When did you realize Bloodborne is From Software magnus opus?

threads that open with images like these should be deleted on sight.

>takes more risks
There with the sōy phrases again

t. hungry amerilard

Bloodborne and Demon's Souls are their best games, whenever they team up with Japan Studio they make undisputed kino

BBcucks are so butthurt all the time
Why is that?

Sekiro ultimately feels bland and underwhelming by the end of the game. The first portion of the game, when you're cutting your teeth on the new combat system, is by far the best part of the game. Once you break through that, you're treated to boring areas, enemies, bosses, music, etc. Sekiro did take risks in its uncompromising combat, and they deserve kudos... but if anything the rest of the game is risk averse and by-the-numbers.

Came here to agree with you.

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Bloodborne is the ultimate söy game though
>epic 1800's euro setting, basically one step away from steam-punk
>Lovecraft references, reddit's favourite author
>lots of epic gore, so metal!

>60fps with top tier aesthetics
>vs
>27fps with overused gothic themes and chromatic aberration
gee I wonder witch one is better

Nowhere near as risk-averse as Bloodborne, which also has a far more underwhelming second half than Sekiro

Spot the pçucks

>the old hunters
>underwhelming

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Reddit hates Lovecraft because he was an autistic racist and they couldn't stomach having a mirror held up

I have been told repeatedly that 30fps is literally unplayable. Why does Bloodborne get a pass?

Tell you when I realised you purchased a PS4 but not a PS3 or a PC, tho.
When I read your post.

No I've actually played through Bloodborne. I liked it but think it's grossly overrated

food analogy

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quality over mere r/masterrace numbers

its got pretty graphics

The second half of base game is undeniably disappointing

F O O D A N A L O G Y

Thats one good half it has over Sekiro. The entirety of Sekiro is underwhelming in almost every respect with learning the combat being the only interesting aspect.

bloodborne wishes it was 30 fps
it barely hodls 27

Literally the opposite, Sekiro's worst part is the linear trail to Ashina castle. It's so bad the developers let you tackle a separate area to change up the pace. Once you reach the castle, the game improves drastically with new enemy types around every corner, branching paths, and great bosses. Hell, most minibosses by this point make Ludwig and Laurence look like jokes

do you faggots realize how pathetic you look when you always just talk about what is sôý and what isn't

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there's literally nothing wrong with a food analogy you meme spouting fucks

So is life

Imagine looking at a screen and all you see is food

Is there a more pathetic fanbase than Bloodborne?

They're STILL seething over Witcher 3 absolutely curbstomping them

>bloodborne good
>when Chalice Dungeon exists

Youtube doesn’t count.

Why is fotm the reddit icon? You guys fall for fotm garbage all the time. Just look at the catalogue.

stop being s󠛡oy then

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But Sekino is From's best game according to the Miyazaki cocksucker known as epic name bro.
He can't be wrong about that.

Man bloodborne fans really love to cling any sort of relevance they can even though it's mostly faded. It's just sad.

I'm not talking about the level design, that is shit throughout, I'm talking about the game as an experience.

CDs are the closest to a Roguelike Souls we have.

>Is there a more pathetic fanbase than Bloodborne?
these guys

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>replies with meme
case in point

IMAGINE BEING AT COMPUTERS

Based and s󠛡oypilled

Sekiro is an objectively better game because it has objectively better gameplay. It really is that simple and there’s really no room for debate here.

Do Amerilards really treat their meat and bread glorified sandwiches like an exquisite cuisine

nice thumbnail faggot

>Hell, most minibosses by this point make Ludwig and Laurence look like jokes

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> block to win
> better gameplay than anything
lmaooo

Level design is literally Dark Souls 1, branching, intertwining paths. Also you're still wrong because as an experience it continously challenges you

>snoyboys out in force again

Level design in Sekiro is way better than Bloodborne
And what is there to really experience in Bloodborne? The same cheesy gothic setting the entire game? There is no variety there. Sekiro feels like an actual adventure

RENT FREE

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>1 viable weapon
>1 build dex
>1 boring setting
>magnus opus when Dark Souls 2 exist

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>new fromsoft soulslike releases
>bb autists come out from woodwork "HEY REMEMBER BLOODBORNE ITS BETTER THAN SEKIRO"

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Nice pink background, fagoli.

>burger music plays

>Witcher 3

What relevance does a cinematic experience have? We're talking about games here, not movies.

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I wanna fuck the reddit alien ngl

>200IQ
>buying a Snoystation 4
lmao

>MUH BUILDS
>when you're still either dodging or pressing L1 at the same time as all other builds

Level design in Bloodborne is way better than Sekiro

And what is there to really experience in Sekiro? The same cheesy jap pagoda setting the entire game? There is no variety there. Bloodborne feels like an actual adventure

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Samey corridors same bosses, random chance to get shit loot. I want to play Souls game for challenge, not grind for hours just to complete optimal blood gem builds

>Imagine being so fat you look at video games and see food

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Dude like, instead of just dodging and attacking you can now dodge OR jump then attack, it adds so much depth and strategy hahaha. Look man, you can like souls more than sekiro and thats COMPLETELY fine! :DD MY opinion however is that Sekiro is a better game.

>Level design in Sekiro is way better than Bloodborne
Gay pagodas aren’t good level design

>confusing level design with art design
Based retard

Wow you really proved me wrong. All of those are essentially the same setting

>Square patties
What is this

Your opinion is wrong

See this

You forgot to add how amazing the stealth is.
He also considers Horizon to have the best stealth implementation in a game.

>Solitary PS exclusive along with Demon's Soul
>Coincidentally both are always shilled as the best purest souls game.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Totally a coincidence. And had DS1 not gone multiplat it would have been considered part of the trilogy of the best souls games.

