2 more weeks

2 more weeks until what? Bare minimum of features being sold to sell features and patches later? Do NOT fucking forget it's a Johan's game.
I'll pick it up two or three years later once it's more or less playable.

Has anyone counted the number of DLC these games have received over time yet? Obviously, with the launch prices summed up.

Paradox is quite literally whaling its fanbase. Except instead of gachas which give out JPEGs, it's exp packs which modify the map a tiny bit and add a new togglle in the UI.

Call em jewish as much as you think, but their shit works to a degree at least. Not to mention that a lot of shit is Skin garbage which no one has to buy to begin with.

ya i cant wait to effectively pay $699.99 plus tax for this game

(unironically)

>Call em jewish as much as you think, but their shit works to a degree at least.

So do F2P games focused around hunting for whales.

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Where is Ricardo?

imagine being this retarded

Por que?

HOI4 came out 3 years ago now right? That game is still nowhere near good even with all the dlc.
For a while EUIV and CK2 were actually getting great dlc that brought tons of QoL changes and improvements to the entire game but now paradox just makes shitty culture packs or whatever the fuck

>Greece
>middle eastern
Failed geography?

Their games are usually pretty fun at release. Then they add more useless bloat.

Honestly I just want a Paradox game with EUIV gameplay except it's playing in the cradle of civilization, i.e. ancient Sumeria/Indus River Valley, and up to Alex the Great's conquest
I just don't really like the meh leader mechanics with marrying/having sex/doing incest. I'd prefer big battles/crusades/world wars tbqh (as in EUIV)

Cuture, mate.
Just like Australia is a western country despite being on the other side of the Earth just kilometers away from Asia/Orient.

It's a shame these games are so boring and have no diversity in the gameplay. Playing carthage will feel exactly the same as playing rome.

Map is incredible

I want to play for some germanic tribe(saxons) and create a civilized germanic version of Rome in Northern europe.
Or some slavic bog people, expanding like they did IRL.

But knowing paradox and their shitty mechanics, i will have to wait for DLC's to actually be able do this.

Is this the final map?

I'll just pirate it in 3 years after the 6 DLC packs make it playable.

Why is there such a big grey area in northern Europe? Forest too thick or did the residents there kick roman ass?

Germania DLC

Pirate on release if it's any good and buy years later when it's on sale for 10 bucks just for easy mod access.

What the fuck are you even supposed to do in this game other than pick rome and try creating the empire? Are there any other interesting nations to play? Greeks maybe?

the same thing you do in any grand strat game? Blob

>germany is uncolonized wasteland
>but sweden is not

I don't understand

i have done many runs in eu4 in which i pick a nation and try sticking to historical accuracy to contain myself from conquering half the world, this setting is just romewinslol so i don't know what else i could do.

>Play as German minor
>Play as English minor
>Play as African Minor
>Play as Near East nation

Stop Rome as the Samnites

no this is :)

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picking Macedonia and recreating Alexander's empire would be nice for a blobbing game but knowing paradox, the nation will have no flavor at release so they can release the Alexander's Legacy expansion pack.

>another mana blobfest
why?

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>muh mana

Found the brainlet

the greek city state flavor is a pre-order/deluxe edition DLC

>they added nuragian tribes in Sardina in the latest version
AWW YES, time to bring back the collapse of the bronze age.

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>game is called imperator
>end date is when the empire is formed
keksikus maximus.

whaling the fanbase is justified when its a small fanbase with no room for growth.
I just wish Paradox didn't make their games absolute shit, if they weren't I would buy the game and DLC plus tip.

you do know that the title "Imperator" was created since the republic ?

Might be fun for a few games, then you can wait several years before they make the game decent and then it'll go to shit with bloat. Also one consul lol and always have to play the loyalists in a civil war, thank you based jewhan.

nobody cares about the commanders of the republic. i want to play as the fucking empire. republicucks fuck off.

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Boi is going to be the game's Ulm isn't it?

Please tell me you aren't buying a paradox game on release

>ruler is a chad
>+1 point generation
>ruler is a virgin
>-1 point generation

Paracucks call this gameplay feature.

I bought the game already. You poor?

