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How are your mains holding on Yea Forums?
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Jonathan Thomas
She wasn't nerfed at least.
Jacob Brooks
WHERE ARE THE BUFFS
WHERE ARE THE BUFFS
WHERE ARE THE BUFFS
Hudson Long
Nothing changed, but maybe I'll pickup lucario.
Jackson Nelson
I'm trash at the game but I'm at least happy that the rod is back where it should be.
Noah Long
She was already buffed a lot last time and she did get a slight buff this time around
Owen Hall
"he was supposed to be a joke and now the joke is on the people that main him" Masahiro Sakurai, 2019
Brandon Reyes
Perfectly balanced
Dylan Hill
Any changes to DK? If nothing major I guess thats okay
Landon Cruz
As someone with Pichu as a secondary, I honestly don't feel like she got hit too badly outside of f-tilt. The character was designed with self-damage in mind so this is just making you actually acknowledge it a bit more
Bullet seed almost actually working feels good
Apparently fully charged punch has more super armor
Blake Wright
I think his donkey punch has longer super armor or something like that.
Gavin Ramirez
Mostly fine.
Not the buff we hopped for, but it's still better than nothing.
Andrew Powell
What was his buff anyways? I really don't see any difference. Was it his up special if I recall?
Kevin Taylor
Mewtwo. He feels a tad bit too slow.
Levi Gonzalez
Solid
Elijah Morris
his recovery got buffed a lot last time and the only buff this current patch was matching his jab connect
although I personally think Incineroar is perfect the way he is and characters like K Rool, Ridley and Piranha Plant are in dire need of more buffs
Camden Watson
There was a patch?
Hows the king holding up?
Did they fix his copter?
Give him more belly armor?
Jace Sanchez
did anything happen to zelda?
Sebastian Russell
The king is dead
Long live the king
Also my main Zelda got jack shit
Justin Hill
They keep changing Ness in really unorthodox ways. Every major patch is just another "he didn't really need that but ok" buff
Nathan Miller
>i'm gonna be one of the only olimar mains left
feels fucking good man
Wyatt Anderson
Fuck you puff mains are absolute cancer. Imagine having the gall to beg for even more buffs. Get the fuck outta here.
Wyatt Edwards
I think it's just is neutral combo, when you mash the A button. Sometime you could whiff because the ennemy was flying to far away.
Seems like this will happen less now.
Honestly the best part of this patch is that most of the top tier were good against Incineroar and now, we'll hopefully get some space to breathe.
Aiden Young
>Nobody mains Dark Pit/Pit but me
>Slight buff
everything is fine
Lincoln Martinez
any rosalina changes?
Caleb Martinez
>no bulbmin
big gay
Adrian Mitchell
reduced Luma's stamina but also shortened Luma's respawn time
Luis Nguyen
Mario is unchanged so i'm good
Benjamin Barnes
Now that you mention it, his jab did always seem to be a little off, I guess that's ok. But yeah other than that, he is already as good as he can be.
Hunter Campbell
No
Luis Nelson
>woomy is untouched
>wii fit is still going strong
>bowser is just fine
I feel wonderful
Connor Cook
o
Colton Martin
Doing real fucking well
Brandon Rivera
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Lots of buffs with one nerf. I don't main Rosa and never run into any online so I don't know how useful they are though.
Tyler Hughes
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she did get other buffs
the Luma thing might end up really good for her
Thomas Russell
What changes for
Ridley
K Rool
Mii Gunner
Duck Hunt
Thanks.
Blake Morris
>Ridley and K.Rool
Literally nothing, not memeing. They're still bottom tier.
Colton Morales
The link has been posted multiple times. It's seconds away on google. Look it up yourself.
Jonathan Smith
I finally leveled my Amiibo to Level 50 through training it only: No spirits shenanigans, only 1v1s against my own Doc. It now spams Back Air & UpSmashes. It's beautiful
Nicholas Bell
How bad were the self damage nerfs? Are we talking melee tier self damage? I can get over f-tilt.
Matthew Young
>Shulk hasn't been nerfed at all since the game's release
I feel pretty good.
John Thompson
Everything does about 1.5x more damage, from what I've seen
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Cooper Bailey
I know people love to hate him but I'm glad Ike didn't get nerfed, especially since he's falling off the radar.
The Ryu and Ken buffs are more than welcome too.
Owen Thompson
>that image
I still remember when everyone on Twitter wanted to fuck Sidon during the botw season. Even some friends I knew also had a hard on for him. I guess history does tend to sometimes repeat itself, assuming that they were being serious and not tweeting for giggles and shit.