Every shitkiro level is a gay little pagoda lmao. Even the so-called "kino" fountainhead palace built up for the entire game... just more gay cherry blossoms and pagodas LMAO

Suckiro “level design” is just a straight line.

See

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user, it's the opinion of this guy.

Only for starting area, which is the worst part as well. It has loops around after Ashina castle

OH I UNDERSTAND WHICH ONE TO HATE THE ONE WITH REDDIT AND THE ONE WITH 200 IQ I HAVE TO LIKE OR IM REDDIT WOW BROS HOW INCREDIBLE WHAT A MEME

Bloodborne is my favourite game ever but I find these threads embarrassing. Why does it matter that some people might prefer Sekiro?

Linearity doesn't intrinsically make for bad game design, and the actual world design and branching paths of Sekiro are far more interesting than anything in Bloodborne

I don't think you know what that means

Already got sick from that chromatic aberration.

Are you just this much overzealous, that you assume that everyone who played bloodborne instantly likes the game?

The funny thing is that I've already told him that I liked it, he just can't stand the fact that I don't think it's a masterpiece

For starters, the level design included grappling hook and jumping. This gives them a much more open design. They're like big Tenchu levels frankly, which is quite boring. The levels can never throw anything interesting at you... and they don't.
Secondly, there is no continuous challenge. There is a brief adjustment period, and then the party is over. After Genchiro, the game basically stopped challenging for me right up until Isshin. Most bosses were one shots once it clicks.

See
They're a different style and they're shitty, open, etc.

Yeah, every mob in the game is a fucking joke too unlike souls where you regularly get pounded by some random OP as fuck enemy appearing from a dark corner while you have 0 estus and didn't find a bonfire for 30 minutes or so. Sekiro had literally 0 tension in exploration and bosses had a free safety bonfire before them every time.

It's hilarious how over exaggerated the difficulty of Sekiro is, it's pretty fucking easy and stress-free compared to souls. I mean you can even fall off a cliff and just lose a bit of hp and respawn, so much for gravity.

Making terrible content ironically doesn't make it any less awful.

Is Bloodborne really their best game? I actually only played Bloodborne but it really wasn't that good. I can't for the life of me understand the hype. I finally dropped it when I got hit and killed by the third time through a wall.

>genichiro and isshin challenging
>monkey trouble, owl (father), and demon not
What the fuck am I reading
>regularly
Only if you're a retard. The only death that catches people off guard is the bridge wyvern, the rest are obvious

No.

This happens in every From game

>Food analogy

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>Is Bloodborne really their best game?
No, Shadow Tower Abyss is.

>hampered by tacked on dark souls mechanics like co-op, leveling, and the chalice dungeons
Nice. Another complete disingenuous retard in a Bloodborne thread. Never get enough of these.

So online features and leveling are ONLY 'tacked on' in Bloodborne and not Souls? Even though it works the exact fucking same and detracts nothing from the game? Do you have ANY sound reasoning to support this statement

Co-op is even more tuned in Bloodborne, since players and invaders join at random when the bell is rung, and spawn anywhere in the map, and it's a gamble who the host will find first.

Leveling is still implemented better in Bloodborne and Souls than a lot of RPGs. No fucking reason to rip on this now.

And chalice dungeons are condensed souls virgin experiences that veteran players can use to experience that feeling of uncertainty again going into an unknown area, and it is a goldmine concept. Absolutely not a tacked on addition, even if it wasn't entirely finished.

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Best setting and atmosphere, but Sekiro has better bosses and gameplay. Both are a cut above the souls games

>monkey (any) hard.
kek
>owl (any) hard
KEK

Now that the honeymoon period is over I'm glad we can all agree Shitkiro is a B-team flop and huge disappointment. The pushback is fucking real already

>6 areas
>1 weapon
>NO replayability
>NO variety
>reused areas/bosses out the ass
5/10

>Sekiro has better bosses and gameplay
Father G is a better boss than all of suckiro’s combined.

>you only hate us because you're a nintendo/pc/xbox fag and you can't play it

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Imagine being so much of a brainlet imbecile that you can’t perceive that’s Sekiro isn’t meant to be like Bloodborne.

Sekiro is better and anyone saying otherwise isn’t worth listening to because they’re either trolling or braindead.

More like magnum anus haha

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>B-team
Stop this meme, DS2 was good. Suckiro is just a stinker like DS3.

Bloodborne tried to distance itself from being like dark souls, but the team wasnt as certain of themselves at the time, hence why it keeps the arbitrary status. Co-op and invasions are tedious a d not well designed, which is why the online for the game died in a month, and chalice dungeons are boring hallways of reused assets and enemies with the occasional unique encounter like crazed pthumerians headless. Absolutely hated going through them just for the platinum trophy, queen yharnham being a pushover was insult to injury as well

So when does the game get hard? I already beat everyone except the wet nurse. Also i beat pretty much each boss on the first try blind. I got 2/3 of the umbilical cords also.

Probably would have had an actual half of a game.

>DS2 was good

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Bloodborne:
Better enemy design, level design, music, atmosphere, narrative, etc.
Sekiro:
Better combat, runs better.
Tied:
Bosses.

Burden of proof

I hope BB niggers are ready to eat shit for the rest of their lives as Miyazaki moves to his CEO role and Hamatani becomes the new de-facto director.

Imagine being so much of a brainlet you can't understand simple comparisons in difficulty and how the difficulty of Sekiro is a meme.

Don’t see anything wrong except for the subpar graphics.

>ez babby parry tutorial boss
>good
LOL

What's with all the bloodborne threads? Snoyniggers finally snapped after Sekiro is so much better while being multiplat?

