Neo Yea Forums will defend this

Tons of other problems in the world, but parents letting their kids buy loot boxes is a PRIORITY!

Why can't we just let the stupid figure it out for themselves that they need to leave their parental locks on their purchases. But no they couldn't be bothered! Better make the government make companies change rather than be a more modern parent.

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>ruin education system
>a bunch of literal retards grow up and have children
>they get even dumber then the generation before
>surprised that the goberment has to step in to protect them from hurting themselves
The sad part is that I agree with the goberment on this one, despite hating regulations to the bone. It's a problem they caused by cutting funding into education each new year, not only in belgium but most european countries. It's only matter of time until the others follow suit. And correcting this shit at the source takes way too much time by now to render the law obsolete in due time.

>nobody actually reading the full bill
>half of it has to do with US trade reform
>"wow v the governemt is looking out for us this time!"

Surprised the Republicans didn't shoot this bill down. They usually love to defend the "right" of corporations to screw over people with their greediness.

>wanting AAA game devs scalping your games and pinching every possible cent out of you

whatever happened to just making a good game?

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i like the bill because maybe now gaming wont be designed around 1% of whales that buy everything and 99% of the players are locked out of the content

Fuck off Trump lover. The government has no business doing anything regarding videogames.

The government knows best. Just look how they tried to ban violent videogames

Good.
Fuck gacha

Im generally against nanny state measures to protect people but gamers have already shown to be utterly retarded and unable to resist gambling, gachashit and microtransactions.
The "free market" has only allowed cancer to grow further and stronger over the years. So fuck the greedy corporate kikes, give them regulations up the ass.

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enjoy your content locked behind microtransactions goyim

>they'll go after your violent video games next!
and then that won't get bipartisan support and receive actual pushback from people who aren't paid shills

>It's our right as corporate entities to turn children into ludomanaics!

Loot boxes are random you don't even know what you're buying I've seen streamers open 30 of them in a row getting a bunch of trash palette swapped guns

What's more likely

Getting 1 government to change its laws
Getting millions of shitty parents to change their habits

Gaming was much better before loot boxes and endless microtransactions. Let it all burn.

Or they could ban companies from charging for digital distribution which would include lootboxes and it would save gaming.

Modern Yea Forums is made up prominently of retarded teenagers, who are naive and stupid enough to believe the government intervening in their hobbies could possibly be a good thing.

Valve and digital distribution happened
Even EA games like SSX had stuff like new boards or clothes be unlockable through game play while stuff like that is now charged for and charging for it is seen as normal
>its only cosmetic!

It's Lootboxes removed for "children"
So expect E - T rated games that have lootboxes in them to no longer have lootboxes in them.
But M - A games will still have Lootboxes

corporations can do whatever they want. they are our gods, deal with it commie

Damn Bill, that's not nice of you. Oy vey. Muh profits.

we are contrarians because the world needs balance.

Fuck off you retarded shill.

BASED

Yeah, because them stopping an anti-consumer practice is definitely not something the government has been doing since forever.

We both know that this will not pass.

They control the legislative process.

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Charging for a download is inherently anti-consumer and piracy is illegal

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I feel like only retarded teenagers think that letting lootbox gaming continue like this is okay. Seems everyone is just complacent now. Horse armor was shocking and unacceptable 10 years ago. Now it's actually "an amazing deal".

What invisible object is he holding?

you pro loot box scum

More like.

Make passwords mandatory.

Change millions of users games that they already bought for country of brainlets being outsmarted by toddlers.

Shut the fuck up commie.

If people are willing to pay for it, then it should be legal.

good indie games made after 2010

if you zoom in, you can see one slightly discolored pixel - this represents StarSector

>Being against the PCfAG Act
Shills everywhere

Good for Yea Forums.

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I don't think loot boxes should be banned, but transparency is an absolute must and should definitely be enforced.
Age gating could also be enforced. Logging in with credentials is a hassle, but it keeps controversies out then sure whatever.

But banning it outright? Ridiculous.

fuck you statists more government involvment is never good

Regulation bad, corporatism good

Politics and Games don't mix.

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>Your extreme bad, my extreme good.

Day of the box cutter soon.

I'm impressed they've gone straight to banning. Big Gambling Money must be pissed off about loot boxes for whatever reason.

"politics i don't support and games don't mix"

Fixed what you meant to say

Would Valve's crate system be counted as loot boxes under this? I want to see companies like EA and Activison suffer consequences for their loot boxes but i don't want to see Valve get hurt by it,especially not right now when they're dealing with the Epic Store BS.

Valve doesn't deserve all this shit.

corporations are not your friend, fuck off to somalia

valve has done literally NOTHING about egs. NOTHING.

egs continues to shit the bed and shoot themselves in the foot.

I just want to see the mainstream market burning.

i'm willing to pay for you to die, does that count?

It's like capitalism is trying to commit suicide.

Companies have this great way to make a little extra money, which goes further into game development, and the world goes nuts and says its wrong for some reason. Isn't this how the world works? You make money? Yeah, last I checked that's how it works.

>americans
>free

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And why should they?

Are they:
>things you can buy which give you a random chance of getting something
>things that impact gameplay and can be purchased with real money
if so, then yes

imagine being this much of a corporate fanboy
how fucking embarrassing

I find it amusing that people unironically think this is for the children. I can almost guarantee that less than 1% of all gacha sales are to actual minors. This is, and always has been, about adults not accepting they were the ones that fault for spending hundeds to thousands of dollars on the lootboxes and wanting to find someone else to blame. I despite lootboxes but I despite people that refuses to accept any sort of personal responsibility even more.

If unchecked, both paths lead to collapse. One (the one you want) just takes you there faster.

Good

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Reminder that devs chose to do this the hard way. They could have done it the easy way and kept the government out of this had they regulated themselves

>AAA games die
>gachashit dies
this is a good thing, the industry had their chance to self-regulate and they blew it, now they have to eat shit

Idiot kids do need someone to watch out for them because their parents sure as hell aren't going to catch on that loot boxes = gambling.

>as a rule of thumb, if richard blumenthal supports it, it is worth supporting
Fixed
Enjoy your gatcha shit being killed fag.

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You know there's a political system that nationalizes industry and protects citizens from corporate/financial/banker ruling class abuses, right? It's not called communism.

Name 1 bad thing that would come out of this being passed
Just a reminder that EA and Epic dying is not a bad thing

>if they dont do this clearly theyll solve other problems
not how it works

What the hell edgy teen shit is this. I suppose you have a better system? Good will? Exposure? Go fuck yourself. Money is the blood of this planet. If you cut off the stream, things die.

>defending the mobile phone paywall model
They that sow the wind...

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Companies had a chance to regulate themselves like they did with the ESRB. They didn't this time and now its gonna be a shitfest for them.

>to children

>"Are you 18 years or older?"
>underage: yes
have these retards never been on Yea Forums? easiest exploit in the world

Zoomers will oppose this bill even though they cant or wont vote

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based

>people expected the industry to regulate itself when it's run by companies doing this exact thing

for god's sake, ESRB basically does whatever big publishers tell it to.

Based Belgium already done this.

See There is currently no way to prove you're 18 online. This being passed will mean that you need an ID to play the game and if you need an indicator of how shit that is just look at china

>retards think this bans gacha outright
its only shit aimed toward children you absolute retards
they'll just slap "you can only roll if you're 18+" on their gachas and call it a day

Magic the Gathering gets away with it by having a secondary market, I'm not sure if it works the same way with the Valve player market but it could be a possible workaround. Also fuck Valve they are the ones who started the trend of this cancerous lootbox shit.

Nobody's defending it, it's still a shit thing to happen

That being said, fuck the publishers because they made it happen by being a bunch of greedy fucks even after multiple warnings, I have no sympathy

Idk theyll probably fuck it up
But people forget that like 5% of congress isnt bought off yet
So we can hope it will work
It wont remove indies early access steam
Sjws
Nolives
Etc
So gaming is still dead
Its a start tho

>bans microtransactions and lootboxes for games targeted toward minors
>only M and AO games are allowed to be ridiculously profitable
>new games will be forced to have sexy skins and sexy waifus, since the games are already M and AO-rated
Who the fuck is ready for the new age of sexy vidya bitches? I am

lol this. How the fuck are Mortal Kombat 11 and Samurai Showdown 2019 the same rating? lol it's a joke.

