>Duke Nukem is a relic from another time, there is no way he will succeed nowadays because of Political Correctness
Gearbox and DNF being a steaming donkey shit aside, is that really true?
If someone was to actually make a Duke Nukem game, but true to the character (while modernizing him a little just so he's not completely out of date) and keeping the more subtle and underplayed comedy of Duke 3D, would it legit actually fail just because Duke is a womanizing bastard?
No he wouldn't fail even the way he was, his recent game just sucked dick.
his model here looks like a bleached nigger, why didnt they just keep his model-type from like, time to kill or land of the babes?
Why do they keep insisting that is the reason though? Even Broussard suggested it was.
a new duke game could easily do well but he's owned by perhaps the single worst video game company
Duke would be fine if he was in a decent game. Sexism was just as taboo in the 90s and everyone knew Duke was a joke/parody.
Duke 3D was a masterpiece but not just due to Duke, had great level design and music and gameplay. DNF lacked both of those (save for a few music tracks).
because journos are faggots with dicks in their mouths/asses
I was in love with it when it came out because no other game had that level of interactivity in its stages. When you grew up jumping around mushroom kingdoms it was the light of the ark of the covenant to use a toilet in a video game.
EAT SHIT AND DIE
no. Nobody cares about retarded idpol in the real world. The game was just shit.
If you do a Duke Nukem with smth like nuDoom modernization and keep the old duke personality/jokes, it would sales buttloads
>while modernizing him a little just so he's not completely out of date
What did you mean by this?
who ? the only reason the game failed was because it was utter shit, anything else is just weak tentatives to shift the blame or create a flase narrative
Just make Duke more of an actual grizzled action hero rather than a 90s caricature. What made Duke work as the hero was that aside from a few little gags, the world around him was really grounded and dark. Forever made every single character in that game as jokey as he was and so a lot of stuff didn't land well. Duke 5 would need to perfectly replicate the tone of 3D or the 2001 version of Forever to actually work. I don't trust Gearbox to do that though
He's a corny 90s mascot. It would be like bringing back He-man
No lol, if anything it would succeed more because of it, gamers hate political correctness
His voice actor is a massive social justice warrior.
I WANT BURGERS AND STEAK FRIES
In the 90s he was a corny 80's mascot.
If they make a new one it needs to be called DUKE
>while modernizing him a little just so he's not completely out of date
huh, how would you "modernize" him
It would fail because everyone is a pussy and wouldn't write him like the badass womanizer he is. Not because his character isn't still great.
There are dozens of action heroes from the 80's that people still love that are waaay worse than duke.
It would have to actually be a good game on its own merits.
Actual gamer crowd will play the everliving shit out of it.
A fucking porn sci-fi game has collected two millions on kickstarter not a long time ago.
She is now a black woman named "QUEEN SLAY YAASSSS"
It would be an improvement
that's exactly why it should work.
Do it like the stallone flick, Demolition Man. Except no time travel, he just comes out of retirement to present day.
>power armor is for pussies
>can only carry 2 weapons
They'll make a game with some raunchy jokes so none of the SJWs will buy it and a black person will be within 50ft of Duke so /vpol/ will call it a cringe cuck game and as a result a game that doesn't feature any politics will be destroyed by people putting politics in games who shout about not wanting politics in games.
Setting aside that people would force themselves to like Duke more to adhere to their sense of political incorrectness, Duke is too much of a relic for this post-ironic society for anyone to seriously think he's entertaining or badass for reasons other than nostalgia, because everyone else would just rap on him for his lack of self-awareness since genuine macho fantasies will nowadays just get penned down as 'cringe'. No matter how you put it, Duke is a hasbeen, both in terms of personality and relevance. I only need to say BAZINGA and everyone will know what I'm talking about.
The only way Duke as a character could really work nowadays without coming off as a soulless rehash of the original is by acknowledging his social status as a hasbeen. One where Duke got overweight, had to move to a trailer with his twin wives (one which left him for some guy named Randy and the other is a bitch) after Forever sold like shit and left him with crippling PTSD when he hears the word 'forever'. He's trying to relive his glory days like all his other FPS buddies did, but none of his old fans want to shake hands with him because nobody wants to shake hands with a man who grabs his turds. His Ego bar is basically non-existent, the only thing protecting him from physical attacks is his body fat which needs to be refilled with junk food and alcohol. He says his one-liners more out of habit, but nobody really thinks they're cool anymore. His Jetpack can't last more than three seconds because of his weight. And nowadays there's all these fancy black female action heroes everyone looks up to instead, and all the babes to be rescued are not really babes.