Can you only play as Romans in this game? I don't like Romans.

paradox's battles are literally looking at number flicking on screen, all you can do is throwing soldiers at the enemies with and praying that the dice rolls would favor you

>Can you only play as Romans in this game?
No.

>I don't like Romans.
t. Gallic trash

the devs are swedish niggers. Every fucking game they slurp their own dicks with shit like this

Sorry, can't hear you over how awesome Elder Kings is.

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>being a faggy empirnigger

>tfw establishing Greater Israel with 100% Jewish pops
I hope Johan doesn't consider it too much of a red pill and actually adds it into the game. We know he already wants to

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HOI4 got the paradox barebones on release treatment just like the other games. The real problem with HOI4 is that they released it in such a truly fucking awful state that even with a million DLCs they cant fix the basic problems the game has. Remember how fucking TERRIBLE the AI was on release? It still has tons of problems that paradox doesn't feel like fixing for free.

EU4 became bloated with DLCs but there's still a good game in there somewhere. CK2 is actually a pretty fucking great game now with all of the DLC, too bad it only took seven years and literally hundreds of dollars if you don't want to pirate.

What's even the point of this? Paying 200 dollars to Paradox for another rehash? Just go play EU: Rome and pretend it has modern graphics. There, now you can give me those 190 dollars I saved you.

This new one has stances you can choose depending on the enemy and the terrain

>Focus it around classsical antiquity
Startdate is BC 303 and it ends around AD 0. That's not classical antiquity at all, you retarded baboon. Imperium Universalis is more about classical antiquity

No, what I am is not retarded, retard. You spent money on a game that is guaranteed to be totally incomplete upon release, and you expect people to feel jealous of you? Don't make me laugh famalam

The map goes all the way to India.

>Greek culture
>Middle Eastern
Nice try, Muhammed

Cute

>AD 0

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t. Germaniapro

Might be a few years before or after, not exactly sure. Not classical antiquity though, that's for sure

Go read a book, user.
Greeks were Indo-Europeans who took over and assimilated the culture of Minoans (whoever the fuck they were).

The culture was decidedly mid-eastern. From having harems (a portion of a house where the females hide when a non-family male comes over), females being the property of their father/husband, institutionalised fucking of young boys in education, females being required to hide their faces and skin (basically what the mussies do with burkhas today) when walking outside, mid-eastern tech, trade and philosophy,...

Greeks didn't really have any "western" going for them before the conquest by Romans, it was just selective we-wuzzing during the Science revolution.

middle eastern doesn't mean islamic back then you dunghead

The problem with Paradox is that they have too many games to support, patch, and develop DLC for. And since the games are all very similar, a lot of features and focus sort of blend together. Like CK2 and EU4. The Horse Lords expansion for CK2 and Cossacks DLC for EU4 came out and were developed roughly the same time, and focused on roughly the same thing. The same for Jade Dragon (CK2) and Mandate of Heaven (EU4), which both focused on China. Everything's just sort blending together. Paradox is currently supporting 4 GS games: CK2, EU4, HOI4, and Stellaris. That's bug fixes, balancing issues, new DLC and feature; I can't imagine it's easy to make a game the best it can be when you have to do the exact same thing with 3 other games as well. Now CK2 is thankfully at the end of its lifespan, but with Imperator looking to take its place, and with talk of Vicky 3 on the way, I can't see this cycle ending.

I mean this can't be sustainable. Paradox can't keep doing this forever.

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0AD isn’t a thing you absolute pleb.

>I mean this can't be sustainable. Paradox can't keep doing this forever.
Don't be delusional. They've made plenty of shekels off their games, they can do it as long as people are still willing to pay 15 dollars to fix one game mechanic.

These games are a pain in the ass to pirate because they keep updating everything. Just release an actual game you hacks.

>Dicky 3
lads, im not ready on what kikery awaits for a sequel I wanted so fucking much bros

I couldnt take it breh ;_;

The game is a shitfest, in the Dev multiplayer game Johon is playing Rome and has managed to make like 90% of his population Roman and still has money and Mana out the ass as well and near infinite manpower and mercs. It has gotten to the point where everyone is basically EU4 Burgundy and just throwing 100k mercs at people every war getting 90% of them killed and then forcing a white peace. Also you can apparently assassinate spam enemy rulers like early CK2 and cause a unrest shitfest.