Oligarchy and business cartels run by evil rich jewish and catholic people is "capitalism" or the " free market "
They really love the programminv

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>M
17 is still considered a minor in the US

Just because a few people trick the system does not make companies liable if they put in a reasonable effort to prevent it in the first place

Why do you guys say mean things about The Free Market™? :(

Take it back right now!

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>Hey mom, what's the password?
Your plan already failed, you stupid fuck.

People can't be trusted and men most be governed to save them from themselves.

Actually Trump fags support lootboxes just like they support destroying net neutrality.
They love taking that big black, corporate cock.

>Republican wants to ban something
WTF I LOVE LOOTBOXES NOW

you would have to be neo Yea Forums to be against this. DLC has been nothing but a cancer to videogames and this is a good way to start fixing them

Die gacha insect subhuman

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>AO games will be ridiculously profitable when Steam, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft don't allow them

Yep. And because those governments are a collection of men, who naturally cannot be trusted, it is doomed to fail every time. Hence entire history of man.

The politician pushing this is also introducing legislation to allow opting out of website data collection without denying people use of the site. Basically making it illegal for a website to tell you "agree to our data collection policy or you can't use the site".

How exactly do you expect companies to verify ages by not requiring something like your ID card or SSN? People already put Jan 1 1977 when they're asked to input their birthday, what are you going to put cameras and use facial verification?

The app stores don't allow 18+ apps

Nobody in their right mind would publically shit on this bill because it's hitting where it hurts the most - "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!"

It's the exact same thing that got Disney to shove its dick down EA's throat and force them to back off the MTX in Battlefront 2, nobody gives a fuck what some cheapass vidya peddlers have to say when their reputations and reelections as God-fearing Americans are on the line

They'll change their tune once they can't nickel and dime with E and T games anymore

Yeah in theory this sounds great but the quality of business services is going to plummet thanks to these crybabies.

What exactly is wrong with companies collecting data to sell you better stuff? What is wrong with taking money from kids who aren't gonna learn any other way?

>neo Yea Forums
Any self respecting gamer that didn't grow up with them has never defended lootboxes, here or elsewhere. Fuck that shit, back in the day you either unlocked shit or got it for free.

>net neutrality

You people still believe in that garbage. What a world.

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The government is also part of the free market, now stop whining.

im fucking sick of lootboxes and im fucking sick that thanks to people without selfcontrol now all we have to suffer the fucking boxes shoved in every fucking game. at this point i dont give a fuck if the goverment has to interfere. just take that bullshit out of my games

>Net neutrality is bad!
/pol/ppet detected

>t.low iq teenager

>muh guvamint needs to defend me from myself
Not that loot boxes are good though.

Governments are just big corporations, if you are against government self determination then you should be against corporate self determination as well.

legalize prostitution. legalize all drugs. legalize lootboxes. have sex.

This.
>real gambling already restricted to 18 or 21 yr olds
>game companies think they can sprinkle virtual crack into their products targeted toward children
>b-but people are spending money of their own free will!!
>muh free market
Absolute degenerates

where are these kids getting the money?

corporations can't throw me in jail for not buying their products.

Rent free.

Nope, I hate loot boxes, but if you let the government ban them, you risk opening Pandora's Box.

First its loot boxes, then dlc, then they ate moderating content and speech in game.

More powerful government will always come back to bite you.

>7 year olds should be able to gamble at a casino if their parents buy the chips
>letting your child get shitfaced drunk should be legal if the parents provide the alcohol
Kill yourself

You can always tell who the tourists are.

>Mum slippery slope faggot
You're the reason the NRA is allowed to oversee the murder of school children at will.

content and speech is already getting censored these days

>the government needs to be everyone's parents
you first statist

+Ban lootboxes
+One less cancerous business practice
+Someone is finally doing something about it

-Government is getting involved
-Government might crack down on other things like violence/sex and introduce censorship
-Games will now be in the spotlight more and associated with more negative things more than before

They already heavily regulate gambling. This falls under the same umbrella.

>kids should be allowed to drink and smoke if their parents are willing to buy cigarettes and alchoal for them
The absolute state of /pol/tards and to think you fags have the nerve to call anyone else immoral.

sorry you didnt have a loving parent and need the government to baby you i guess

retarded teenagers, like you and them, think this will make any significant difference in their lives. No, video games will not magically get better, and no video games will not magically get worse. The content you're purchasing will remain relatively the same.

the nra is a cuck organization that has supported more bans than it's gotten lifted. thanks for proving that you get your political knowledge from lefty facebook groups.

trannies btfo

>I want to harm as many people as I want without consequences
Degenerate anarchist

>They shouldnt regulate a thing they ALREADY regulate.

Lootbox apologists not welcome.

Why are you lying?
Stay mad child murderer.

>>I want to harm as many people as I want without consequences
this is literally what the state does though

they don't regulate videogames. if you want them to start you are just plain wrong.

Today, I will remind them

Shills be gone

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Oh yeah we should just let parents have complete control over their kids lives. I'm sure that won't allow lots of child abuse. I'm completely serious when I say you should kill yourself. The world is actual a worse place as long as you're breathing.

Net neutrality is not bad per se.
But I should be allowed to make a contract woth my ISP to guarantee higher throughput for muh Netflix or lower latency for muh games.

Under net neutrality, that is illegal.

The ISP must give all content the same priority.

why are you projecting your suicidal ideation onto random people on the internet? that doesnt seem very healthy

I already hate the current industry for vidya so why shouldn't I defend it?

All these mega-corporations are rui-no no no... HAVE RUINED my hobby.

I'm gunna ruin it for them too.
This dumpster fire is getting gasoline, you NIGGER CUNT FAGGOT

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I support this because I hate what lootboxes have done to gaming.
I don't care why it's being done or who is supporting it.
I just want this absolute fucking cancer to be removed from gaming.
Also, if this means we see a few less kids online, so fucking be it.

There is no reason not to support it since the alternative is trust ISP aka corporations not to buttfuck you.
Only the most stupid would do that.

Sure, why not?

Agreed. Im not even gonna use the slippery slope argument to not let this happen . Government banishment will certainly always backfire someway or another. Besides, public opinion alone was enough for even EA backpedal from a lot of lootbox business decicions, and made other companies aware the backlash that this business causes, so why do we need government ban again? Just dont fuckin buy it for christ sake, like most people here already do with EA games and other shit companies alikes, and voice your opinions when things get out of hand. It worked with lootboxes, it worked when the Xbox One released with that crap always online and kinect bound shit that even Sony saw the backlash beforehanded and backpedaled from doing so on PS4 as well and a bunch of another examples.

good, the industry can now move away from skinnerianism and start making actual quality games again.

>Why can't we just let the stupid figure it out for themselves that they need to leave their parental locks on their purchases.
The problem is that they aren't figuring it out. People kept saying just don't by micro transactions, just don't buy loot boxes, just don't buy skins, but here we are, the sensible customers, still suffering because parents can't reign in their kids, and retards can't stop dumping hundreds of dollars for a jpg.

I genuinely cannot comprehend or think of ANY reason to not support the regulation of lootboxes.

Video Games are steaming dog shit now anyway. Why not make it just as shitty for corporate filth?

We both know Im refering to the gambling nature of lootboxes.
Fuck off with with your attempt to reframe the argument.

This might actually have a significantly larger impact than we might think.

Without the obscene boost that MTX gives to video games, shares will start to fall since they obviously weren't inflating based on game quality. Shareholders will start getting pissed, and publishers will start to scramble for loopholes and the Next Big Thing. Games will have to be made to be directly appealing in the long-term again instead of just addictive, as you have to get more than just five whales to support your infrastructure.

Yet it was a republican that finally started doing something, since you faggots are too busy crying at non whites.

NOOOO
FIFTY THOUSAND SILVER
A FREE EPIC CHAMPION
I GAVE YOU EVERYTHING

just pirate everything and don't play any multiplayer games that try to coerce you into spending money

Personally I just want it to be legal for me to report 12-year-olds playing video games to the cops so I can get their parents arrested for allowing children to gamble

user, I never had an abortion.

