GPU thread

Better drivers, better technology and better software.

The 2060 Strix OC here is fucking $537
The 1660 Strix OC is $429
2080 Ti Strix OC is $1670

Thought you meant the 1660 Ti.
I personally would prefer the extra performance just so I don't have to buy a new graphics card quite as soon. You're always going to have diminishing returns on value after $100 or so.

feels they've bumped all their cards up a notch, both in price and performance
don't see any reason to go that ham unless you've got some 2160/144 meme screen

peak performeance/$ is always in the ~$200 range.
Diminishing returns come higher up in the range

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If the card can't >60FPS at native res it's instantly irrelevant if it's $1 or $100

christ, we've had >60hz screens with color for a few months and people are already pretending it's an industry standard

>few months
My 2012 144Hz disagrees, but that was not the topic.
It was >60Hz, meaning it should have more than 60FPS so that it doesn't dip below 60.

~$200 cards will get you 60fps+ at ultra settings in FullHD and still 60fps+ in WQHD with lowered settings.

If you think you have to throw away your card because you dropped below 60fps in 1 game you've had GPU marketeers shit in your brain.

I got myself a GTX1660 and boy do i fucking hate nVidia.
Filthy GeForce experience ALT+Z Shadowplay shit doesn't work.
Fucking configured my browser to always have V-Sync on (so youtube videos and shit don't get screen tearing), the setting keeps switching itself off, even though it says "ON" videos still have screen tearing until i switch it off and back on and restart the browser.
Fuck nVidia.

its decades old brand loyalty. 8800gt was legendary while ati's cards had driver issues. funnily enough the gtx400 and fermi stuff has been swept under the rug while the amd driver issue meme is still enforced full force.

>8800GT was good, 8800GTX and 8800ULTRA were legendary.

The only retards that thought 8800GT being as good as the 8800GTX were resolets with 1024x768, instead of 2048x1536.

Your shitty TN panel, you mean.
>It was >60Hz, meaning it should have more than 60FPS so that it doesn't dip below 60.
In English?

The majority market share is still 60hz. 60 FPS is a very relevant performance target. Them's the facts.

>TN
Irrelevant.
If I want to use my IPS, I use my IPS
>In English?
Yes, do you speak it? If it's your native language, you're fucking retarded if you don't understand English.
>Them's the facts.
In English?
You mean Those are the facts.
Again, irrelevant since the topic was >60Hz, not 120Hz, not 144Hz.
>60
ABOVE
60
Hertzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Or do I have to act even more retarded so that I'm communicating on your level?
Thing is though, I can't go that low, so you'll have to try to understand anyway.

They will get more market share with Navi. Vega has great value now. Reason why Nvidia is by far more popular in steam polls are pre-built PCs and Laptops.

>ABOVE 60
Yes, and most people are using 60hz screens. Not 144hz. Not 120hz. Not 165. Not any number above 60. Thus it's a relevant performance target. It's the majority market share.

everyone has to own at least one amd GPU to realize how bad they suck. once upon a time i bought amd's flagship gpu on launch day. it was a huge mistake. the card was shitty, the drivers were shitty, it was hot, loud and a total POS. in hindsight i wouldn't have been happier going with the cheaper, midrange nvidia option.

>Why is Nvidia so much more popular than AMD for gaming?
Because every AMD gpu is consistently cheaper but also consistently shit. I love to hear from the AMDrones, what will you do when Navi turns out to also be garbage? Just wait for the next series?

>$1670
You can buy a nice used car here for that amount.

Clearly, you're too retarded to get it.
It's OK, you'll learn one day perhaps.

>funnily enough the gtx400 and fermi stuff has been swept under the rug while the amd driver issue meme is still enforced full force.
yeah, no shit. it's because the gtx 400 series is long gone while the amd software bullshit still exists.

rx 580 I bought for cheap as a placeholder until navi

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>amd software bullshit
not on amd's end. its not their fault nvidia pays big bucks to have pc developers optimize stuff for their meme hardware gimmicks.

its both. amd need to lend expertise so that developers can properly optimise for their hardware, and the industry as a whole should be adopting the vulkan API.
t. all amd pc

I can run GTAV theoretically at 600fps
I just use Nvidia cards and AMD processors personally

Is that a dark rock cooler? How do you find the noise level/temperature? Also what cpu you running I guess.

>not on amd's end
nobody cares whose fucking fault it is, they care if it's real

Because you can actually understand Nvidia model numbers without a cheat sheet. If someone said GTX 1090 you would know what they meant even though it doesn't exist.
56? WTF?

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> 8800GT being as good as the 8800GTX

Its price/performance for the time were ridiculous. I used mine for 8 years.

Don't forget Vega 7, which is somehow better than both Vega 56 and 64. Man, their names don't make any sense.

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It says right there it's a Radeon VII

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56 and 64 made sense alone, but yeah they really need to get a clue across releases

I believe you actually mean Vega 2.

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i've been too lazy to oc my 2600 yet but its been 52.5c under load. its very rare that the fan spins at all, even in most games its passively cooled. its completely overkill for it but I enjoy the silence and will likely upgrade in the future. my case is silent aside from the rx 580 which is undervolted to 1045mv so runs pretty quiet too

oh and sorry, yes it is a drp4

Because despite what shitters say, NVIDIA still offers better high end GPUs, also they're better for emulation.

I recently upgraded from a 560 Ti to a 1060, everything runs smooth in 1080p now

>RTX 2060 is $350
>GTX 1660 is $220
>~35% performance difference
>~60% price difference
>this is modern GPU's
I'll stick my r 290 thanks.

Yo thread, i'm considering buying a prebuilt PC for 900 and i'd like to hear you guys opinion on whether it's worth it or not.

Cooler Master MasterBox MB520
be quiet! System Power 9 - 600W
MSI B450M Pro-VDH
AMD Ryzen 5 2600
Alpenföhn Ben Nevis
16GB DDR4 G.Skill Aegis 3000 MHz
480 GB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8GB (not sure which one but i think it's Palit)

I buy Nvidia used to avoid the retard tax that is Nvidia at MSRP.

It's the best value anyone could get.

Wouldn't recommend Vegas desu. They're just in bad place price/performance wise, the RX 5XX series is viable(myself I have 570).

Looks alright.

new CPU generation in about 2 months. Don't buy now.

It's a catch 22, and one that I'm really struggling with for building a new PC. I've gone with AMD my entire life and despise Nvidia's business practices, but Nvidia's market dominance results in shit like gameworks and complete lack of AMD optimization for some games being generally accepted. I don't want to support their bullshit, but its really hard to justify AMD right now (their garbage OpenGL drivers don't help, though that'll be less and less of a concern as time goes on due to vulkan superseding OpenGL, especially if VKGL works out). Hopefully Navi turns out well.

Neat thanks!

Yeah but i'm on a pretty strict budget, this amount is already stretching it and i don't really have the time or knowledge to put a PC together myself, so i don't think i'll be able to find a prebuilt in this range with the newest CPU. lol

Vicious cycle of AMD not competing in the high-end because no one buys their cards due to lack of mindshare, causing enthusiasts to go to Nvidia and sing their praises, creating more mindshare for Team Green, repeat ad nauseum.
Hopefully Navi will be good, and AMD can use the goodwill generated through the genuine decency of Ryzen to generate some serious heat for Nvidia. More competition is always good.

Check with The mainboard could be better, should be fine if you don't OC.

Thanks fren i'll ask there.

V = 5
II = 2
So it's a Vega 52

nvidia is more supported, more reliable and gives you less headaches.
AMD is cheaper for a reason.
Nvidia only makes graphcis cards.
AMD is split between making mediocre processors and mediocre cards. Lowering their price and cutting corners is the only way they can compete. AMD needs to step up their game and truly compete with nvidia so consumer can win.

t. used to be "muh nvidia is trash amd is so much better fuck nvidia ha ha xD gamers lyfe" faggot

Fuck I missed the Radeon part, so used to seeing Vega, FUCKING AMD

Yeah that's kinda the whole point.
They should go back to their old naming and adapt it to match their CPUs. Something like R3 620 or R7 680.

granted its been my first experience with AMD but my rx 580 has been a very positive experience. AMD software with the drivers is leagues ahead of Nvidia and I don't need a login for any of it. i've never had any issues with my card, performance gets consistently better over time and altering it (oc, uv, fan curve) is all easy to do from the same panel. game profiles have very useful settings in a very clear presentation. maybe they were worse in the past and can't get as fast day 1/2 driver improvements for AAAs, but between the two I would choose AMD every time now

>not having a 2080

why even live?

>buying meme cards

I can't know how bad it is until i have a 2080 to compare to, why not send me yours user

You don't actually have to use goyforce experience. It doesn't really provide anything useful anyway

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the 2080 comes with an asian qt included? sold!