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>lost to wetnurse
LOL. Wat?
The answer is never, it never gets hard...just like Sekiro.

>Tied: Bosses

These are the types of brainlets we share a board with lmao

Still better than the "walk in straight line turd" DS3.

There are no good multiplat games, pcück.

Most of Sekiro's bosses are boring af honestly, while half of BB's are just broken.

its not like they have any others games to talk about

Unless your the guy who platinumed bloodborne in 10 days your not aloud to hate bloodborne

>shit souls 2 level """design"""

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Wetnurse was the only boss in any souls game I beat in one try lol

Snoys are retarded

I'll silently hate bloodborne then despite also platinuming it

“Can’t see” anything wrong (heh)

What is this, the snow field? I thought it was an interesting idea, but man... it was infuriating too.

Retard. Sexuro has replay value since combat is deeper than all soulsbornes together lol also best bosses

The "atmosphere" in BB is straight-up undeniable cheesy horror cliches. There's nothing rivalling something like the Ash Lake from Dark Souls

I'm convinced it doesn't matter what opinion you have here is. It is about how vocal and popular it is that matters most.

Retarded snoycuck
This

Nobody is hating bloodborne, just the obnoxious niggers putting it on a pedestal.

>a UNIQUE, OPTIONAL area
fucking terrible. please give me another swamp instead.

>Co-op and invasions are tedious a d not well designed, which is why the online for the game died in a month
Are you just incapable of offering supporting evidence for your claims

So in your eyes it was a race to the bottom to see which fromsoft game will cut the most quality souls mechanics, and Bloodborne dropped the ball there because it knew not to reinvent the wheel

Again, I question the reasoning behind this angle. You seem to have suddenly gained an aversion to good souls mechanics only because they made a return in Bloodborne. Talk about what it ADDED that you don't like.

Hypogean Gaol. Pretty easy call there, mate.

>start in gothic victorian werewolves and vampires setting
>things start to feel not quite right the more you progress
>lovecraftian begins to emerge
>doesn't stop emerging either
Dark Souls wishes it had an ounce of this. Also ash lake was the OG furnace keep

> one button combat
> deep

>food anology
>burger analogy
Americans...

>oversimplification

In every other Souls game the optional areas are actually good though.
Shit Souls 2 is an absolute joke and everyone but delusional fanboys can see it. You are a laughing stock

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It's the food you are focused on? Are you hungry?

When did you realize that you're so thirsty for games, that you seriously think objectively mediocre games are good?

lol, every boss in Sekiro except maybe Grape Ape is just mash L1 until they suicide their posture bar trying to attack your literally perfect defense against everything. Then a Quick Time Event happens where you pres R1 and they just drop dead.

Which game are you referring to? Des, das, das2, das3, bloodborne or sekiro?

It's not even oversimplification, it's just straight up untrue.

>Hypogean Gaol
Cool area, but it's still filled with undeniably cheesy horror cliches
It's a neat development but it's still cheesy horror cliches all the way through, it just shifts slightly.
The build-up to Anor Londo in Dark Souls is just as well-done. You spend the game going into darker and dingier places below, elevate through a nightmare tower of traps, and finally end up in an eerily beautiful city.

>gets legitimate criticism
>instantly goes full ad-hom, strawmanning and moving the goalposts all in one single post
lel

Only one that matches the description is suckiro. In literally all the other games listed you press at least one other button.

I never faced her yet. She is just the boss i haven't faced yet thats left.

>Both represented by shitty fast food
Accurate

No that's not it at all, sekiro actually requires at least 3 buttons to beat while all the other ones only require one button
Shows that you didn't play any of them.

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Please provide one (1) actual argument for DS2 being bad.
Posting an image showing downgraded graphics doesn't count.

>it's still filled with undeniably cheesy horror cliches
A genuine attempt at captivating background music is a cheesy horror cliche?

Bloodborne wouldn't be as good as it is without the stellar DLC so I'm wothholding final judgement until Sekiro gets a package as well

I wonder if anyone has actually beaten Dark Souls while only using attack.

Ash Lake did the same thing, except the setting isn't filled with silly horror cliches.

Never Ever.

Sekiro just needs L1 and occasionally R1 when the OH SHIT EPIC QUICK TIME EVENT INSTANT KILL pops up while the boss wails on you, but unable to do jack shit to you because lifting your sword about a foot up renders you literally invincible and makes them kill themselves on you.

Literally never moved the goalposts or strawmaned

Anyone that calls leveling and co-op 'unnecessary' mechanics is fucking high though. Ad hominem all the way.

DLC for Sekiro could be like 20 hours you never know

If Reddit hates lovecraft they have great taste since lovecraft books are horribly written shit.

Since each weapon outside the saws are so fundamentally different you can have 13+ unique playthroughs. Then you have pure gun (bt) and pure Hunter Tools builds (arc).

So before counting additional endings and autistic challenge runs. BB offers at least 15 unique playthroughs as opposed to Sekiro's 1

So you didn't play it since there are attacks you can't block or parry, and a lot of the bosses regen posture faster than you inflict it on them by parrying unless you lower their health first.

>I dont want to replay it so if you do there must be something wrong with you

It was good without it adding it can only be better

Anecdotal, sure, spent a good hour waiting to be summoned on NG+ to help players with bloodstarved beast. Nothing happened, tried again with shadows and it took 30 minutes to be summoned. Couldn't find a host for invasions until the DLC released, at which point I only invaded three players. You have to remember that this was coming after Dark Souls 2, with invasions and summons galore months after DaS2 released. The bell maidens were an awful concept

Bloodborne had already made clothing mostly cosmetic, with some sets favoring a certain matchup but otherwise costs were purely fashion. Arcane is also a pointless spec until NG+, bloodtinge suffers a bit from this as well but you can at least find decent bloodtinge weapons before cainhurst.