How's that freshman philosophy course treating you, retard? Stop trying to apply muh slippery slope to every fucking thing, it shows your ignorance.

loot boxes aren't any more gambling than pokemon cards are

I will absolutely defend this. Why wouldn't you?

Why would I give a fuck about the gubment burning down this shitty hobby?
Give me one fucking reason.
Bear in mind I'm not a retarded consolenigger who gives a fuck about shitty AAA trash.

>children don't have any impulse control
>financially support cancerous dev practices
>these practices proliferate into games you like

Good. Fuck those little bastards who spend hundreds of dollars from their idiot parents on stupid shit in F2P games.

>Lol vote with your wallet bro
Except that doesn't work, as we've been shown time and time again.
It doesn't fucking matter whether or not you personally buy it at all anymore, just that a whale does. They are worth a hundred regular anons a pop, maybe even more, and saying "just don't buy it" is the solution of least effort and resistance.

conservatives adore their corporate masters more than anything else

>retard kids steal mommy’s credit card and buy lootboxes
>thanks to this we have to verify our id if we want to have the option of purchasing

>a digital asset is the same as a physical asset
reminder that these are the retards you're arguing against

Lootboxes and gatcha shit are common now, it's clear the public has accepted it. So your idea that public opinion will turn against it failed.

Government oversight is the only way to stop this cancer now.

>give child credit card
>surprised when they buy useless shit
>want to ban that shit instead of parenting their kid
clown world

Can liberals and epig redpillers finally come together; for gaming?

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>neo Yea Forums will defend getting rid of loot boxes
>oldfags support loot boxes
What fucking planet do you live on. Loot boxes are cancer nobody should support that shit and most certainly oldfags of Yea Forums do not support them. Old Yea Forums absolutely despised the fact that paid DLC became a thing why would they ever be okay with loot boxes?

Anything a non starter when Democrats propose it due to the obstructionist nature of Republicans.

>post yfw you primarily play single player games anyways, so this won't effect you

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>They ID you at casinos
>They ID you to vote
>They ID you to purchase drinks or lottery cards
Yeah dude, just show your fucking ID dumbass haha wow so hard bro gosh my fredomes are being destroyed bro haha like what?

kikes finna get dabbed on
shills on suicide watch

Govt is just trying to get their foot in the door on vidya regulation so they can build yet another filthy eternal bureaucracy to soak up lobbyist money and periodically justify their existence by pushing some legislation nobody asked for, created by people who have never played a video game in their life
It will NOT stop here, this is like inviting a vampire into your house

>Fetuses are people
They're technically viruses, thus purging them from the body is acceptable. Why do you think miscarriages happen?

What a retarded opinion. So regulating actual E-Casinos destroyed this country or are you just be hyperbolic to be a giant faggot?

Please explain what is lost if lootboxes are banned?

Hardmode: No slippery slope assumptions on the future.
Dante Must Die Mode: Do not ignore the existence of whales, and even defend and justify their influence on the market.

Why aren't you killing yourself and sparing the human race from reading more of your nonsense.

whales don't want to play games alone. you have to have enough of a backbone to stop playing shitty games that give benefits to whales. and i didn't mean to imply that should be the only thing you ever do, but it does work along with getting other people to play better games instead.

Well, just dont play/purchase/promote anything from games with lootboxes and gatcha shit then? That way im certain there will always be an product to cater your needs.

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The older you are, the more likely you are to hate lootboxes and everything they stand for. I had to drop Dead or Alive, which I loved as a kid, because they took the hundred unlockable costumes and shuffled them to 200 bucks of DLC. Tales games are worse for micro shit too.

Fetuses are parasites.
As are women and niggers.

My opinion on this is nuanced. Lootboxes are a bad thing because they make gambling addicts out of children and make my games less fun for me when they are present. The capital G government getting involved in regulating the videogame industry is also bad for me because they will not stop with just regulating one or two things. That said, I can only see this stuff as being inevitable simply because there is no real will to fight for a proper middle ground solution.

ps3 games

inb4 angry NPCs try and deflect this post lol

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Kill yourself low info retard, federal government needs to mind its own fucking business unless it is a literal existential threat and not the "we're going to die from climate change in 12 years please believe me or you're racist" kind
Go back to sucking MSM ass dipshit

are you being forced to play shitty games? just because shitty games are being made doesn't mean you have to play them. you might as well argue that bad music should be banned because too many people listen to it.

Lol how butthurt are you. So regulating casinos, and regulating casinos on the internet is now super bad now? Are you fucking retarded? Don't answer that, the answer is obviously yes.

>muh loot boxes
This is such a non-issue. I have literally never even SEEN a loot box. What the fuck are you guys playing?

You guys are legitimately mad that your yearly CODs and Assassins Creeds have loot boxes and microtransactions lmao. Stop playing trash and then complaining that it's trash

add store exclusives dlc

There is nothing wrong with this question

Conservatives are the plague and must be exterminated in end to save America. Again.

>muh gubmint intervention
We had it your way for years and it led to
>day 1 DLC
>on-disc DLC
>season passes
>microtransactions
>preorder bonuses
>censorship
>lootboxes
>always online
>games as a service
>but muh market will regulate itself

the younger you are the more you think the government should take care of people instead of fucking off

Try being less myopic-- oh wait that would require an IQ far beyond what you're capable of
There's a world of complexity out there you one issue retard, when you summon Satan he doesn't just leave when the job is done

>Well, just dont play/purchase/promote anything from games with lootboxes and gatcha shit then?
And what happens when they introduce that shit into a series you like and enough people buy it? Do you just drop your favorite series?

It's wiser to stop the cancer before it infects games you enjoy.

Agreed, as are white women and niggers.
America should be a land of liberal white men and sexy Asian women.

Good. People have been rather vocal on how they don't like the way loot boxes are implemented, and instead companies just make it worse. If they can't self regulate and get their shit together, then I'm all for this.

>Expecting Corporations to do anything but maximize profits at the expense of everything else.
>After the music industry sued Limewire for more money than existed in the entire world

GAYMERS RISE THE FUCK UP

N-no! Shut up!
I'm pulling myself up by muh bootstraps!!

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You deserve nothing but a snide comment for being a blubberbrained retard user.
>I-I'm being complex
So all regulation = bad is compelx you niggerbrained idiot? Are you fucking retarded?

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>>day 1 DLC
>>on-disc DLC
>>season passes
>>microtransactions
>>preorder bonuses
>>censorship
>>lootboxes
>>always online
>>games as a service
>>but muh market will regulate itself
I have literally never played a game like this lmao
What the fuck are you guys playing? I didn't realize I was posting with normalfag COD players

Every thread on Yea Forums needs a poll to call out the shill minority

if you think online gambling is regulated to protect people you are a literal child. it's 100% regulated because they couldn't figure out how to tax it. the government is never on your side no matter what they claim.

I'll gladly take all your pink nippled white women

I would rather see piracy legalized which would remove more unnecessary control that the government has, this way people have free access to games without lootboxes and might learn they aren't necessary and actually just make things worse. But I'd rather see this shady form of gambling regulated than allowed to continue unchecked.

Our "school system" deliberately fails to teach any history except the fictional hollywood-approved versions of slavery and the holocaust
Multiple generations ruined, it's amazing

Or, you know, if the regulations on laying new lines weren't so strict...

I loathe lootboxes but I do not accept banning anything either

Nah, they should be exterminated.
They're a cancer on society just like cuckservatives.

If you guys dont see the encroachment of political agenda on this thread, even on this board, there is no hope. Say no to /pol/ and Shariablue both.

Too early for these blackpills...

every MMO and triple A game is like this now

>Equating two separate issues
Idiot

I have never played a game with lootboxes. I didn't realize they were such a big issue. But I generally stay away from western AAA cancer.

