Aside from OoT, what is generally considered the GOAT?

Aside from OoT, what is generally considered the GOAT?

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Super Mario 64

Super Metroid and Metroid Prime 1.
Requirement in every top list.

Bloodborne in most cases

SotN is pretty overrated desu. It's still technically very impressive, with excellent graphics and music, but in terms of mechanics and level design it pales in comparison to the later entries in its own series (let alone earlier competitors like Super Metroid).

HAHAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

This. I'm going with BB.

Taking after Metroid's level design was a mistake, Rondo of Blood is way more fun.

i will never understand chrono trigger being way higher than ff7 despite both being made basically by the same team at the same time,ff7 is always way under it in every list,is this the 2d nostalgia or just a trend? both are basically the same kind of game,what gives?

ff7's story recycles more of chrono trigger than it seems at first glance, and it does all that shit worse
ff7 is only okay desu. it's not much better or worse than the surrounding titles, it's just well known because it's the first one most people played

Simple, 2D ages better than 3D & Chrono Trigger has better pacing. Pacing is the single most important part of any game

Super Mario Bros 3

One of the PS2 GTA games

Aria of Sorrow was much better.

i disagree but think both opinions are worthwhile

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Ocarina of Time aged badly, not considered the GOAT anymore, but Wind Waker is very good and a worthy spot.
It was a very wonky game that we all love because we played it when we were 8.
Chrono Trigger mastered the JRPG genre before FF7 killed it forever.

Based polite user

>Ocarina of Time aged badly, not considered the GOAT anymore, but Wind Waker is very good and a worthy spot.
lol

bb is a very good game unfortunately held back by shitty hardware

Why is Shadow of the Colossus so popular now? It was never talked about when it came out

>Chrono Trigger mastered the JRPG genre before FF7 killed it forever.
In what way? Do you seriously think Chrono Trigger has better combat and story than every other jrpg out there?

The only thing SotN has to wow the player is the volume of content, not its quality.

>steer clear from most of the 3D ones, even if they're decent they are simply not Castlevania.
And Metroid Prime is simply not Metroid I guess
Honestly Curse of Darkness is damn good at least for anybody who loves the iga part of igavanias, it sucks that people don't give it a chance just because lol 3D castlevania it must suck

lol no.

It released at the end of the PS2's lifespan, same with Majora's Mask. People started to realize how amazing it was once they played it on a emulator

Not him but yes, Trails in the Sky duology is pretty much the only RPG that compares to Chrono Trigger in terms of a being an all around game

If Metroid games are so good then why do they always sell like shit?

>all that Nintendicksuckery
>all that trash like Las of Us
>all that Redditcore like Portal

No.

>SM64
>wonky game
It has better movement than 99% of games even being made today.

Reddit liking portal doesn't mean portal stops being a good game.

Chrono Cross always receives hate yet it's always listed in these "best games of all time." What gives?

>Bioshock
Who actually fell for this?

No.

> The only PC games on there are Valve shit
LOL the absolute state of PC Gaming

It's a shame that Half Life was successful, even though they're decent games
They forced you down a corridor to witness scripted events and gave you vaguely interesting guns to kill the same 3 enemies with

It’s literally the most iconic original game of the last two console generation

>Ocarina of Time aged badly, not considered the GOAT anymore

you bullshitting fucking faggot

bloddborne was great but way too much cut content
its crazy to think how much they changed the story

Still better than console shooters.

It's just assmad Trigger fagboys crying about how it's not a 1-1 clone of Chrono Trigger, same with MGS1 fags hating on MGS2. Critics have always loved it

For me its MGS3.

>Great gameplay thats made even better if youre willing to ignore a certain weapon that makes the game too easy
>great replayabilty due to how many insane ways the player is allowed to interact with the game. Ive discovered something new on every run ive done
>fantastic pacing for the majority of the game
>A great story that even if you dont like the fight choreography and charecters are entertaining enough that the cutscenes are still enjoyable to watch

it being higher ranked than SotN is complete shit.