However, as the game goes on and the more he overcomes his own depression, he steadily recovers his self-confidence as his ego bar grows larger, and by the end when Duke is back, he will have to find his place in this new world. Maybe he'll set out to find the Planet of the Babes, and return to Earth when he's needed again.
My friend has a religion based on Douk Nukem, with battletoads taking important role too
Set the game in (((current year))), make him adapt to modern world like Stalonne in Demolition man
>is completely shitfaced after one (1) can of beer
get out of here randy
That sounds like absolute trash
And? He’s still a chad.
Duke was a parody/rip off of 90s and 80s popular culture down to his oneliners and references in the games, and the macho cliches he embodied were outdated and thus ridiculously funny even when Duke games were in their prime. If the character was brought back as is, lots of comedy about him would just fly over zoomer's heads and I don't like idea of updating Duke into parodying 2000s popular culture.
That's also the main reason why despite it's solid gameplay and impact on the genre, young gamers aren't really that much into Duke, even old Doom and Quake games have occasional surges in interest of zoomers. Duke Nukem isn't really timeless character, he and charm of his games were very tightly tied to cultural climate of their era.
no that would be a cringy cliche, he needs to stay in the 90s
Would you play a quasi-reboot Duke game if it was like the new God of War?
No, it ruined GoW for me.
I can kind of see it working if instead of his BOI he instead is egged on by a fan who wants him to go back to his old self.
the interactable pool table is what sold me on PC gaming for the rest of my life. i'd never seen anything like that on console. such a basic thing but so cool at the time
PCism is only half the problem. Duke was funny because Duke levels were more interactive (hookers or billiard tables) and because he spouted movie quotes. For the 90s this was unique and really funny, but it stopped being funny when everyone got online and did it to death. What movies would Duke even reference now? Either he's using dated one-liners that only men in their 40s will get or he'll be referencing garbage movies nobody saw over the past two decades.
That's the problem. He's satire in a world that has become such a joke that it can't easily be satirized. Duke made fucking Monica Lewinsky jokes, you can guess how well a Stormy Daniels joke would go down with /pol/ or discord trannies (answer: poorly).
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Oh, I thought he was the black chick
what the fuck
>gamers hate political correctness
Gamers wouldn't be making it.
Gearbox (Turbo SJWS) owns it.
There is a guy that was on one of the first /VGA/s, he did a great impression of douk. My point is there are other people that can be Duke just fine.
I can only see Duke working if he went the nuWolfenstein route like BJ, albeit with more self-awareness and not being so serious about muh feelings.
>nuWolfenstein route
>1/3 cutscenes
>no final boss fight
No user, let it die.
OP suggested a hypothetical scenario in which Duke stayed true to his character
OP is a fag.
I meant in terms of character, not gameplay. And TNO/TOB did have final bosses, only TNC half-assed the final boss fight.
>impact on the genre
What impact? You just said yourself he was more a product of existing tropes than a pioneer or similar for other games.
This, the problem was dnf was shit, and also took Duke too seriously.
I could see it working if they came up with a new enemy. Generic aliens don't work anymore, they're boring and the sex jokes derived from them fall flat. Going way back, one of the big reasons WW2 shooters ascended in the early 00s was because the enemies were different and seemed threatening. This is especially notable with Bioshock, which isn't a WW2 shooter but whose NPCs had a lot of character in them. Same for Postal 2, although Postal 2's mechanics are so different it at least let the player shoot cops which 3D Realms never had the guts to do (hence pig cops).
Cast Duke as a damaged Benoit-like character in a broken world, fighting off junkies and actual cops while hitting up the few good looking women tucked away in hidden places. Set it up like the Terminator, where Duke has to go to LA for something but has to fight his way into heroin factory or something and stop the US from being mind controlled. It'd just become a copy of Bioshock though.
Impersonating him would mean using Jon's likeness and getting sued
Agreeing with the other poster, you sound like Randy Pitchford.
That's not how copyright works. Duke is a character that belongs to Gearbox, they can cast whatever voice actor to do Duke.
that would be terrible
Fuck you I liked Forever
If it came out when it was supposed to nobody would have disliked it
They own the character but they don't own Jon's likeness. They can cast whoever they want but they can't have someone impersonate Jon's voice, that would be using his likeness.