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Damn right I'm ready.

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I'd be willing to buy them if they released them on GOG or better yet, released online DRM free physical copies. But why would anyone except the stupidest of the stupid pay hundreds of dollars to rent these games and all their DLC packs from Steam?

>Johon is playing Rome
That's not our Johan, he's playing Saxony settled in Crimea

But I don't want to play as Pontus.

I dont want it. I have no confidence they can pull it off right without charging people to fix their own game. Paradox games are like buying a used car from the only car mechanic in the universe, you're constantly bent over the barrel because these fuckers are the only game in town.

Don't trip over your skirt mate.

>BCE

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Imperator is on GOG tho

POLAN MENTIONED
EPIC WIN

>giving a shit about BCE in the current year

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>Religion
>Islam
my sides

>Heisei 31
>getting uppity over an extra letter tacked on to what has otherwise been the same calendar for centuries

Why does this picture looks like anthropomorphic having sex?

Maybe there is a reason why they are the only mechanics left

Don't worry user, they're already working on their DLC: IMPERATOR ROMANA. At $20, it's a steal! It even lets you have a second Consul!

Because making a grand strategy game in current year isn't a smart economic investment for anyone else other than paradox?

>1 (one) consul
bruh look at this dude

>hellenistic period
>classical antiquity
Oh sweetie... The empires of the middle east were long gone by that point...

It's almost as if these games are actually incredibly boring and shallow or something.

Persia too.

>From having harems (a portion of a house where the females hide when a non-family male comes over), females being the property of their father/husband, institutionalised fucking of young boys in education, females being required to hide their faces and skin
Almost all of that is actually indo-european/steppe culture, if you look at bronze age MENA cultures they were absolutely nothing like that and in fact pretty much the opposite.

>0 AD

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wait until Paradox releases the expansion DLC for each culture group and then play as them
I'm hype to be able to form Prussia as the Suebi

>Respectfully Disagree

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I didn't know a person could be his uneducated. Classical antiquity is an art history period stretching between the 8th century BC and 5 or 6th or 7th century AD (depending where) in Europe. The same time framework was adopted by historians in general to create a broad, singular definition for all categories of history during that period

It makes no sense though. BC and AD at least represent a shift in a significant event (at least to the people who invented the modern calendar). What exactly happened at that same point to mark a shift between the Common era and before the common era? Nothing. It's a pseudo Intellectual definition used by people who dont understand the history behind the calendar system

One good thing is hearing the anguished cries of Christians and Muslims as they behold the glory of pagan civilizations that predate their shitty religions.

Just wait for the DLC lmao

So what are your ideas and plans for when the game comes out?

>form a Roman thalassocracy instead of empire
>form Roman Empire with HRE borders
>conquer Egypt as Nubia
>reconquer all of Carthage as Tyre
>try to reform Babylon, if possible
>play as Byzantium and try to get Byzantine Empire borders
>try to conquer Athens as Melos, if that's playable
>conquer Rome as the Samnites

That's all I can think for now. I wish China were playable.

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this, only retards use BCE and CE. Real chads use the French Revolutionary calendar

Stop leeching off of the government Varg.

What year does it go to? Assuming it's possible I want to play as violent christian niggers and subjugate Africa.

go die for Israel

The failure of HOI3 broke johan, he's just a shadow of his former self.

>not dating from the founding of the city

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>tfw mixed up classical antiquity with Greek classical period
Oops. But then it's just retarded to claim that classical antiquity wasn't about Rome

>pick some random, small irrelevant nation
>cheat rampantly
>blob to disgusting proportions
>post screenshot on /gsg/ for autists to lap up

You're playing the wrong game then

I'm looking to form Greater Israel and subjugate the romans and egyptians, like God originally intended

That is my impression as well.

It refers to the Greco Roman culture that spread from Spain to Iraq and Britain to Africa through that period

store.steampowered.com/app/23420/Europa_Universalis_Rome__Gold_Edition/
Just buy this, at least it won't have 50 different DLC.