>"Why is it bad for the government to ban lootboxes?"
>"Because they will take it further and ruin video games!"
>"Ok, how?"
>"Uhhh that doesn't matter its just bad!"
>"Why is it bad?"
>"Because they will ruin the future of video games!"
>"Ok, but how? Explain how they will ruin the future of video games?"
>"Dude video game companies won't be able to afford to make as many video games as they do now!"
>"Developers barely making money off $60 games is a myth. So again, what negative impact will this cause?"
>"All those free to start games will be destroyed!"
>"There aren't any free to start games that are good. Losing garbage isn't bad. So again, what bad comes from banning lootboxes?"
>"It will severely harm FIFA, Madden, and tons of great long running franchises!"
>"If they are great franchises, they can survive without lootboxes just fine. Otherwise they are just used to peddle lootboxes in the first place. Again, what bad comes from banning lootboxes?"
>"Stop being a fucking communist!"
>"Name calling doesn't change anything."

There, I summed up the thread entirely. You are welcome.

just what series are these? none of the games I play have lootboxes. if you aren't some 15 year old who only plays ea and activision fotm trash you should never even see a lootbox.

Yeah, I'm not a shill.

Based retard

gamblingsites.org/real-money/how-online-gambling-is-regulated/
Oh okay so I guess I can still have my funds stolen and my creditcard info manipulated? Are you fucking stupid? Mabye laws are usefull user, but only a fucking anarchic nigger would think the oposite. Stop. Being Stupid. Read this site and actually be informed about the world around you, there are more sites than Yea Forums you fucking retard.

how can u be mad about this?

Only people like you and conservatives need to be killed.
Either way, the NRA should be shut down since it launders Russian mob money. And people who use slippery slope are faggets.

I think it's government overreach but at the same time I fucking hate every single one of you zoomer fucking faggots that have put the games industry in a position where they stonewall shit behind a gambling paywall because they know you dumb fucks will pay for it. Fuck all of you, I hope this industry crashes and burns.

hi normalfag

>And what happens when they introduce that shit into a series you like and enough people buy it? Do you just drop your favorite series?

Yes, thats exactly what i would do and move on. Already did with a lot of games, not even limited because of lootboxes, but just decisions i dont think it was the best for the franchise. It happens.

I stopped playing games with lootboxes/cash shops and even sometimes forget they're still a problem unless I see it on Yea Forums. Not every game without them is good of course but it does feel like the best games don't have them.

>dood fuck government oversight!!! how dare some beuracratic public STOOGE walk around making sure manufacturers don't sell dog meat that fell on the floor or cars without seatbelts!

I'll form an exile island of asian men and white women (pink nipples only). We won't interfere with your white man asian woman society.

>It doesn't affect me yet so why should I care?
Typical conservative thinking.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility and proper parenting?

Hey I work for one of these

The parents voted in a representative to get this sort of thing done.

>2015
Underage Redditor

>There, I strawmanned up the thread entirely. You are welcome.
great. thanks.

I'm not even mad I'm just like.... HAHAHAHA what the fuck you guys are crying about lootboxes in your Caw of Doody HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
UGUUUUU I WANNA HABBA PLAY DA CAW OF DOODY!!!!

Imagine unironically playing this baby ish and then complaining that they put baby ish lootboxes in it OH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHHOHOHO

Free to pay for all those basic human rights.

Same. I refuse to buy any new DoA or Assassin's Creed's. Tecmo used to have all that shit in the game for free with more (near) cutting edge visuals and ideas. Now they've scaled it all back and locked the unlockables behind a paywall. lmao fuck that.

I won't even go into modern AC games. AC2 was one of my favorites. Can't stand anything about them or Ubisoft now and their forced Season Passes and no complete editions.

Nah, white women, niggers, cuckservatives, all should be removed.
Society would be 100% improved, you literally can't prove me wrong.

Zoomer faggots are a result of decades of government overreach
Parenting is being shifted away to everything but the parents as it interferes with wageslavery

I'd rather ban lootboxes and deal with a small window of possibly decent vidya just before the government goes full regulation than deal with this shit we have now getting worse and worse. Retarded faggots thinking this shit would ever regulate itself need to be shot.

Nah, he summed it up pretty well.

Upvoting this EPIC post,enjoy your karma fella!

Nah, we'd just bomb you.
The cancer that is the white woman cannot be allowed to take root anywhere on this planet.

10. Ten is the number of men that own almost a full 1% of all available* land in the USA.

*Available meaning land that is not currently owned by the federal government, and it is not in Alaska. This is completely disregarding any other factors, such as whether the land is actually useful, e.g: not a literal desert. Time for some math, sources will be below!
USA has 2,430,000,000 acres of land total, if we subtract the total federal govt land(635-640 million, using the low end), we'd get 1,795,000,000, still a lot, to be sure, but there's more to go! Of Alaskan land(365m acres), 61.7% is owned by the federal government, so no double-dipping. 365m * .383 (the percent of land we want represented as a decimal) is 139,795,000. We subtract that from 1,795,000,000 to get our total available* land of 1,655,205,000 acres.

If you add the land owned by those ten men, you'd get 13987215 acres, if we divide it by the total available land area, you'd get:
13,987,215 / 1,655,205,000 = ~0.00845 (rounded down).

Sources:
lmgtfy.com/?q=usa land area in acres
I used this instead of other sources of land areas simply because it's what pops up(i.e what most people will find and use), and I think using as forgiving of figures as possible in this will only help highlight the rather interesting case here.

ballotpedia.org/Federal_land_policy_in_Alaska

businessinsider.com/who-are-the-top-10-land-owners-in-the-us-2017-8
USA's current population is 327,200,000 people.

>cuckservatives
Are those conservatives or progreservatives?

ONLY. KIKES. BENEFIT. FROM. AN. (((UNREGULATED MARKET))).

It'll only stop gachashit from releasing in the west. Japs and other Asians will still spend millions on gacha like they do now. The big whales are from Asia, so no, gachashit won't die unless Japan bans it as well.

It shouldn't have gotten this bad in the first place. Why are y'all getting so bent out of shape NOW of all times? It's like saying "we have to do something!" Now that an alarm is going off, everyone is all in a tissy. Like fuck off, it's all fucking shady and now the government is coming down it.

Wrong, let's keep those first two groups that you hate and kill your group off, conservatives instead.
America would be saved.

So they market them as whatever age range is acceptable as F2P and paid titles and this just ends up sinking gacha shit over here on mobile, and nothing changes other than games rated Teen and below can utilize loot box mechanics. Hardly seems like the expected outcome people were shouting about.

>tfw government can do whatever it wants to modern gaming because modern gaming is dog shit
catch you boys in quake

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The youth have been programmed to be retard statists.

I am not against this. I say bring back in-game secret shops used with in-game currency you can earn in-game.

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>there are liberals actually posting here

I dont know what I'm happier about, Valve potentially take a big hit, or Gachafaggots being btfo. If you "play" gacha you are literally a rodent to me.

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Probably the sort of "conservative" that attacks naughty wrongthinkers on the right for maybe saying something that could be misconstrued as vaguely racist and then takes a nap as the left takes a ten gallon shit all over the constitution

GOVERNMENT REGULATION IS BAD

BY THE WAY, PLEASE PROTECT MY COPYRIGHT, GOVERNMENT

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So you're just a pussy and part of the problem.

Nah, kill them all, America would be saved in an instance.
Especially without white women, I can't think of a single country that has benefited from the inclusion of white women.

Imagine if your internet company charged you for every retarded post you made on Yea Forums

Why is Yea Forums suddenly full of ancaps?

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Loot boxes actually work fine in some games like CS:Go and Rainbow Six Siege. Without them CS Go would cost way more, have no way of making money off of, and would have no skins. Siege would just force you to use renown or real money for them, like they did before they were introduced. It is true BFII went to far, but people got EA to stop without government. all the dumb post about muuhh gacha shit are literally just stop liking what I don't like. I don't play phone games at all, let alone gacha shit. But I don't see why we need to ban them just cause I don't like them. their central premise is lootboxes. which is the appeal to some people. same as Pokemon cards or hockey cards. whatever, I personally spent a few bucks trying to get the right toy from an actual gacha machine or two in Tokyo. shit was fun.
>pic related, finally got hopeman after like 6 spins.
>I don't want a nuclear power plant next to a school
retard NIMBY loser.

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Have sex (With a women)

What if the kikes are actually the regulators though?

