So if Valve flops do we just lose everything or what?

You do not own them. If you have them downloaded and they do not need online, your good.

But if you want to download a game after the service is down, you are shit out of luck.

Lol and they probably just won't even do it. If they're already bankrupt they can just say fuck it. Of course they say they'll do that now.

Bandwidth is practically free and dataservers are very cheap to maintain, the only real cost is the initial setup.
Get an ethernet cable and move data between two computers, now tell me how much had to pay for that transfer.

Steam will be sold to Chinks long before it closes down, and when the Chinks do close it down, yes, you're going to lose fucking everything.

Don't listen to faggots, or even Valve themselves, they're full of shit and have a proven track record of being anti-consumer and giving zero fucks about consumer rights and the reality is Gabe, and most of Valve as it is now won't be there when Steam shuts down and they'll have absolutely no control over Steams final days whatsoever.

>Lol and they probably just won't even do it.
Why not? What do they gain from having the DRM in the games?
Ever heard of reputation?

>Steam will be sold to Chinks long before it closes down, and when the Chinks do close it down
hurr let's buy steam only to shut it down

None of what you said has any modicum of truth behind it, Gabe is likely going to stay there until he dies.

Yes, they say that now for their reputation. What reputation do you have to uphold after you're fucking bankrupt? That alone has destroyed your reputation, and you don't even have a company anymore to have a reputation for. So they can easily not even do it, and they most likely won't.

This seems the most likely case

>No. They've said ages ago that if Valve ever goes bankrupt they will make a website you can download games from that you owned on Steam, using your Steam account credentials.

Show me a legal contract that ensures Steam is obligated to do exactly that or fuck off.

Billion dollar corporations are not your friend, taking their word for it is absolutely meaningless.

>Gabe is likely going to stay there until he dies.
Gabe will be lucky to live another 5 years.
Then what champ? Who do you think is going to buy Gabes chunk of Valve?
Chinks.

damn i guess epic games really are the future after all, gonna go shut down my steam account now

Checked that and he's 500 in the world and top 100 in America, pretty impressive desu

yes

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>Until he dies
Have you seen the guy? He's obviously extremely unhealthy even by burger standards.

>What reputation do you have to uphold after you're fucking bankrupt?
You can't be serious.

This! I'm giving Epic my social security number as we speak, you all shouldn't the same

>moving the goalpost this hard
I don't doubt Steam is going to be worse once he dies but I assume he will pass it on to someone he trusts.

He's also rich as fuck and will live until his 90's at the very least

gabe is going to be the first true transhuman

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>A company that isn't publicly traded, and is owned by one of the richest living humans, that runs a huge profit with minimal upkeep
>Selling out to a competitor
You're hilariously stupid

Yeah, thats DRM for you.
Even if what said is true (It isnt), if they flopped the bandwidth required to service the downloads of all of those fucking games would be absolutely massive and wouldnt be possible if they were flopping, plus every game that uses Steamworks features would be dead.

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You two can’t be this fucking stupid and blind? There is no way poeple actually believe this?!

Calvary is a ducking corporation you bootlicking cucks. Once they go under they won’t give a shit and pull the rug from underneath you cucks.

Good thing Valve isn't Microsoft.

We will see what happens with Epic Game Store when it shuts down, Valve will take notes of the results

sounds like something epic games would do to the epic games store and launcher to be honest

there are so many other services at this point it's moot, the games would be available in torrents, current games would still get updates they would just migrate over to other services most like. these days there are so many redundant systems and connections so fast that it doesn't matter.

>It isnt
epic argument!

Steam is fucking based

>Once they go under
When is this?

>400+ games I'll never finish, let alone play, just sitting there
It would kinda be a blessing in disguise.

if Steam was going to die somebody would buy it fast

Valve still has shareholders dumbass, and when Gabe, the majority shareholder either cashes out and retires, or fucking dies, it's going to be a fucking feeding frenzy and the only people on the planet with the capital required to buy into something that large are Chinks.

Steam will die with Gabe, it won't be sudden, but it will be horrific.

They will not do that, they dont have to do that and they wont be able to do that. Feel free to read the EULA.

You've got no evidence to the contrary, you retarded valve cuck.

Steam DRM will be removed through patches and the Publishers have to jump in. I mean Steam is still just a middleman.
Not that this scenario is likely in the slightest.

>So if Valve flops do we just lose everything or what?
I'll go back into pirating everything, the only reason people use Steam is convenience

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beat me to it, I for one welcome our new overlord GABeNOS

>They will not do that
Epic argument!

>valve cucks

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>Valve still has shareholders
What part of 'isn't publicly traded' eludes you? Or are you just being retarded on purpose?

Epic argument!

This is like an urban rumour at this point

Valve wouldn't have the legal course to allow direct downloads. All they sell are licenses to use the software that can be revoked at any time. If they offered direct downloads they would be demolished by legal teams

>It'll be fine guys
>Steam, who has historically never done the right thing will totally do the right thing out the kindness of their heart!
>And Steam will also team up with hundreds of Publishers who despite couldn't even be fucking bothered to patch and keep their games compatible will also totally do the right thing and dedicate resources to patching the DRM out of all of their games

People actually fucking believe this.

>valve cucks
shhhh dont use logic against valve cucks it only makes them angry

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>>And Steam will also team up with hundreds of Publishers who despite couldn't even be fucking bothered to patch and keep their games compatible will also totally do the right thing and dedicate resources to patching the DRM out of all of their games
never said that bruh
Why do you get mad, is this just console war shit for you? Publishers HAVE to find something since I bought their games.
And steam will most likely remove the DRM via a small patch.

Epic argument!

Stop fucking discussing things you have no fucking idea about you drooling fucktard.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privately_held_company
>A privately held company, private company, or close corporation is a business company owned either by non-governmental organizations or by a relatively small number of shareholders or company members which does not offer or trade its company stock (shares) to the general public on the stock market exchanges, but rather the company's stock is offered, owned and traded or exchanged privately or over-the-counter. More ambiguous terms for a privately held company are closely held corporation, unquoted company, and unlisted company.

Good old gaben always has our backs

>valve cucks

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Epic argument!