Well depending on the end date I might not be. When was the first christian nation? Like 4th century AD?

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I already own EU4. Still, that looks like a nice mod.

>Boi
The catamite tribe?

Is this game supposed to be more like EU or CK?

It doesn't need to have Summerian roots to be from the Middle East.
Persians were (are) IE, steppe in origin and definitely middle eastern. They also had harems, though the proto-burkha thing would either be entirely Greek or maybe Semitic in origin. It was most definitely a culture shock to the Romans (there's a recorded incident where a delegation from Rome gets invited to a Greek house and invites the diplomats daughter to the dinner... suffice to say, both sides get a culture shock moment and it ends up with a dead Roman and later, a Greek guy executed for murder).
And of course, there were all those other mid eastern-originating things that I haven't mentioned.

Where the fuck is Iran and India and where the fuck is Greece

It's pretty much Sengoku: Rome.
>English text
>right-to-left reading like japs
bruh

EU. If it was CK then there'd be more than 1 (one(uno(ein(ichi)))) consul

THIS, fucking play hoi4 all the time, still no espionage, supply system still fucked, thank god for easy modding

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Can I make Remus slay Romulus instead and recreate the Reman Empire with Rem as it's beautiful capital?

Don't worry user, you'll get an expansion which adds China and fucking India that nobody asked for.

India is cool tho. Alexander was there.

>DLC that adds India
>he doesn't know

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I KNOW WHO I'M PLAYING FIRST

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Guess that means we're getting highly detailed China then.

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I mean, can't really blame him. It's simple and has worked for them so far.
At the last (or maybe the one before?) pdxcon somebody basically asked him "any chance for the game to be less about being a god-ruler that controls everything in mana points, a bit closer to M&T?" and johan answered "direct action for direct reward is the core of EU4 design"

I just play M&T and am happy like that. Last DLC I bought was Mandate of Heaven and I hope the future doesn't hold any DLCs that are as mandatory as common sense and Cossacks (before estates were made free)

I hope so, China in this period is extremely interesting. I'd love to play as Qin Shi Huangdi and BTFO everyone else. Or maybe play as literally anyone else and BTFO Qin.

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India is nice and all, but Central Asia is where the real shit lies.
Indo-Greek kingdoms, nomads who forced China to build the Great Wall and Persia to build their own Great Wall.

You've also got the Kushans or Turanic raiders for that sweet, sweet Homeworld nostalgia.

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so does the game have sufficient mechanics to make keeping large empires together a challenge?
because otherwise it seems like 50 years in everything will be part of yet another big blue blob

>Proceed to make a map which is centered around Europe, a complete wasteland of no actual importance in Classical antiquity when the world still revolved around the Middle Eastern empires and cultures, like Greece.
duhhh

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I kinda hope they add Nippon. Bronze/early iron age nippon would be a cool setting

Gonna claim Macedon as the best Successor, Lysimachus

well, so far I've seen Seleucids fall apart basically in every game, so it can be challenging.

I seriously doubt they will even add China. It was pushing it for CK2.

what about the other large kingdoms?
and are they scripted disintegrations or mechanical, because the former just give the illusion of large empire challenge

>just blob more bro
actually, they have a civil war system, if armies, other leaders and generals don't like you they will rebel

into the trash it goes

I wonder does the game have proper inflation system?
because it actually was a massive empire killer back in those days

>Republican Rome is famous for its internal politics
>Game called fucking IMPERATOR ROME throws it out the window to focus on epic PRVSSION MEMEBLOBBING but this time you can play as a Celtic tribe
>they even ditched the two consul system

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eh.... you can convert mana points (political points, military point etc) into shekels so that's a thing I guess

I'M READY TO PIRATE IT AND IT GORRILION DLC.

We don't know anything about that Nippon, mate.
Historical sources start with the Three Kingdoms (~200 CE) book which talks about a Chinese diplomat going there and getting a very basic tour.
Then nothing until 700CE when Japanese learned to write and made Nihon Shouki.

Nippon is simply not a thing at this time.
Oh, and Japan does not have any bronze age. The people who brought in metalworking and rice cultivation were already in iron age as it happened.

Why dont you just play one of the 100 grand strategie games that are out right now? What could a new one possibly add?