Man they really put value into those new ti cards huh

AMD was shitty with gfx Drivers since day one and till this very day they still have this problem:
youtube.com/watch?v=n9rhtSwAVfI
youtube.com/watch?v=v7-pdoriQOg

My 1st few cards were from AMD, but after putting with all kinds of shit i switched to NV and never looked bad. I dont argue, that NV is a better company. They are not. They are lying scheming faggots, but they cards and soft performs better.

The other thing why people go with NV, is because the exclusive features of the cards are supported in bunch of content creation apps (adobe premiere, 3d apps and so on.). You get faster rendering in your projects and in many 3D apps you can use Nvidias IRAY.

I have a meme screen and it's tits. 1080ti.

you do to have game profiles, direct updates and to have any settings carried across drivers. i think at least the latter two are must haves

Nah they don't reset settings even if you update manually.
I don't need game profiles and I'm fine with manual updates.
I did use it for some time for gamestreaming but I don't use that anymore.

Remember the time when buying a gayman laptop is actually a viable option?

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>have 1440p/144hz monitor
>8700k
>16gb 3400mhz ram
Recommend me a sub-800EURO GPU that delivers 60+ fps at almost-ultra settings in new AAA titles.

>posting outdated videos and one of them is a known Nvidia shill
Yikes

vega 56?

Got me a 1080TI for 490€ a few weeks ago, so im good atm.

btw
did you know, that nvidia stopped production of 1080 cards, only because they have similar performance as 2080 Series while costing much less?

They still producing 1070 and lower tier cards though, but not 1080.

Buy one used if you can, dont spend dough on memeshit

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The card can't even do 60+ in Wildlands.

oh strange, it always did on my 1080 and i had to use inspector to set the fps limit every time too

nice argument fegget

>Wildlands
Yikes

I don't give a fuck about the game, but it's a good indicator that any card that does well in terribly optimized garbage will do well in 3, 4, 5 years.

AMD has garbage drivers and with their cards you are 100% guaranteed to always have weird problems in games AND in windows that you simply don't have with nvidia

AMD stops supporting cards with new drivers after like 3 years, nvidia support lasts over 10 years

>noticeable margin
>6%

>garbage drivers
Is this 2005?
>nvidia support lasts over 10 years
>forgetting when they gimped the 780 cards with drivers to increase sales of the 900 series
Yikes

even if they maged to fix the drivers now, the card still cost as much as 2080 while not having any of the features, runs much hotter, eats more electricity and has similar, maybe little worse performance.
So why would anyone in their right mind go for that card instead of 2080??

>>forgetting when they gimped the 780 cards with drivers to increase sales of the 900 series

literally never happened

>So why would anyone in their right mind go for that card instead of 2080??
If your are into video editing.
youtube.com/watch?v=60QDV_fHQuE

its all the same shit, unless you need opengl currently.

why are you buying the strix oc aftermarket??
The founder's edition is the cheapest and the best for the rtx cards

I've been burned too many times by AMD to ever go back at this point. The 5000/6000 series were pretty great, but everything past that has been crap.

The 7000 series was so hot, loud and performed like shit. You know how Digital Foundry videos have frame pacing analysis? It was literally the 7000 series being so bad at proper frame pacing that it made the way we measure FPS completely different to how it used to be (not just pure raw FPS numbers)Not only that, but they re-released the 7000 series like 3 times.

In comparison, every Nvidia card I've had has been super powerful in comparison to any card AMD had out at the time and never let me down in terms of performance, heat or frame pacing. The 900 series was unbelievable, and the 1000 series, while expensive, were unmatched for year(s?).

Also, Gsync is a better v-sync technology than Freesync and I would never go back, despite the extra price. It was worth the extra ~$100 for my monitor when I've gotten so much use out of it and the Gsync function.

AMD's card game has been fucked up for a few years now, their cards don't perform as well as Nvidia's, they run much hotter, and suck power like shit's for free, also they stopped offering high end cards.

If they had a comeback, like they did with Ryzen and Epyc, I'd be fucking ecstatic, fuck Intel and Nvidia.

>literally never happened
>released a driver after the shitstorm where suddenly the 780 ti got better performance

>you need opengl currently
Not a problem on linux.

There's something wrong with your computer if you get screen tearing in non-gaming computer use.

Do you maybe have two monitors set up? That can fuck with screen tearing where there shouldn't be.

AMD CPU with Nvidia GPU best combo!

NVIDIA pump billions into marketing so they're more popular with the kids.
They also have the fastest GPU on the market but if you go mid-range you're better off getting AMD.

Software and hardware with Nvidia is just so much better, I use ryzen though.
At least AMD is good at something now

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My 7950 killed a PSU because fuck you I need 200 fucking watts, ran like a damn jet engine, and died not a year later cuz VRM.

Meanwhile a GTS 450 I built my first build around, abused the hell out of, is still going strong.

1060 now, runs as quite as the night, doesn't draws less power ideling than the monitor, and does the job perfectly.

Oh yes it did.
They dropped Kepler in new drivers which fucked 7xx owners in the ass.

no one who does video editing professionally goes with AMD, dumbass.

yes, it literally never happened. they broke an optimization in the witcher 3 in a driver and then fixed it like four days later. people like you, who are poor and have to buy inferior products, created a conspiracy theory out of this that you are still harping on years later.

meanwhile, amd cards, as they did 20 years ago when they were ATI, still have random problems in basically every game and cause issues in windows and yes, have markedly inferior drivers with insanely higher CPU usage.

Sorry mate, just not a winning argument. There's a reason nvidia has a hugely higher market share.

According to rumors, starting with Navi they'll steal Nvidia naming schemes (RX 3060, 3070, 3080...). It worked with Ryzen (R7 = i7, R5 = i5 and so on).

Ultimately, I think their idea is to have both CPUs and GPUs with similar names, so people who don't really understand hardware will pair their Ryzen 3700 with a Radeon 3070, because that's what makes "most sense" for them or something.

That's because Radeon 7 was rushed, drivers weren't even ready at release. It wasn't planned at all, but then they saw how much Nvidia increased prices with RTX... and released a 1080ti equivalent, for 700$, two years later, and it was still somewhat competitive.

AMD released new drivers literally two days later, and the problem was fixed. Don't get me wrong, it's still a shitty thing to do, but it wasn't a big deal.

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I know people are gonna bust my balls about the 2070, but I literally just wanted to bump up from a 970 so I wasn't hanging on the fucking cusp of VR, L.A.Noire VR not even having a 970 for minimum really pushed me for it.

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>stable premiere
>adobe instead of resolve
this is the most ???? shit i've ever seen

>They dropped Kepler in new drivers

No, they didn't. Nvidia supports cards literally 7-8 years further into the past than AMD does. They are soon ending game-ready (chipset specific) optimizations for kepler mobile GPUs, which are not even real kepler.

AMD's similar "game ready" type optimizations stretch back literally one generation whereas nvidias stretch back 6+ years. Good job creating a losing argument.

My 7970 used to fucking scream at me whenever it was under full load.

Fucking coil whine. Never had that with any Nvidia card (except for when a menu runs at 3000FPS, but I think that causes everyone's GPUs to make spastic noises)

Dude, don't feel bad. Going from a 970 to a 1080 was a huge and worthwhile jump for me so I can imagine the jump to a 2070 being even better.

The 970 was a good card, but it's too old now. Not enough VRAM for new games.

this isn't something you blame a chip maker for you stupid fucking ape. thats the shitty 3rd party vendor/board maker you went with.

Hey it's decent if you're on a budget, I need to get to selling it but I'm literally too lazy to bother using the mail, think someone would buy a used 970 at a half decent price?

2080Ti nibbas ww@???

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the 3rd party implementation has to rely on the bad fundamental engineering so yes it is amds fault for designing insanely power hungry cards

AMD would have gone bankrupt if console processors hadnt saved them. I don't think some of you here really appreciate that nvidia probably invests more money in drivers than AMD invests in architecture. The companies aren't comparable. One is a lesser.

>has a 2080ti
>plays the worst version of BOTW
THAT'S A YIKES FROM ME LAD

I mean, I wouldn't, but that's not to say others wouldn't.

Someone was stupid enough to buy my 7970 when the 970 came out, so anything is possible.

>buy ultra expensive video card
>dont spend the 50 dollars more to get EVGA

I wish I could understand your thought process, honestly

>ryzen processors hadnt saved them and intel sleeping on it
ftfy

>much cooler and use less power
I haven't used in amd in many years, but the drivers sucked and the cards died pretty quick. When I switched to nvidia all my problems vanished.

ryzen processors wouldn't have existed without the consoles saving the company, dumbass.

Yeah, but those $700 will buy you almost the same performance as 2080, while having none of the features (not only RTX-meme, but iray and so on), runs much hotter, pulls more watt.

At that price point there is zero reason to go with VII instead of just getting a 2080. AMD fucked up with this one.

