visuals are great and it still looks fantastic thanks to the mix of pre-rendered backgrounds and 3D effects, while the soundtrack is incredible. I liked the battle system a lot more than CT's as well.

>Yeah, they could, but they don't. Because they have the power to change history to save the future. It is a "with great power comes great responsibility" kind of story.
They have no reason to care. The gravitas of the situation is never treated properly by the teenagers themselves. Oh no... bad things are going to happen 1k years from now, we totally gotta stop this, it's our moral responsibility! They're more like kids playing with alien technology they dont understand, it's a miracle they didn't end up blowing the planet themselves, or altering timelines in ways they can't possibly predict.
> Practically every single plot point, story arc and side quest in the game can be traced back to Lavos.
Practically every modern human event can be traced back to X, what is your point? Does anyone care if Earth explodes in 2099 or 102099? What significantly changes if Crono decides throwing everything about his life on a whim without even talking to his mom is a good life decision and just nopes out of the narrative when he's back in the present?

you're objectively the worst person ever made

YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME NOW

>Freaking easy, literally beats itself
>Until the Magus fight where it rekts your ass
>Also you are stuck in that one room so you can't just go somewhere else and grind

Technically speaking she could be creating dry ice by freezing the CO2 in their breaths into that crystal thing that Chrono then strikes with his sword and conducts electricity into. You can, in fact, ignite dry ice as insane as that sounds. Plus, in the first place fire and ice magic are just the same power of thermal manipulation applied differently, she could be creating a magical burst that chills the air around the sword by shunting all the heat into what contacts he magic spark thing, there are many ways to rationalize it if you desire.

But seriously it's just Frozen Flame.

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There's the godawful new content in the DS version, but it'd be dumb to judge the game based on that.

>grind
Yep thats gonna be a YIKES from me.

No, play the SNES version. The DS version's extra content is terrible, and the Steam version still looks like shit even after the few fixes it got.

Nah her finger is extended but the magic has already happened and it's just the trail of Chrono's sword coming from that perspective.

>Chrono Trigger was clearly an RPG to me - one of the best ever, even. And the amount of choices and consequences you had in that game, like within the first hour, was just excellent. So if that falls under the umbrella of Japanese RPGs, which I'm guessing it would, then yes, they absolutely do.

-Chris Avellone
Yes.

>he got plebfiltered by magus

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PDS wasn't that good. It had a cool battle system and setting but the story was weak and rushed and the few towns sucked.

>And the amount of choices and consequences you had in that game, like within the first hour, was just excellent.
So none?
Cannellone, as always, outs himself as the hack he is.

>Zeal Palace is one room.

Good Lord. This is Zeal Palace, you utter nimrod. Separate from both Kajar and Enhasa.

Now stop shitposting and play the goddamn game already.

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Stay mad :)

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>What JRPG has been better overall?
Suikoden 2

no

see

Go back and maybe I will.

Could you give objective reasoning?

I didn't like it

Thank you for sharing your subjective opinion. It is a garbage opinion, to be sure. But you should never feel shy to share user.

>turn-based RPG
Wow it's as much fun as a DVD menu

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Not even the best JRPG.

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>What JRPG has been better overall?
As in standard JRPGs?
SaGa
Metal Max
Chrono Cross
Arc the Lad
Suikoden
EiyuuDen
Growlanser
Valkyrie Profile
And many others, if we're including SRPGs or other hybrids then the list gets bigger.

Any credibility you may have had was lost with that spoiler.

nintendobabbies go back to

Based

CC is better than CT

>ALPHA STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORM

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>chrono cross better than anything

no

It really isn't.

No reason to care that the future gets nuked by a genocidal monster? They do cate because they are actual fucking heroes and are able to actually care about people who aren't them. It mystifies me that you can't seem to comprehend someone wanting to do good for the sake of others if it doesn't directly benefit them. That is some straight Ayn Rand shit.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

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Cheers, mate. Let me just break out my magnifying glass right quick.

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>They have no reason to care.
I know this might be hard for you to understand, but other people can feel empathy towards others and undertake tasks to improve the lives of others at no real benefit to themselves. Look up philanthropy, maybe. Or consider that our current push against carbon emissions and global warming is specifically to improve the lives of future generations and not our own.