>100 grand strategy games
such as?

There will never be a strategy gem that captures internal politics because it's too small scale for most people.
An rpg set in late Republican Rome on the other hand....

I still have no idea how this game plays :D

>BTFOing roman legions with massed crossbow volleys

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Phrygia has some destabilizing events afaik. Mechanically your non titular culture pops will hate you if you expand so you have to convert some of them or convert your rulers to their culture (unique to Egypt so far).

Never heard of this game but I've been wanting to play a legit grand strategy game after years of Civ and Total War. What stands out about this game? Can anyone give me a rundown?

Invaded your neighbor until you running out of neighbor.

>What stands out about this game
Antique period everyone asked for for a long time

>failure of HOI3
Can someone elaborate?

yeah but how does it play compared to eu4

>not dating from the founding of your city.

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it will be shit until 4 years after release when they finally finish the game.
with 200 dollars of dlc

>no spiritus asper on "hellenismos"

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Sorry I don't even know much about the game mechanics itself. Is it pretty standard turn based type stuff? Manage resources, conquer territory, and engage in diplomacy? Is the level of complexity reasonably high?

the person in charge of dlc chocked on his boss' sweedish meatballs

It's literally EU4 antique edition.

What did they mean by this

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>What stands out?
You can play Border Painting Simulator 2019 in an era when borders didn't really exist and neither did map painting.

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More likely will be playing as a Bosporus kingdom or some shithole in tibet

Rome in early republican times? About time. I assume you're not playing a character since they voted new consuls all the time. Also you'd have a second consul as well to deal with.

I wanna play as the etruscans and cuck Rome and make a great etruscan empire. Or maybe play as a swedish tribe and force multiculturalism on europe before rome even expands.

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that's good to know, because EU4 is fucking terrible.

Can anyone recommend me a good way to learn more about Rome? YouTube or something audio preferred, I've read some Rome stuff, like Caesar's conquest of gaul.

Living in western North America makes this kinda lame desu

>conquering Athens as Melos

Thats some kino right there. Twisted thinking. I'll keep that one in mind.

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Paradox games only become good after 50 DLCs and major mods

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Mike Duncans "History of Rome" podcast. Covers from the founding to the death of Romulus augustulus in AD 476 iirc

>game is called Imperator: Rome
>game ends at 27 BCE, when Rome actually became an Empire
And you just know they're going to sell DLC to extend the timeline later on.
>$19.99 for the Principate
>$19.99 for the Dominate
>$19.99 to play as the Western Roman Empire
>$19.99 to play as the Eastern Roman Empire
>$19.99 to play after 476 CE- no, wait, it's going to be an entirely new $49.99 game!

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Sounds good
But I would prefer to go back and start 400-600 years earlier

>culture not turkish

I read "I, Claudius" will I enjoy this game?

"Imperator" just means commander or general, you dunce

>One Consul

Fixed

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it does use that because they are too retarded to make a counter go from bc to ad.

>this thread
Ah, I see, looks like /po/ already hates this game and shitpost about it because it realistically portrays germans as a barbarians who hate and want to destroy civilization

Game doesn't reach ad though
Try again

*sniffs*
>I dont think...
*slobs as grease stains roll down his shirt*
>...you will like our games...
*sneezes*
>...from now on, this a map painter (just ignore everything else).

>Not playing Messenia and enslaving all the Spartans

CAESAR. COMMITTED. WAR. CRIMES. IN. GAUL.

CAESAR. COMMITTED. GENOCIDE. ON. INNOCENTS.

CAESAR. KILLED. MILLIONS. TO. RULE. OVER. MILLIONS.

Should've made an authentic map desu

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M&T?
is that a EUIV mod?

Yeah, ancient people were scum. We know this. All pedophiles, slavers and murderers

ok johan

>Helots still seething

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Thank you for stating the patently obvious and sharing your mastery of Latin with us unenlightened plebeians.

Talk shit get hit, Celt niggers
He told you to turn back and you didn't. Did you think he was a man who wouldn't uphold his word?

Then why did you make such a shitty post about "lol it's called Imperator but takes place before the imperial period hahaha I'm so funny" ?