I will be getting myself a Ryzen 9 3850X when its out, but their gfx card tec is (unfortunately) ages behind NV. Hope it will change, but atm is just how the things are

>ip count didn't rise
Sup Nvidiashill.

should have bought a mint 1080Ti instead when you had a chance. I saw em go for 450-500$.
Cheaper and better perf than 2070

>Corelets, when will they learn!

AMD has been amazing for the CPU market, even if you still buy Intel if it weren't for Ryzen we'd still be looking at the same 2-4 core offerings year after year.
I really hope AMD launches that 16 core this year, I want to see the sheer panic from Intel when their $2,000 workstation chips start getting comparable results to a desktop CPU.

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That is one interesting looking anal plug

not the main reason but mobile amd gpus suck while nvidia ones almost as good as desktop counterparts and gayming laptops get more popular day by day.

> Drug paraphenalia
> NBA 2K19

Show me your hands.

Not him but one of the reasons I stuck with Nvidea was because when I bought my first rig I bought AMD but they don't advertise a program that automatically updates them, not to mention Nvidea also has shadowplay so I can capture recent gameplay or streams that get their VODs deleted.
I didn't even know drivers were a thing until I got my 970.

you know
gigabyte>evga

>I bought AMD but they don't advertise a program that automatically updates them, not to mention Nvidea also has shadowplay so I can capture recent gameplay or streams that get their VODs deleted.
Yep, it's a shill.

I've owned both NVIDIA and AMD cards and have never had a card die on me.
I've been on a Sapphire 290 since its release and still performs like a beast.
What do you retards do with your GPU's that makes them break so fast?

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call gigabyte customer support for warranty or something, get indian

call evga customer support for warranty or something, get american

the end

>20%
It's 10-15% at stock if we're talking about the 1660 ti.
Don't lie.

wow, people still use shadowplay over obs buffers?

I'd rather you'd have called me a tech illiterate retard because that'd be more accurate.
Sales start at being user friendly man, no matter how much you think otherwise

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>can't figure out what drivers are or how they work
>not manually updating GPU drivers to avoid bloat and conflicts

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>What do you retards do with your GPU's that makes them break so fast?
Shit PSU and buying from 3rd party that uses cheap low quality parts.

thanks to EU I never had to call manufacturer when the stores I buy my stuff from are obliged to handle warranties for me

3000MHz ram? Doesn't Ryzen can handle better ram?

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>obs buffers
Quick rundown
26, just out of gen Z range, I'm just a retarded asshole

probably never ever clean the inside of the case and overclock then forget to create a profile that you can use for the 80% of the time you're playing a game that doesn't need the extra power so your cards not under stress all day for no reason

it's literally the exact same thing

i mean thanks to eu youre also being ethnically and culturally exterminated so ill take my chances with having to call customer support

I myself bought a 1060 3GB when the price was good for the time.
People will buy it, don't worry.

Yeah but that 3000MHz is the best i can afford right now, can't go far over the 900 euro mark.
Already decided on going for a better motherboard than in that post, so now money is really tight. lol

what's a good upgrade from a 960 if you're poor?
europoor not third world poor that is

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>obs buffers
With shadowplay you can record a silkysmooth 60+fps videos in fullres withough any performance hit or stuttering afterwards in your video file.
Cant do that with orbs.

vega 56

>nvidia probably invests more money in drivers
>still has the windows xp control panel

Nvidia is the applel of gpu manufacturers :^)

that costs like 5x more. vega is a richfag card.

1660ti would be a strong but affordable upgrade for you, it's basically a 1070 but for like 250.

Yeah if Apple was still an industry leader and not a floor grunting follower. Both sell overpriced jewshit atleast.

Because nvidia have been better for ages now. AMD used to be really good back in like 2010 with the 5850 and all those cards but they dropped the bottle after that and started releasing literal housefire cards. Nvidia also got a lot of hate for their housefire fermi cards and AMD were retarded as fuck to basically copy them. The 290x at the time had good performance but there were so many memes about it because it sounded like a jet engine and it spawned that infamous jet engine video. After that nvidia had Maxwell and Pascal and AMD haven't been able to compete above the $300 with efficiency and launch performance has been sub par. It's got to the point where only literal shills and fanboys buy AMD now because theres literally no reason to. No one in their right mind would buy a radeon 7 over a gtx 2080 because they're the same price but the radeon 7 is slower, sounds like a jet engine like the 290x all over again and it also consumes way way more power.

youtu.be/BcL5kbLFBdA

Nvidia had aggressively paid off devs to nerf amd performance on their games. Naturally, it had snowballed into nvidia being the brand every pleb knows about.

Nvidia has to release new game-specific drivers for every new AAA title that's somewhat graphics intensive for optimal performance since their GPU architecture is software-based.
AMD on the other hand has hardware-based architecture and relies more on raw power, hence the reason they run hotter and ahve a higher power draw, but you don't have to specifically write new software for every new game that comes out like NVIDIA does as performance is gained from raw calculations.
This also why miners prefer to use AMD cards.

I think I'd recall hell freezing over.

The difference between Shadowplay and OBS is that the former puts its temporary recording files on your drives while latter uses your RAM. If you're using only SSD's it might be preferable to use OBS so they don't get worn out to shit.

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>tfw bought my vega 56 for 350 bucks
>tfw the next week it was up to 540 bucks again
maximum marketfluctuations lel

>Nvidia has to release new game-specific drivers for every new AAA title that's somewhat graphics intensive for optimal performance since their GPU architecture is software-based.
>AMD on the other hand has hardware-based architecture and relies more on raw power,

bruh. this isn't how it works

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EU is still more white that USA moron

>tfw Stubbs the Zombie got pulled out of stores because it's was only possible to run it on old nvidia cards
Good thing for cracks which fixes that issue.

Currently running a GTX770 and I want to upgrade to a good AMD cards.
Is it worth it getting an AMD Vega64?

That's just the XMP speed, likely you'd be able to push those sticks a littler farther, if you can hit 3200 you're pretty much good, it gets into meme territory after that.

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if you don't get good performance with obs make sure you have configured it to use nvenc low latency

With a 1080p monitor will I regret buying a 1660 TI?

white isn't the metric, boy.

>Nvidia has to release new game-specific drivers for every new AAA title that's somewhat graphics intensive for optimal performance since their GPU architecture is software-based.
>AMD on the other hand has hardware-based architecture and relies more on raw power, hence the reason they run hotter and ahve a higher power draw, but you don't have to specifically write new software for every new game that comes out like NVIDIA does as performance is gained from raw calculations.

This is the dumbest post I've actually ever read in a GPU thread jesus christ

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literally never happened. ever. let your laptop be a laptop and your desktop be a desktop and save more money on two machines than you would on a single gay man laptop.

I had a 7770 and my fps plots would look like a fucking EKG. I was so fucking happy when it finally died and I had an excuse to replace it. Fuck AMD. Never considered them again. They haven't even had good price performance since because of fucking memecoins.

it's partially true, amd has hardware memory management which is why they benefit much more from vulkan.

Only if you're going for 144hz and playing a bunch of new titles

Huh why would you, it's basically a 1070.
1080p is mainly what you'll get from it.

Better to get a 56 and OC it.

guys i bought a rtx 2070. Should I send it back and get a rtx 2080?
Would cost me 200 euro more though. I play at 1080p and I want to be future proof.

>of fucking memecoins.
How is AMD at fault for that?

you've been brainwashed by nvidia smear campaigns

Tried everything in Orbs, but Shadowplay just gives me always better results (no skipped frames, perfectly smooth videos).
Its the only reason why i have GF experience installed.

>2070 at 1080p
Nigger that's overkill.

>K
>no OC
why

nothing is future proof for 1080p shoulda just got a 2060

stop using 1080p its 2019 i bet you used 1024x768 in fucking 2004 over 1600x1200

I dont CAAAARE Nvidia,AMD,Intel whatever I JUST WANT A BEAST CARD LIKE THE 1080/80ti WAS 3 YEARS AGO I WANT A CARD THAT IS ABLE TO PLAY 4K 144FPS.
FOR GODS SAKE RTX GEN WAS RIDICULOUS,LOOK AT THIS SHIT WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENT IS THIS

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Yeah, what was it, 8 fucking generations without any improvement

gtx 1080 is future proof

what cpu do you have if you can't even into obs encoding x264 while playing videogame

Which OEM is good?

4k is such a meme why do you even need that resolution the most I would bother with now is 1440p

I haven't bothered to look up how, I even have a Noctua NH-D15 slapped on it

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>Tried everything
lol. can't even configure a simple software. back to consoles.

Hello good sir, have you considered investing into an RTX Titan yet?

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>tfw 4k cucks on suicide watch
>breezing past everything with 1440p on a 1070
i'm not even mad :^)

>4K 144FPS
you are brain damaged

No not a meme , looks more crisp especially SINCE I PLAY ON A MONITOR WHICH IS CLOSE TO ME AND I HAVE GOOD VISION

No. Just no.
AMD GCN had hardware support for asynchronous compute however since nvidia Kepler (7xx) they stripped it out to boost efficiency and were relying very much on software based async compute. With their latest architecture they fully support async compute in hardware so AMD doesn't have a lead in Vulkan or dx12 anymore. AMDs one advantage has been taken away from them.