No, it would fail because he's just a collection of Army of Darkness quotes and nobody today knows what that is.
Thats not how it works lmao.
Plenty of characters have been recast before user.
No. Jon does not talk like that in real life, he is acting when he voices Duke, dukes voice is not his likeness and does not belong o him. Film directors and game devs change voice actors for characters all the time. Why do i have to explain things this basic
>too much of a relic for this post-ironic society
This is the only real answer.
It's not about him being macho or femishits or whoever.
It's just the plain fact that straight 'cool dude beats baddies' stories simply don't fly anymore.
Everything has to be subverted and the subversions have to be subverted ontop of that.
How did it fucking come to this
What was politically incorrect about Duke Nukem 3D? The "aliens are taking are women" plot, a few strippers and that "Time for some R and R" audio clip at the end? None of those are really important to what the game is. People have conflated Duke Nukem with womanizing when honestly you could take all of those elements out of the game and Duke 3D would still hold the same position as an important FPS game. It's about fun weapons, fast gameplay, and interactive levels. There are plenty of ways for Duke to be a big dumb action hero with wisecracks that don't involve strippers and even good writing could allow for some of those elements to stay in. There's nothing politically incorrect about a seedy red-light district being seedy.
That didn't work out well for Star Wars though.
Money, money is politics.
>Film directors and game devs change voice actors for characters all the time.
Yeah but they don't hire impersonators you retard. Likeness rights exist.
Duke was always out of date and that's why he was funny. He's an early 80s action star in a mid-90s FPS.
Duke Forever did a lot of things wrong but I don't think the humor or Duke's personality is one of them.
>Duke Nukem Forever 2 is made
>It's a legit 10/10
>The reviews it gets are 2/10 or 5/10 and calling the game and its character a "relic of the past", putting the games metacritic in the 50's or 60's, essentially on par with Anthem
Outside of a really strong push by YouTube critics, the game would flounder with review scores like that.
Duke was always shit to be honest. He's just a power fantasy for comic book tier nerds who never admit to liking comics because they don't want to look nerdy.
Because they fundamentally don’t understand what make video games good
>is that really true?
Yes. You see what they did to tomb raider? Not only is the main character not allowed to exist as it was, the game itself isn't even allowed to be TR due to the vapidity and generally low intelligence of modern people.
How the fuck are modern people responsible for how the new TR games turned out?
That's due to the fucking companies getting the wrong idea and believing that women would buy the game more if the lead character looked modest and "ordinary". And they were wrong.
Why is Hayter fucked then?
I get that you are mad and you want to insult me, but as i have already explained you are wrong.
Kiefer sounded nothing like him lol
Because modern people are having the Offended Olympics which has been going on for years. People look for anything to be offended about and if nothing is there, they'll just make something up.
You're exactly the type of person I'm talking about too, btw. Complete low IQ moron. Just an absolute asshat who refuses to even look things up. You totally made up that second bit. It's well known that TRs look was overhauled due to feminist reasons and the removed the puzzle aspect because modern people do not like puzzles or challenges involving having to think.
Based Ash poster, shame Ash is dead as in he will never reprise the role, Bruce that is lol
Hayter was recently hired to voice act Snake in Super Bomberman R for all that matters.
The fuck?
The puzzle aspect is partially because back in the 90s games were shorter, so they made them extra hard to increase the playtime. That and people didn't know how to streamline properly.
Most modern people aren't looking to be offended, but a vocal minority of people are however, the fact you imply most people are like that is laughable.
Also way to insult me by accusing me of being easily offended. You didn't even provide links regarding the feminist reasons. I'm assuming people in the company believed that shit. They think it will increase profits but it hasn't really worked.
Also you sound like someone with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, they always talk like you do.
>macho men no longer exist and no longer cool
Randy is a faggot and this just shows how true it is. Men love idea of manly man, women are irrelevant in FPS market space.
Damn straight. It's all a bunch of pussy developers.
I mean if that was true why is Doom 2016 so fucking popular?
He tips his strippers and compliments women when he saves them, I think he could be handled properly to exist in today's environment without compromising his character.
But I do think they'd fuck it up anyway if they tried again. It also has the problem of the audience. A lot of Duke fans have given up, or died, or don't play video games anymore, and I certainly don't want Duke to be "modernized" for current audiences.
I would love to see the Duke return and do well, but I just don't think it's very likely.
duke nukem wasn't a womanising bastard though