Scripted events were very rare in 1997 shooters and there are way more than 3 enemies

I dunno, thought it was below mediocre when it came out but JRPG competition was pretty fierce that gen.

SoTC is basically Playstation's equivelent of Ocarina of Time, so it's understandable that it would rate very highly

Cringe

None of the SOTN clones are better than SOTN.

The 64 games, LoI, and CoD are all fun romps

No one played Cross but it's mediocre anyway

Valkyrie Profile is objectively superior to SOTN in every regard

it's shorter but has more features at first glance.
overall SotN still thrives.

Why the fuck are Witcher 3, Halo CE & Skyrim even on here? They are complete garbage

>FFVII and Chrono Cross are the PS1 JRPG picks
God damn.

lol

They are right & you know it faggot, FF9 is a boring slog so don't even bother crying about how it's better than FF7

I don't think aria of sorrow is shorter, unless you messed up and got the super short ending.

As if even a quarter of the Nintendo games belong on there, or Portal, or Bioshock, or Mass Effect, or Tetris, or the JRPGs lol

> Bbbbut Nintendo
Seething, all of them objectively belong on there ahead of any game you like. Only glaring ombission from Nintendo's library is EarthBound which deserves to be on there ahead of Skyrim
> Tetris doesn't belong
Jesus christ, imagine being this much of a contrarian faggot. Kill yourself WRPG-Kun

No 3d mario game is good, prove me wrong.

Suck Nintendo's and Square's dick harder you faggot. Where are the cool games like Deus Ex, Max Payne, GTAIII, the first Resident Evil, Supreme Commander, any of the numerous masterpieces on Sega consoles, anything by Sid Meier? Fucking Zelda and Portal and JRPGs over these games, what are we all 5?

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3.

Not how it works faggot, when giving a extremely unpopular opinion the burden of proof is on you to convince us why you are right

the truth is here

> Literal who western garbage & one popular Capcom game
> Crying about POPULAR = BAD
Every single fucking time, everytime you contrarians make bullshit claims you are always circlejerking irrelevant garbage. Fucking kill yourself

>ctrl f nier
>0 results
perfect

lulz i trole u

> MUH I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED
That's even worse faggot

I have enjoyed several 3D Castlevanias honestly but they just aren't as good to me. Konami completely killed off the 2D games to exclusively make just 3D titles. I doubt they'll ever make a 2D one again if they ever even make one again.

I agree, it is worse, so why are you still pretending?

Cope more, you were the one crying about how your literal who games weren't acknowledged & completely overshadowed by actually good games that people like.

>mfw Dead Rising 1 is not considered GOAT

Always will be in my heart anyway

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>literal who games
Simply eric

Prove me wrong, if they were relevant then why weren't they on there?

The game is better than everything before it
Dawn of Sorrow is worse
And is the same as good as everything done in GBA and NDS

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SOTC is mediocre garbage that suffers from terrible controls and camera

OOT is probablty THE most overrated game ever, I genuinely can't comprehend why people consider it that good

Because the image is formed by poll results from sites frequented by neckbearded manchildren and ignoramuses with poor taste.

Mario 64 still having responsive controllers and great gameplay until this day. Is extremely simple, but absolutely a blast. Level design is pretty good and Mario moveset and displacement was in his second best iteration.

Why do contrarians desperately try so hard to validate themselves by sharing garbage opinions that nobody agrees with? You are fighting a losing battle

> Bbbbut everyone else is wrong
> I'm the lone minority who is right
Fucking cope more, this is pathetic. Nobody will ever acknowledge your piece of shit games & those in the picture will continually be recognized as the best

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>muh contrarians
give actual fucking answers

MGS 3, Mario Galaxy and Resident Evil 4 deserve to be in a list like that, honestly

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You start faggot, vague seething about iconic games isn't an argument.
> POPULAR = BAD!
That's all your post amounted too, if you want anyone to give a shit what you think then give an in-depth explanation on why both are poorly designed games. The burden of proof is on you to convince us why these iconic games are bad

>iconic games
How exactly?

i beg to differ,but sotc has one of the most fluid controls of all time

*block your path*

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I honestly don't care if they're never acknowledged by mouth-breathing forum dwellers. The games on that list are still basic bitch kiddy shit. I mean, fucking Portal is like a 2 hour game, for a puzzle game that is atrocious.

