Post some hard to swallow vidya pills

Post some hard to swallow vidya pills.
Bonus points if you had to swallow them yourself.

I'll start:
As much as I love it, OoT is overrated and there's better games out there.

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Marketeers are part of Yea Forums and companies pay them to shill and integrate.

Yea Forums is the absolute worst board out there. You will never find a place full of children and actual marketers on top of off-topic threads beyond measure

That doesn't look too hard to swallow when it's just another form of advertising.

still better than reddit gaming boards.

>ads that can't be skipped
fuck right off

Fanservice does NOT improve a game. Neither does story. You've just been conditioned to think so by hollywood and AAA companies.

OOT is underrated & the only people who hate it are Zoomers or console war fags jealous at it's continued success.

Censorship and the desexualization of video games does not deal with SJWs. It is caused by video game companies who, due to years of corporate bullshittery, have to show profits to their shareholders every year. Because an easy way to make profits is to expand the user base, they try to tone down anything that would alienate potential buyers. The real target is unregulated capitalism.

>say opinion on Yea Forums
>get derailed and called a zoomer
>say opinion on /r/gaming
>discussions begin
and let's not forget that you don't have to wade through shit after shit just to find something good on reddit unlike Yea Forums

Now commence the butthurt. *picks up popcorn*

>Neither does story.
It does for me

Fromsoftware should stop making Hard games and go back to theirn gimmick games

>state opinion that goes against the grain about video games or the companies that made them
>get spammed with shitty gangweed memes
yea no thanks, you trannies can keep that cesspit.

Isn't that true for Yea Forums too?

I think the story thing is dumb.
No doubt there are plenty of games I can enjoy for their gameplay even with shit stories, but stories with good gameplay and story are much better.

Thing is it doesn't hide my post when other people don't agree with me here. Also a lot less faggots to jump on the echo chamber bandwagon.

Not typically. Any controversial opinion is met with equal shit flinging from both sides. I guess you call that a discussion.

Close, but IMO Yea Forums still manages to be slightly worse.

Story is nothing more than a justification as to why you're platforming or shooting or grinding monsters for EXP. It's background noise and shouldn't overtake the actual game, otherwise you're left with a walking simulator that needs to push the gameplay to the side to showcase the "artistic narrative".

they don't recycle memes 24/7 like Yea Forums with wojaks so that makes them 10 times better

>what is bane posting

Fighting games and MMOs are universally garbage
E sports and Speedrunning are fucking stupid.

You're right, Twilight Princess is superior in every way

What are you talking about? They post frogs and wojaks all the time.

>and shouldn't overtake the actual game
I agree with that, but it does help you getting involved in a game where the gameplay is actually the main selling point.

Borderlands 3 has the potential to be good.
and if other "looter shooters" Like Anthem and Destiny incorporated a lot of its mechanics into their own gameplay they would be so much more successful then they are.

Namely a story that lasts more then 5 hours and loads more weapons.

Video games are just electronic reflex tests unless they have some kind of justification. You're not doing anything meaningful, you're just pushing buttons on a keyboard or controller and watching the screen light up in a way that says you did good. Every single video game is dependent on its story, because otherwise we would realize they were complete wastes of time.

what about games like danganronpa/ace attorney where the story is funatmental to the gameplay?
>inb4 danganronpa/ace attorney are not a games

>muh wojak boogeyman
Most of reddit "discussion" is filled with memes and circlejerking about references.

Tons of people on this board literally don't believe shills exist (and that all accusers are paranoid conspiracy theorists) so it kind of is.

I don't understand why there aren''t more games with tradition action rpg combat.

I love the scale and worlds of mmos especially ones where you can build your own towns or ships and all that shit, but they for the most part have trash combat.

4channers nowadays are so dumb they call millenials boomers

Visual Novels and "walking simulators" are videogames.

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Please. Name 10 videogame stories worth wasting your time on. Most of them are the literary equivalent of Saturday morning cartonos.

The really hard to swallow pill is that Yea Forums used to love both Borderlands although the latter's cringy writing eventually got the better of most of us.

Of course it also became ridiculously popular with reddit so...

VR in it's current form is a gimmick

The boomer/zoomer meme started out as something different, but it devolved into a weaker version of virgin vs chad, but they're both virgins masquearading as Chad. Also, no one wants to address the elephant in the room. Both of them are literally edits of the brainlet wojak. By identifying with one of them, you're essentially admitting you're a brainlet.

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Ok I’ll bite.

By “discussion” you mean the same praising opinion circle jerked to hell and back while every other opinion is downvoted into oblivion. I’m not saying that every discussion needs Yea Forums tier contrarian levels of shitposting but at least once in a while those negative opinions do hold something true about the game it self. I would rather have both sides have their say at things instead of just every “discussion” boiling down into mindless cocksucking.

It's okay to not buy games you don't like.

Story in video games shouldn't be an issue as long as it's not the justification for why you're playing. The game should naturally compel you to continue because the gameplay is fun, intuitive, and has an upward skill curve.It's a problem when the game is boring and you only push yourself to keep playing because you want to know what happens next in the story. In an interactive medium, the non-interactive parts shouldn't be the main attraction.

They would get a pass only if their game mechanics would be fun on their own. Otherwise you're left with mediocrity hiding behind the plot, much like how cheap JRPGs rely on filler and waifus and pretty set pieces instead of compelling combat or inventory management. For that matter, I'm neutral regarding Ace Attorney and Dangan.

The world would genuinely become a better place if we ban the internet and video games.

Super Mario bros
sonic the hedghod
halo: matter cheif
half life
gears of war
sonic spinball
madden 2012
call of duty
bubsy 3d
mortal combat

all compeltely meaningless wastes of time if it weren't for the story telling you your bing bing wahoo button presses were meaningful.
literally every game is like ethis.