>I WANT A CARD THAT IS ABLE TO PLAY 4K 144FPS.

you realize that this isn't a thing, right

as in, there isn't a video cable that carries this amount of information. you cannot do this on any current consumer display

you have to wait for hdmi 2.1 for this.

>People still ragging on 4k, 144hz.
Honestly, I didn't even notice how bad 480p was on the ps2 or 720 on the 360.
Until I moved up that is, didn't notice the improvement on 144 hz, until I dipped back down to 110 FPS.
Obviously you're not going to fucking know it's an improvement until you get used to it, you fucking imbeciles, it's like eating fast food every day and then having a gourmet meal, you'll never want to fucking go back

Well reduce it to 4k 120hz DisplayPort can take care of it

>looks more crisp
…..you know what head on down to the nvidia website they can fix you up:^)

You can't see either 144fps or 4k. it's just marketing to inflate gpu requirements so they can sell $600 cards to retards again.

600?double that, More like 1200$ gpus buddy

>didn't notice the improvement on 144 hz, until I dipped back down to 110 FPS.
that's how you know it's a placebo effect. you didn't "notice" until you saw the number. retard.

But 1080p looks good doesent it? MY monitor can only make 1080p as well. I can put res scale up but I need to be future proof, thats the most important thing for me. I want to be able to play on very high (not ultra) for years to come with 60 fps on 1080p.
I dont want to change my gpu every 2 years. That would be a fucking expensive hobby then.

I really wish I could have gotten one of these. excellent performance, good cooling solution and one of the best looking cards ever. shame it cost $1100au at the time

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just wait for any big ((sales)) like christmas. i got a 1060 for half the price

Swap your monitor to 720p right now retard.
And then have the balls to tell me you gave a shit about 720p when it was the standard.

What the fuck are you on about? They had shit price performance. I don't care whose fault that is. I don't want to overpay for a shit product.

a gtx 1080 will anything that isn't intentionally crippled at that res for at least 5 more years.

that's it, motherfucker, that's the last straw
say that to me online and not in real and see what happens
bitch

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No ones ever used 720p on PC. back to consoles you go.

Based retard incapable of reading.
Why do you think AMD cards were popular for mining?

So the rtx 2070 even more so, right?

Nah, I'll continue having a better PC than you while you rage impotently, have fun playing CS:GO for the next 10 decades because anything that doesn't run on a fucking calculator is just a placebo, stupid nigger

>720p when it was the standard.

720p was never standard on pc, ever.

If you are satisfied with 60fps, why even bother with 1440p/144hz? I have nearly the same specs (1440p/144hz, 8700k, 16gb 3600/CL16) and my 2080ti gets me to 110ish on newer titles on ultra, and some previous gen titles don't even get close. Deus Ex Mankind Divided for example runs at 80fps average on ultra benchmarks.
I'm not telling you to get a 2080ti, I'm just genuinely curious to why you built yourself a rig with no GPU bottleneck but then decided to skimp on the GPU?

>on pc
Okay?
So 1080p is the holy covenant because you can't afford 1440p or 4K?
There's quite clearly a difference, sorry you don't want to admit it at the risk of sounding like you don't have the hardware for it

i7-2660k.
Video has lots of droped frames when i try to record with nvenc @ 3440x1440p 60fps.
Silky smooth results with shadowplay though.

I played Ace Combat 7 for a day.

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Will a Vega56 give me 60+FPS on 1440p?

>i7-2600k.
typo obviously

>mfw followed the instructions by the mobo manufacturer to OC my i5 9600K
>didn't even get to windows before freezing
>haven't bothered to try again since

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1080p is great because it's high enough to not be clear but not high enough to be placebo.

1440p is alright for large monitors, but 4k is a meme.

>I'll continue having a better pc than you
imagine being this insecure kek

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>Why is Nvidia so much more popular than AMD for gaming?
Cause they pay devs to gimp their games for AMD cards. As a result, Nvdia "just werks"

CSGO is actually great for testing it since nearly anyone can get 144fps on that. There is no real difference with 60 locked and 120+. try it.

So AMD cards run like shit is what you're saying.

about the same I guess, if you really care about raytracing memes.

onboard video is free and therefore the truly superior value proposition

>So 1080p is the holy covenant because you can't afford 1440p or 4K?

what are you talking about? I have a $600 1440p 165hz ips and a 1070ti.

Yea Forums: mindless blathering

You'd better be fucking trolling nigger

The cards themselves are fine, it's just that Nvdia spends a stupid amount of money making games run like shit on those cards. This video explains it much better than I can:
youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M

Are you sure you're playing CSGO? Because it turns out I'd been playing 1.6 all this time and never noticed. 144hz is great, trust me, I can't see fucking shit.

try it, see for yourself

The ugly truth about game gpu benchmarks is that performance is as much determined by what kind of hacks the drivers include to fix the poor coding of game devs than the hardware itself

>The cards themselves are fine
Until you launch a game. They're not very good at those.

1.5 > *

Yes I just said why that is the case

144 FPS doesn't make a difference on a 60hz monitor, moron.

The interesting thing is this is part of the reason why some Windows games perform faster on GNU/Linux with an AMD card than on Windows with the same card. Because while a Windows game may be really tuned for an Nvidia-specific DirectX workflow, DXVK (D3D11 on Vulkan) and RadV (Independently developed Vulkan driver) are developed in lock step.

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Because, all in all, i managed to pick up de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pPQ2dX for roughly 1000EUR since december buying pieces as they went on sale. 320 for the monitor, 300 for the CPU, 120 for the ssd, 120 for the ram etc. So dumping 1300+ on the GPU alone seems crazy to me. i'm in not exactly in a hurry to finish the build but eventually i'd just like to get it done.

it doesn't make a difference on a 144hz monitor either. those monitors are good because they have low lag. you don't need to run 144fps to get the benefit, and actually, it gives you no benefit.

Back when desktop GPU prices went full retard some user said the price/performance are almost the same because mobile GPU weren't affected.

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lol poorfag

>4 year old video
Are you retarded? Nvidia have been super pro consumer recently firstly allowing adaptive sync on any monitor or TV on nvidia cards which has no benefit for them at all because of their gsync brand and also they allowed RTX on non-rtx Nvidia cards as well. Not only that they released loads of free features for shadow play recently as well and even paired up with OBS to make it better with more features and support so even if you don't want to use shadow play you can still get maximum performance from OBS and AMD benefits from that too. AMD literally hasn't done shit in the last couple years aside from releasing housefire like the radeon 7 or selling rebrands like the 480 to 580 rebrand to milk their fanbase.

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what you really want is freesync so that any small dips under your target framerate won't be noticable. dropping to 58fps on a 60hz monitor is a disaster, major hitch. in a 144hz monitor it's not as bad but still noticable, with freesync you'll hardly know anything happened.

best card for 300 buckos? i want to upgrade my 1050ti.

Read my post again buddy.

VII is stop gap, just to say we are still in the game. they didnt even produced many, probably not planning to do neither.

>$300
>GPU
>HAHAHAHA

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>super pro consumer
doing what is expected isn't super pro consumer, bootlicker.

Different user here. Have a more recent one.
youtu.be/H0L3OTZ13Os

or maybe you should should whine at your parents to buy you a new shiny instead of crying about it on here

your post makes absolutely no sense

>tfw 1660 is superior to RX590 in almost every way with lower price but autism dictates me to get the RX anyway because my CPU is Ryzen

>Raytracing is a meme
t. Average amd nigger who doesn’t want innovation because he otherwise can’t run 1080p 60Fps.

mindshare which means lots of retarded people

raytracing is what devs want so every incompetent retard can shit out a game, running games at 25 fps when they can run at 50 with the same graphics displayed on screen isn't useful for the consumer that wants to play games

reflections can be done 500% faster without it

Really getting tired of poorfags getting riled up whenever 4k or 144hz monitors get brought up.
We get it, you can't afford it, however your obviously unfounded opinion means nothing

I strongly recommend scraping up another 30-50 bucks, then you can buy a used 1080 on ebay.
Bigger upgrade than anything else you'll get in that range, just make sure the offer seems trustworthy.

Linux fags shilling AMD are pathetic and retarded. Can't imagine buying a gpu for gaming only to use linux desktop

noooo don't you get it it's all nvidia's fault everything runs like shit on AMD, and it's the miners' fault they're so expensive
buy AMD, they're worse in every way but you're doing the right thing

>1 year old video

Give me a 2019 one where they've actually been doing all this nice stuff or fuck off. How about addressing the fact AMD were charging $130 more for the EXACT same card? Neck yourself AMDcuck.