> Literally the 10 highest rated games ever
> How are they iconic?
Jesus christ, Incel contrarians really are illiterate

Camera and controls aren't what I'd go after if I was ragging on SotC but go for it, dude.

It's painful to control, actually the remake made it even worse, you clearly see the gap between the upgraded visuals and the dated gameplay who didn't change. The camera is super wonky and the character contols are super floaty, awkward and approximatives.

Clearly they do since you are crying your eyes about how your literal who trash wasn't acknowledged, now you try to downplay their significance even though you were the one crying & offended about games you never played being included in the first place. If you didn't care then you wouldn't be in this fucking thread

SOTN doesn't have terrible controls. The controls were one of my favorite aspects of the game. Alucard moves so gracefully on the screen and is so damn flexible, it's amazing.

better than super?
HAHAHAHA you're retarded

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Your explanation is literally
>review say its good = Game is good
Do you have any actual argument?

MGS 3, Metal Gear Solid V, Rising and Metal Gear Peace Walker were the best ones for the playthrough, even if i really liked the story of 2 and 1 more than the other games after 3, except for Rising.

I enjoyed more 3 than 5. 5 would be more fun to play and have more options, but i play MGS 3 not just for the stealth, if not for the details like codec calls, secrets, extras, Kojima shit, and a memorable argument to motivate myself to keep going in the journey.

MGS 3 was nice, first MGS i ever played and one of the few games that i ever 100%'ted

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Why do you even bother trying to reason with these contrarian faggots, every time someone cries about how a popular game is bad they are just assmad that their niche games aren't good enough to be acknolwedged. They will never actually explain why the games itself are bad, other then using meaningless buzzwords like "Overrated'

>muh contrarians
keep seething

> BBBBBUT NO YOU!
Fuck off contrarian, you are the one who still has yet to come up with a single argument as to why they are bad. I don't need to defend them because i'm not the one in the minority. If you want anyone to give a single fuck about what you think then you will give us a good explanation as to why each of them are bad. But you literally cannot, so you will cry about it & use vague buzzwords like "Well Popular Reviews = Bad".

Maybe it's just me tho. I like classic castlevania anyway
I just liked SOTN kind of Castlevania more, with RPG and exploration stuff
The only core game that i truly like as SOTN and so on is Rondo of Blood
I even liked more PS2 games

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t. tranny aspie who actually likes speedrunning

Absolutely seething, why can't you give arguments?

The only "bad" Castlevania game that i ever played was that awful 3DS one.

>SOTC
>Symphony of the colossus

> Bbbut no you are the one seething
Says the one desperate to have his opinion validated by seething about how these popular games are bad for no other reason other than "Popular Game = Bad", "Niche = Good". Clearly being called a contrarian offends you since you have to project your own seething onto me

The second half of this game is trash. Super Metroid is leagues better.

fuck, good catch

> NNNO YOU ARE SEETHING
Nice fucking logic there you absolute retard, most of my favorite games are in that picture. I'm absolutely estatic knowing that my opinions will always be echoed by the majority.

You don't need to get so mad because people don't like your favourite video games that for some reason you can give any argument as to why they're so good

> Nobody has given a single reason as to why any of those games are bad except POPULAR = BAD
> Somehow i'm in the wrong because i'm calling you contrarians out on your bullshit
Kill yourself

because it's any better than
>review say it's good= game is good
right?

based

It's not that they're bad, they just aren't good enough to be on a "top 36 games of all time" list. Also, I did give a reason for why Portal is actually bad.

>SotN
6.5/10
>OoT
6/10
7/10
>Super Metroid
7/10
7/10
>Shadow of the Colossus
6.5/10
6/10
7/10
>Metal Gear Rising
8/10

Where's DKC 2 reeeeeeeeeeeee