It does. CT is objectively bad since the gameplay is bad. CC is god tier when it comes to gameplay. Cope CTbabbies

But THPS3 is the worst of the first 4 games.

bros what the fuck do I do after the princess bitch gets taken of the castle during the first hour, I'm a retard and I can't shit

meanwhile chrono cross is forgotten in obscurity. while chrono trigger is one the most acclaimed games of all time.

I didn't know that "truth" had the same meaning as "bullshit".
Zoom retard.

*do shit
fuck, see what i'm saying

@464510101
Surely, you have better bait than this.

go to church

Damn btfo

Not even top 100. It is top 5 for JRPGs though.

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Cool appeal to popularity. Neither Avatar nor Avengers #20 is one of the best films ever made just because it grossed nearly 3 billions worldwide.

It's not close to top 5 with that shit story and garbage gameplay. Play a actual jrpg for once in your life.

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No, but def top 10 or 20.

>SMT
>Good stories
>MUH PRESS TURN

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explain

Compare to CT yeah

yes, fuck chrono cross shiteaters

I agree, how can people actually think CT is good.

Confirmed for dyslexia.

No; people who think CT is good are baiting. You are right.

The interests of the next generation or two is not the same as the fate of the world a thousand or ten thousand years from now. Just as I am more likely to care about my own country's or town's situation than what happens in some Chinese area whose name I can't begin to pronounce. The life of my pet is more important than thousands of people I've never met. I'm not trying to be edgy, just pointing out that human empathy has its limits and works better with things in relative closeness to us, whether in time, space, or culture.

Why do Crono, Lucca and Marle care so much about what happens in 1999 AD? Who knows. Crono is as bland of an MC as possible, effectively a mute too. That's the guy we're supposed to relate to? The protagonist of the greatest video game story ever told?

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Yes, yes it is.

Based

No. It's indisputably the greatest 2D JRPG, and is on the shortlist of greatest JRPG overall.

certainly gets close, I hate the word objective when it comes to something so subjective but Tetris is pretty objectively great

>It's indisputably the greatest 2D JRPG
It's not

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You will notice he stopped posting completely, heh. The fact people will so brazenly make shit up when maps exist online is mystifying.

>menu navigator
>game

>Button masher
>game

I dispute that. FF6 is just as good, if not better.

usually i can understand why people overrate games but this one i just can't. the story doesn't do anything special with the time travel mechanic, none of the characters have any development except the frog, and the combat is just turn based with a timer. music is the only saving grace.

>Fucking DDS 2 there

DDS is great pleb

It's the objective truth
>Better characters
>More characters
>Better gameplay
>Better world
>Better story
>Better art
Not in a million years

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I played both, Chrono Triggers is more memorable than Cross, that dual universe shit and body swap is confusing as fuck. CT at least very coherent even though there some time paradox shit.

DDS1 was great. DDS2 was fucking terrible.

DDS not DDS 2, the final arc was retarded

give me a tl;dr version, I ain't reading that wall of text

2 is better than 1. Cope

Yes, it has the perfect game length. In fact it's perfectly balanced in almost every way. It's like the golden ratio of console rpgs. Other games might have stronger points here and there, like more content or a better battle system, but CT puts it all together. The cohesiveness is a big reason why it's so memorable.

Fuck off Tadashi

Whoa, very big dick-ed

Man, they literally meet people in 2300 AD affected by Lavos' destruction. Like a lot of people leaving in misery and despair. They even risk their necks going down to the food storage to help them. Do you expect them to turn around and go "Well, sucks to be you! I'm going home."?

Also Crono is not a mute. Not only does he have dialogue options throughout the game, characters steer constantly reacting to him as if he said something. "Gone? What do you mean she's gone?" and the like.

Crono also emotes through his sprite a lot. And his actions dictate a lot of his personality (Following Marle back in time, Sacraficing himself to save his friends from Lavos, etc). Okay, he's not Cloud Strife or anything, but far from bland or boring.