I plan to switch to linux at the end of year instead of win10 trash where 90% of my retail games can't run because of retarded drm they have.
And yes, I tend to replay old games, fight me.

what's wrong with that? even indie developers can produce graphic intensive games. good for customers. big publishers are killing gaming with their greed.

>have i5 2500k and GTX 1070
>Want to ascend from 1080p60hz to 1440p144hz

It's gonna run like shit isn't it bros? Also I'm curious to see what the fuck Navi is going to be. My hope is that it forces Nvidia to actually make a kick-ass affordable 7nm card series, but my fear is that it's just going to be a budget card lineup to compete with 1660 Ti, 2060, 2070.

Fuck RTX though, and fuck Nvidia's price gouging for meme tech.

Where's my AMD RTX support in games?
Where's all my nice extra AMD features like ANSEL or freestyle?

2160p(it's not 4k you memespewing retard) is just a marketing gimmick
obviously, since the big push for it is on TVs, where first of all you aren't getting "4k" input but some shitty upscale, and second, are sitting way too fucking far away to tell the difference
144hz is nice though, glad we're finally getting it outside of TN panels

i've gone from the r9 290 to the 1070ti

the drivers are the thing i miss the most about the 290, nvidia drivers stopped in time years ago and in terms of stability i don't see any difference desu

But we're not just using it for the desktop, we're using it for gaming. Why would you run Windows if you have an AMD card when you can get the same or better game performance on a platform that doesn't bundle malware?

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>i5 2500k
But why user

Then why aren’t all devs implementing it you massive nigger? It’s only NVIDIA pushing for better visuals for pc while amd for example gives the only advantage PC has, Vulkan, to consoles that literally perform better than a 2700X/Vega 64.
They can’t. Look at SSR if you can run it at all. Baked lighting also makes dynamic light sources impossible, same for day/night cycles for example. Ray tracing isn’t reflection only.

SAVE AMD BROS NOOOOOOOOOO

>tom's hardware
>buy those unreleased RTX will ya goy
>buy them goy

bought one
no housefire's, no ragrets.

>not putting the Radeon 9800XT on the graph

faggot

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Except it's not meme tech you tech illiterate retard. It's the natural evolution of graphics. A $350 2060 completely blows a $700 1080 ti out of the water in games with ray tracing on because of that extra hardware. It's not like they're limiting you to only buying RTX anyway they support RTX on all their cards now but it will run worse. If the market was left down to AMD we'd still be stuck in 10 year old technology and efficiency. Thank fuck nvidia is trouncing AMD.

you're a stupid motherfucker ain't ya?

ahahahah BTFO AMD r u evnen tryign

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Lol. I've been ocing the shit out of it for years and it runs pretty well actually. The true meme is that for years Intel's CPUs have only made marginal improvements.

At this point, I'm waiting for the Ryzen 3700x, I've got a feeling that it's going to btfo Intel.

tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-gpus-worth-the-money,37689.html

But you can do Ray Tracing with pure Vulkan without needing extra proprietary extensions. AMD demoed it several years ago.

Nvidia had to add the extra hardware because their cards still aren't really fully Vulkan compliant, and they added proprietary extensions because they wanted to use them with the vastly inferior D3D12.

Ray tracing support has to be supported in engine and API you clinical retard. No random dev can decide to support ray tracing if the engine they're using doesn't support it. All major game engines either have support already or are developing support eight now. Microsoft has already developed a directX version called DXR which is literally just for ray tracing support and RTX uses that API in games for RT. We know for a fact next gen consoles will support ray tracing because AMD have ray tracing as a key feature on their next gen roadmap and have even opened up support for it in the driver called GPU open pro render.

Educate yourself before you post again retard.

Wash your hands more often you greasy nintentard

thasts like a few FPS in game

They added the extra hardware because ray tracing will tank performance without dedicated hardware right now you retard. The current gen nvidia cards are 100% vulkan compliant hence why they trounce AMD in vulkan games like wolfenstein.

>vulkan
>consoles

Are you dense?

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>ray tracing will tank performance without dedicated hardware right now
But it still tanks performance on the Nvidia cards.

>The current gen nvidia cards are 100% vulkan compliant hence why they trounce AMD in vulkan games like wolfenstein.
They implement an optimized subset, kind of like 3DFX did of OpenGL with Glide.
Plus the RadV driver is faster than the driver AMD provides.

isn't GTX 1070 over a year older than Vega 56

all large game devs have source access to the engine they use and can do whatever they want

you fucking moron i was talking about the joke that went light years over your head

Would be better if you included this tard.

The PS4 uses a Mantle derived API, and Mantle can be thought of as Vulkan v0.
The Switch's NVN is essentially Nvidia's Vulkan plus a few proprietary extensions.

Anything not from Microsoft is going either actually use the Vulkan standard, or some minor variant of it because its the only game in town today when it comes to a free to implement graphics standard.
Nobody uses D3D12 except for Microsoft because even if it wasn't wholly proprietary and locked to Windows 10, nobody would want to since its also inferior.

Is there any reason to get a Vega 64 over an RTX 2070? Both are in my price range for an upgrade over my ancient fucking history 760, and both seems to be have similar specs, with the RTX being slightly better but also slightly more expensive.

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So guys, tell a stupid retard.
1070 or Vega 56?

Yeah but i'm not sure that's necessarily that important of a factor.

And it tanks performance even harder on cards which don't have RTX cores where a $350 card can demolish a $700 card. Newsflash! Ray tracing is computationally demanding! Who would have thought!

And all large game devs tend to be lazy shits who spend the most time doing minimal work and PC ports are worse now than ever. There rarely is a big game that comes out that doesn't have major issues on PC.

Do you plan to run Linux soon / when Windows 7 is End of Life in 8 months? -> Vega 56
If you're running Windows 10 and you don't mind the bundled malware in the OS and drivers -> 1070

AMD are for poor people

They started off as a company creating knock off Intel processors

Intel spared them to not allow a monopoly

Or if you play old classic games> Linux.

I have a 1070. Good card. Runs 1080p 144hz like a dream. Doesn't consume much power, quiet as fuck (evga sc model). The only person I know who owns Vega used it for mining and sold it after that so I'd assume it wasn't good enough for him because he bought a 1080 to replace it for the same price he sold it for.

>Using RTX on non-RTX cards kills performance!
Well no shit. Its just the latest in a long line of proprietary Nvidia 'features' designed to kill performance on older cards, including Nvidia's own.

1070 it is then, thanks guys.
Can i expect to make it through the next console generation with that card if all i want is 1080p 60 fps?

Actually AMD got the x86 license, because Intel were working on a next-gen chip called Itanium that would reduce x86 to a legacy part and give Intel a total monopoly.

But then AMD produced an even better version called AMD64. Intel reacted by illegally blocking AMD from the market and got slapped down by regulators.

Now every CPU produced by Intel is AMD64.

>Microsoft DXR
>proprietary for nvidia

People have even got RTX games to work on AMD cards and they also tanked performance you clinical retard.

Only buy a 1070 if it's super cheap like $200. Get the 1660 or 1660 ti instead because they perform better or at least the same.

>got slapped down by regulators.
That happened way too late when Intel already gained almost 90% of the market.
Fucking EUtards working too slow.

>Can i expect to make it through the next console generation with that card if all i want is 1080p 60 fps?
That will be up to Nvidia if they decide to gimp their older cards in driver updates.

So far the only 'next-gen' platform we know the specs of, Google's Stadia, uses an embedded GPU provided by AMD that is roughly the same performance as a Vega 56/1070.
But due to the unique way that platform operates Google can easily dedicate multiple server GPUs to a game.

What is that language? I don't understand a thing...

Its just the RTX extensions with a Microsoft label slapped on to it.
Of course its going to tank performance on AMD cards, like Nvidia's tessellation solution that generates tons of vertexes their cards conveniently ignored, that is literally what its designed to do.

AMD/ATi was always the best bang for your buck, but nowadays they pretty much cost the same (depending on your region and manufacturer) and going with Nvidia ends up being the more reasonable choice, since they're usually superior in the power consumption/heat department.

>SSR
the fact that you only know about sslr and raytracing means you are an idiot

he's australian

>Why is Nvidia so much more popular than AMD for gaming?
Because everyone knows AMD graphics cards suck and have for a long time. Literally zero reasons to buy one and anyone who tells you to buy one is a shill.

Turn subtitles on.

>Its just the RTX extensions with a Microsoft label slapped on to it.
and tesselation is just trueform with a microsoft label slapped onto it

microsoft drives innovation by standardizing features

Because PC gamers tend to have more money than console gamers. That means buying premium components instead of bargain bin.

More like Microsoft causes stagnation by restricting PC gaming to what their console (or their next console) will support.

Vulkan advances at the speed of hardware.

you are an idiot

Reminder that nvidia has contributed more to the kronos group as a whole than anyone else and the kronos CEO is literally an nvidia employee.

(You)

kronos was never relevant.