>silly horror cliches
Like what faggot?

You can't even tell me.

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Everyt weapon in Souls and BB is the exact same shit with the same playstyle, only thing that changes is the timing to cliclk R1

Monster Hunter has weapon variety

This is so fucking stupid do you actually believe that shit
Snoycucks are fucking delusional

Ok, so occasionally you need to stop mashing L1 to be completely unkillable forever and push a different button to also be completely unkillable forever.

Point still stands. Sekiro is made for babies because you can't die unless you're pants on head retarded. I don't think I even moved for 90% of the game's bosses and won fine, it was just a horrible unfun slog of just pressing L1 until OK THEY DEAD NOW prompt appeared.

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COPE

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Too much purple shit

I bet you're one of those retards that think the beasthunter saif plays just like the saw cleavers even though they have completely different movesets, strengths and weaknesses

>it has 13 ways to shoot enemies and riposte them with the same animation
Wow...

good argument well made

it's a gothic prison with eerie chanting in the background, where little hunchback grandmas come after you and stab you with knives.

So according to your logic that already means sekiro requires more strategy and skill than des, das, das2, das3 and bloodborne.
Glad that we can come to an agreement

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And you have no fucking argument loooool

Sotfs and DeS is my personal favorite from games
It's that mild jank feeling and the high amount of replayability that pulls me back in I like the stories too.
3 and Bloodborne are visual masterpieces with great music but I never had the same feeling playing them as 2.
I've never played DS1

This is the worst boss in the entire series.

Blunderbore is a solid 6/10
Don't really understand why snoys overrate it so much.

Bloodborne's DLC is utter shit.

>SON OF DOB

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The weapons in BB are like the weapons in MH, you wouldn't say that the GS plays exactly like the IG. So why would you say the Beastcutter plays like the Tonitris.

You've seen that in a horror movie before user? Which one?

DeS was shit, you should play 1 instead of being retarded
The MH weapons have WAY more to them then how long it takes for an attack to happen + hitbox

>magnus opus
>a burger

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bull and ogre are worse.

I've read a lot of horror with gothic asylums/prisons, and seen a lot of horror movies with eerie chanting in the background. and while not necessarily grandmas, knife attackers jumping out and scaring you happens fairly often in horror films

Sekiro has better gameplay while BB has better settings. I love anything Lovecraftian.

Why do BBfags hate Sekiro so much? I don't get it

>DeS was shit
Why would anyone trust your opinion on anything at this point?

They are mini bosses.

>Bloodborne
>over 300 hours of Gameplay, could've been more if the online was better
>Sekiro
>30 hours of Gameplay and no need to ever play again

Sekiro could've been much better. It's a 7-8/10 game for me.

Said absolutely no one ever.

>The MH weapons have WAY more to them then how long it takes for an attack to happen + hitbox

So does Bloodborne though. You actually would have to be stupid to say that the weapons play alike outside the saws. They have completely different combo strings, charge attacks, special attack L2s, running R2 speeds, transform attacks, backstep R2s, the list goes on.

The Rakuyo specifically has 3 full movesets, each state has a full suite of attacks, and so do the L2s.

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>took 300 hours to platinum BB
oof

It personally wounds them that BB is no longer the best Fromsoft game.

Because it's a better game.
Dark souls 3 was objectively a worse game, so they didn't have to be so obnoxious (they still were though) about it has most people that played both agree.

But it's also painfully obvious that Sekiro is the better game is, so they feel threatened.

It's not exclusive. PS fags have nothing to hang on other than exclusives. Their console is garbage.

Bloodbore can be beaten in 15 hours and there is no point in replaying it.

The moment it was in beta.

Right now there are at least 4 BB threads in the catalog and it's not an uncommon occurrence. Even in a PCtendo board, a game that only released in 1 platform (which is neither for those) is the most discussed and remembered.

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Compared to the rest of the souls games it's doesn't even come close.
Anyone saying DeS is somehow above even DaS2 I know are idiots.
So like I said, just time between attacks and hitboxes change. It's not MH.

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Remember when Nioh was exclusive and there were a lot more people saying that it's even better than Das? Now everyone points out how repetitive the game is and how the loot system is completely retarded.

I said it.

>They have completely different combo strings, charge attacks, special attack L2s, running R2 speeds, transform attacks, backstep R2s, the list goes on.
>The Rakuyo specifically has 3 full movesets, each state has a full suite of attacks, and so do the L2s.
And there is no point in all of this shit because mashing R1 is still the most effective way of dealing with enemies. Especially considering how retarded AI is.
Artificial depth.

hit'n'roll is hit'n'roll. different cosmetics don't change anything.

Each weapon has a different moveset, has different animations, has different strengths and weaknesses, has different playstyles and requires different strategies.

BB and MH weapon variety are similar in that matter. Attacking BB but defending MH shows you're arguing in bad faith because of a bias against BB.

I'm currently enjoying my Sekio playthrough, but it is not without its flaws and it is a far cry from playing Bloodborne. There just isn't as much options the further you get in and the bosses really aren't that great save for a few well-designed minibosses.

I would probably enjoy Sekiro a lot more without shitposters constantly comparing it to Bloodborne and making up the most bullshit reasons to put Bloodborne down to compliment Sekiro. It doesn't need it. It's a perfectly adequate title on its own.

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Hating bad things doesn't automatically mean you like good things.

Don't mind me, just posting the objective facts.
BB+TOH > Sekiro > BB > DaS1 = DaS3 = DeS >>>>>> DaS2

You can't even keep the grammatical number in a single sentence straight, you imbecile.