You're a fucking idiot, Valve still has shareholders.

>All they sell are licenses to use the software that can be revoked at any time.
Maybe in USA ToS are above the law, but EU forces companies to actually grant you the ownership of the SW products you buy.

Publishers sold me a game (through steam) and I still have that key if steam dies which I can hold against the Publisher and they will, at least in a country with consumer rights, give me my game in return.
I don't get what is so hard to understand.

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lol

>valve cucks

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always keep your games on a local HDD
if steam ever goes down, someone (probably gaben) will release a cracking tool to break through the DRM

I wouldn't count on them serving downloads of games though

the shareholders are the founders of the company, gabe and some other guy that still work there and own it

Epic argument!

>will release a cracking tool to break through the DRM
You mean swapping a steam.dll file in the game installation folder? It has been a thing for the past 15 years

>valve cucks

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>What is venture capital and early investors
Retard

Epic argument!

>valve cucks

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Link me to the Steam TOS where it says that.

based retard seething so bad he just repeats his post

Epic argument!

>valve cucks

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seething about what exactly? your fantasy scenario?
here's a scenario, you know literally anyone could just stab you at any given time, so why aren't you prepared for that?
it's as unlikely as the other scenario

retard

Epic argument!

I haven't seen a thread this embarrassing in a while.

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the other guy is doing the exact same thing, retard

>valve cucks
The scenario is real, you retarded faggot. Nothing lasts forever, no matter how it happens valve isnt going to be able to maintain steam until the sun burns out.
The idea that Valve has this "backup plan" of "if Valve ever goes bankrupt they will make a website you can download games from that you owned on Steam, using your Steam account credentials." is complete fantasy.
If they were going bankrupt, they wont be able to do it
They legally dont have to do it
They have never said they would do it
They dont have to do it

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First they are too pro consumer now they are anti consumer.

kek
they wont do shit, they have no such obligation by law or tos, and if they ever do it it’ll mean legal troubles with all the publishers that put shit on their store

why are steamdrones so delusional though?

Epic argument!

>Nothing lasts forever
Neither does your life. Why aren't you prepared for your death yet?
Anyone can stab you at any given time. Protect yourself already

Real talk. Epic store or not, Steam prints Valve so much fucking effortless money everyone here is going to die before they even consider closing it down.

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>Publishers HAVE to find something since I bought their games.

Ohohoho, to be this naive. How old are you, boy?

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>it’ll mean legal troubles with all the publishers that put shit on their store
quite the opposite dumbass, if they don't it's legal trouble from the publishers

>t. lives in a country without consumer rights
They would lose many millions fighting that in the islamic continent called europe

You bought the right to play the game

DON'T WORRY GUIZ GABEN WILL HACK DA GAMEZ 4 US

>No. They've said ages ago that if Valve ever goes bankrupt they will make a website you can download games from that you owned on Steam, using your Steam account credentials.
Wrong.

The only thing Valve have promised to do legally is fuck you.

store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#7

Topic 7, Section C of the Steam Subscriber Agreement.

C. NO GUARANTEES

TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, NEITHER VALVE NOR ITS AFFILIATES GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE CONTENT AND SERVICES, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS(S) OR ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN CONNECTION THEREWITH.

Topic 9, Section C

C. Termination by Valve

Valve may cancel your Account or any particular Subscription(s) at any time in the event that (a) Valve ceases providing such Subscriptions to similarly situated Subscribers generally,

>You bought the right to play the game
and the publisher has to provide that right. Not steam.

>valve cucks
Who says im not prepared? Im packing heat preventing me from getting stabbed.
Its hilarious that you actually think you can equate that to a company running out of money being able to maintain the current bandwidth they have when actually making money, despite the fact that when that COMPLETELY FALSE "website" goes live they'd need even more to service all the downloads.
Nobody downloads their entire fucking steam libraries because nobody believes Steam is going anywhere, if Steam was going somewhere everybody would download all that they could.
Think before you type, nigger.

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if they go bankrupt the last thing they’ll care about is your library
they have so much shitty third party drms that they cant magically remove all of them, for example all games with tages drm cant be played anymore and they didnt do shit

Spotted the american

Riddle me this then, when's Valve going under?
Also what about deaths that your heat won't protect you from? There are oh so many things that could kill a human that could happen at any time.

no, you pirate everything since steamworks drm is nothing
that's why you don't buy denuvo games, by the way

Valve isn't flopping in the next 10 years, and in that time you hopefully would have grown out of video games.

>I don't get what is so hard to understand
This is what legal tells you after explaining some convoluted reason why they can't deliver you the product.

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yeah ok but what if gabe dies before steam falls?
I trust gabe to do it but the other people at steam will screw us.

holy shit you’re super delusionak buddy, did you ever read the SSA? you know how many shitty drms had their servers shut down and neither steam nor the publisher itself did shit to simply patch the executable? they dont care if you bing bang wahoos disappear and have no legal obligation

hopefully
Steamcucks had it coming years ago!

>Growing out of vidya in 10 years
How old are you right now 40?

who are these epic falseflaggers?

I'm still waiting. When's it happening?

Once the Epic store launches, you are done for.
You are finished.

>PC Is dying
>said the nervous man for over a decade

too big to fail right guise?
if had to follow Yea Forums predictions fortnite would be stuck as a shitty pugb f2p clone, and instead here we are

>When is Valve going under
That legitimately doesnt matter, you retarded faggot. The whole point of the discussion is that is completely fucking wrong.
They can go under when a hypothetical competitor honors all Steam purchases on a new platform while giving players all the features they could ever want out of steam that Valve arent providing
They can go under when they accidentally install ransomware to every single users computer and get legally fucked
They can go under when ISIS decides games are the cause of the world problems and bomb a few data centres and Valves HQ
That is all legitimately irrelevant to the point, which is again since you're too fucking stupid to read
They will not be able to.
They legally dont have to.
They never said they would do it.
They arent going to do it.

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Admittedly a miscalculation but we have figured it out.
Gamers are dead. Target the devs.

>ooga booga the chinese
What makes you think Microsoft won't get there first? They stand to benefit a lot if they can buy Steam.