So how will publisher jew normies now? will they strip away more stuff into deluxe editions

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People are far too stupid for that to be a realistic expectation at this point.

you can have your credit card stolen buying steam keys from shady sites. the government is not your friend. grow up.

Time to switch

>It shouldn't have gotten this bad in the first place.
What is "this bad?" I have literally never even seen a lootbox. I don't particularly care one way or the other whether they are banned, but you fags are acting so dramatic when it's just zoomer cringe games like Overwatch and COD. Do you actually play that trash?

I think we should ban you along with loot boxes desu, since you're the one supporting these shitty companies in the first place.

>latest game i played came out in 2015 and it was an indie game
>just cycling through all my old favorites while still occasionally finding an old gem
>loving it
i kind of wish i could afford vr but i'm okay with not having to deal with all the trash

I hope one day they do. This shithole would be cleansed once and for all.

We'd have our Ainu priests use shamanic chanting to deflect your nukes. That's even if you could detect our existence through the supernatural fog shroud

I've had plenty of sex with Asian women.
But I don't bother with white women, most of them are riddled with HPV anyways.

That is illegal you fucking retard, you can report that and be recompensated. Are you a literal nigger dude?

It's 4channel retarded Resetera

>Get spurned by one girl
>'kill'em all'

Its not a ban. Its just another "you have to be adult to do thing" law we already have for irl gambling.
Who the fuck cares?
No step on snek fags need to fuck off with their paranoid bullshit and so do the people acting like this will actually do anything to stop lootboxes.

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Those are racist and artifacts of white supremecy

>says someone who is probably a weeb who only buys shovelware with anime tits

they don't have to when they monopolize the market so you're forced to buy their products

It's just fun to poke at retarded snek fags. They always get riled up.

>proper parenting
There are quite a few families where both parents are wagies and see their boss more often than their own children.

Your genes don't belong in the aryan race anyways. Keep abusing your cum dumpster

>private ownership bad
>federal control good

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Great argument there

Reminder that the game industry could have just regulated themselves like they did in the 90s when they formed the ESRB. They just had to keep making things shittier though and now the government is getting involved. They only needed a tiniest bit of restraint and that was too much to ask.

Battlefront 2 was a year and a half ago. Belgium banning them was a year ago. You had plenty of time and opportunity to prevent the government from getting involved and just didn't care cause it made too much money for you to care up until now.

You didn't even try. You didn't even make token attempts at making your shit less blatantly exploitative. And now you might be ruined. And this is never going away. Even if this bill doesn't pass, this issue is never going away, ever.

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>it's digital, therefore it's gambling
reminder that these are the retards you're arguing against

if people are willing to pay for pedophilia and organ trafficking than they should be legal

>kills dlc
>kills preorders
>kills mmos
>kills mobage
this is the greatest bill of all time

>M-muh white raec!
Have sex.
90% of the white race isn't worth saving anyways.

NOOOOOO, WE MUST SAVE MY ANIME GACHA GAMES

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To be fair the states sold off those lands

Jim Sterling told them that lootboxes are an existential threat and government oversight is the only cure probably
Why play videogames when you can play the metavideogame on the internet

The nazis were known for their laissez faire policies

>Hey the ESRB was a good idea until it stopped working
Yeah, dumbass. That is why we are here.

youtube.com/watch?v=eTdgHsifK38

they're already doing that

Elaborate.

Based Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Maine.

>My ISP will buttfuck me!
>I can't have another ISP because the regulations on laying new lines are controlled by the government through corporate lobbyists in order to create a noncompetitive environment!
>These are seperate issues!
Idiot

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Nah. I'm not retarded like you, so I'm not going to pretend that the only games that exist are lootbox simulators and anime shovelware.

In order to have a personal complaint against lootboxes, you have to play a game with lootboxes.
But the only games with lootboxes are garbage to begin with. So you have garbage taste, and have no room to be making fun of someone else's taste for "muh weeb" shit

I had a cute little Asian woman who wanted me to fuck her a while back, but I fucked it up - and didn't care at the time, either. Thinking back, I bet she was soo tight. Only woman I regret not fucking.

They are absolutely retarded and haven't even read the law, they're just being reactionary faggots. It's specifically targeted at games aimed towards children so there's still gonna be lootboxes for M-rated games, it's the E and T-rated games like Fortnite and Overwatch that are gonna be hit by this.

>This is what third worlders believe
Just look at when Zimbabwe removed white farmers the whole country went to shit

to /pol/ fags or boomer anything regarding the state helping or protecting their citizens is ebil commie jew stuff

>posts a video of a leaf that literally sucks his own dick and fingers his asshole on camera
Nah chief, that ain't it.

it's about changing business practices, not parental ones. parents shouldn't have to worry about their kids adopting bad habits like gambling or drugs. this is just a step on the way to making that easier. there is absolutely no downside to this legislation; the outcry is from woke nerds who think they're thinking critically about the situation when in truth they just want to seem like decent upstanding republicunts posting on a video game imageboard (very normie, government bad)

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How does that refute anything in that post

He was a good AG, not as good Senator.
Q: What's the most dangerous place in the world?
A: Being between Dick Blumenthal and a camera.

how many loot crates have you been forced to buy? yesterday some guy from activision broke into my house and forced me to spend my paycheck on them. how is this even legal?

Huh where did the federal government get the money to pay for it?

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>when your economic system relies on purging the masses in order to maintain stability

When ESRB lost all its power gaming was saved though. remember every other game being censored to avoid AO?

how many airline choices do you have?

Re-read it retard, companies suck at self-regulation. They fail every time.

They got arrogant after getting huge and thinking they had the gaming media in their pocket. They still do, but they never expected legislative action, just minor consumer backlash that could be downplayed by their bought media.

All the games with lootboxes in them are garbage to begin with.
There has never been a single good game that had lootboxes in it.
Stop playing garbage games and then complaining about garbage business practices.

This

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>muh zimbabwe
This is so lazy and /pol/ infographic shit. It can't be Haiti, it can't be Detroit, it's always got to be "IT'S NOT FAIR IT'S NOT FAIR MUGABE GOT RID OF OUR ETHNOSTATE"

>tfw one of the most fun game i played this year is a mobile gatcha
If something happens to it i will be legit pissed

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just do what the japs do and make you input your age

>haha those things dont count because im a fucking autist that exclusively plays VN's
go fuck yourself

I hope it does.

You can simultaneously be concerenced with more important things as well.

>Yea Forums became the board of autistic religious regulation of video games

Remember when everyone hated Jack Thompson?

>when your exononmic system relies on stealing money from people to throw away willy nilly, on top of printing more money to throw away.
Ending support for degeneracy =/= purge

watching merchants try and spin this as an anti freedom thing has been amusing as fuck

finally politicians figure out an actual bad tech practice and ban it, and it only took them a fucking decade

Who gives a fuck?
I don't care about the rest of this race surviving, I care about me and mine.
The rest of you are cunts, you can get fucked.

Lol, im laffing at you faggots.

domestically? like 4-5. 2 Major airlines then like 3 small charters. internationally? like 3-4 times that, depending. The USA has several large ones plus a seemingly endless supply of small charters like Allegiance. Then anything else I can use all their countries major airlines, my countries major airlines or any major airline based in a country to connect through. I have probably been on like 25ish different airlines in my life, but I usually stick to Star Alliance for muhh points and status.

Why on earth should there be a random element on unlocking cosmetics

Reminder that the lobbyists control the government and will find a way to turn this into their favor before it's done in it.

>banning sex and violence
>regulating online casino gatcha shit
>i-its the same
Reatrd. lol

Ok i need to measure the magnitude of this.
Name a NON MOBILE game released on the US, targeted at minors, that has microtransactions and/or lootboxes.

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I wish Yea Forums had flags. I bet at least half of the posts in favor of government intervention are yuros. everyone knows yuros are statists who can't wait to take government cock in every hole.

And of course a republican is the only one to bring this forward. Democrats are too far up trumps ass to actually do something worthwhile

Only people that dont actually remember Thompson make this comparison.

You don't have to buy anything. Some fat fuck can just buy it for you and the game is then shaped around that bastard and fucks it up for everyone.