Maybe it's because snoycucks literally don't have other games to discuss? Bloodborne is literally the only thing they have that's relevant
Did you play Monster Hunter Generations? You absolutely know that BB doesn't even come close to that when you want to talk about the difference between weapons.

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I always disliked nioh. The stance swapping to maintain ki was cool, but it borrows too much from dark souls and diablo, and not in the good ways either. Final bosses are a joke, but the harder special scenario bosses are retardedly designed because you just kite them around focusing one at a time.

To let you know how disappointed I was with Nioh, I got the deluxe version on release and have yet to touch any of the DLC

>shitposters constantly comparing it to Bloodborne and making up the most bullshit reasons to put Bloodborne down to compliment Sekiro.
The other way around you mean? Seething BBdrones have been nonstop shitting on Sekiro since release.

Switch das2 with des and it's good.
No argument

This is a big gay meme, the only bad area in the 2nd half of the first game is lost izalith

I beat him with just using fists.
Git gud lmao.

You didn't have an argument either. You just said people that you know who like Demon's Souls are idiots.

Hey Yea Forums what do you usually put on your burger? I just bought a new grill

>a mcd quarter pounder or even their $1 quickie burgers are way tastier than the overbloated mess that is big mac

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Why square patties? The bun is fucking round and wouldn't the corners burn?

Yea Forums's contrarianism just reached a new level

I'm not Yea Forums.

Why do you bring up Generations? Because it adds 4 unique styles? (+2 if GenU/XX) so you can pretend that because each weapon having 6 styles of play makes it different than BB?

I think at this point we both know you're arguing in bad faith because the crux of the discussion was MH, and here you are talking about the anniversary title as if it was the norm.

Only if they think DeS is better than the other games
It's not a shot game but it doesn't come close to the rest

there's too many to list

mushrooms are always a good start

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Cheese, onions and mustard

>comparing dlc to base game

That doesn't make it anymore of an argument.

Git gud, flames and firecrackers trivialize both fights

This mostly.

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snoycucks have literally every single FromSoft game from the past 2 decades except for ChromeHounds. So they have the most games to talk about, not sure what your point is. If anything it's PC/xbone players who only have DarkSouls1 and the shit Bandai Dark sequels to talk about (as well as Sekiro now). Sony players can talk about Armored Core, Demon's, Bloodborne and Déraciné on top of the Dark triology. Not to mention all the innevitably Sony-only exclusives From will make.

As for your weapon variety point, that dude was a bit silly to compare it to MonHun, but BB definitely by far has more variety compared to other Souls games. No, the 40 weapons within the same family with only 1 gimmick attack variation don't count as different flavours.

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Did people here already forget how Yea Forums was calling Bloodborne a 7/10 disappointment before DLC came out?

>bull wrecks my shit
>late in game
>find sakura palace bull
>fuck it I ain't a bitch
>oneshot it despite the much smaller arena
Felt extremely good

Over medium Egg, blue cheese, videlia/sweet onions, tomato, kale and buffalo sauce
Don’t expect good breath. I call it the lady killer.

Irithyll of the Boreal Valley was kino.

Bloodborne is the probably most refined in terms of gameplay and handling, but loaded with bad ideas.

Top strategy: run past everything you don't want to fight.
Quicksilver bullets and blood vials are a limited resource that goes up in price as the game continues.
Micolash, host of the nightmare.
Every part of the nightmare that isn't in a building.
Forest filled with not only piles of snakes, but also bigger piles of snakes.
Chalice dungeons.
Convenient cheese doorways for any giant wolves mobs that aren't isolated.
27% joke bosses.
27% giant wolf bosses.
Enemy respawn requires entering the dream and then leaving again.
Aside from the starter set, all armor is functionally identical.
Middling level design.

Ninja Blade never released on a snoy console. :)

who the fuck is Yea Forums and why does his opinion matter

>MH isn't MH so it doesn't count!
Literally retarded
My point is that you still engage with enemies in mostly the same way regardless of weapon in bloodborne (outside of lame magic spam), they are different but not game changing.
In MH (even outside of generations) you massively change the way you interact with the game based on the weapon you pick. Saying BB comes anywhere close to even old MH interms of weapon variety is a fucking insult and shows you don't actually know shit. Add MHGU to the mix and you see just how far apart the games are when it comes to variety based on loadout.
Because all those others are multiplat. Snoycucks live on exclusive = the only thing that matters
Sure I can agree that bb had better variety than souls, and obviously sekiro isn't even an rpg so comparing the two would be retarded.

Ummmmmmm excuse me but your not allowed to critizise Bloodborne on this sub okay....?
Im gonna have to report you, sweatie....

>So like I said, just time between attacks and hitboxes change. It's not MH.
Basically nothing like you said

>Artifical depth
As if you even knew what this meant. Having simple methods of conquering a game just makes it speedrunner-friendly you faggot, not shallow. Some of the deepest games of all time prioritize one button.

If timing R1s was all that mattered, you would never see speedruns of the game where players charge their attacks to stagger bosses, or use the full suite of attack animations to dispatch other players. Simply approaching fights with the R1 button is extremely inefficient and a good way to facetank attacks when your opponent puts space between you (which in Bloodborne will happen fucking CONSTANTLY). Especially with larger weapons, and especially with the Beashunter Saif r Burial Blade. Your understanding of the moveset is vital to closing the gap faster than them and taking less hits, even dealing more damage, and other attacks can be customized to deal the most damage if you wish. Nothing goes unused unless you deliberately are deciding not to use better moves.