If they bought Steam, it will probably be their single default digital marketplace.

>That legitimately doesnt matter
Kinda does. If it doesn't happen in my lifetime, why should I care?

15 year Steam veteran, I'll defend Steam to the death and only buy games that Steam doesn't have.

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It's still a shitty pubg f2p clone.

theverge.com/2019/4/2/18292177/microsoft-ebooks-refund-stops-selling-digital-books-store
>Microsoft stops selling ebooks and will refund customers for previous purchases
Why did Microsoft refund the books? They didn't legally have to and never said they would do it before they shut down.

It's the other way around, pubg is a fortnite clone

Imagine being able to BTFO a faggot with nothing but two words

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>if the Steam service, that is a website where you can buy and download games, comes to fail, Steam will turn into a website where you can download games, except you just can't buy them anymore lol

Considering the emergency option is supposedly easily maintained, even though it is roughly the same as standard function, why would they flop? Or more like, could they even do it?

Still, if they do that, every company out there will sue whatever remains of Valve until they close altogether and can't provide this service anymore, and redirect consumers to their own services (Origin, uPlay...), for SOME of their games. All games with conflictual contracts that can't allow a rerelease of games on a different platform will disappear, all games from big publishers without a platform will disappear, all games from small publishers and independants will disappear.

Literally a video game shoah where 6 million games will vanish.

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Both are shitty games.
>epicshills now defend zoomershit of all things
lmao

t. sweeney

>If it doesn't happen in my lifetime
How the fuck are you stupid you missed the point AGAIN?
It can very well happen in your lifetime, you dumb faggot.
You'll be left with fucking nothing because, again, for the fucking fourth time now you illiterate fucking ape:
They will not be able to.
They legally dont have to.
They never said they would do it.
They arent going to do it.

Here's one for old times sake
>valve cucks

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The Chinese are getting so desperate, they have to resort to "what if" scenarios.

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may be, but Yea Forums said it was supposed to be another fail like paragon

>It can very well happen in your lifetime, you dumb faggot
Okay, and my town can get hit by a nuclear bomb. Should I head to the shelter now?

>They will not be able to.
yeah just like how they're not able to provide downloads right now
dumb fuck

No, clearly you should just download epic launcher because somehow this can't happen to you if you use chinese spyware :^)

EU regulations from years ago stated that all digital distribution platforms have to drop the 'you only rent the rights, you don't own this material' years ago, along with guaranteeing that a venue for extracting the material is made available in case of bankruptcy

Why not try google instead of being mad?

>Valve are making too much money they should give it back to developers
>Valve arent making enough money what if they shut down the servers

Which is it?

While I admire that guys taste he was a fucking idiot bringing it to public

What if china kills its own citizens
Oh wait...

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Yes. They are a faceless billion dollar company. You signed into a contract to "borrow" their games and now you realize you got fucked.

Valve is evil.

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Did Microsoft go bankrupt because their ebook store flopped?

I knew valve cucks were mentally slow but jesus fucking christ, this is like third grade reading comprehension you're clearly lacking
>So if Valve flops
How the fuck do you think they're gonna pay for the bandwidth if they're going bankrupt, you retarded cunt?
How the fuck do you think they're gonna pay for the bandwidth of not only current steam but EVERYBODY DOWNLOADING THEIR ENTIRE LIBRARIES AT ONCE on top of that, you utterly stupid mentally challenged cunt?

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Does it matter? There was absolutely no need for them to do anything.

>Why not try google instead of being mad?
Its too hard for him

>15 year Steam veteran, I'll defend Steam to the death and only buy games that Steam doesn't have.

Daily reminder that 15 years on Steam will rot your brain to the point where you can't even form a coherent sentence.

>I want Valve to die so people like this can flourish!

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>How the fuck do you think they're gonna pay for the bandwidth if they're going bankrupt?
so you mean to say that keeping a service up when it's declining is impossible?
considered that you could provide this BEFORE your funds hit 0? like as a way to get more users by removing the DRM?
you're more retarded than I thought, damn

>pay for the bandwidth
You mean paying for server upkeep, bandwidth is free.
Epic niggers out.

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>Meanwhile consoles no longer offer lots of their digital only games for sale and Europe does fucking nothing.

randy knows all about sub par games

>Steam, who has historically never done the right thing
I can't imagine how fucking retarded you have to be to post something like this.
Sure, laugh at all the failings that Valve have made, but at least they're trying to push gaming forward. They're the only company throwing money at ideas to see what sticks.
Everyone else is playing catch-up and refuse to do ANYTHING innovative.

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I want valve to die so drm cucks get fucked
they didnt

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>Epic gets a few shitty western games as exclusives
>OMG, STEAM WILL DIE!!!
It won't. At this point it has become one of those things too big too fail.

>EU regulations from years ago stated that all digital distribution platforms have to drop the 'you only rent the rights, you don't own this material' years ago
Ahahahahahaha

nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/reminder-wii-shop-closes-january-30-2019/

slashgear.com/some-playstation-3-game-servers-will-shut-down-in-january-2019-14553800/

Companies that continue to exist have a reputation to maintain. You can't just shaft consumers without consequences. Unless you go under. Then there is no reason to care.

>I can't imagine how fucking retarded you have to be to post something like this.
It took the Australian Government suing them to implement basic refunds.

Valve don't give a fuck about anything but profit.

Are you people actually retarded to think that Valve can "flop"?
Really? Is this how fucking desperate you are in your drama mongering? Do you have no shame at fucking all?

It looks more like he's scolding the class because a student used that mouse pad or pranked him with it

>Then there is no reason to care.
other than your future
you're too fixated on this sudden going under point anyway, you're conveniently forgetting the fact that valve would need years and years and years of operating at a loss before that point even happens

Why on earth would Valve flop? Use your fucking head and stop reading SJW "game journalist" articles. Epic will never ever surpass Origin, yet alone Valve. And Origin only sells 1 developer house titles.

>it takes regulations for people to start doing things
Wow! I never fucking knew.