The only reason D3D12 exists is Microsoft realized the Khronos group was off their leash and was finally going to release a clean next-gen API, which turned out to be Vulkan.

Microsoft had successfully blocked Long's Peak, the previous effort to break free of Microsoft's forced stagnation of the PC platform to benefit the Xbox which was a direct cause of the early 00s dark age of PC gaming.

>b-b-but vulkan
>waaaah vulkan isn't relevant

This thread can't make its mind up

under opengl there are 500 ways to do rendering that depends on vendor exclusive extensions that are not cross compatible

under directx there is one way to do things that works on every directx compatible platform

tesselation would never have taken off if not for directx, raytracing would be a bigger meme than it already is without standardization.

the only reason kronos even tried to make a "next generation api" in the first place is because opengl was such a horrible mess even carmack denounced it compared to DX10+

>under opengl there are 500 ways to do rendering
Because Microsoft blocked Long's Peak, the effort to allow for 'clean' new generations of OpenGL.

Microsoft intentionally blocked OpenGL from producing a clean, legacy free, game developer friendly API because they knew if they did they could then do that exact thing with the new version of DirectX. Which is exactly what happened and they forced the capture of the industry to an otherwise inferior API restricted to what their console hardware could do.

The only reason Vulkan was able to move forward as a new legacy-free API is that it went under the radar by not officially being OpenGL 5.

Gross under use of that fractal design case. Disgusting.

You should be hung for that picture, pleb.

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768p

>restricted to what their console hardware could do.
you are an idiot

768 = 720 got it

also 768 literally hasn't been used since 2002

ayyyy

is anybody familiar with the zotac 2080ti amp extreme. Literally on the fence about returning my current 2080 and getting this instead.

so aesthetic.

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I don't know if this is bait or not since this is Yea Forums

buy AMD.

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Well, I'm convinced.

Surprised you didn't realise from his first posts

yeah right. amd is the company that is supposed to have the best budget products, but their drivers eats up cpu cycles which is anti-budget. amd gpus are turds.

Just got one to upgrade from a 980. Feels good.

its not bait. Plebs who buy PC cases that cost more than any individual piece of hardware in it should be shot.

Imagine you wanted that case but it's out of stock because shitlord here wants to put his bland ass be quiet! and AMD meme card inside of it with mismatched fans.

I want to touch them.

What have I said that is wrong?

D3D10/11 was a dead-end, and as the DXVK developers have discovered not nearly as clean as Microsoft liked to pretend. They wound up having to implement some legacy features used by games which at least has had the side benefit of allowing projects like D9VK to progress much faster than they would have been able to otherwise.

youtube.com/watch?v=x9aloSEKIzw&feature=youtu.be

the case didn't cost more than any individual piece of hardware. i bought it for airflow and the nice dark side panel. the fans actually match the mobo though this wasn't intentional. i'm sorry you seem to have both shit taste and anger/autism issues but i'm very happy with my setup

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agreed. never going to buy an amd card ever again after i bought their 4890 on launch day and suffered through the buggy drivers and frame time stutter for years and when they finally get around to addressing the frame time issues they conveniently drop the 4000 series from the updates. fuck those faggots. amd are great nvidia salesmen.

>upgrade 1050 to 2060
>everything runs well at high settings with good fps
>but now I occasionally get weird stuttering that drops the game to 5fps for half a second for a few games
>sometimes a few seconds in the case of games like Sekiro, which could get me killed
>happens in menus so I know something is fucked
>upgrading CPU didn't fix it
help

imagine feeling superior to someone while you have an AIO, launch price rtx card and rgb all over lmao

friend of mine had the same issues and he rma'd it. apparently it's a problem with the memory on some GPU. fucking memory companies first price hike it then sell us shit modules.

Have you tried with a different OS/drivers? Its not going to make as big of a difference as it would for an AMD card, but it should still let you easily isolate whether its a software problem or bad hardware.

system76.com/pop
Provides a very easy to use live environment with the Nvidia driver included by default.

>imagine feeling superior to someone while you have an AIO
And where exactly am I going to keep a tank +front rad config with even an average sized video card pcb of a high end GPU?

My build is actually well thought out and engineered, sweetie.

>launch price rtx card
*ahem*

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could be running out of system ram. you need at least 16gb for the latest games.

Because AMD has shitty drivers and devs don’t usually bother optimizing their shit for AMD.

>buys ASUS GPUs
no wonder why such prices

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PC noob here. So is now a good time to build a PC?

Apparently the bitcoin mining craze is over and graphics cards are back down to more reasonable prices now.

reminder that AMD's Pajeet is coming to NVIDIA staff

If i were you i would wait until the next console gen is released so you can make sure your PC is superior to it

AMD is usually pretty good in the midrange but their top end cards have been stinkers for a while now and it looks bad on the whole brand. Even if they make a competitve top end card like the Vegas or 390/290(x) people will just not buy it.

I went from a HD 4870 to a GTX Titan and was blown away by the performance boost (I went travelling for 4 years).

I want to upgrade the GTX Titan to something. I have about £500, what does Yea Forums recommend for a serious performance boost?

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Buy a used 1080ti and prepare to have your fucking mind blown.

Wait a couple months for new ryzen.

Are the MSI Radeon RX Vega56 any good?
What's the best manufacturer for the Vega 56?

which retard would want a vega 56?

Very constructive and useful comment.

i looked everywhere for a decently priced vega 56, found none. bought the gtx 1070 after a month or so vega 56 showed up on site only 20 dollars more expensive. fml
I know the 1070 uses less power and therefore is cooler but all amd graphics card age better than nvidia ones. look at rx570 580 590 over the 1060. you can already see in benchmarks that vega 56 is beating the 1070. also 1070ti's are extinct.

i had a vega 56. it sucked. don't bother. also the muh finewine meme doesn't exist either. compare a regular rx 480 to a 1060 and they're the same as they were 2 years ago. the rx 580 is a rebranded and overclocked rx 480 so it will inevitably have better performance in perspective. if nvidia did a rebranded and overclocked 1060 then it too would be faster than the 580 as well. the fact that same old day 1 1060 is even competing with amd's best attempt at overclocking a 480 without losing margins just goes to show much much of an amazing card it was. if fine wine was really a thing then the fury x wouldn't still be behind a 980 ti.

Will Ryzen 3000 blow Intel out of the water? What about Radeon 7? Will that blow out Nvidia?

I'm too much of a brainlet to understand this shit, what should I buy if I want a high end PC in the next six month?

Don't buy AMD GPUs, they're shit. Problems with emulation, too long for driver optimization. Nvidia cards just werk.

AMD CPUs are great though, no reason to get an i5 while Ryzen exists, slightly inferior gaming performance for superior multithreaded performance and better future proofing.

I will wait for Intel's discrete GPUs to finally give Nvidia competition in the GPU market because AMD GPUs are just straight up garbage.

>6gb of vram
theres your problem

Wait for Zen 2. My guess is a Zen 2 CPU with a decent midrange Nvidia card for ultra settings 1080p 60fps.

Will it blow my dick too?

Also, should I avoid miner cards or is that a meme?

Legitimate question, why is AMD's naming convention so weird? With Nvidia I take a look at the card and it's straightforward, I can easily see how good of a card this is. 2080 is better than 1080 is better than 980 is better than 950. There, easy. I look at AMD stuff and it's confusing as fuck, I have no idea what I'm looking at. 580's, Vega 56, Vega 7, what the FUCK is all that? Am I just being dumb or is it legit weird?

RIGHT NOW
AT THE SAME PRICE
VEGA 56 OR GTX1070?

Mining cards aren't inherently an issue, many of them are still perfectly fine or maybe have a damaged fan, which can be swapped out.
But there's always a risk of course, make sure to only buy from well rated sellers who have something like Ebay's buyer protection enabled to be more sure.

And if I want 1440p 144fps?

I bought a VII to drive a 4k 120hz screen and shit is glorious.

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So a vega 7 and a Ryzen 3000? Man this shit is confusing.

V56 all day every day.

2080 or VII are good for that. If you go down to a V64 or 2070 its probably doable.

Is there a difference between going with Intel and Nvidia or AMD for both?

Thanks, one more question (I don't know shit about tech), prices are pretty variable on ebay for the 1080 Ti, is brand important? If so, what brands are good?

Can the Vega56 give me 60+ FPS on highest graphics settings on 1440p?

it's a company run by a woman and a bunch of retards. what do you expect? just avoid them like the plague and buy nvidia like everyone else.

OG titan these days is about as fast as a RX 570 so anything significantly faster than that will crush your titan for performance.

Radeon 7 is exactly what AMD said it would be - a 2080 competitor.

>Radeon 7 is exactly what AMD said it would be - a 2080 competitor.

But not quite as good as it doesn't do ray tracing but costs the same

vega64/56 is a bargain and performance about the same as its equivalent the 1080/1070. but while nvidia cards work out of the box, you cannot leave the vegas as they are. uv/oc is mandatory for low power consumption and better performance.

my vega64 draws about 180-190w when under load at 1440p, which is comparable to the power draw of a 1080.