Nolan Parker
Nothing for Ridley
You can grab the ledge sooner after using K.Rool UpAir
Gunner's UpSmash links more reliably
Duck Hunt's UpAir links more reliably
Evan Morris
LTG just broke his joycons because a lucina beat him and is mad that nobody is donating
Aiden Young
>Ridley's Up B still not fixed
Alright then.
Jayden Jenkins
lowest of the low tiers, and all he got this patch was a nerf
Cooper Sullivan
Untouched
But I’m glad Wii fit trainer got some buffs too.
Cooper Davis
He wasn't my main since I was shit at Smash 4 with him but he's looking interesting now. Now to figure out how play him agian. Rosalina is doing pretty good though.
Justin Ross
why is he opening his mouth like that
Alexander Gomez
>f-tilt into a shoryuken breaks shield
Is it our time?
Dylan Sullivan
he's going to suck a dick
John Cook
>Falcon buffs
>no changes to Wario at all
>all those Pichu mains that were probably teabagging shitters getting what was coming to them
This was a good patch indeed.
Cameron Cooper
>Doc gets FUCKING NOTHING
T-thanks, Soccer-Guy.
Benjamin Rivera
Geez. I still love my little sauce God though. I’ll make it work. Worst case scenario, he’ll become a secondary and my ZSS or Falcon can become my main.
Thomas Rivera
I just saw all the ken/ryu buffs, I hope more people start playing them
Aiden Murphy
link to patch notes?
Adam Ortiz
>Falcon buffs
Hope Fatality is about to come up in Ultimate
Anthony Baker
You can now grab the ledge better after up air
Matthew Foster
Ryu was my favorite in Smash 4. Dropped him in Ultimate because the auto turn around felt weird but this patch is tempting me to give him another shot.
Asher Martinez
It just might be. I wish the input buffer wasn't so big, it'd make Ryu and Ken even better.
Considering how many smash players were revolted by the idea of a fireball motion, I think the SFs will still be too much work for most.
Wyatt Evans
woomy wins by doing fucking nothing
Cooper Reyes
All clear here
Carson Rivera
Doing okay enough for the most part. Would've been nice if Robin got something, but eh.
Jacob Jenkins
I expected Super Cyclone to be nerfed eventually, but they did give him a great grab range buff. Hang in there Luigibro.
Cooper Young
FUCKING STOP POLLUTING ONLINE MATCHES WITH JOKER
GOD DAMN
Grayson Perry
Fuck the nerfs, do we have a datamine yet? I need to know if Nintendo fucked up and left in victory themes like they did in Sm4sh
Kevin White
this fucking disgusting fat peice shit is better than pichu and peach yet remains untouched
Xavier Hill
>"HAHAHAHA PICHU IS TRASH NOW GET FUCKED"
>not a single change here makes the character significantly worse, it's just incredibly minor adjustments
Just because there was a lot of nerfs to moves doesn't mean they were meta-breaking changes. Taking an extra 3% from fair or ftilt killing 5% later isn't turning Pichu into a new bottom tier, just like how Mewtwo's "insane buffs" last patch did basically nothing to fix him. Pichu will still bair loop you to 80% and kill.
Landon Morris
Feelin' Fine
Wyatt Walker
>falco
nothing, I don't know how to feel, will he be left behind? dunno.
Sebastian Torres
>Ridley
He wasn't nerfed at least... yet anyway. Just give him and Rool some love please.
Ayden Thompson
What are you talking about?
Wario is a mid tier
Isaiah White
He got some buffs, but I haven't played in ages until tonight, so I dunno what exactly got tweaked.
Jace Bell
A few changes that weren't in the patch notes have been noticed. Most notably, Mii Brawler's Fall Speed & Fast Fall Speed are lower, making him floatier, and his Forward Air short hop autocancels now.
Jordan Campbell
Stop begging for buffs about Ridley, he's fucking fine you shitters.
Oliver Price
Can I get some uhhhhhhhhh buffs please
Brayden Robinson
yeah, sure
>buffs elfire's knockback so it can't combo into itself anymore
Ayden Gonzalez
You're joking right? His hitbox is 1/3 bigger and his moves give him 1.5X more damage. He's bigger than Pikachu now.
His survive ability took an unironcally big hit. He's not trash, but he's much more inconsitent. His nerfs run laps around the significance of Mewtwo's buffs
Gavin Smith
Of the 8 matches of quickplay I have played since Jokers release I have never seen a Joker, does he only show up at low GSP or something?
Jaxon Lopez
i just want old cyclone back... is that too much to ask?
Angel Brown
Luigi needs a buff.
Brandon Walker
Fuck off Hbox
John Moore
Comfy untouched
Jackson Adams
They already took away Arcthunder and down throw, why the fuck not? Let's also make forward air do more knockback at low percents, thus removing every single move that could possibly start a combo.