It does get to the point that you run away from conflict as opposed to defending what you got.
The fact you say I have a great argument means I'm correct too.

Thanks.

>24 hour early access
that's fucking hilariously awful

Fortnite
What do I win?

What are we supposed to say about Detroit? It's a ghost city

Excuse me who's talking about 3rd world countries?

they've done it for decades before horse armor

Anything without an AO ESRB rating and has microtransaction
Badically anything from Activision, Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft, Fallout 76, etc

>systematically purging all "degenerates" because muh tax theft =/= purge

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Maybe his point is that if the ESRB was actually working properly then all the games with these forms of gambling would've been rated AO?

Will this kill digital card games?

Gambling has been illegal for under 18s since 1971 (in the US). Loot boxes and other gatcha shit has taken advantage of the natural lag between laws and technology. Can you prove that loot boxes and gatcha isn't gambling? Because at first look it sure looks like gambling.
>Gambling is typically defined as: consideration, risk (chance), and a prize
>Put in real money - Consideration
>Roll virtual die/generate random number-Risk
>May win some surprise reward inside loot box-Prize

How long before 80% of the population are either lobbyists or lawyers

PVZ garden warfare 1 and 2, fortnite, league or legends and it's rivals, and Overwatch.

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No the united states expanded and just let the states have less

nah it'll just make them all 18+ so we can get boobies in them now

It better. Fuck Shartifact and Barfstone

Most of europe is asleep right now, you fucking dipshit.

Just as planned

it's gacha not gatcha you brainlet and this is nothing new look at pokemon and yugioh cards plus actual gacha machines in malls

That only supports the point made in the original post
The issue is that the ESRB rates for content, not monetization. They have no say on how games are monetized.

>Trump
>Rent free obessesion
Go dilate with your trump head dildo.

Go ahead and explain to me how ending the welfare state is a "purge"

>Tons of other problems in the world
I don't care about starving niglets in Africa

That's harmful to women, denied

>PVZ
Oh shit nigger, this bill has to pass, justice must be made.

Clearly the solution is to repeal all consumer protection laws and dissolve the BBB giving lobbyists exactly what they want.

>Go ahead and explain to me how purging poor people is a "purge"
Call me when corporate welfare is included as "degeneracy" lol

so don't play it? there are millions of fat fucks buying mcdonalds every day but I have yet to be forced to eat a mcchicken.

>effectively banning siege cause of puritan yankees.
thank christ it doesn't work.
there is no monetary compensation and in many cases prizes can not be traded for momentary compensation. your definition would include, gacha machines, trading cards, random figuirines, etc. one could make the case those are all closer to gambling since you can sell a rare magic card for a profit, of you are lucky. but you can not sell a rare fortnite skin. you are buying a digital toy and randomization is being used as a technique to make more money.

>Jack Thompson: making games worse
>Hawley: making games better
hmmm

That too is a mere distraction
They won, it's clear now

Because you get a physical product that you can trade and sell back?
Have you forgotten that TCGs already went through this like 20 years ago and fortified their legal teams so that they're untouchable?

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based schizophrenic

>government regulation is bad!
Okay, then let’s make piracy legal. Then we’ll truly see what the free market thinks is worth buying

I'm more interested in what'll happen to mtgarena and duel links.

the whole argument is gambling bad for children yet if it's physical it's a-okay

brainlet

You got me. I'm not a weeb. Point still stands. Also since you mention it, card packs should also be included, thanks for bringing it up.

Valve DOES deserve it, they are the ones that started this shit and popularized most of the cancers plaguing gaming.
Valve is facing repercussions for getting rid of physical copies years ago.
Why does Valve get a pass for getting rid of choice by getting rid of physical copies and giving digital distribution a monopoly on PC and making it so going through some console wannabe platform like Steam is the only legal way to play new games on PC and making games more expensive than ever and normalizing paying for a download etc etc?

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I don't like it. Government regulation seems like the worst outcome in a situation like this. Yet it is inevitable because the game industry is entirely incapable of regulating itself even the smallest amount. So I have no sympathy for any publisher/developer that gets caught in the crossfire.

Fuck lootboxes.

NONONONONONONONONONONO SHUT UP COMMIE

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Magic the Gathering "gets away with it" because they sell a physical product

>ignores argument
>makes strawman
>hurr durr brainlet
so this is the power of the statist.

i completely agree if they ban lootboxes they should really consider TCG a threat but they probably won't

>It does get to the point that you run away from conflict as opposed to defending what you got.

I never said i run away from the conflict, i just dont force myself to play something i dont think its good and by that im indirectly sending a message to the company that their decision made them lost an consumer. And that doesnt stop me from voicing my opinion against their decisions with the franchise i once liked and played while i play other games from other companies that cater to my needs. Moving on from things its called being mature user. You dont neet government to do that.

Your whole argument is retarded, they're literally called TRADING card games.

>this bill is shit! Here's why.
>it's not

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based soccer mom. please don't ask to speak to my manager.

>ignores argument
>makes strawman
>hurr durr schizo
so this is the power of the corporatist

Who won?

Literally any game that isn't AO.
>but M
M starts at 17, and publishers aren't stupid when it comes to whos playing their games.

>also kills p2w bullshit
How is this a bad thing, again?

Hard to do that when more and more series start pulling the same shit as the rest. I don't play west trash but seeing shit like SFV and Nintendo pull the same shit as the west just tells me this shit has spread since everyone was complacent. It would only get worse

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you still have to purchase the pack of cards that has a random card inside just physical lootbox my guy

>Bill inadvertently bans pay2win
Wow this bill is even better than I thought!

Wizard of the Coast doesn't have any control over the secondary market. It's literally against Valve's TOS to sell or buy items from anywhere else other than their own marketplace, which they directly profit from each transaction.

>states things that never happens
>calls user a corporatist for some reason
ya, schizo
make an argument loser

I refuse to believe you’re a real person

You cannot even mention them, that's how thoroughly they won

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Card games are physical objects
>treat my literally nothing the same as physical objects!
Die of a heart attack already Gabe. Charging for a download is unethical and immoral and should be illegal.

Kaiba will send his legal team of 30 lawyers.

It specifically targets p2w. It's great

not an argument

>states things that literally happens
>calls user a statist for some reason
ya, brainlet
make an argument retard

the whole point of this bill is to protect children from gambling not if something is or isn't ethical to bideogamers

>ending welfare would be a purge!
>these people are totally not a net drain on soceity!
pick one.

When are they going to pass a bill that bans Blumenthal from diddling 16 year olds like he did with his wife

>trump lovers want good games
they're not so bad actually

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>by getting rid of physical copies
How does Valve enforce this?
>making it so going through some console wannabe platform like Steam is the only legal way to play new games on PC
Once again, how does Valve force anyone to use their store?
>and making games more expensive than ever
And I remember how people on Yea Forums were preaching how sales devalue games and Valve is literally satan for even proposing idea of game ever having it's sale price reduced.
>normalizing paying for a download etc etc?
Once again, what fatass dota-playing power forces developers to do any of this?

It's not.

It also prevents companies from developing system loops that push players to spend money. Like having insane unfun grind, just to push you to blow your wallet.

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how is it not worse though? Cards can actually be sold. gacha whales know they are not getting their money back no matter what. they spend X, they get $0 in return and just get some pixels. but ""trading"" cards can be used as literal gambling open a few packs and hope you get a rare card to make a profit. Maybe they should call them "trading" boxes if it appeases your autism. since if you have ever been to a yugioh meet up you would know nobody actually trades they just sell from binders. Not that trading winnings is some sort of distinction in gambling.
>slots are not gambling because cash can literally be traded for anything. but lootboxes are because skins can not.

It will kill gacha and western "gaming", so yes, it's worth defending

Neanderthal is just doing this to defend the casinos in Connecticut. Even so, I will not shed any tears when the lootbox industry goes tits up because they lose their access to children.

The only ways in which this could backfire are ways that will not negatively affect any of the games that I play, because I have already pretty much given up on AAA games. Most of the games I play nowadays are either retro games or previous gen games from before MTX and Lootboxes ruined everything. The industry is already at rock bottom in my eyes and there's no-where to go but up.