No I'll wait a few years for the subjugation-of-lesser-peoples-DLC

the real interesting thing is that if Vercingetorix had committed more war crimes, he would have won from Caesar

How can it be a crime if there is no law about it?

I think they've said something to the effect they don't want to add more start dates. The motivation being that almost no one uses later start dates in the other games. Knowing Johan we can still expect a lot of overpriced DLCs though.

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Explain.

>Be me, Caesar
>get awarded with two of the worst province in Italy, real shitholes
>whatever, let's make the best of it
>wake up one day to the wailing of some stinking gaul
>apparently the tribe to the north is getting enriched by 300k Helvetii "migrating" to Hispania
>be a good sport and help your allies
>As soon as the last Helvetii "refugee" is dealt with, another stinky gaul starts wailing
>apparently, this time another tribe is getting bullied by a germanic bull
>decide to help these fucks as well
>rince and repeat for ten years, with the occasional back stabbing gallic tribe decimating my legions
>get called a genocidal maniac years after the fact
>mfw that's what I get for helping some stinky Gauls

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Just pirate it bro

More like weeks ago.

He killed millions... to save billions....

Obviously. And the Russians are going to help me do it.

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The real reason is they knew the fucked up by adding the 700s start date in ck2, they could have made a dark age game and milked more money.

>Mana nonsense
>Balanced around a multiplayer mode that nobody will play
>Buying a Paradox GSG at launch
ISHYGDDT

During the siege of Avaricum Caesar was dangerously low on supplies, Vercingetorix had cut off his supply lines and his skirmishers were successful in preventing any sort of foraging

Had Vercingetorix ordered Avaricum burned down, Caesar would not have been able to continue his campaign and eventually when his army had mostly starved to death no amount of military genius could have saved the situation

And given Caesar's reason for invading Gaul was to escape debtors and imprisonment, a failure at this point would have had him exiled or even executed upon his return to Rome

oh and to add Vercingetorix was politically apt enough to realize the optimum outcome: let the Roman troops return without humiliating them and hand over Caesar to the Senate so Rome would not have a reason to avenge his honor, the whole Gaul campaign would have, by the Senate, been framed as one man's mad dreams

Who are you quoting?

So?
Who cares now

the man with the easiest job in existence.

paradox presented how the base game handles Alexander's legacy in the DDs. The pre-order bonus consists of cosmetics for a single diadoch-state and doesn't touch how the other ones deal with Alexander's legacy

Fuck mana and FUCK Johan.

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Thanks for reminding me to pirate

And why do you imagine that Caesar would've lost a battle with Vercingetorix if he was forced to retreat?

But user, the map is literally centered on Anatolia

>85% of people agree with his post
>lol you guise r gonna h8
can this man be any more retarded?

Can I play as Finnish tribes?

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>admitting that they're hacks who are ruining their games
>all those "respectfully disagree"s
I hate him.

Atilla DLC is a long way away, user.

What's worse for company bootlicking? The Paradox forums or the Bethesda forums?

Because there would not have been a battle in the traditional sense
Without the supplies of Avaricum Caesar would not have had the means to reach the next settlement intact. Vercingetorix could have just continued his strategy of skirmishing until the Romans started dropping dead from hunger and exhaustion
Then in this state he at one point just shows up in full force to demand their surrender. Caesar was a military genius but even he could not win with starving men barely capable of holding their weapons

It is because Caesar got the supplies from the city that he was able to force Vercingetorix into a direct confrontation which he then won decisively

Paradox milks its consumers, Bethesda straight up robs them and laughs at their faces. In terms of delusional ass kissing, Bethesda forums.

Terra incognita will periodically spawn invading barbarian hordes to threaten Rome. This arcady shit is needed because apparantly paradox cannot simulate playable factions to do this.

how did they manage to make the portraits worse than ck2?

people are worse now

I really like how Total War Attila handled it: barbarian factions were able to turn themselves into migratory hordes, move to a new area as a raiding army, then settle back
so you had those wasteland areas dynamically depopulating and repopulating

You can do the same here too though

He had enough food since he maintained the siege for a month, so he would've been able to retreat to Roman territory without issues.
Skirmishing tactics are successful when the enemy doesn't just take cities from you, if they do then you're fucked.