Alexander Wright
Did the Pits get any buffs?
Samuel Gonzalez
I bet she's next
Levi Wood
Not good man. I just played like 30 games with a samus as Corrin and every single time I whiffed or hit their shield the fucker grabbed me. I was starting to win by the end, but the time that I did, it turns out they just DC'd. I won once.
I think I don't like 1v1s, with the constant pressure to be out thinking your opponent with limited options. Next time I get the opportunity to play I'm gonna try 2v2s, free for alls, hazards on, and all that shit.
Competition in general is just starting to feel like too much of a struggle to me. When you get past the point where nobody knows what they're doing and you can just stomp them doing whatever; all there is ahead is just an endless spiral of strife to a transitory peak.
The situation is a result of me being too much like my main, I want to play with people but I don't want to fight. You can tell me to git gud, but I think I'll try to git gud at drawing instead and just stick to being a casual. Thanks Samus.
Josiah Roberts
only dp
Jack Morris
Just saw a streamer play Ken right now.
Holy mother of god. He's so fucking broken now. Gonna pick him up. Heads up: Heavy close Jab combos into Input Shoryuken. Kills at about 70%. Light characters can die from Jab Locks (courtesy of light input tatsu) at like 35%
Evan Hughes
Isaiah Jenkins
what a fucking pussy
Robert Scott
I really wish she'd get nerfs.
James Gutierrez
>Bayo actually buffed pretty well
Color me surprised.
Brayden Barnes
Well that's going right in the ol' ara ara folder.
Ian Hall
why dont you link the original source so everybody can give that precious YES to nintnedo? faggot bear
Blake Campbell
Wario bros ww@
We're still a top tier
Grayson Clark
googling it gives like 90 sources that aren't nintendo
Robert Scott
It's true, the mistake was denying it.
Eli Lopez
>a Sakurai baby child
>getting Nerfed.
Caleb Diaz
Dropped him for a bit because I hated how the attack button is also tied to special inputs, which kept fucking my inputs over ontop of Ken overall feeling like I have to work harder for my kills than 90% of the cast because of how unreliable his kill methods were (true shoryuken would occassionally not even kill because the startup frames fucking over the frames that would kill). Reading the patchnotes invigorated a lot of confidence in me to try maining Ken again.
Nathan Edwards
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Michael Walker
They could have done so many things to even out Duck Hunt and yet..
>up air hits more consistently
like this should have been a no brainer not something that needs to be patched when he needs more important work to progress.
This game pisses me off severely.
Angel Thompson
lmao @ duckunt mains
seethe harder while us Kenheads rise up
Benjamin Martin
Dude is absolutely insane now
Go to the twitch of this dude: RoninX1819 and check today's clips. A lot of kill setups as early as 50% on heavy characters.
Angel Flores
As long as we're not getting nerfed, we're staying buff.
Isaiah Clark
Nice, I'll take anything at this point
Joshua Stewart
That's why she's next to be nerfed.
Jonathan Clark
>Dr. Mario
I'm going to drink myself to death.
>Game & Watch
I don't even care.
Oliver Rogers
They never seem to want to change Marth and I'm ok with that.
Oliver Flores
Ken's already mash buttons into Shoryuken to kill at 50% the character.
Aiden Adams
You're overestimating how much this will actually matter.
The most this change will do is finally settle that Pikachu > Pichu, but that's the extent of it. None of these changes are severe enough for anything past that.
Blake Baker
Wait, what happened to my boy?
Connor Mitchell
What can they even nerf about her without making it not work? The only reason she wasn't top previously was because her moves didn't work, but now most of what she has is a consequence of the game's working.
Parker Murphy
He's doing fucking great.
Jace Hughes
f-tilt kills at 130~%
Ears now have a hitbox and is therefore much easier to hit
Damages itself a lot more
Anthony Thomas
Increased self damage to all of his moves
Parker Roberts
I have never seen a good Ken so doesn't bother me. I even wasted Nairo's Ken online and I doubt there are better Ken's than him.
Isaiah Cooper
Every electric attack now does more damage to pichu, also tilt attack had range reduced, and all around bigger hitbox. Poor thing might not make it
Nathaniel Peterson
Charles Nguyen
No. NO!
Jonathan Price
Back in the melee dumpster
Cameron Powell
Nicholas Long
He's easier to hit too
Gray us pre patch, black post patch
Aiden Miller
Pichu is FAT!
Isaiah Collins
T-they'll reverse it in the next patch right?
Right!?
I didn't even think Pichu was good enough to warrent nerfs, he's hard as fuck to use as it is.