There are entire BUILDS centered on thrusting gems or blunt gems, where players can actually customize how much damage each attack type on their weapon does to maximize certain moves they like.

Bloodborne's combat is fucking ridiculous and you only understand it on the surface level

can't compare to best game ever

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pepperjack cheese, lettuce, tomato, grilled onion, charred bacon, jalapeno and guac

Organized discord group bait btw

Egg, red onions, a good slice of pecorino cheese, lettuce and pickles, with a hearty patty made of fassone beef.
It's the ultimate burger for me.

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>Because all those others are multiplat. Snoycucks live on exclusive = the only thing that matters
I don't. TO me PS4's greatest point is being the best multiplat machine by far. Not in hardware (only retards buy mid-gen upgrades anyway) but in variety. I could pick 5 PS4 games that you'd need 5 seperate system to play if you didn't own a PS4. I never got a Vita or PS3 so it's pretty good to get their games on my PS4, for instance. It also doesn't get delayed games, I couldn't bare to wait on EDF5 and Iron Rain, which I'm sure will come out on PC in a year or so, but why wait when I already have the perfectly good platform called PS4?
I dislike 99% of westernshit so nearly all of Sony's 1st party games beside JapanStudios' projects are completely irrelevant to me. PS4 could have zero exclusives and I'd still have gotten one on launch just the same.

Where did we even come to the point where anyone said BB > MH.
The discussion was BB > Sekiro.
The discussion was BB weapons are fundamentally different similar to how MH weapons are fundamentally different.

Then you come in here and throw a bitch fit and start arguing in bad faith bringing up anniversary titles with unique mechanics like Hunter Arts and Hunter Styles pretending that is the norm for MH, why not even go further and include Frontier shit too? Earth/Heaven Style SA, Tonfas, Magnet Spike? Hell why not even the Excel Axe?
You somehow misrepresent everything I've been saying because you have a bias against Bloodborne.

All this because I said that BB's 13 weapons offer more replayability than Sekiro's 1.

Absolute state of brainlets

Dumbing down BBs weapons to just R1 spam is to different than saying dumb shit like:
Unga bunga TSC
Unga bunga SAED
Unga bunga back hand
Unga bunga shield slam
Etc

I personally think they are equal and are both easily Fromsoft's best titles to date. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.

Hipster, DeS is the worst souls game
If you don't care about being able to play the best version of a game then sure. But to sonyfans when they are discussing their platform on Yea Forums the only thing they got is exclusives. If you talk about multiplats you essentially just say "yeah other machines can do the same thing but better...'
Because BB weapons are NOT fundementally different LIKE MH weapons.
Comparing those two doesn't fucking work. I'm not saying I dislike BB, I'm saying you can't compare the weapon variety of BB to MH because compared to MH, ALL the souls games have the same level of variety.

Lol, can't argue with that.

The smaller arena was good for me since my main issue with the Fire Bull was it kept running away from me when it wihffed an attack, so it having less room to run around made it way easier.

>"blind"
>knows about the umbilical cords before meeting her
>who knows what else he looked up
why isn't game hard lol??
fucking gamefaqs zoomers

Why are bbfags so obsessed with Sekiro?

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It's not a snoy exclusive.

Because its been 4 years since From Software made something appealing to us, so we lash out in anger due to our lack of patience

It really can't be now that sekiro exists

>DeS is the worst souls game
>great atmosphere
>great level design
>best hub area
>best hub area girl
>some great boss fights
>pretty much the same combat as the Dark Souls series

Its fine if you don't like the game but Demon Souls will always be better than Dark Souls 2 and thats a fact. In my opinion its better than Dark Souls 1 even.

Because it's such a dissapointment, and proves that Bloodborne was Miyazaki at his best and his magnum opus, and a remindert that everything since then is just going to be downhill shit.

>some great boss fights
Yeah, like two or three.

Sekiro is miles better than vanilla Bloodborne though.

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Miyazaki is a hack.
Sekiro and Dark Souls 3 proves this.

Japan Studios is the brain behind DeS and BB

>that Bloodborne was Japan Studio at their best
ftfy

DaS and DaS2 are objectively better than DeS
>But muh atmosphere
>But like 3 of the bosses aren't shit!
>But muh [insert aesthetic thing that has nothing to do with gameplay]
>Ignores the clunky controls, worse framerate and graphics (no pc version to fix this)

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>food analogy
For fucks sake, Americans cannot stop talking about food for one godamn second.

Both are really good, what is wrong with you stupid faggots

>If you don't care about being able to play the best version of a game then sure.
Highly subjective. I'd rather be stress-free than wait and troubleshoot on top of that.
2 examples:
I got DaS3 on PS4 because I didn't want to wait a couple of weeks (or however much the PC delay was, can't recall), heavily dislike scriptkiddies/cheat engine shit, and didn't want to come across any launch PC-only glitches/crashes and hours of troubleshooting with potential spoilers along the way.
I just want to get the game on launch and enjoy it. Playing it as 25-30fps on PS4 is way more valuable than playing it at 60fps on PC with all its potential downsides.

The other example is Nier Automata, which PC players had to wait 3 weeks for while avoiding the internet as a whole for nearly a month if they were fans of the franchise and didn't want to spoil themselves. Then the game came out broken on PC (and to this day), I saw literally more than a hundred of PC players getting heavily spoiled while trying to troubleshoot problems with their version on Yea Forums for the first couple of days. What a way to ruin a game. Was the increase of 40fps to 60fps worth all that stress and playing it later? Fuck no.

I could give you dozens upon dozens of otehr examples. The TLDR is that a lot of japanese PC ports are delayed and/or shit, so even though it runs games better, that single advantage doesn't outweight all the downsides.