>y-yeah, valve will you a drm free backup guise!
this is what you signed up for, valve sperglords, at the end of the day it's just another shitty drm client like epic shit or whatever

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Not only that, but they remove the Steam 'DRM' from the entire library. All 5-gazillion of their games.

>so you mean to say that keeping a service up when it's declining is impossible?
Yes, it is, you dumb faggot. This is simple economics that you're too fucking retarded to comprehend.
>considered that you could provide this BEFORE your funds hit 0?
How the fuck do you think they're going to be able to pay for not only this months costs, but the costs to handle all the traffic coming to download fucking millions of petabytes worth of data as soon as word comes up that A: Valve is going bankrupt and B: This site exists as a means to get all of your shit before they completely collapse.
If Valve started to go bankrupt today, you could fucking guarantee that toll on Valve servers would fucking quadruple every day at the fucking least, forcing them to pay more than they currently are which will bleed them dry before they hit 0 in a matter of fucking days.
> like as a way to get more users by removing the DRM?
MORE USERS = MORE DATA = MORE COSTS = A FULL NOSEDIVE TO $0
How the fuck could you post that and not realise how fucking stupid you are? Good fucking god
>bandwidth is free.
Absolutely retarded

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I never once argued they do shit out of the goodness of their heart, but to say they "Never get anything right", when they own the largest gaming platform and have the largest concurrent playerbase for multiplayer games is fucking retarded.
Steam machines, steam controller, big screen, streaming, workshop etc though are projects that have pretty niche use cases, but they're trying to build a good platform with their money instead of "a" platform.

If valve goes bankrupt all their goodwill will go out the window and they will do every trick they can to squeeze whatever they can out of the ashes

Damn, only one million dollars left! Guess we won't use it to try and salvage the company and instead keep our word and follow through on the website where everyone can download all the games that we told user about in his dreams.

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Dick move to fuck people over like that but surely the mac version and the pc version are the same purchase right?
Like if you buy it on steam from your mac and it stops working, surely you can log into your account on a pc and install the game
Right?

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>one game for mac fags is the same as many million libraries that cease to exist
the scope is what makes the difference

But brain interfacing doe

its okay if I lose my entire games library if it happens one at a time slowly enough

You'll most likely lose everything. But you can still pirate those games with a clean concience then.

>Yes, it is, you dumb faggot
Ah. So the exact moment when they lose a dollar on one day is the day Steam implodes and seizes to exist.
At last I truly see. that you're so, so fucking stupid
>How the fuck do you think they're going to be able to pay for not only this months costs, but the costs to handle all the traffic coming to download fucking millions of petabytes worth of data
With their billions of dollars?

>Guess we won't use it to try and salvage the company
Yeah exactly, by removing the DRM. Whoops, you played yourself.
The classic.

yes show me 5 games you lost in the whole time steam existed.
This is not the frog sitting in the slowly boiling water mate. This would be the frog thrown into it.

Anything can retard. When Blockbuster got huge before anyone ever thought of streaming or had the capability to, do you think people thought it would ever fail? There are probably better examples, but giant companies can and do fall. Just look at history. You'd have to be extremely ignorant not to accept that anything could happen to cause the company to fail.

so, let me get it, they cant offer to patch out a shitty drm for a single game but you believe they'll do it for all thousands of games?

No

>he thinks it is hard to get the steam DRM out
The solution was already postedd here

Remind me what Valve has done to "push gaming forward" because I've noticed fuck-all. Steam link is useless, ValveOS is a joke, their VR stuff is all stillborn, I could go on. I've been using steam for 14 fucking years and all they've managed to do is keep up with the times, they've never pushed the boundaries, no one ever goes "wow, Steam really has come a long way and exceeded my expectations" because they fucking haven't. There are tons of areas steam and especially Valve can improve in, but won't because they hire fuckmonkeys who have no interest in actually making things better, just in getting attention.

Everyone thought Origin was a joke when it started, too. The fact that you're saying it will never surpass Origin now when Epic actually owns one of the biggest games of all time is retarded, because they're starting out with much more promise than Origin ever did.

I disagree user and I stand by my original statement, they have NEVER done the right thing by the consumer.

From Steams very inception, something i'm sure you're too fucking young to remember, Valve have been fucked.

They FORCED people to use Steam for Half-Life 2, they REMOVED servers for games that had perfectly fine servers and FORCED people to use Steam to continue playing them online, products they'd already purchased.

Since Day fucking 1 Valve has been anti-consumer.

>they cant offer to patch out a shitty drm for a single game
Well yeah, it's hard to patch out DRM for some other company.

Just google it. It's not even about something being legal or not. Valve has tested the system. They did a live test where they switched all their servers to the back-up software that removes Steam's custom 'DRM' (it's not really DRM, but you get the idea) and made the game available without being linked to the storefront. They are ready for it already. Google, fucking epic shill.

>There are tons of areas steam and especially Valve can improve in
Such as? And in what way? Give some concrete examples.

Proton. Saving PC gaming from piracy. The Source engine, which is giving us great games to this very day. Some of the best games ever made.

you never owned anything in the first place, DRMcuck

does steam enforce a "no-third party drm" policy or do they require a drm free backup from publishers? no they dont
that's the point, they'll remove steam drm from their games (portal, half life etc.) but they cant do shit for all the others

>HURR DURRSDHDURRR $1 DOLLAR
Do you honestly not know what the term "bankruptcy" is, you fucking moron?
>Yeah exactly, by removing the DRM.
Not even in this fucking hypothetical which is the only mention at all of """valves"""" plan did they mention removing DRM.
If they removed all DRM from all future purchases, they'd get sued into fucking oblivion for breach of contract and for every dollar they got from that stunt $100 would go to the plaintiffs.
You are severly mentally challenged, i dont know what else i expected from a valve cuck.

how much does it cost them for each gigabyte of data they send out to their customers? I'm not the guy you've responded to but curious. could they just encrypt all the game files, distribute them as torrents and only send their customers the keys to decrypt them? I'm sure the community would help spread the files around

>a company has to be on the public market to be able to sell shares
Are you pretending to be retarded or just 6yo?