Benjamin Baker
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Juan Reed
He's thick
Blake Taylor
Holy shit, I didn't think it was THAT big of an increase. I don't even play him and I think this was a bit harsh
Ryder Richardson
Jayden Campbell
You're an idiot if you think Pichu didn't deserve to be toned down.
Jace Hughes
I'm just not very good user.
Andrew Taylor
Pichu is now higher risk for the same reward, which is perfectly fine by me because it doesn't really change how he plays outside the needed fTilt nerf.
Cooper Bennett
Palu isn't even top 10, get good and stop running into Explosive Flame
Mason Bailey
t. Palutena
Camden Jenkins
2019... I am forgotten
Easton Baker
Yeah I play Palutena, I always find it silly everyone thinks she needs nerfs. Legit just get in her face and smack her, she's fucking light.
Also learn to read teleport, I can't even tell you how many times I got 2 framed.
Gabriel Cox
She's too safeand has lingering huge flame shit, a counter and reflect combo, easy as hell braindead juggling. She's retarded and so are you.
Jordan Jones
There's no hope, fellow kirbybro.
Adrian Lewis
But she is though
It was Olimar, Peach/Daisy, Pichu, Wolf, Lucina, Palutena, Snake, Inkling, Fox, and Pikachu
Evan Ortiz
Just because you play her doesn't mean she isn't good
Retard
Luis Thompson
I don't think she needs a nerf, but some of her really long lingering hitboxes like nair and uair are frustrating to contest, as well as her 2 invincible attacks.
James Brown
Didn't he get buffed last patch?
Gavin Gonzalez
>now has a significantly bigger hurtbox than Pikachu
The only nerf I don't agree with really.
Nicholas Williams
Idk how is dedede and the dorf doing
Lincoln Myers
>DUDE JUST KILL HER
Spoken like a true retard main
Benjamin Gomez
What did they do to Grenny?
Ryan Parker
>Everyone celebrated when they chased Mizumi off the internet
>Didn't realize until too late he was the one guy datamining Smash
>Now everyone wants him back
Juan Jackson
el rato is dead
Angel Carter
DUDE GUYS I'M PLAYING JIGGS JUST LIKE HBOX
DUDE OMG DID YOU SEE THAT I WAS JUST LIKE HBOX THERE
HOLY SHIT IM HBOX
HOLY SHIT DUDE DID YOU, OH MY, OH MY GOD IM HBOX DUDE HOLY SHIT
GUYS DID YOU KNOW ABOUT HBOX
Hunter Murphy
his size kind of negated his only weakness
Mason Miller
Who the fuck is "everyone"
No fucking clue what literal who you're talking about
Evan Walker
he did; kirby mains are greedy as fuck though.
Kayden Brown
>dedede literally the only character with no changes
epic
Asher Harris
Has anyone tested amiibo cockfighting in Arenas? I have 10+ of these fuckers. I only trained one with my own habits, and I put 8 of them in a 8 player match right now.
Brandon Evans
Why does he look so gay there
Charles Long
Mizumi was the main guy spearheading datamines for Smash. He's the dude who found Brave and the Rareware spirits.
Turned out to be a pedo-fag and got witch-hunted off the face of the internet
Isaac Howard
It's because he's literal perfection already.
Adam Morris
it's fun to post that and while he is my highest gsp character just by virtue of character loyalty he's also, to put it nicely, not as good as he should be
Parker Walker
Those shirts are fucking awesome. A shame they are like 100 bucks each
Jackson Gray
No one wants that clout chasing, fair weather faggot back. Plenty of other good miners in the scene.
Austin Barnes
Falconbros, enjoying the new knee?
Juan Adams
Nah, it will really hurt at tippy top play because lots of setups are now way more consistent and pichu essentially can't low-profile anymore. Formerly gay AF matchups like ZSS are suddenly not so bad. Death of a character? No. Death of having rigged MU spreads against a lot of characters? Yes
Jayden Sanchez
Extremely. Feels real good to use now.
Alexander Moore
Who is asking for him back?
Kevin Stewart
If it ain't airspeed, it isn't fixing Kirby.
Jason Murphy
She's just stupid to approach and so it makes matches drawn out. She's no more gay than ROB is
Jayden Bell
Sonic didn't get any either
Which is good because I enjoy him
Carter Lewis
>Dedede
>Only character
Pretty sure Wario and Marth were also untouched.
Aaron Mitchell
>EASY Confirms with close neutral jab
>Ken's FUCK YOU damage with buffed kicks
>Proper horizontal knockback on H F-tilt
>THAT FUCKING SPEED DIFFERENCE ON RYU'S HADOUKENS
Adam Martin
>Pikachu got buffed
>Pichu got nerfed
fucking nice
Anthony Bailey
I said get in her face. That's her weakness.
Never said she wasn't, just that she doesn't need nerfs.