A good soundtrack is a huge nostalgia bonus
For its time, CT was a colorful and imaginative fantasy like few other games were. And 90% of the games that tried to tell a coherent story were turn based

>GAME I LIKE GOOD
>GAME YOU LIKE BAD
>PEOPLE WHO LIKE GAME YOU LIKE TALK STUPID LOL

Far better games have more overall qualities then shit trigger

>Better characters
Not fleshed out enough to be better.
>More characters
Takes focus away from all of them and makes the collective worse.
>Better gameplay
Not an argument.
>Better world
True.
>Better story
see >Better art
True.

Plot dumps by characters.

*than

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>greatest hits
>not snes versions

see

>Man, they literally meet people in 2300 AD affected by Lavos' destruction.
And by altering history, they could literally unmake them from existence. You're talking about teenagers who don't know what they're doing.

It's a objective fact there are far better games than Shit Trigger. In addition to Shit Trigger being garbage

>>Better characters
>Not fleshed out enough to be better.
Excuse me?
Even somebody like Fargo is more "fleshed out" than anybody in CT.
>Takes focus away from all of them
The focus isn't the character, the focus is the worldbuilding, which absolutely demolishes CT.
CC has a much more intricate, characterized and alive world, especially because you have all of those recruitable characters with their own little stories.
>Not an argument.
You gotta be kidding me, how is the major point of a game being better not an argument?
>see
Some meme image macro made by a dumbass on Yea Forums?You sure showed me.

never played it but I heard boomers love it.

>Better characters
Only 3 of which have anything to do with the main story. Over half have fuck all to do with anything.

>More characters
Arguably one of the worst design choices in the game. Not only does it severely hamper the game's dialouge, it dumbs down the combat and neuters the half-assed tech system.

>Better gameplay
The combat is cool, but it is rough arpund the edges and is negatively impacted by the large roster. Plus CT had a lot of minigames and alternate gameplay segments that CC doesn't.

>Better world
El Nido is a great location with some beautiful visuals. Not going to argue with you there (although some of the world-building is really stupid).

>Better story
Good Lord, no. There is the foundation of something really great here and some excellent scenes, but as is? The story is told very sloppily, mostly be info dump at the end if the game. The pacing is totally whacked. Screeching to a halt several times and leaving you adrift to find the plot again yourself. And it shoehorns in a really terribly-delivered enviromentalism message that would be laughed off an episode of Captain Planet.

>Better art
Subjective, but again I won't argue with you, especially when it comes to enviroment art. Also colors, because goddamn, is the palette pretty.

it's sacrilege not having played that game. You should kindly leave this place back to whatever hellhole you came from.

>Even somebody like Fargo is more "fleshed out" than anybody in CT.
The fact that I don't remember Fargo says enough.
>The focus isn't the character, the focus is the worldbuilding, which absolutely demolishes CT.
>CC has a much more intricate, characterized and alive world
That's why I gave you that it has the better world.
>You gotta be kidding me, how is the major point of a game being better not an argument?
Because it's overgeneralized as fuck and means absolutely nothing because of it.
>Some meme image macro made by a dumbass on Yea Forums?You sure showed me.
It's your choice to willfully ignore the point I'm trying to make with it, but don't act like that suddenly makes you right.

Radical dreamers was kind of boring. No gameplay to speak of

I'll be the judge; His arguments are much more compelling than yours even though I think cc is much inferior to ct

If it is I wouldn't know, I haven't played it yet...

Isn't it a text adventure?

We are talking about chrono trigger, not shit trigger.

He hasn't given me much to work with yet.

God I love autism

The fact that you don't remember Fargo is very clearly on you.

Yes. With minimal graphics. If I remember correctly it explains what magus does after lavos

it's more of a text vn

They actually met people plenty of people affected when they traveled to the future, though. Of course technically saving them condemns them to nonexistence, because they won't be born outside of the dark future, so let's just assume they didn't think about that.

Why don't you elaborate on what makes him so much better then?

Sure, and CC definitely shows you can rework the story to make their actions misguided. But just because you don't agree with their motivations doesn't mean they don't have any, which was the original argument.

>you have all of those recruitable characters with their own little stories.

Unfortunatly, most of those stories start when you recruit them, go nowhere until you find their 3rd tech, then promptly conclude. And the ones with bigger stories take place entirely as NPCs. Once they are in your party, they are just exposition machines.