>does steam enforce a "no-third party drm" policy or do they require a drm free backup from publishers? no they dont
>moving the goalpost
Steam will get their DRM out
the rest is not their business and never was

why did you reply to me when your comment makes 0 sense as a reply to mine?
I simply asked if its the same purchase as the pc version so the game can be installed on a pc without rebuying it

Origin is still a joke. EA just publishes tons of titles. Although they have the 3rd best storefront because of their 30-day NQA no-playtime-limit return policy.

>but they cant do shit for all the others
my god are you fucking stupid on purpose? most games have no external drm outside of steam's
your metal gear did, and that's the end result

Show me the legal contract, because all I have that's legally binding is this...

And it states in no uncertain terms that Valve and the Publishers it works with don't owe you fucking shit.

n-nooo delete this one byte is like 6 billion dollars and valve is dead after I download one game!

Niggers on Yea Forums got tired of blaming white people, they can't go after their kike masters so they'll have to target the Chinese instead.

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>Epic actually owns one of the biggest games of all time
Gacha shit doesn't count as real games. They come in go by the month. Fortnite will be remember about the same as Angry Birds. Big for its time, made lots of money, but didn't actually contribute anything to gaming and won't be played years for now for nostalgia. It's just a flicker in the industry, like all gacha games.

Reminder that this is the fate for all games with denuvo too, yet people will still defend it

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No one has more shares than the founders fucking moron. Yeah as if they sold off control for a fucking startup investment. Jesus

The kike mods have banned me multiple times for racism whilst ignoring everyone else, but I've got an ace up my sleeve.

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turn da drm machine off guiz

Fortnite is a piece of faggot shit but this is a pretty big cope my man

>most games have no external drm outside of steam's
denuvo, securom, tages, arxan, rss etc.

>on chrome

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Are you stupid as well? Denuvo has already been removed on multiple occasions by either pirates or the fucking devs themselves

Not him, but you have no idea what gacha means.

Fuck the chinks
Fuck niggers
Fuck the jews

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>most games
Did you even read my post?

It's for everyone to use. Chrome has the largest market share at the moment.

"s-s-show me the legal .."

Oh, just fuck off. Valve has more money than have the countries on the planet. They're doing just fine and if you think Epic will other uproot them, you're insane. It's been a year and Epic has resorted to fighting dirty and Valve STILL hasn't even flinched. Not so much as a press release. Because they know Epic isn't going to do shit. The only people saying otherwise are anti-corporate hippies (the irony is tangible) and epic shills.

>how much does it cost them for each gigabyte of data they send out to their customers?
Considering Steam operates globally and has 130 data centres dishing out a fucking absurd amount of data per day, it is easily an amount they would not be able to upkeep.
>could they just encrypt all the game files, distribute them as torrents and only send their customers the keys to decrypt them?
They'd get sued out the fucking ass for breaching the contract every publisher they distribute a game of considering that one key can decrypt the game for all downloaders.

>using chrome

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>Fuck niggers
>Fuck the jews
based and redpilled
>Fuck the chinks
cringe and bluepilled

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Based

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>mfw most fags don't even have enough memory to store the games they "own"

>it is easily an amount they would not be able to upkeep
yeah one byte is so much
brb gonna download a game and bankrupt steam real quick

>its okay if I lose my game because I can just pirate it
Most devs havent removed denuvo and they wont for old games, especially when they can sell you those games again as a hd 8k version in the future, and considering the state of the video game industry do you really think they wouldnt do that?

the vast majority of denuvo games havent had denuvo removed

Download this while you're at it

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Dude the DRM isn't the same in all of the games lmfao. For example, Valve games may have some kind of DRM they can shut off, but it's not going to do jack shit against games with Denuvo.

>food analogy

See a clown has already come to defend his DRM overlord

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most relevant games have 3rd party drms
>b-but the billions of muh shitty indies
I dont care about poop in my soup or PewDiePie: Legend of the Brofist

>this is the fate for all games with denuvo
Well you already lost. Also you can still play the games, unlike the Metal Gear

Epic argument!

>So if Valve flops do we just lose everything or what?
You're fucked.
Valve themselves say you're fucked and they don't have any legal responsibility to provide you with anything in the event that they shut down.
Anyone who says otherwise is literally lying.

Who honestly cares what a faggot frogposter thinks, surely not me.

Metal gear got cracked you retard

wow it's almost like... nobody has claimed that... ever...
woah...

>most relevant games have 3rd party drms
nope. denuvo is in 119 games and that's the only 3rd party drm that even counts

Link it faggot, prove it or fuck off.

epic troll based redditor, although its more work for you when all the janitors do is click a link next to the post to reqiest a ban. But keep thinking you're actually accomplishing anything but making yourself frustrated :*

You can emulate the ps3 version of metal gear rising so according to your epic arguement
>ill just pirate it if the devs take it off me so its acceptable for them to take it away
Then theres no problem with them taking metal gear then? since I can just pirate the ps3 version and play it on a mac

>wow it's almost like... nobody has claimed that... ever...

It's been said by some retard(s) in this thread multiple times, probably even you lol

imagine just for a second living life being this naive

How do you retards worry about this shit? Even if Valve goes bankrupt obviously SOMEONE is going to buy Steam and regardless of their potential legal obligations Valve isn't going to just wipe all their servers and give everyone the middle finger as walk off into the bankrupt sunset.

I hate you all, I really want to stop having this thread.

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If valve goes bankrupt the first thing they'd do is consolidate their expenses which means no more renting servers to host Steam from. No servers to authenticate from means all your steamworks drm games will be useless.

fuck you, dickhead

The argument isn't if you can never play it again. Everyone knows you can pirate any game you want right now. The thing is some retard thinks they're going to make a website where you can "officially" download the games that you bought even though your bankrupt, and will "shut off" the drm for all the games LOL. Man that sounds so fucking ridiculous when I type it out.

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It's more effort for them due to my sheer autism-induced willpower, so at worst they'll just remove the post rather than ban me. I'd like to see them try.

What do you use? I've been interested in something that doesn't use so much memory.