2080 with 9700K/9900K because you need a stronk CPU to get very high framerates.

It will do it as well as the 1070 can which depends heavily on the title in question.

here is a recent review from Techspot that has 1440p numbers. techspot.com/review/1799-geforce-gtx-1660-mega-benchmark/

Anyone buying a 2080 for RTX is retarded unless they are playing at 1080p....which is also retarded as its a card capable of handling 4k.

>Why is Nvidia so much more popular than AMD for gaming?
Amd sucks at drivers and basically all benchmarks use stock drivers so they usually end up losing or matching nvidia.
also radeon 7 being a rebrand and running similar or worse than a 2080 for the same price was also really dumb, if they had sold it for like 200 less they would have won

i still have my r9 290 im runnning that bitch till it turns into pork rinds

Would a ryzen 3000 with RTX2080 be good?

> Amd sucks at drivers
nice meme, but it's actually the other way around.

I still have an i7 4790. Should I buy a 1080 and leave the cpu as is?

>messing with the 1050 ti
show me cards with similar performance running without a psu

>also radeon 7 being a rebrand
You are extremely stupid user. In fact the Radeon 7 is a unique configuration - neither the MI60 or MI50 have the same core/CU configuration as the radeon 7.

Not that what the Instinct chips are relevant for vidya as they are srs bsns cards.

4790K performs about as well as Ryzen in games, it's fine. A GTX 1080 is good enough for 1440p.

The 4790 is clocked lower than its K counterpart.

he's right. it takes amd minimum 3 years to get their cards performing how they should on launch day. meanwhile nvidia cards perform pretty much at max potential from day 1. go and look at any amd launch benchmark e.g. 480 vs 1060 and the 1060 was 12% ahead but now it's pretty neck and neck with margin of error on average. amd cards also have much better compute capability so they can extract more raw performance over time but at a cost of higher power draw. amd drivers suck and that's a fact. finewine doesn't exist it's just amd finally optimizing drivers to the where they should be 3 years before.

>still rocking a HD 7770
I really want and need to upgrade, but every month its literally the same, because I'm an extreme poorfag
>wow the new cards look good, I should get this midrange one
>too expensive
>lets look at the lower ranges
>end up not being worth it to upgrade/too shit
what the fuck do I do
This thing is going to blow up soon I can feel it

ROTATE THE FUCKING FAN

a 4790 at 1440p is fine because you'll be gpu bound at that resolution even with a gtx 1080 anyway unless the game is some complete garbage port

whatever you say buddy
someone post the bench

to where they should have been 3 years before*

It’s actually a K. I still need to look for an ok 1440p monitor too. Any recommendations for a reasonably priced one?

For a few months last year yeah. Overpowered had fucking whack laptop prices

144 Hz 15.6" IPS screen
GTX 1060 6 GB full size
Intel i7 8750H
16 GB RAM
1 TB HDD/256 SSD
Silent brown switch mechanical RGB keyboard
2 year warranty

All for $800
Using my laptop in bed has never been comfier. The Windows 10 install didn't even have any bloat ware to remove, just the software to control the keyboard and fans. Sure, I could probably build a PC with better specs for that price, but I don't mind paying a small premium for portability.

Read the article. I'm glad someone finally answered a question constructively.
Are MSI manufactured cards good?
Was looking at the MSI Radeon RX Vega56 Air Boost used on ebay and the price was quite nice.

all manufactures are OK(if they can replace a broken card) if you like the aesthetics of msi then go for it

>Intel answer to threadripper 32 core monstrosity with 56 core cpu
> It consume 400w
Remember when i9 tdp was rated at 95w but consume over 160w?

>Vega56 Air Boost
Only buy a blower vega card if you are going to rip the cooler off. A teeny tiny coaxial fan trying to cool a 300w monster isn't going to happen. There is a reason why the V64 has a liquid cooled version.

TDP is not power draw. They are related but its not 1:1 (remember TDP is a specification for cooling). That and Intel's TDP numbers are only cited for non AVX base clocks.

nigger anything is worth upgrading to, that shit belongs in a museum

Good for you.

FPS (frames per second) is not the same thing as refresh rate, user.

Can't tell if this is bait, but zotac makes shitty cards that come with shittier warranties. You should stick to msi/evga/gigabyte for gpus.

Yeah, I saw those V64 liquid cooled versions when looking for them refurbished. Might shell out a few extra bucks and get one of those.
Do I need to have an entire liquid cooling system or is it some kind of standalone liquid cooling system?

Wait for Navi and Intel GPUs to be revealed. Right now prices are kinda fucked since GTX 10 series are hard to find and RTX is overpriced.

Be patient user and don't let that boi blow up.

Get a RX 570 and get something like 6 times the performance (random guesstimation, but its going to be huge).

It is called mindshare.
So many people say it is the best, because for a few years it was the best. So people in the market decide to buy it and then they too start to spread the word that it is the best. Even if it is no longer the undisputed best, people will still say it is because that is what everyone else says.
It is the same with Intel. People will buy products that are 50-100% more expensive while only gaining maybe 10-15% more performance over the AMD alternative.

Basically, people are fucking retarded sheep and are incapable of forming their own opinion.

What is that laptop called? I wanna buy one if that's the real spec.

If you are about saving money just buy a V56 that has a proper cooler - the sapphire nitro cards for example will cool it just fine. Liquid cooling a cpu - even using a closed loop is entering a world of cost you probably don't need.

retard

Zotac are one of the best nvidia vendors moron

He's right.
Retard.

>4k 120hz
What model?

I'm not saving that much money. But yeah I don't feel like investing in a liquid cooled system just yet.
I'd want to be somewhat future proof but I don't need the highest tier cards.
Been using a GTX 770 since I built a PC back in 2014.
Would a Saphire nitro RX Vega64 be a good buy, too?

>1060
>mobile parts
>$800
yeah, you bet your ass you could
could probably manage to cram a 2070 in there for that price, never mind better cooling

overpowered, the Walmart gaming laptop

>the topic was >60Hz
>ABOVE
>60
>Hertzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Yes, and he was quite clear about which he meant.

People say it's the best because AMD's one competitive advantage(price performance) hasn't been relevant for over half a decade because of mining disproportionately inflating the price of their cards to the point there is none. And their last decent line in terms of price performance (7000-series) had some of the worst frametime problems ever seen outside of unreal engine 3 MMOs.

Acer Nitro XV273K. TFTCentral reviewed it highly and honestly its nearly the perfect monitor for me (sadly the perfect monitor doesn't exist yet, so whatever).

It can even be pushed to 144hz but that disables freesync so fuck that noice.

>VII
>52
>not 7
please kys child

>52
>not 7
well apparently they're the same in retard land where you're from
it's VII, not V+II

7 means 7nm

so its mobile?

>Walmart
Oh ok nevermind.

I'd spin her bottom fan if you know what I'm sayin'.

So you're just a regular faggot then?

>manual fan controls
fucking dropped

Marketing. Nvidia has the marketing game down to perfection, AMD doesn't. Want an example? Last time I saw my nephew and we talked about video games he asked me if my PC has Geforce. He has no clue about PCs and owns a PS4. I guess you either have a Geforce or nothing.

Also, never underestimate the number of PSUlets. The GTX 1050 ti is so popular because you can pop it into every OEM prebuild despite the RX 570 being cheaper and way more performant. Glad I could snag a Nitro + for $120.

I wish SJW's hadn't killed booth babes in the west,

No. The 7nm process AMD's gpu are built on is a high performance node.

>never underestimate the number of PSUlets
Jonnyguru (well, his site) is the hero we need.

brand loyality

what and their just holding onto the big cards?

radeon 7 is more of a proof of concept, navi is going to be a full scale 7nm series

The sad truth is those people don't give a shit about their PSU. They buy prebuilts with shitty 200w PSUs and pop a 75w card into it, if they even open their case at all.

Is it worth upgrading to a 1660 from my 1060 6gb? Don't really play any of the newer games that call for more demanding specs anymore.

No.

I have no idea what sort of reasoning could even lead you to ask that. No. Why? No. No.

>I don't really need an upgrade
>is it worth upgrading

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This You can get an RX570 for around 100 bucks new if you don't mind "mining" editions with only one video out. Pay 30 bucks more for a regular card if you you rock a multi monitor setup. RX570 is a steal at the moment and you'd have roughly GTX 1060 3G performance.

AMD is a complete meme unless you want a Cinebench machine.

Based
My Sapphire 390X is still kicking it too
>People laughed at me for paying release day
price for 8GB back when the 970 only had 3.5
Who's laughing now retards.

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>cinebench
>GPU
what did he mean by this

There is no bigger die available for regular plebs from AMD. The MI60 is AMD's big die for now and that is basically a hot clocked V64 with shitloads more memory (both capacity and bandwidth).