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Let's legalize murder too. If somebody wanted to kill you then you obviously weren't that great of a person anyway, right? Besides you can just use the free market and hire your own private security force using all the money you made from flipping burgers.

So what’s the big deal? This bill is only towards children. All the higher mature games will still have loot boxes.
Why is everyone arguing like there’s no tomorrow?

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>user says degenerates will drop like lies
>you says that ending the welfare state is a purge and wont explain why
>you bring up corporate welfare for no reason
>now you mime user's posst because your iq is below room temp

>buying a physical product is gambling
Paying for digital distribution is a mental illness

I feel bad for the artists hired.

>you still have to purchase the pack of cards that has a random card inside just physical lootbox my guy
It's 2019, everyone can just buy the exact shiny holo cards they want on eBay. Why bother going to the store to buy these physical "loot boxes"?

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What the fuck is gacha? I don’t play mobile games, and all I know is gacha threads have tig ol bitties

It forces games with lootboxes to be adult only.

you're buying a packet of cards that has a chance to have the card you want

it's a stats game, retard. get rid of the 'net drains' and you'll have new net drains.

Because officially card companies say all cards are equal value and never directly acknowledge the secondary market.

Because at its essence this is a proxy battle between big government cocksuckers (whether they know it or not) bickering with libertarians or people who know just how bad we've been burned
This is the core conflict of everything in the USA

because consoles still give a shit about ESRB and their retard ratings. AO is an effective ban if you want to be on anything other than PC.

This reads like someone defending an ISP because they can't offer their throttled package network anymore. Absolute cancer and fuck anyone defending these companies.

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Meaning not possible to be sold on console anymore and google play store

someone still has to purchase the pack of cards to get that shiny holo you want on ebay

>gizmodo treating pay2win gameplay as a good thing
What the fuck

>AO games ever being profitable

reminder that government regulations are only ok when they benefit corporations.

No matter how you try to frame the argument I will never not get joy out of seeing EA and the other AAA publishers suffer. None of the good developers are going to be hurt by this anyway.

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Chinese are usually the ones who pay to win, thus feeding and growing this p2w bullshit market.
FUCK CHINA

This will cause game prices to go up. Screencap this. You faggots deserve this and I don't even like lootboxes either.

gib me crash :D

And skins do it differently?
tonnes of card games have Foils/rares/out of prints, numbered versions, different runs. Wizards of the coast have a lost of cards they can't make more of. how is that different than what lootboxes do? except 99.9% of lootboxes don't even have a market to sell them

Both parties want gambling regulated.

>user says degenerates will drop like lies
*flies
you says that killing off "degenerates" (poor people) is not a purge and wont explain why
you ignore up corporate welfare for no reason even though it's demonstrably part of the "welfare state" you're supposedly against
now you mime user's *post and samefag because your iq is below fridge temp

I can't even think of a good game that has lootboxes or p2w microtransactions. Every game would be made better with their removal

>playing western games at all

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They think selling jump boosts and weapons are things players want.

Stop playing dumb, Valve tried as hard as possible get rid of physical copies and push their console wannabe platform, normalizing paying for a download comes with that.
HL2 is a good example, the first case of online client DRM for a single player game even if you bought it physically. People bought it expecting an actual physical copy and they got a Steam code.
>but it came with a disc
if it requires Steam then it is a Steam code
Steam sales are not sales.
The entire PC gaming industry was spreading propaganda for them too, including the "journalists", all pro Steam, pro digital distribution, and anti physical copy propaganda.
The standard prices we have for games was based on the fact that games used to be sold physical only and all the logistics, effort, and extra money that comes with that, playable without a patch (at least on console), and DLC and mtx were rampant and didn't even exist for most games. On PC it used to be $50 max for an actual physical copy that was better than today's collector's editions, now they want you to pay for a download. Low cost =/= cheap or a good deal. Games are now more expensive than ever, even during Steam """""sales""""", all because PC gamers refused to say "no" to Steam and refused to boycott Valve into bankruptcy after they launched Steam.
Even piracy isn't a good deal, you are just getting the digitally distributed game for what it is worth - $0
Idiot A buys an ounce of silver for $500, Person B buys an ounce of gold at spot price, Idiot A tells Person B that Idiot A got a better deal because he only paid $500. Idiot A is acting like because he paid less he got a better deal but he isn't taking into account what they got and for how much. Did Person B get a good deal on his gold? No, but he didn't over pay like Idiot A did for his silver. You idiots that pay for digital are Idiot A but far worse

>degenerates "dropping like flies" would not be a purge!
>but corporate welfare is totally ok because not a net drain on soceity for reasons!
brainlet

>or people who know just how bad we've been burned
are you seriously trying to say that trumptards are the ones who know how bad we've been burned? Most Americans know we've been burned, but the alt-right believes that a zionist corporatist will somehow solve it

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Good. Hope they go belly up from the backlash

>OH NO! MY SONY LESBIAN MOVIE GAME WILL BE $20 MORE EXPENSIVE!

>loot boxes are bad
>tiddy streamers are bad
how else are we suppose to tax stupidity?

Its a double edged sword. Lootboxes are incredibly predatory, it is a terrible business practice, and the AAA games cannot fucking help themselves but try to rake in as much cash as possible because the marketting budgets are triple the production budgets. They should be fucked over. However it sets a bad precedent and invites more regulation. As soon as we get any govt regulations it can open the floodgates. While I welcome this for crashing the current market it probably will stick around and we will be stuck permanently with a bunch of faggots and jews saying what can and cannot be done.

>millenials don't go to casioms anymore
>government wants to strong arm out Lootboxes
HMMMMM
CS Go
Rainbow Six Siege
neither of them have P2W. but I have no idea what that has to do with this thread.

>This will cause game prices to go up.
And that's a good thing. Time for casuals to leave this hobby alone again. Dedicated poorfags can pirate like they always have

Good. I'd rather not play games than for bad ones to exist. Fuck modern video games.

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>And skins do it differently?
You can't buy the skins individually when sold through lootboxes or you can only sell them through an exclusive marketplace that the company directly profits off without breaking their TOS.

WOTC and other tcg companies do not acknowledge the secondary market, as such to the company, each card has the same value as any other one.

The ESRB could have stopped this when EA was shitting all ovet the walls with its loot box shit, but they ware to busy sucking cock for money.

They asked for this.

Do you view the world through a trump/antitrump lens or something
Well all I can say is that you deserve your self-created hell, enjoy.

What games do you play, user? Indies?

First Amendment will still reign supreme on artistic expression. Gambling is not protected expression though and no-one has ever successfully made that argument.

don't be a nigger, even leftists want this

Trump won’t let this happen. He’s on our side.

I'd pay 10 bucks for horse armor.

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No they don't moron.
People who crack packs are either
A) Vendors who are getting more single money cards to sell. They buy large orders and open boxes if not cases at a time.
B) Kids
C) People who are in Target and have a quick splurge of nostalgia buying themselves a few packs
D) newfag players who don't know any better by this point
E) stubborn kitchen table groups who think that buying singles online is cheating and you can only build decks with the cards you crack.

Stop posting, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The bill bans p2w along with lootboxes. You can still sell cosmetics, they just have to be purchased without RNG. I don't see how CSGO or R6 would become worse with that change

>CSGO
1.6 and Source are better
>R6S
ew ubishit
also fuck subhuman gachashitters, they all deserve to get raped by cacti

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Name of the game?

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This. We just have to get him to tweet out gamergate 2.0!

Heh heh, good.

How the fuck is that "kinda shitty"? Fuck Jews, this bill is based. I dab on publishers' lost profits!

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I never wanted the government involved but people called them out on their shit and they didn't listen.

each pack has the same # of cards and all the cards have the same value according to the tcg company, the value is purely determined by the secondary market.

>no they don't moron
>posts 5 different kinds of people who do exactly that
keep up brainlet

So, a secondary market is fine if they don't acknowledge it, making it not gambling.
but is there is no market to begin with it is gambling?
that makes no sense. the gambling aspect of trading cards is okay because companion ignore it? but the fact that it doesn't exist in any non valve lootbox game is a bad thing?