>inb4 Firefox

point out one then

>Then theres no problem with them taking metal gear then?
well given that I never even claimed anything otherwise, why not

oh you still believe a company goes bankrupt in one millisecond completely out of nowhere? good for you man

I'm calling 2036

Yeah I agree user
but the user I replyied to was making the point that it doesnt matter if you lose the game because of piracy

his original arguement was
>Are you stupid as well? Denuvo has already been removed on multiple occasions by either pirates or the fucking devs themselves
>Denuvo has already been removed on multiple occasions by pirates

I agree that piracy isnt a legit arguement for it being okay to lose your games, but the user I replied to doesnt

Why not?

Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft have done exactly that with previous generations of console, as has every PC store that's shut down.

"Sorry, we're not longer offering downloads of the games you bought, have a nice day and go fuck yourself"

What's wrong with firefox? They're for sustainability and equal rights. Anything is better than chrome.

>if Valve ever goes bankrupt they will make a website you can download games from that you owned on Steam, using your Steam account credentials.
I want you to reread what you just typed very carefully and I want you to think about what you just typed just as carefully.

>Well you already lost. Also you can still play the games, unlike the Metal Gear
>>Then theres no problem with them taking metal gear then?
>well given that I never even claimed anything otherwise, why not

hmm those responces seem contradictory

no, my original point was to illustrate that denuvo isn't something you can't remove

don't know what he uses but Opera

And the point you posted that as a reply to said that the fate of denuvo games would be the same as metal gear, which considering both can be played on pc via piracy but had the offical versions rendered unplayable via broken drm, then the fates of them are exactly the same

didn't really say it was a problem, i couldn't really give less fucks because i don't buy bankrupt drm games on mac
the game isn't even taken away, it just doesn't work on mac. i can't say a game was taken away if my laptop from last decade doesn't run it

>point one out

the one I was quoting?
and your ZOMG 1 MILLISECOND argument has already been proven as bullshit as well:
just kill yourself my man

>ignoring the fact that food, unlike a game, is legally supposed to meet a standard of quality before it is sold

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>but had the offical versions rendered unplayable via broken drm
So this has happened with Denuvo every time the devs removed it? Or do games with Denuvo not work anymore?
Or what are you exactly trying to say here?

Seems like the same shit as chrome to me

>bruh the game isnt taken it's just that it gives an error upon launch

They actually removed it.

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>Threads critically to the Epic game store get deleted
How much for one night, mods, ya dirty little girls?

it's a moot point to speculate about this, since they aren't going under any time soon

Nothing will happen because the moment Valve go bankrupt everyone is going to jump on the corpse to get that userbase and data.

Posts defending the regular Chinese people are deleted for racism, it's a two way street. Fortunately this thread has remained mostly untouched.

>let's boot this modern AAA game on my win95
>oh wtf it doesn't start game taken away fuck corporations i'm a communist now praise marx

Out of alllll the games on steam there are a lot of games, mostly popular, that use some form of DRM that steam can't suddenly shut off if they were to hypothetically go bankrupt. And there will be more games in the future that use other forms of DRM that they can't switch off like a light switch.

I hope you're right

I just realized how much I've grown as a person because, for the first time, I did not feel nervous when thinking about the possibility of losing my Steam games. I only play TF2 and maybe some other games here and there. I have bigger things in my life nowadays. A couple of years back, my video games were practically my whole life.

yeah
but that'll probably never happen
>b-but what if gabe is kill??
his son takes over and probably overhauls the company and makes it less of a disorganised mess, steam carries on as per usual
>b-but what if chinese/microsoft/whatever buyout
won't happen

>31 games with denuvo removed
>119 games that have denuvo still in
>some of those 119 games are from 2014
If you think devs are going to be in a rush to patch games from 2014 to remove denuvo you're deluded, they will just make a new version without denuvo avaliable when denuvo is gone and make you pay for it again

You're comparing Apples to Oranges. At some point in time servers for old products have to be shut down. It's hilarious when they don't, like how the Space Jam website is still active. The console stores, from the major companies, all lasted a while and were shut down after a good amount of time after the products life has passed. Steam is a PC market place, which is an evolving platform. There's no current plan at Valve to shut down the Steam servers. If Valve goes bankrupt, whoever buys the Steam service is almost certain to not shut them down either.

Difference is you bought digital console games knowing the Wii Store or whatever probably won't be running in 15 years. Unless Valve and whoever buys Steam eventually really do some funky stuff, the games on Steam are going to be available for as long as people have a financial investment in the Steam service. So more than likely for at least the rest of your life.

It's just not a practical thing to be worried about. The alternative is hoard physical media or pirate everything to keep your own personal backups running and hope the files never get corrupted after they stop becoming available online.

The regulation affects digital software on PC, not consoles.

And they can't fucking afford to pay for the traffic that a website where everyone can directly download all the games (which many will have drm still) would require when they're going bankrupt or ARE fucking BANKRUPT.

some faggot rangebanned me yesterday because of some other faggot

>that use some form of DRM that steam can't suddenly shut off
Such as? Do name those non-denuvo games.

>we moved to a literal what if scenario because shills are this desperate
lmao, keep coping

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The benefit of living in the suburbs of a large metropolitan area is that millions of people will be affected by a range ban, and that's a risk to ad revenue that Hiro can't take.

>estimated 4.3 billion in revenue in 2017
>w-what if they flop
I assume they follow the nintendo strategy that will let them float for 50+ years even if they don't make a cent.

Yeah, this is why you buy it on gog and make a copy of it on a hard drive for safe keeping.

This DRM isnt on steam games but Universal windows platform is a DRM that is much worse than denuvo

>they will just make a new version without denuvo avaliable when denuvo is gone and make you pay for it again
I guess if you say so. Wtf I love fearmongering now

You can try searching for info on Razer digital shop closing and what arrangements they made, I cba to do it myself

Damn, this thread didn't go the way OP wanted it. I wonder how much Social Credit Winnie the Pooh's gonna take for that?

>Universal windows platform is a DRM
Oh, so now Steam has to remove Windows?
Actually they're trying to do just that. Google Steam Proton

Nintendo doesnt cost an absurd amount of money each month to keep running, though.

pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_List_of_3rd_Party_DRM_on_Steam

Next time I won't be googling something for you that you can easily do yourself, faggot.