Mate, he argues about Vercingetorix's decision to not burn the city down prior to Caesar's arrival, as the gauls had planned iniitally.

That's the difference between a civilisation and some tribal barbarians. The latter sees cities as the pinnacle of their achivement and livelyhood.
Civilisations see them as nothing more than an asset which can be thrown to the grinder if it furthers your agenda.

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by the end of the siege he was less than a week away from starvation though it was an all-or-nothing push
and if he had been forced to withdraw he would have still been harassed the entire way reducing his speed significantly resulting in a large amount of casualties
and this loss would have strengthened Vercingetorix' position causing even more tribes to link up and eliminating the internal divisions which later on cost him the war while Caesar would be at a significant risk of the Senate forcefully ending his command

Right, and I'm arguing that he's wrong.
That was after a month of siege. If they burned the city down and didn't defend it, that would've left Caesar with a month of food to either attack somewhere else or retreat.
I think you're greatly overestimating Vercingetorix's tactical skill. The guy lost literally every encounter with Caesar.

>not picking Carthage and going straight for Rome
>inb4: salt

It was okay in CK2 since "muh vikings", but it makes no sense here.

>The guy lost every encounter with Caesar
He won at Gergovia.

>Modern historians know about swedish tribes
>Germans in that time frame were all the same, constantly migrated and raped each other burning every small village down
Yeah, I wonder

I stand corrected, he won one battle and lost all others.

mappainter.exe --module="rome"
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I'm just waiting for the medieval or post apocalyptic mod where Europe, north Africa, and the middle east is shattered to shit as well as more formable nations to add.

In the khanate dlc

who can forget such timeless ancient swedish achievements such as
>rape your neighbor
>burn you neighbor's hut
>eat snow
>rape your neighbor's cousin
Truly a beacon of civilization, Sven.

>tribal barbarians sees cities as the pinnacle of their achivement and livelyhood.
>Civilisations see cities as nothing more than an asset which can be thrown to the grinder
What? There were no gaul "cities" (except maybe one, I forget its name) before the romans came. Meanwhile, Romans defined themselves by their cities - literally, they saw cities as indeed the pinnacle of civilization. They're the ones who built all of them in those areas.

There was no "somewhere else" to attack, Vercingetorix was waging a very aggressive scorched earth campaign
And tactical skill doesn't matter because scorched earth is a STRATEGIC measure, it's literally independent from individual encounters
The fact that he realized he could not win through setpiece battles means he had a good strategic sense.

And retreat was not an option for Caesar as only thing preventing the senate from withdrawing his command and declaring the whole endeavor illegal was the fact he was winning. He comes back home in disgrace with half his troops and there's a good chance he's going in voluntary exile

also remember that when it comes to resources a siege is much less intensive than forced marches. He would have gone through his supplies much faster if he had to force his men to build encampments every night, and if he didn't he would open himself up to Vercingetorix' skirmishers

the impoerator board had some good criticisms, but of course they were all respectfully disagree-bombed

You can't scorch the entirety of Gaul.

You can indeed do the same, but it's an abandon old holdings type of thing. Most of the Germanic tribes plagueing Rome didn't just pack up and leave their old bogs wholesale unless they were actively driven off, like the Goths and Vandals famously did. You still have Saxons in Germany nowadays, not just England. You still have Franks in Germany too, not just France.

It was mostly bands of warriors led by young nobles just splitting off from the parent tribe to conquer parts of Rome and found a new one.

They could simulate this with instead of civil wars, ambitious tribal generals will just wander into Roman territory and try their luck, to return if they fail.

Gaul was at that time in the process of going from a tribal to a more settled society, it was this weird hybrid of roman-inspired cities surrounded by tribal lands

It's why conquering and holding it was actually possible as opposed to the much less civilized germany

Unironicly going straight to one of the German tribes to form my own Germany as apparently there isn't a formable Germany in base game

You can however scorch everything within reach of the Romans

Celtic empire including the galatians

It was meant more as a tongue in cheek reference to the numerous successful conquerors who would burn down lands about the size of half of Europe if it asssured them victory.