> If you talk about multiplats you essentially just say "yeah other machines can do the same thing but better...'
PS4 does it better. Like I said, performance is only a single point. You also have release date, smooth release (as opposed to troubleshooting black screens and whatnot), and number of different platforms it gets multiplats from (PS4 has the highest, and thus the most diversity of games within 1 platform).
You seemingly only value performance, I value the rest more.

>Sekiro already outsold Bloodborne
Cope

>Playing it as 25-30fps on PS4 is way more valuable than playing it at 60fps on PC with all its potential downsides.
What a fucking retard.

>bbfags were actually just Sony fags all along
Thanks for clearing that up.

Demon's soul is much better game than dark souls 2.you are forgetting dark souls 2 released 5 years after demon's soul yet demon's soul absolutely destroys it in originality,atmosphere,level design and art design.

>Playing it as 25-30fps on PS4 is way more valuable than playing it at 60fps on PC with all its potential downsides.
Lmfao what a horrid opinion.

>it took a year for BB to sell 1 million
>it took 10 days for Sekiro to sell 2 million
So this is the power of being a SNOY exclusive.
kek

He's right though. Keep seething while getting spoiled waiting for games consolechads play first. Which reminds me that Micah is the rat, Arthur dies at the end, you play as John postgame

Ya but das2 was more fun to play lol

playstation players are not that huge of a fan of from software games. Most of the highest selling playstation exclusives are movie games like uncharted,last of us.

>Ignores the clunky controls, worse framerate and graphics (no pc version to fix this)

>complaining about the technical aspects of a early generation PS3 game

Dark Souls is just as clunky and the frame rate is even worse in some areas than Demon Souls.

>Graphics
Honestly at this point I don't know why I am even replying to you. Graphics are completely irrelevant. Of course future games will have better graphics, thats a given fact. Stop being an idiot.

>He's right though
No need to pretend, we all know you're the same person.

>Bloodborne
>High IQ
Dash and spam R1. Maybe it could have been high IQ if it had decent combat and was based on William Hope Hodgson instead of HP Redditcraft.

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>Which reminds me that Micah is the rat, Arthur dies at the end, you play as John postgame
>implying I care about movie games
A big yikes from me snoytard.

you should have played demon's soul when it launched.

Dabbing on Bloodbabs

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You mean AC4A

Everytime you guys give this argument you completely forget to mention that the shit pc ports are still superior to the console versions.
When pc gamers call it shit they mean it compared to their higher standards. Yet it still is the better experience compared to the console version

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Every from game is dash and r1

>30fps
Lmao retard

The forbidden forest is one of the best areas in the entire souls series retard. Post discarded.

>Every from game is dash and r1

Not Sekiro, its Block/Parry/Counter and R1

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>Enemy respawn requires entering the dream and then leaving again.

This is the only valid complaint. Everything else you said should be disregarded.

You can just dash instead.
Deflecting is optimal, but not required.

Dash away from sweeps and dash into thrusts ezpz

>4 year old game
Obviously i heard about them from Yea Forums faggot. This isn't the first bloodborne thread I'v been to.

I meant I fought every boss blind without looking them up. Most of the time you just stay behind them, which seems like the strat for like 90% of the bosses so far. Also I'm a boomer so get it right zoomer.

>Dash away from sweeps
Why not jump like a normal person? You get a free kick to fuck up their posture.

Because i dont want to

best opinion in this thread

We agree. Not sure why you even bothered to reply when I already conceeded that point to you. At PC's launch or soon thereafter (once the major problems get fan-patched out) the PC version has the best FPS performance.
But for the 3rd time, performance for me isn't at all the number 1 priority. Release date, spoilers, troubleshoot-free launch, are all more relevant to me.

On the VERY rare occasion when the PC version gets a simultaneous release and I can trust the dev that the port won't be bad then I get games on PC. Or in case I missed a franchise and I get a game later then there's no problem in getting it on PC. But like I said, for Japanese titles that almost never happens.
That being said PC has its valuable titles, I still play Kenshi and MTGA on the daily, as well as emulating 3DS titles since they get leaked by launch day (like the newest Etrian Odyssey game)

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Sekiro is objectively much better

It objectively has more replay value than Bloodborne or any other FromSoft game. Why lie, user? Why are you such a liar?

Sekiro has far better level design than Bloodborne.

Cringe BB cuckolds.
Sekiro is objectively far better than Bloodborne, literally in every way.

If by best areas in the entire series you mean, a long tree filled pathway with 5 aliens and thousands of snakes in the form of small moond, big mound and manshape that terminates in an easy boss that is three wizard snakemen.
The part with the manbeasts is alright, but that's effectively a different zone.

Laurence was easy desu. Or maybe it seemed that way to me since i fought him right after Orphan, who was raping me for almost a whole day.

>soulsbabby has to take the short way back to a boss so many times he forgets about the entire first half of an area
yikes, am i right sekibros

Bloodborn is just the next logical step after dark souls

Dark souls is fromsofts greatest game

>Aside from the starter set, all armor is functionally identical.
I didn't mind that actually, cause i could focus on looking cool desu.

Bloodborne is only seen as the magnum opus
(by sony fans) because it is a Sony exclusive. That is literally the only reason.

I remember when Dark Souls was coming out, and it was announced it was gonna be on the 360, and all of the Sony fanboys on Yea Forums started saying Dark Souls was shit and that Demons Souls was way better. Unfortunately for them when Dark Souls came out it blew Demons Souls out of the water. However, they then latched onto the fact that Dark Souls was not on PC, so it was acceptable to like. Later on, when Dark Souls came to PC too, they started shitting on the game again saying that PC players had ruined the entire series and Fromsoft.