Also, keep in mind that more types of DRM may be introduced in the future before Steam HYPOTHETICALLY shuts down.

no one is going to let Steam die, not even the braintrusts at Epic
if Steam goes under, THE flagship digital distributor that paved the way for this delivery format, and everyone lost their games, digital would fucking vanish overnight because the loss of trust
no one would buy digital because of fear of their new program going under and losing their games all over again
more likely would be Steam being acquired by some other company and then slowly phase out new releases in favor of their own store

Bulletstorm did it when their drm broke
Dark souls removed the original version of the game from sale in order to make the remaster the only one for sale
and skyrim (this one isnt related to drm but still a similar issue of being forced to buy the new more expensive version) has tried to hide the dlc for its base version making its purchase less disirable than the special edition

The thought of Steam closing down is a genuine concern not because Steam will close down, which is an extremely unlikely scenario, but the catastrophic consequences that will happen if it does. If anything the thread is pro-Steam as it encourages users to keep Steam alive by invoking discussion on the consequences of Steam shutting down.

I don't care about this either, if I'll feel like playing I'll just buy some new games

>valve
>flop
China nuking the US is more likely

>vast majority are uplay or ea account related
>hardware drm is all from years ago and/or already dead/removed
Woah. And this is how many games, again?

>This DRM isnt on steam games
>Oh, so now Steam has to remove Windows?
Learn to read

>Universal windows platform is a DRM
yes it is, its the drm that you get if you buy from the shitty microsoft store and its much worse than denuvo

youtube.com/watch?v=avwLrOBOxS4

Gabe will fully map his brain though valves brain interfacing technology and become the first ever true AI before he dies.

>its the drm that you get if you buy from the shitty microsoft store
okay but what on earth does this have to do with steam

>it's too big to fail
What does it feel like to be this stupid?
I'm really interested if people who can think that feel less pain due to mental insufficiencies.

Only if you mention that feudalistic state which worshipped it's emperor a a literal god.
Or that leftist communist uprising that protested against the party, whose leadership was taken over by the pro-capitalist faction who introduced pro-capitalist reform making China the capitalist nation it is today. You'd think the West would actually welcome it's crackdown, but evidently they feared competition more than ideology.

/thread

117 big titles lel

No you just pirate everything you lost

>Gabe will be lucky to live another 5 years.
I'll give him 2

Yes, we lose everything. But it is impossible for Valve to just disappear like that. At worst--and it's an entirely unrealistic scenario--it will be bought out by a more successful competitor, sold games, userbase, licenses and everything.

?

over the course of 5 years?
do you know how many ''big'' releases there are yearly? even if this ''big title'' discussion wasn't moving the goalposts

guys they're going to make a website where you can download the games that you bought even though they're bankrupt, and will shut off da drm for all games

>okay but what on earth does this have to do with steam
>This DRM isnt on steam games
Learn to read

I can't wait for all the complaining when that Library update gets deployed this summer. It basically looks like Big Picture adapted for the actual client.

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Could be hard written into his will and already legally backed

>dat feel when some people actually organize their libraries into categories

this isn't relevant to the topic at hand

>nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/reminder-wii-shop-closes-january-30-2019/
>slashgear.com/some-playstation-3-game-servers-will-shut-down-in-january-2019-14553800/

Both companies have happily cut off access to peoples digital copies of games.

There is absolutely nothing stopping Steam from doing the exact same thing and faggots screeching that there are laws in place to stop companies doing exactly that are full of shit, because it's happened and continues to happen.

>When your UI/UX designers escape their tard wranglers

Valve the company may not be, but Steam is because of what it would mean for digital distribution as a whole if it suddenly vanished taking millions of people's games, purchased over the course of a decade and a half, with it

look man, all the new big titles that people actually give a fuck about are having DRM like Denuvo, so it seems to be a trend that more and more games will be having it in the future. Who cares the amount that are right now, it's all mostly games that people actually want to play and not some bullshit hentai game made in rpg maker some fag threw up on the steam store. So yeah, the point is the big games people will actually want to play again in the future seem to be adding other forms of DRM so there will be more.

Valve has no legal obligation to continue the service. You can't sue them if they shut down tomorrow and take away your games.
It may trigger changes in laws down the line, but all those games will be gone in this hypothetical scenario.

I'm pretty sure the UI for Steam was better a decade ago but I might be remembering incorrectly.

It's all fine and well that they say that, but I'll bet dollars against dimes that none of the big publishers will allow their games to be distributed in a DRM-stripped version no matter how old they are.

You're not, it gets worse with every update.

Just like that recent time where Microsoft closed down their digital books service and confiscated everyone's library and gave them refunds?

I've stayed in offline mode since July to avoid that August UI cancer update.

why would they shut down

>W-worse with every update!
For morons like you who don't know how to use it.

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List view in icon mode looks exactly the same as old green steam, it's your imagination.

I'm sure a company that will no longer exist to do business with the eu will give a shit about following an irrelevant eu law

That's the hypothetical. There could be a number of reasons.
Let's say every developer end up selling from their own site in 10 years because it becomes very easy and cheap to do. An unlikely scenario, but a possible one.
Then Steam has no new games to sell and eventually server costs outweigh income and they have to close.

Yeah dude just like people lost all the games they bought on origen, uplay, gog, etc.

Same goes for epic no? Or any other game store.

>Calvary

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The developers have already been paid, please stop thinking the profits on sales go to them.

This. I love steam and will always support it with my rubels.

are you upset?

>That's the hypothetical
Guys what if the Earth suddenly explodes and you lose all of your Epic Game Store games?! What then, huh? Epic BTFO!

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I mailed a game developer with an old game receipt and they sent sent a link for me to download the game from their website.

Notch might be able to buy it

>this overly aggressive epic shilling of late
>mfw still not gonna use their shitty launcher/service
>mfw slowly migrating to GOG

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>buy out the competition then gut it to promote your own product
Yeah That's never happened before, what a stupid fucking idea right?