And how many tribes will accept having their homeland completely destroyed and turned into a migratory people without battle?

Germany was just a shit place to live compared to more southern regions like even france before the cooling, that's why german tribes kept pouring out of that area to find new places to settle. No point to settling those places, only thing you can really do there is go in with an army and kill all the germans to stop them harassing your border, but even the romans seemed to kind of think that was going a bit too far on the brutality, at least when there's no profit in it.

I hope CA adds fingols to Three Kingdoms. Fuck playing chinks, I'm a free man of the plains.

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Based and mongol pilled.

All of them, aside from the Bituriges had accepted
Remember the reason that Caesar was low on supplies was because he'd already burned down everything else
Also remember that up to this point Gaul had been on the receiving end of Caesar for a while, they knew what happened to tribes that resisted, they knew about his skill in battle and they knew how desperate things were

also when talking about war crimes
Vercingetorix could have also ordered all the grain and wells poisoned, at which point Caesar would be fucked

All of them in that area. You'd need a complete population removal everywhere Caesar went.

Will this game be released in a completely broken state and take months to patch it to a playable level but with still tons of important features missing, like every other Paradox release?

im sick of Paradox whaling policy

Sigh, what could have been...

It's going to be unplayable boring shit without mods.

most of the scorched earth was already completed by that point
had Caesar chosen to withdraw he would have needed to do so through scorched territory and if Vercingetorix had burned down Avaricum, then there is a good chance Caesar would not have risked going deeper into Gaul
Avaricum was not the first city he ordered burned down and everyone had already obliged with him because it was working

Why? Caesar held several Gaelic cities by that point.

>Gallic math

>Macedonia

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>gayreeks
youtube.com/watch?v=de9ze_U3vQc

nah, good try.

sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

>non-latins

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>no ireland, Orkney or germany
>estonia
wut.

>muh gaulocaust
fuck off Pierre, it's their fault for bombing Caesar's supply lines

>Tribes we know about thanks to archaeology and roman documents
>Niggers who couldn't live in one place for more than week without pillaging neighbor and running away

Shit, you're right, guess we can't talk about him anymore.
Thanks for telling me what I can and can't talk about, obvious college girl or dickless man.

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Man, people really are obsessed with genes, especially in those shithole areas. Genes had to come from somewhere anyway, be it a tribe or centuries of certain behaviour, perhaps they should focus on refining genes instead of claiming they are 20% some ancient irrelevant tribe that has been conquered and destroyed thousands of years ago.

we know more about Orkney in that time then we do fucking estonia.

see doesn't matter if you're descendants of someone who achieved something great if your country is a shithole and will forever be because you can't move past antiquity
fact of the matter is, greece is shit

Fuck Parakek
Actual promising grand strategy in development here

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The lack of two consuls is one of the major issues

Too bad it will get 1.0 release sometime in the 2030s, shortly before Bannerlord releases

>patreon jew
>promising
State of /pol/
Keep seething

nah the dev update it frequently, better than Parakek already
>can choose to donate or not
>b...but muh jew
The dev has to eat something you cunt, or you would rather support corporate hacks?

>The dev has to eat something you cunt,
Yeah, and he will eat something for longer if he work for game less
This is literally how patreon works, retard
Now stop shilling your garbage that wassn't updated for two months

who's a good paypiggie?

it's never coming out, it's like that space game but patreon

Meet Maghrebletics, my Mauretania locked ultimate ironman. After recently dominating the Mediterranean as the Carthaginians, I decided to up the ante to form my own empire from scratch. No advanced civilisation, no trading (only raiding), but this time I can't leave Mauretania. All leading up to eventually taking on one of the known world's biggest challenges, not getting annexed and assimilated by the Romans.

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>Yeah, and he will eat something for longer if he work for game less
Retard
>Work less, dev time stretching
>Less people support the game since it loses faith with customers
>No fucking Patreon bucks left

>wassn't updated for two months
literally just released a new version retard

not all crown fund game is a scam

>>Work less, dev time stretching
>>Less people support the game since it loses faith with customers
So person who shills for this garbage doesn't even know how patreon works

>locked
it's not landlocked dumbass

yes, but this one is