I don't want to get into this argument, because Chrono arguments are the most cyclical and pointless threads on Yea Forums, but Fargo had like 10% of the game dedicated to him. Two party members are his children, one is his sister-in-law, you have two dungeons on his ship which you go back to like 4 or 5 times, he has a boss battle, he's the most useful party member for like half the game, he's one of the only party members you meet in both universes, he's mandatory for your party several times, he shows up in a bunch of scenes even if he isn't in your party, etc.

If you don't remember Fargo, it's because you don't remember the game you're arguing against.

It's a visual novel with random battles.

Almost but I prefer the DS version

is there a reason? I heard it has loading?

I only remember Nikki being his kid and him having a failed relationship with the mermaid.

i'd think this list was a joke if I wasn't familiar with this garbage board

I wanted to replay this game but it's fucking ugly on emulators compared to what I remember. I just gave up disgusted.

Better menus with the touchscreen
Better translation such as Frog not talking like a shakespearean for no reason
Anime cutscenes from the PS1
Also I dont remember any loading

Marcy is also his kid, and the mermaid was his wife's sister, not his wife.

The problem is that Fargo's story is ultimately irrelevant to the great plot at large. It doesn't have any direct ties to Serge and his LttP-esque world hopping adventure. It's just this one-off arc that connects a bunch of NPCs and leads to a plot McGuffin that carries the story forward.

All these threads are the fucking same, find something underrated to talk about. Yes chrono trigger is amazing, yes we all know this, why not have a lore thread about it instead, or talk about grandia or something. Jesus

>most fucking retarded battle system to ever grace an RPG.
>god tier when it comes to gameplay.

Is there any way to play chrono cross on a ps4?

>most fucking retarded battle system to ever grace an RPG.
I agree CT is pure shit

no

>If you don't remember Fargo, it's because you don't remember the game you're arguing against.
I didn't do much that wasn't related to the main story. I never did it to begin with if it was optional.
>I don't want to get into this argument, because Chrono arguments are the most cyclical and pointless threads on Yea Forums
Then don't make the claim in the first place.

>>most fucking retarded battle system to ever grace an RPG.
That's Magna Carta.

Chrono Cross is basically the poster child for PGXP, it's like night and day.
youtube.com/watch?v=1kFqUBwTeJk

It doesn't have any direct links, but it has plenty of thematic links, with the whole Romeo and Juliet thing he had going on between species and producing Nikki as a literal "cross" between them.

That's all in the main story. It also sounds like you never wanted to like Cross in the first place.

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Finally, someone on this board with some fucking taste

both versions look fucking awful. it needs a crt tv for those colors.

>CT
>simple but definitely fun, especially when you figure out a certain magical elements can have unique effects on some enemy types/bosses.
>chrono cross
>hurr durr field color bullshit
>hurr durr weak attacks vs strong attacks and accuracy bullshit
>pardon me while i take 30 fucking minutes explaining the basic battle mechanics young lad.
It's a bunch of retarded fluff that makes the game less fun and only serves to trick retards into thinking it's deep or good in any way.

I can't tell the difference.

Glenn's thing on his back isn't showing properly on the left side. That's all I could see.

CC was different for the sake of being different, they could have elaborated on CT battle system and just worked on making it better, team attacks, positioning, discovering new moves based on team combination giving incentive to try out new characters, etc.
Instead they just made it into a fucking chore.

>That's all in the main story. It also sounds like you never wanted to like Cross in the first place.
I played Cross years ago. It was by no means bad, but the characters were never anything to write home about. They didn't have nearly as much of an impact as those in Trigger like the guy who was supposed to be Magus, but had that thread scrapped. It's just too full of missed opportunities and dumb decisions to be regarded as better and you're not proving anything by making claims without reasoning and ignoring the majority of my points.

trust me there's a difference. Play some full 3d game like Tenchu with it on and then off. It's better you see for yourself. Remember those jiggly polygons from the original psx? with it you don't have that anymore.

Impossible since it is not perfect nor is it so insanely good that you could play it to the point of addiction. Very few games deserve to be recognized as such.

My only point is that your point about Fargo is dumb, because that clearly has more to do with you not even remembering the game, and not to do with the whether or not Fargo is a good or fleshed out character.

Fair enough.