People don't have thousands of dollars and terabytes of games tied to Epic and it wouldn't matter if they died.
If valve goes under games people have collected over a decade would be gone.
The problem is there is no protection against it because it's just a service and you don't own anything.
This isn't about the specific store it's about a lack of legal protection and lack of ownership.
And it's most likely that the legal protection will only come after a big crash that demonstrates the need for it.

I'll probably just pirate all my games.

>People don't have thousands of dollars and terabytes of games tied to Epic
Because Epic doesn't have any games.

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They're only the biggest because they didn't billions pain any threat to their monopoly out of the business.

What even is Warframe? I consistently see it near the top of most played, and it's free. What's the catch?

Pale Moon.

It's an extremely grindy MMO, I honestly have no idea what people see in it.

>half the websites don't work
>zero extension compatibility
>dev just insults critics instead of fixing shit

Nigger, I don't care if the page not rendering properly is the site's fault, it works in every other browser.

>one key can decrypt the game for all downloaders.
not necessarily, it could be that the person torrenting decrypts and re-encrypts for the person downloading who has their own key

every update makes pale moon worse, fuck that shitty browser

PSO but with double-jumping and much faster action.

>Steam closes amd and i get 3000 dollars randomly one day
I wouldn't even be mad desu. I only play a fraction of my owned games anyway

I can't see steam refunding billions desu, after all valve is just steam and a few videogames and microsoft is so much more

>chang hopes for valve to flop
keep it up zoomer any day now

*blocks your path*
Not so fast valvecucks

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Epic shills are getting desperate because the shilling is not working.

Steam closing down won’t happen. It will be sold to someone who fucks the service up so bad you’ll be begging them to just shut it down.

Gaben's son will save us from the Triads.

still fat
you would think that someone like him would hire a personal trainer to make him fit as fuck

>half the websites don't work
Such as?

>zero extension compatibility
I honestly don't know what extensions you need, but the ususal suspects are there.

>>dev just insults critics instead of fixing shit
Proofs?

I haven't noticed anything egregiou in the year I've been using it.

>gabe is going to sell
>there aren't 100's of ppl already lined up to take over and continue

Just modify some settings in about:config to make the session snapshots more infrequent. Not sure why people mind FF using 1.5GB (at least with 200+ open tabs) though, 16GB is the minimum you should be using even if you don't have a 8GB GPU and a browser is the main interface with the internet. Even with a demanding game running it never uses more than 10GB RAM and that's a worst case scenario for even the most badly coded or demanding game.

Opera is Chinese gov spyware since 2016 though. I would migrate your bookmarks and passwords over to another browser immediately if I were you.

do people actually use the epic game launcher? for what purpose? do you play fortnite? some FOTW shit like the division 2? like, what is the actual personal appeal of having a launcher laden with chinese spyware on your computer? there are barely any games worth getting and there are no user reviews, no forums, no discussion, and no workshop. I'm in awe that anyone actually has it installed on their computer. i dont have any real complaints about steam. it gives me what i want: niche games that i like and AAA games that i like, and it lets me filter out the shitty hentai with a few clicks. the forum is a lifesaver, and their refund system has never failed me. sure, there's probably some third party info sharing. who gives a fuck? it's unobtrusive and doesnt affect performance. i am frankly shocked that anyone would even consider the epic games launcher anything close to competition, no matter how many games their bought out for exclusivity. /rant

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Valve has some more games up its sleeves, hopefully they won't be as niche and poorly thought out at as shartifact

I will continue to cum, regardless.

underage fucking pricks who play fortnite on PC use epic launcher nobody else
maybe a couple normies who bought metro exodus and never touched that pile of shit ever again after their playthrough

Valve is a crazy profitable company. If Valve goes under, the video game industry as a whole is well and truly fucked. I am quite confident that Steam will outlive me.
Also Valve's plan has always been to let you download all your games without Valve's DRM after they go under.

i swear, it's going to die out in less than 6 months. i see no sustainable business planning for it AT ALL. it is devoid of both content and convenience.

I'm waiting for epic to kill off all it's fortnite players.

I was thinking of going back to FF for privacy, but I liked how Opera brought all the innovations

the fun part is that their "exclusives" are all going to be available on Steam again after some time period
what's the fucking point ? To gain some customers over a period of time and then realise that they all move back to Steam?
Tim Sweeny is such a deluded pedo it boggles my mind. Without Tencent china backing him and giving money for such moves he would never fucking dare to do it himself. Never.

>Valve deletes Steam and all your games with it
>nobody trusts them ever again

BUT THEY TECHNICALLY COULD

Actually initial sales are usually the most substantial so they are banking on that.

they aren't banking on fuck all. They are wasting money in hope to keep customers / active users since they already in red for buying out exclusivity and benefitting the devs.

I should say the publisher. Since the fucking devs don't see a penny anyways. Even their cut is a fucking joke and lie.

Why would he even care about being "fit as fuck"? He probably enjoy lives to the fullest, with the only downside being health.

That's all fine and dandy, but Opera is Chinese gov spyware incarnate now. The best thing you can do is migrate to FF or Chrome immediately and change all your essential passwords tout de suite. And don't forget to remove it completely, and good luck because removing it completely isn't that easy. Or format and re-install if you want to be completely sure.

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That could happen, but not even remotely as likely as the situation we're talking about, which is if some day another service puts steam out of business. They're not going to make a website where you can download all the games without drm.

I imagine Microsoft or Facebook would buy them.

worst case scenario I lose my games long after I've stopped playing them and get $5000 randomly some day

if another company displaces steam then it's not that bad compared to if steam goes kaput now and there's little no other good alternative, even if we got keys for every game we own there's no store that distributes nearly as many games, right now the closest thing is origin and they mostly only have 3rd party shit like FFXV and assassin's creed.

Valve will flop after you're already dead.

yikes epic shills are fucking retarded

>there are no user reviews, no forums, no discussion, and no workshop
Why do people pretend like any of these are the reasons people use launchers? Oh yes I downloaded Steam because I wanted to use the forums, I'd totally switch to Epic if Steam didn't have forums and Epic did! 90% of people literally only care about games, the other 10% cares about stuff like regional pricing or DRM, maybe friend stuff as well if they're playing multiplayer games