Jason Wood
people with 20 jumps don't deserve more air speed.
haven't played the patch, what's the difference?
Noah Cox
You could have 50 jumps and still suck with Kirby's airspeed, they're nothing without it. It's easy as fuck to gimp Kirby if you aren't retarded.
Hudson Moore
Knee sweetspot increase and a few other buffs here and there.
Daniel Martin
No changes, but I don't feel any were needed. Better than nerfs!
Luis Phillips
Can any Bayos here say if the landing lag reductions were big or not? I didn't play her before the patch so I don't really have a frame of how much better it got.
Juan Parker
Raptor Boost is better as a combo starter now, too. It even true combos into knee with the right positioning.
Mason Jenkins
I just want rest to be good again
Gabriel Gutierrez
Lucario looks good as of now and big boi Ganon got a little something
on the other hand Pichu can go fuck itself, little shitter got what it deserved
Liam Torres
where are my dark pit mains at?
Joshua Thompson
bowser jr is still shit. Has no kill power at all. Why do I even bother with him?
Tyler Kelly
I can't wait to see if those twitter combos with his shine will work now.
Owen Kelly
I've never see the mario maker stage variant where there's just a fucking lava pit in the middle and two tiny ass platforms on the sides and it might just be the worst stage i've ever played on.
Benjamin Nelson
>give him a buff
>call it a nerf
Sebastian Lee
Was Pkmn Trainer changed?
Luis Rogers
>left alone
nice
Ayden Flores
>PAC-MAN got buffed
It's not much, granted, but I'll fucking take it.
Brody James
im trying to learn ken online, i tried a few months ago but kept getting frustrated with all the input delay along with the buffer the game has already. does anyone here play him and do well with him? its so difficult for me since the inputs i do with other characters dont translate well. like trying to dash up and do a down tilt makes me do his command input move instead. i use default controls, so no tilt stick.
Jace Watson
Wait was there a patch? I can't get to my switch for a few days, patch notes please
Noah Peterson
>Only once a day on the amiibo journeys
Fucking why? For what purpose would something like this need a cooldown period when it provides nothing of value besides being able to watch your amiibo fight
Caleb Baker
google.com
Jason Barnes
My furfaggoty becomes viable once more
Caleb Gonzalez
>not posting the balls
Brayden Morgan
You sort of need tilt stick for the guy and Ryu for that matter. You need to spread your inputs across different buttons otherwise you'll end up getting different stuff and you will not be doing his smashes often as most of his kill power comes from True Shoryuken (the input version).
Gotta wonder how you haven't changed yet to tilt stick, since in this game tilting out of run is a thing is much easier with a stick.
Ian Nguyen
>Peach and Daisy got vulnerability nerfs, but hey at least their golf club is a little better
>Ganon got a Dsmash buff
>Lucario got buffed to high heaven
>Olimar got nerfed
>Pichu got nerfed into the fucking dirt
>Diddy kong got buffed hard
thank god too, hated playing diddy because up b was trash
sad to see pichu get slapped that hard
even sadder to see lucario get buffed, i could hear the yiffing from here in stereo
Robert Long
now if only they'd fix sheik then i wouldn't have a single problem with anyone on this roster
Tyler Allen
i got used to doing light inputs with the control stick back in brawl, and using the cstick for dacus and other tech. i did keep using tap jump for a while too since it was easier to do out of shield stuff, but i turned that off for ultimate since its not required to jump for upsmash or upspecial out of shield. i guess ill give tilt stick a go, it cant be that hard to get used to.
Brody Anderson
It’s still wild fucking Sonic is in smash bros
Gabriel Watson
>slight buff to down smash and no other changes
Dorf reigns supreme still.
Ethan Perry
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
Elijah Williams
My main Bowser made it out unchanged, my secondary bayonetta got some much needed buffs.
Liam Powell
Are there any pictures of that sort of thing happening
Adam Butler
I can tell you didn't main her in 4, you'd be grateful like us if you did.
Jose Bell
>Pichu gets nerfed
>I still can't fight one worth shit
I guess I'm just really bad.
Dylan Rogers
>DACUS
>With Tap Jump button
Is it even possible? Wasn't the exact input for Dacus
>Run -> Dash Attack with the C-Stick -> Up Smash with using Up and the Z button
Like that's how I did it and how I was taught to do it. It was quite a while ago, tho.
Christian Gutierrez
He specifically asked for some of the raptor boost stuff. Can't wait to see what he can do with everything else. He already could tear just about any heavy to shreds.
Ayden Garcia
>DACUS
I miss it but at the same time I don't know if I want to re-experience Snake sliding across half the stage with his mortar, or that fucking dash attack comboing into the mortar.