Pulling life support isn't murder.
>you ignore up corporate welfare for no reason even though it's demonstrably part of the "welfare state" you're supposedly against
That's the strawman, I'm not against ending corporate welfare. You seem to have a weird presupposition that libertarians are pro corporation.

that doesn't change anything my guy

>artistic expression
Games are not art, and any claim to be art they had was thrown out the window when digital distribution was pushed just so they could make more money with less effort while lowering the quality.

After over a dozen different arguments and explaining to them the differences between lootbox/gacha and TCGs I'm convinced people asking how they're different actually interested in understanding why and just want to convince themselves they're the same for the sake of justifying lootbox/gacha. Retards will still insist they're the same no matter what even with posts explaining why they're not earlier in the same thread.

>establishing a political identity around video game legislation

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I always laugh when trading card retards defend their 25+ year old scam.
They've been getting kiked for so long and they think its normal and that its ok.

great

People on here are willing to commit murder and die for videogames.

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>Pulling life support isn't murder.
It is when you are targeting a group in order to purge them
>That's the strawman, I'm not against ending corporate welfare
That's why it's not a strawman, dumbass. Congrats you played yourself.

I still hold onto mine, not to sell when they grow in value but rather I would like to watch them all burn someday

>the bill bans P2W
and how do the our of touch boomers define P2W?
>I don't see how CSGO or Siege would become worse.
before Alpha Packs in siege all skins had to be purchased with either real money or an insane amount of in game currency or real money. So I had none. Now I get tonnes every so often for just winning games.
CS:GO would become more expensive without it's primary revenue stream (they even went F2P) and would probably lack skins if it was banned when the game came out. I also have never paid a cent on keys but sold cases for more money than I paid for the game, and used the returns to buy some nice skins, and even gotten money off of other games.

Dragalia Lost

>someone still has to purchase the pack of cards
>no they don't moron
>posts 5 different kinds of people who don't have to purchase them
stop moving the goalposts you pathetic subhuman brainlet

Should've also included medical explanations/reasonings about long-term positive reinforcement, psychological conditioning and exploitation. That would surely propel the cause globaly.

It does though. You can't claim it's gambling when every card has the same inherent value. The same can't be said for lootbox drops.

moving what goalpost you're the retard saying no one has to buy the packs

I know trading cards always get brought up, but has anyone else noticed how hard blindboxes and the like have been getting pushed in children's toys?

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>they are the ones that started this shit and popularized most of the cancers plaguing gaming.
Actually that would be EA, they invented the modern P2W lootbox with Madden Ultimate Team, and when companies look at lootboxes, they see the $1 billion USD that EA makes annually off of them

My android can't load the character models

The only reason trading cards get brought up in these threads is because of lootbox addled retards using them to justify lootbox and gacha.
I think TCGs are shit but I'm also not going to falsely equate them to lootboxes.

every lootbox drop has the same value of nothing because it's virtual trash

>selling lootboxes
>to children
Why is is detail so hard to understand? Do you think a 12 year old spends 15k$ on gacha shit or do you think it's a lonely 27 year old faggot? Fucking hell Yea Forums

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What exactly is meant by "a competitive advantage over ones who didn't purchase them"? It sounds like every F2P monetization model that sells characters and weapons (Warframe, Payday 2, LoL, etc.) would be outright banned.

Also, with the mention of collector editions being banned, it seems like singleplayer games aren't exempted from the bill and could be affected by the above problem. Imagine: an expansion pack can add new areas and better weapons, but any additional areas/weapons can only be added as post-game content, because otherwise it could be argued players who bought the expansion have a competitive advantage. In a single player game.

I'm a puritan when it comes to the concept of what's P2P, but that's bordering on silly.

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>i just started playing two weeks ago and i got all the fire emblem characters + mym without spending a dime

I remember a time when the skins and stickers you're concerned about losing were free content created by the community.

They literally don't you drooling mong. You moved the goalpst from "they have to buy them" to "they buy them"

I smell corporate fear.

Virtual trash that has inherently higher value than other trash set by the game developer retard.

are you just baiting at this point i'm confused

who fucking cares, stopping it regardless means we don't have to fucking deal with less content in return for chanced boxes

>What exactly is meant by "a competitive advantage over ones who didn't purchase them"?

That's the textbook definition of pay to win my guy.

They shouldnt be used to justify them, if anything they should be mentioned as an example of the scam being long running.

Having to spend potential hundreds of dollars to make a basic card deck will never be ok.
Muh physical is a shit argument too when its just some crappy paper card the company could print as often as they want. Any sort of rareness exclusively exists to milk fucktards.

the rarity of each card in pokemon is 100% different
first shown by common uncommon and rare and then you have Full art versions which are rarer then none full art and then you also have the secret rare cards

No you won't you absolute fucking monkey they're outlawing selling lootboxes to children who are a tiny minority of all lootbox sales. Literally NOTHING is going to change

I fully support it

Because you're a subhuman retard. Nobody is "baiting" you.

It’s more about the principle than the amount. I understand why people don’t want children involved with loot boxes but who gives a fuck over some stranger blowing his money away? He can do whatever he wants, he’s an adult and if that decision bites him in the ass, it’s on him.

>to children
to children
>to children
to children
>to children
to children
>to children
to children
>to children
to children
>to children
to children
>to children
to children
>to children
to children

They could enforce the rating laws and that would work too, but either way glad something is being tried

p2w = anything that grants a competitive advantage, it's described more thoroughly in the bill's text
The other shit you're saying is that you're whining that whales won't be able to subsidize free skins for you. Blame Valve for locking sprays and weapon skins. Remember CS Central?

i think gacha games like dragalia are different because they're very straight up about the odds of what you're getting

lootboxes work differently and use a lot of very predatory practices like dropping a "loot crate" that costs money to open into your inventory to sit there and tempt you

furthermore i don't think games with lootboxes are usually very straight up about the odds of the drops. dragalia lists the odds right in front of you so you know what you're getting into. lootboxes hide it and i wouldn't be surprised if many of them adjust the odds in order to maximize profit.

for example, after your first in-game purchase your odds of getting a really good item from a lootbox might be increased under-the-hood in order to reward you for spending money.

i'll take that as a yes

>the gambling aspect of trading cards is okay because companion ignore it?
Because they don't set the value of these cards, only the secondary market does. Part of the reason lootboxes in non-valve games are still gambling is because certain drops have a inherently higher value than others.

why the hell would you want a contract that cripples everything but your netflix? you do understand that's the actual way that works, right? it makes no difference to them that it's netflix

>Black Lotus
$27k
>cheapest card
$0.01
>rarest Overwatch skin resale value
$0
>most common overwatch skin resale value
$0
You are making a compelling argument for lootboxes and against MTG I guess
>BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT CAUSE EBAY AND CARD SHOPS ARE NOT WOTC
this is the most arbitrary bullshit I have ever seen. If this is true, why isn't every deck in every TCG compromised solely of foils? why do they print the edition on cards, what number or print it comes from? if they are totally oblivious to this and treat each card as equal? why does MTG have a list of cards they wont reprint, as to not fuck overvcollectors if they think every card has the same value?

How will they distinguish the children from manchildren if these little fuckers keep lying about their age online?

Thanks for conceding.

>It is when you are targeting a group in order to purge them
pulling life support on all people on life support still ins't murder. And saying that you are purging people on life support is a stupid characterization.
If a neet dies because he loses his neet bucks it's his fault for being a lazy cunt.
And you were attributing a point that I do not hold, which is literally a strawman.

Because children don't have credit cards, holy shit Yea Forums your world view is one hell of a mess

The law should be enforced so children can't buy or play 18+ games, Issue a fine to the parents if they get caught, Treat it like alcohol and tobacco

The legally defined age for adulthood in the US is 18.
The age requirement for M rate games starts at 17.
Retailers refuse to carry AO games.
I'm sure you can figure this one out user.

>accept any sort of personal responsibility
Tell that to corpies and bankers. Member 2008?
Using psychological methods to exploit people, especially vulnerable ones, is unacceptable. And using business/economy as an excuse to push such depravity is the top line irresponsibility bordering on evil. Same with politics but thats another can of rotten soup.