Nvidia split their big boy serious business architecture from their gaming focused one with maxwell - its why volta basically doesn't exist under the GTX range.

They are also the people that complain when they push their shit tier psus to exploding and blame everyone else.

>HD 7770
Now THIS is JUST

not that user but thanks, I have a similar issue with an AMD card and I use two monitors, guess I need to check how it all works with a single one

>have an r9 270x 2gb
>can't remember my cpu because haven't done anything with my computer almost 4 years ago other than clean it but I think the cpu might be bottlenecking my card
>want to upgrade but have lost a lot of my understanding of graphics cards and cpus
please help

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what are you talking about
it's a respectable 21.7% the performance of current budget cards. Or half a 1050. Non-ti.

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>run speccy
>read lettsers
>make brainings to understadnig

in what universe is it anywhere close to $100? It's AT LEAST $180 here.

Seems like the nitro+ mining edition for $100 is sold out on Amazon, take this for $10 more newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABRD70S4818&Description=rx 570&cm_re=rx_570-_-9SIABRD70S4818-_-Product

>>can't remember my cpu

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speccy a shit
use hwinfo

Heh. I was once a PSUlet.
>a few years ago
>replace old ATI (pre-merger) shit card with a 750Ti
>runs FFXI just fine (FFXI runs on a potato)
>finally start up game I bought 750Ti for
>30 seconds later, entire computer shuts down
>400W PSU and 3 spinny drives
>real graphics took just enough power to go over the limit
A 600W got me fixed up.

ray tracing is now on all cards after 1060.

how does it feel to fall for Nvidia tricks?

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oh no and I only said that because it's such a super secret hacker program you've unraveled my whole identity and purpose in life, whatever shall I do

This is damn fine advice. Speccy, Hwmonitor and many others are utter shit. HWinfo has support for just about everything.

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>ray tracing is now on all cards after 1060.
Yeah but runs like shit.

>those people don't give a shit about their PSU

Hey man, some of us just want a dirt cheap computer to play games on, a £150 workstation with a 1050Ti is ideal for us casual fags.

400w should have been fine if it were a quality PSU. People tend to overbuy MOAR WATSS when it's really a stable 12v rail they should look at. Also good ripple control so your parts will have a long and happy life.

Not arguing with that. The GTX 1050 ti is a fine card for that purpose. I still can't recommend it because it has terrible value.

what are you even on about?

I have no idea so I guess you're right. It's the only low profile decent card I could find though.

Thats the thing, people don't buy the sort of 400w units that can actually handle 400w at full load for long periods as they aren't cheap and PCMR retards think cheaping out on a psu is a good way to save money.

A good, quality PSU will last for a long fucking time. I bought a 750w super flower leadex gold unit in 2014 to power a 9370 and 290x - its still serving me today powering a shit overclocked R7 1700 and a radeon VII.

>start buying parts for a new pc
>suddenly get hit with financial troubles and will have a few parts laying under the bed for at least one month
>the more I read about pc building the more I regret every single choice I made on parts because everyone's either a retard or a shill
At least by the time I have money to keep building the new Ryzens will be close and I'll either get one or get a 2600x for a lower price I hope

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post parts so i can laugh about you

this
got mine for $330 a month ago feels bueno

Nice. Still running pic related myself.

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The thing is, this was an Antec horizontal "silent" case. Not like pic related, but an even older version with holes for floppy drives. It was a comfy case and I liked it. Well, Antec makes PSUs, so naturally they would make one in a non-standard form factor, plugs and switches on the wrong sides, etc. I think they even took pride in violating the ATX spec. When the original blew a few years before that, I had taken another 400W and crammed it into the old PSU metal because it was the easiest fix.
For the new PSU, I couldn't just do that. So I had to move shit around inside the case. And I had to get one of those Thermaltake PSUs with the extra cable length. The big problem was that the case had a tray for two floppy drives that sat over the PSU, and with a "normal" PSU inside that case, it covered the PSU fan. So no more comfy sound of a floppy drive grunting when the computer starts up, yeah I think I can live with that.
Hey, I like horizontal cases, what can I say? Some people like their computer to look like Vegas inside, I like my computer to sit on a living room shelf next to the home theater audio stuff.

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real graphics cards are thicc

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I've only used Linux since 2012.

AMD went from having the worst drivers on Linux to the best.

The open source AMD drivers are now the best on Linux.

Linux gaming has been better than ever since Valve has been pumping millions of dollars into it.

Wine+DXVK can play most Windows games.

Sekiro, Dark Souls 1/2/3, DMC5, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Monster Hunter World, Nier Automata, Ace Combat 7

All work on Linux, despite the developers giving no Linux support. Every big AAA Japanese title released this year worked day 1.

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If you're having money problems, now is not a good time to build a new PC user.

To be fair Nvidia seems to unfuck itself on Linux right now, or at least that's what I've heard. That fat faggot Gaben seems to really give Linux an edge, who would have fucking thought that.

They're temporary, a couple of job payments got delayed that's all. And on the bright side prices might always drop while I wait to get back on track.

Based

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Just saying, I closely follow Proton/Wine development and people posting issues, and I see tons of Nvidia-specific problems, and almost never any from AMD.

You are completely reliant on Nvidia to fix problems and give you updates.

That's proven to be worse than waiting for anyone in the entire world, including AMD, to fix stuff.

AMD also generously provides good documentation for open source driver developers.

Nvidia really doesn't like open source. Nouveau will forever be shit and if you're on a source based distro you're fucked.

I won't give you unsolicited advice but I have 6 months living expenses in the bank. So if I lose my job or whatever, I don't have to stress about it. It's a much nicer way to live even if my computer is not that great right now.

Nvidia fights tooth and nail again open source because it prevents them locking things down. The only reason they support freesync is because gsync has basically flopped. freesync screens outnumber gysnc ones something around 3:1. If Intel supports freesync (I bet they will) that will be a death sentence for gysnc on anything but the highest end screens.

oh no worries dude, I'm not tapping into my savings to buy a computer and I live with my parents anyways so I have a safety net. I only mentioned the money problems to give context as to why I'm panicking over reading posts over parts. My unsolicited advice is to make absolutely sure your clients aren't going to delay work by several weeks before you order a bunch of expensive equipment for the job

Oh cool. I used to do freelance bespoke eCommerce (magento) development, most clients would delay paying. It was a huge exercise in frustration... now I just have a normal job.

>a source based distro you're fucked.

The only source based distro is Gentoo and Gentoo derivatives.

I'm assuming you mean distros that don't provide any propreitary software by default, like Fedora or Debian?

You can install the Nvidia blob on any distro. It comes with problems that effect all distros though.

Breaks on newer Xorg/kernel upgrades, has to be reinstalled every kernel upgrade (without DKMS), until recently required a manually generated xorg.conf, you get 480p stretched ttys, no proper wayland or xrandr support, etc.

Some distros try to hide all this from you and make it easy and transparent though, like Manjaro or Ubuntu.

back in slashdot era nvidia had better driver support. if ive been running nvidia since 2002 with no problems i will instinctively trust nvidia, I am biased. i'd like to try new brands but when the time comes driver support for my apps is always poor, so why risk it? i need to go VR but ive got a 1070 already. after that i want to go 4k, or maybe even 8k. im going to buy whichever setup is the best, if it's ATI/radeon then so be it. I want to try new brands but if i look up the reviews and i see shitty support i will drop down to the closest nvidia and sleep very well.

then there's the idea that ATI goes with AMD. I would never think of putting an nvidia on an AMD system & I have no idea why.

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who knows. go an amd, allways had amd and before it was ati.
cant say there is any difference, since i never used nvidia. i only hear my friends constantly complaining about how expensiv their hardware was.
the customization might be an issue, for my current igpu i had to preserve ram, clock the ram, and build the entire pc build around amd.
i think the regular customer just cant be bothered with researching on their parts for a day and youtube some tutorials

>AMD please be competitive again
>so that I can buy cheaper Nvidia GPU
>instead of rewarding them for it

...and the cycle continue.

>muh nvidia drivers
>still have the windows xp control panel
get with the times grandpa

Fun video
youtube.com/watch?v=wHTdnIviZTE

I have enough money that I don't care about performance per dollar, I only care about raw performance. AMD can't compete in that sphere, in CPU or GPU markets.

Best bit is people who conform to that then complain when they get jewed and pin the blame on AMD.

Straight up its always AMD's fault.

both Nvidia and Intel have always provided better performance per price ratio on the high-end. Meanwhile AMD provides better bang for your buck on the lower end. If you wanted a powerful rig then for years and years Nvidia and Intel were the only option.

These days AMD's pretty much on par with Intel and Nvidia on the high-end and still better on the lower-end too. Nvidia and Intel are now trying to hang in there with gimmicks like the RTX or better integrated GPU while AMD is straight up destroying both with smaller and more efficient chips.

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