Carson Jones
>All these buffs for Ryu/Ken
The Dawn of the Age of Ryu mains is upon us lads
Luis Jenkins
still waiting for them to nerf ivysaur's busted ass dair and up air
Lincoln Walker
>no changes
Was hoping to get the drag down nair stuff back from 4. It feels like she's the only character with a multi-hit aerial who can't reliably fast fall it into a follow up.
Easton Sanchez
i forget too honestly, that input seems right. but in any case, i got used to those controls and was just stubborn to change them. im giving tilt stick a go now, its kind of tough since of my muscle memory.. but its helpful since im not doing laggy smash attacks when i hit it.
Josiah Morales
I main the random button. And no it's not some excuse to not take it seriously. I'd legitimately body you plebs while rocking only random.
Ian Carter
I also didn't use tilt stick until this smash came out and got used to it very quickly. Who are you using other than Ken?
One thing you have to remember is that if you press down while running you immediately cancel the dash and do anything from there You can also dos hit like holding down on the movement stick and you press up on the c stick the up tilt will come out.
Ayden Allen
What the fuck
Asher Bell
Like if you're just a casual fuck, fish for Heavy Jab and into Shoryuken. That's gonna give you very early kills
Cameron Powell
yeah, ive been figuring out how it works. i just gotta get used to the timing of letting go of the left stick so i dont dash attack. simon and ridley are my mains, so im trying to learn it with them before i try ken. im noticing that i can slide a lot more with ridley's uptilt.
Isaiah Williams
Speak for yourself. I'm most consistent with the Pits.
Kayden Robinson
>woomy is untouched
Not untouched, actually slightly buffed!
John Wright
>mfw learning Luigi Cyclone has had full on invincibility frames from the patch notes
William Taylor
>not a single change here makes the character significantly worse, it's just incredibly minor adjustments
F-Tilt is fairly major.
Levi Russell
With Simon/Rickter one thing that will really help you to lab is to run away and immediatly use the c-stick to tilt in the direction you ran away from. It's excellent for escaping pressure and much easier to do with the C-Stick as doing it the normal way might lead you to dash attack back.
Andrew Powell
>not a single change here makes the character significantly worse
Are you kidding? do you have any idea the ammount of setups the little rat got away from Scott-free even if he was just standing on the ground. Do you have any idea how early that shitty F-Tilt killed?
Jason Baker
Besides Ken's 50% kill combo, I'm also happy about Ryu's Shakunetsu->Down Tilt->Input Shoryuken as a shield breaker combo so I'll be implementing that into my playstyle
Luis Bailey
Matthew Walker
shine-flash is a thing now so i'm pleased. this is neat, more characters should get changes that allow for new combos. the downsmash change isn't even a nerf, i don't know what they were trying to do with that change.
also, lucario
Ryan Cooper
You could only incur it reliably by doing a set-up near edges, making it very predictable and avoidable. The only use it had was surprising players who were not familiar with it beforehand and stuffing out recoveries.
Ryder King
>shine-flash is a thing now
Clips?
Gavin Cox
Why did they increase all of his self-damage when just increasing his hurtbox would easily be enough?
John Diaz
>Palutena
Untouched. She's already perfect.
>Ridley
Untouched. He's already perfect.
>Mr. Game and Watch
Minor quality of life change, a very minor buff, cool.
>Inkling
Minor quality of life change, a very minor buff, cool.
Jace Anderson
Fucking hell they really are turning Wolf into Melee Fox with that Shine buff.
Kevin White
>shine-flash is a thing now
show us
Caleb Gray
Happy for you guys. Dunno if Ridley will ever get that treatment but you two needed some love from my understanding. Hope the patches keep tweaking the high tiers stupid shit while bringing the lower tiers up to or near their level.
Xavier Taylor
Now that pichufags are dead who's next on the chopping block?
Landon Bailey
*Pichufags and Olimarfags
Anthony Diaz
>16 Changes
This truly was the Ken patch.
Austin Flores
>Forard Aerial and Back Throw took a noticable hit.
>Down B speed nerf is minimal
>Side B is still reliably safe on hit in most cases
>Up B got a stability update again
>Golf Club is actually not trash anymore
>combos are untouched
>down throw combos are untouched
>floating still ignores the short hop multiplier
Peach and Daisy are still top 5. All the patch did was tone down their more questionable aspects.
Grayson Green
I'd say Snake is next but we'll see how this patch goes.
Jose Cook
where he belongs.
Lincoln Price
>Olimar and pichu mains are complaining about their nerfs
>Peach and wolf mains are like whatever
Lincoln Taylor
Snake, Palutena, maybe Jew.