I beat Bloodborne, and I quite liked it. However, I think nothing is gonna top Dark Souls 1. Having played that at release on consoles, and later on PC, it was probably one of the best times I ever had with video games. Unfortunately my PS4 was destroyed in a home fire and I didn't get to play the DLC.

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Funny how BB fags also use Demon Souls in their argument when it's basically shittier dark souls, it was like a fucking demo to test the waters of this specific type of gameplay
But hey, because it's exclusive they HAVE to include it, because NANANAAA YOU CAN'T PLAY IT THUS ITS BETTER THAN YOUR MULTIPLATS

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>reddit guy near burger
sage & hide

Repeat runs to an easy boss, wut?
Do you understand the point of shortcuts?
Your argument hinges on whether or not some text appeared on the screen.

Is bloodborne worth playing in all honesty? never played a souls game, this boards recommended games are usually a 50/50

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if you've never played a fromsoft game then you shouldn't be starting with BB
ease yourself onto these type of games starting from DeS, then go through Dark Souls trilogy, then BB and then Sekiro

This user is probably right cause BB is my first Fromsoft game and it's been kicking my ass, with 1 boss almost making me drop it (fuck you Orphan you piece of shit, i finally killed you)

> branching paths

You mean the only two paths?

I guess Cainhurst is two areas now because it has an elevator, same for the Nightmate of Mensis and Old Yharnam

It's gonna be fucking annoying to play. Just play Dark Souls and/or Demon's Souls first. Not the sequels.

There are 2 (TWO) branching paths in Sekiro (both that are non-optional btw), and maybe two shortcuts. Its the most linear of all of From’s games. Literally ONE optional area

Dark Souls 1 is the most frustrating and janky of them all. Not a good starting point.

So what souls game do i start with then? Got a few people saying not bloodborne cus itll smack me across the ass

Don't listen to that cuck
DaS1 isn't janky, that is a fucking lie.

Zero build variety makes leveling completely useless in BB. It’s genuinely a complete waste of time and changes absolutely nothing.

Necropolis is a roguelike souls game and it sucks, almost as much as chalice dungeons

Imagine thinking BB is a better game than Sekiro when the game is so unfinished even after 4 years you can still find cut contents which would have made the game way better youtube.com/watch?v=bPNP5jfpmfM

Go back

>DaS1 isn't janky

>blighttown
>catacombs
>tomb of giants
>hollow tree
>new londo

These areas are all poorly designed garbage and thankfully there's nothing as bad in DS2/3

>resident evil 4 isn't good

What if i think that both BB and Sekiro are amazing games?

You don't really think that.

>still saying "red" instead of sanguine

It's funny, i never played any From games until recently, when i bought both Sekiro and BB, and i love both of them too, for different reasons. I really don't get all that shitposting desu.

It's redd and not red, retard.

>You don't really think that
and how do you know that?

You do realize that guy will take a look at Sekiro's cut content once he is done with Bloodborne, right? And it will probably have a lot, considering the game has a lot of half assed mechanics like red eyed enemies, dragonrot, immortality severing and the unbalanced combat arts system which have a lot of attacks you can choose, but Ichimonji is far and away the best one.

You're the one who played the exact same game 15 times in a row

The adjudicator is the worst boss in the series

Cathedral ward and grand cathedral are different zones because you walk through a door, not to mention upper cathedral ward
Moonside lake is separate from Byrgenwerth.

So you're saying bloodborne is original but inspired by other works of art? Like how all of the souls games are really obviously inspired by berserk? There's nothing wrong with that retard

Because almost nothing of what makes bloodborne great is in Sekiro.

You should try actually playing demon's souls sometime

Lmaooo buddy go play smash if that's what you need from games

That is what the majority of people who have played both think zoomer

Redd isn't a word zoomer

So people are only allowed to like 1 very specific type of game? I'm not allowed to think that both Dark Souls and Paper Mario are masterpieces?

that's not shadow tower abyss

Rhythm games are the easiest genre ever, they even tell you what buttons to press and at the exact time.

?
The only thing BB has over Sekiro is the music and rpg stuff really.

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Sekiro does lack atmosphere. The way gold coins just flow to the character when you kill someone feels like something out of super mario.

No it doesn't lol
And souls and echoes also flow to you.

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It is, but sekiro is fucking good too

Bloodborne would be great if it was smooth and playable.
Fucking sub 20 fps whenever more than 4 enemies or on the screen or god forbid fire effects .
Consoles are such a fucking cancer, shitty drm boxes completely blocking the way of progress.
Everything should be on PC, Nintendo and Sony should just make their own storefronts. Consoles make no logical sense anymore.

Bb fags need to be gassed

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let me fix that for you

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>hates on DS2 since that's what people think you should do

Way to show your opinion matters

the level design in sekiro is utter bullshit

it's an awful game, retard das2brainlet
I'm sorry I have a functioning brain.

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Sekiro is better on the first playthrough
Bloodborne is better in subsequent playthroughs

The second you git gud at each boss in Sekiro you virtually never struggle against them ever again

>Half the worlds and bosses in DeS are garbage
>All the late game content in DaS3 is bad
>The quality of Bloodborne drops off a cliff after Rom besides visual flare and Gehrman

Of the Miyazaki games Sekiro lasts the longest but the part from corrupted monk 2 through isshin is still shit

>common opinion is commonly held
wowza

I own them all and disagree. BB is the best. What now?

The cage dragon fight is good besides one or two breath attacks and Freya is the closest the series has come to a competent oversized giant boss but otherwise the image is correct

Thinking DS2 is the worst DS game is legit, but thinking it's shit isn't because of how similar they are.

looks like he played it for almost 90 hours. he couldn't have hated it that much