Camden White
>Raptor boost straight up has more hitstun, feels almost like Melee raptor boost so you use it at low % to get some combos going
>You can do raptor boost into fucking knee
>Falcon kick hitbox lasts longer
>Knee feels great now
>Ftilt got a bit buffed, welcomed
>Up tilt speed buff, it's fine
>Back air hits harder now, finally
All they need to do is fix his sprint startup and turn animation, and he's fucking perfect. Not even that hard to do. WAS IT THAT HARD TO DO, SMASH TEAM? DID IT FUCKING HURT TO MAKE SIMPLE CHANGES?!
I'm grateful though. It means they kept an eye out for REAL shit that needed fixing like his raptor boost. The other buffs are just icing on the kek.
Asher Gray
They took Morgana out of Joker's taunts.
Robert Johnson
>>You can do raptor boost into fucking knee
That shit even works on small characters. It's unreal. I can't believe they made the knee feel this good.
Jordan Ramirez
Pissed because they did absolutely nothing for Icies but make them harder to use.
Zachary Evans
That's only on 5+ player matches, nothing new
Isaac Thomas
Nothing was changed about Mewtwo. Did you even read the patch notes? He got some buffs and a slight nerf in 3.0 but nothing in 3.1.
Austin Davis
Oh well I'm a retard then. Thanks.
Matthew Murphy
>Peach nerfed
Fuck you
She actually requires skill to play and get gud with. This is unfair.
Anthony Bell
>but hey at least their golf club is a little better
>a little
killing nearly 15% earlier than it did previously isn't exactly a little better. Maybe if it were just 5% or something minor like that. It's actually useful at the ledge now for killing.
Caleb Bell
>Ken and Ryu main
So fucking happy with the buffs
>Pichu secondary
I’m not mad about the nerfs at all cause now all the tierwhores, tryhards and shitters will drop him.
I got everything I wanted in this patch.
Robert Sanchez
>got more range on his second jab and flurry
>neutral special 2 now sucks less ass
>thanks to undocumented changed he can now shorthop autocancel fair
Logan Sanchez
a top tier is still a top tier no matter what skill requirement
Noah Roberts
Blond hair on Red Robin is a huge nerf.
Arc Thunder's utility got moved to Arcfire
Black hair MRobin is best.
Matthew Thompson
SHOTO BROS RISE UP
I fucking hope not, I don’t want any shitters and tryhards anywhere near my mains
Matthew Brown
She's fine. A good peach and daisy player will still wreck players. Pichu and Olimar got hit harder.
Jaxson Harris
When so much shit in the game wiffs Pichu for just standing there, you know his hurtboxes were bullshit.
Brody Young
In this world you've got to be strong
Lucas Edwards
I'll take shit that nobody said for 500
Fuck mizumi, we got plenty of datminers
Elijah Smith
>they made a sleeper pick better
More for me I guess.
Luke Myers
>didn't fix his grab
Michael Rivera
how much of a hurtbox size change did olimar and pichu get? any comparisons of the patches yet?
Blake Johnson
here
Olimars basically the same way
Christian Thomas
I agree. There never was anything on Yoshi that ever felt like it needed changing. I guess if there was any buff I WANTED to see is a faster startup and more shield damage to his down+B to make it more like it was in Smash 4. It also feels like the kill power isn't what it was in 4 but I'd rather have the shield damage back. One of my favorite setups just doesn't work anymore in Ultimate and I miss it.
Brandon Rodriguez
It's more like they brought back Brawl Wolf reflector but with added bonus
Dominic Johnson
Nah m8 fuck off. Been playing them since Brawl.
Jordan Gray
Since Ruy/Ken are here, can somebody explain to me that every time I try the strong Jab at close range, they automatically do strong Up-tilt instead, is that normal ?
John Edwards
My boy Cloud is slowly rising back to the top.
Hudson Nelson
dumb shotafag
Jaxson Brown
The Belmonts got nothing.
Adrian Rivera
>this is for my people who just lost somebody
>your best friend
>your baby
>your man
>or your lady
Joseph Russell
where are the balls
Noah Clark
No changes to Mega Man, which is fine because I think he's pretty much perfect right now. Seeing some of the top tiers finally nerfed makes me feel better about him losing his pellet cancel a few months ago, too.
Nathan Ward
Be honest with me, what does it matter to you if Jigglypuff got buffed or not? Jigglypuff has been given buffs at least three times now, and whether they've been big or small you niggers still do the same two things on repeat.
Kayden Young
Nice projecting my man.
Gavin Lee
Overall great patch by Nintendo, Im shocked at how it seems they actually understand what needs to be changed in the game (for the most part its still Nintendo) All we need now is the fire emblem shitters and PK Boys to get nerfed and I wont ask for anything else. Snake is also annoying but he's snake so I can give him a pass.
Jayden Cox
D-Hunt requires 300 IQ to main. See the jap players with their insane can set ups.
Jack Peterson
Wolf is actually balanced now, holy shit. They didn't butcher him, they both nerfed his bullshit and strengthened his weaknesses at the same time. Is he honest now, Yea Forumsros?
Parker Rivera
Slowly but surely.
Lucas Morgan
>Pikachu
I'm not noticing the grab buff difference. Olimar getting nerfed is a pretty damn good indirect buff for Pika though, it was seriously a shitty matchup.
With Pichu and other top tiers nerfed, I hope Pikachu doesn't end up being top 5 or something, I know people still placed him fairly high. I really don't want any of the flak Pichu used to have transferred to my main now.
Jeremiah Smith
my nigga Ken got buffed so im happy.
Carter Taylor
The only good Duck Hunt player in the world knows that matchup inexperience plays a part in his success.
Mason Edwards
How do you combo Raptor Boost into Knee? Like at what percentage?
Lucas Wright
cute
Evan Moore
Honestly Pikachu is pretty honest I feel. He's really good but he never felt scummy like Pichu.
Christian Brown
they finally nerfed this piece of shit?
I might come back to the game then
Daniel Lewis
Pichu is literally a worse pikachu. His hitbox is fucking larger than pikachu. Void is in for a real treat
Aiden Evans
If Pichu actually pushed you off the game then stay out you faggot. Losers like you will never be good at this game.
Jackson Russell
Nah. Pichu is now a sidegrade to Pikachu, just as he always should have been.
Gabriel Harris
/PIKACHADS/ WHERE WE AT? DAB ON ALL THE PICHUKEKS
Jace Nguyen
But Shulk never needed nerfs. If anything, he needs less start-up frames on most of his moves.
Hudson Clark
>spams cyclone
fuck off Luigi.
James Peterson
Snake main here, how the hell did we sneak past the nerfs? Is our time coming soon? honestly nikita might need a nerf, but hopefully f-tilt won't whiff so often so it'll even out
Mason Mitchell
Snake please. Fuck that uptilt, I can do everything to work around his explosives, but his fucking uptilt is cancer.
Noah Phillips
Oh god, what did they do to pichu?
Jonathan Ortiz
She's the new Greninja.
Carson Jackson
hurtbox is bigger making it easier to hit, ftilt has less knockback, fsmash has longer recovery, all electric attacks deal significantly more self damage
Parker Gutierrez
I haven't really been paying attention to the past patches, what exactly did they do to the fishing rod this time?
Josiah Scott
>all those pichu nerfs
Why? WHY? Are you purposefully trying to revert him back to joke character status like in melee? Why are you punishing my 17 year long wait for his return by making him one of the best characters in the game and slowly taking it away from him?
Chase Davis
buff the whip waggle, it's fucking useless. other than that belmonts are perfect and should never be changed
Carson Gray
He still has all his combos. He just lost a bit of kill power and had his risk vs reward ratio skewed more towards being risky like he's supposed to be.
Leo Anderson
nerfed it in one patch and then removed the nerf in the next patch
Colton Adams
stay mad, baby
Hunter Gonzalez
Don't be stupid, he's the only character to have made the jump from a literal joke, intentionally garbage character to a top tier.
Hudson Smith
Or his buggy down air.
Somtimes you just float in place or even move up.
Gavin Gonzalez
Not me. I don't need them to buff him more. I'm one of the few Kirby mains that's happy with how he is now. Kirby never had much air speed in his own games anyways.
Nicholas Nelson
Im confused, did they nerf or buff isabelle’s fishing rod
Austin Young
He's fine. Bullet seed actually hits now and Charizard's jab(?) is better. But if I'm going to be honest here, Ivysaur is holding PT back so fucking much. He's so good that you rarely even need to use Charizard, and you can even leave Squirtle out entirely if the match up is in your favor.
You don't need to change Squirtle, it's Ivysaur and Zard that are the problem. Charizard's hitboxes on his nair, fair and down tilt are so bad that they miss your opponent way more often than they should. He's more slow than he has to be, making his only reliable kill option up throw most of the time.
Basically, Ivysaur needs to be rounded out so PT can really shine, and maybe turning off the auto switch would be a bonus as well.
Carson Fisher
>left Ridley alone
>buffed Joker a bit
>buffed Dark Samus a bit
>buffed Shulk a bit
>left Corrin alone
Everything went over pretty gosh-darned okay for me. Sucks for the Pichu players, but every Pichu player I’ve ever met was a smelly flowchart player with a bad personality, so it’s not actually a huge loss.
Nathan Collins
Git gud
t. Puff secondary
Carter Turner
He was always honest.
Brandon Hernandez
Nope