2's writing was cringey for sure, and I don't know about the others cause I didn't play em.
But I don't mind a bit of cringe as long as the gameplay and rest of the game is good.
I think 3 has a good chance to be really great.

Yea Forums is worse then reddit in most cases.
There might be some circle jerking over there, but there is still circle jerking over here, its just we scream at eachother while doing it and block keep half the people trying to jerk it out of the circle anyway.

As much as I want it, even if Nintendo made a new F-Zero it would be utter dogshit compared to X and GX

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Nintendo needs to snap out of their shit and figure out online multiplayer as a whole.

They can still keep their quircky colorful games and shit, most are great, but they NEED to figure out online for their games that do have it.

The game isn’t based though.

Trading out summoning for incredibly easy to cheese bosses doesn’t make your game any better, it just makes it different.

You can run around bosses and literally wait for an attack pattern to happen, attack, and then rinse and repeat.

Not to mention all the bosses you don’t even have to fight because the AI is braindead.

Snake Eyes getting caught on the cliff face, Sever Spears stair trick, the poison swamp gun lady literally STANDING in yhe poison swamp...

The game is a joke, and it easily has the worst lore of the entire series.

No gods to kill, no new gear making exploration worthwhile, no skill builds.

You’re just a fucking weeb

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I think a lot of games have nicer stories than people want to admit.

If a game is advertised in an overly cinematic way it is literally never worth playing

also very very few games live up to the vision of their developers because people play games for such a short amount of time that if they spend too long polishing it up and adding all the intended content it isn't worth the publishers' money.

I like fanservice and therefore it can improve a game from my point of view.

If you play more than 2 AAA games per year, you don't know shit about videogames

Especially when they prioritize fanservice over everything else.

I heard DOAX3's minigames aren't very good, and didn't neptunias early games have overly complicated autoitem systems?

Creating OC just for the sake of making OC is the worst way of doing it, especially if your only objective is pushing out stuff people still use only because you don't like it.
If you have to be successful you have to follow the path which very meme has taken: Blatantly force it everywhere or hope it explodes as a fad

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based but only if we also get rid of air travel and replace it with intercontinental bridges

I've never understood the appeal of F-Zero.

Smash Bros is a fighting game, even if it's more for chaotic fun than it is competitive balance. I don't know what it is about this that cause some anons to absolutely seethe whenever it's mentioned alongside other fighting games. It has a bit of a shit community in some ways, sure, but I dunno. I think people just tend to make a mountain out of a molehill over it.

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Any guest character that a lot of fans want to see in a fighting game is going to suck. the developers know better how to incorporate characters into these games

he said VIDYA, stupid facebook tourist.

Baneposting is the greatest meme of all time though. Come back to me when Wojak causes real life plane crashes or inspires pornos.

Donkey Kong is the most consistently good Nintendo franchise

Zelda games gets way too much freebie points. And this is coming from someone who enjoyed BotW. Was it a good game? Yeah. Was it a mindblowingly amazing game? Not really. There are things in there that can be made better. Shit that makes you wish for a sequel. But god forbids you even bring up anything little negative opinion before fans goes rabid.

Valve and Bioware have never made a good game.

But are you playing the game for the gameplay, or the fanservice? If the latter, then you can get the same experience on youtube for 0 dollars.

baneposting is some forced unfunny shit.
hurr durr big guy for yew XDD

>As much as I love it, OoT is overrated and there's better games out there.
Spot the zoomer; The reason why OoT was "overrated" when it first came out is because it revolutionized how a lot of games were played

Somebody get this hothead outta here!

pepe got a president elected buddy

Hate it all you want but it will never get to the normie levels like Pepe ever did.

Japanese have failed the fighting game genre.
It seems like every week there is another gamebreaking bug discovered that has to be banned until patched, they still won't update their netcode despite even Indies running better, they've killed neutral with shit like superdash and slowing walkspeeds to a snail's pace, they have higher input lag on average despite shilling esports, and they harvest a community that is devolving into nothing but mindless waifufags who literally bend over every time a Japanese crosses their path so the Japs can walk all over them.
I refuse to buy Japanese fighters until they at least fix netcode and neutral. Koreans are based though

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98% of shill accusations are false though. People screaming "SHILL" for an indie game that's been released for over a year ago makes them look retarded. This site is full of schizos that don't go outside and think that everyone is trying to get them.

Never played BotW, but it's insane how highly regarded games like WW, TP and SS are. A lot of Zelda fanboys see these as the epitome of video games when they're two good games and one shit one.

>smash bros community
I don't understand them and I'm one of them. they seem to want anything boring to be banned from the game which encourages people not to play competitively. the latest game has so much potential but they're trying to come up with rulesets to make it so that you can avoid playing on almost all stages if you like because they want to make sure the stage doesn't favour the character at all as if that's something you're supposed to balance around in the first place. before we know it the stages that are allowed will be so commonplace that any exploits that work with certain characters that get found on those stages won't result in the stages being banned and then people will play as those characters and the cycle of banning everything to make the game as predictable as possible will never end
this 100%. zelda is just one of those series that you'll look stupid for not liking so everyone has to praise it or their opinions on other vidya are automatically discredited.
I think a lot of zelda fanboys don't play a lot of other RPGs and exploration-focused games

>It seems like every week there is another gamebreaking bug discovered that has to be banned until patched
huh? I agree with the general sentiment though, it's absolutely embarrassing that they have trash netcode for the sole reason they refuse to use something 3rd party

>but it's insane how highly regarded games like WW, TP and SS are. A lot of Zelda fanboys see these as the epitome of video games when they're two good games and one shit one.
You would understand if you were old enough to have played them when they first came out.

I feel u bro

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Constantly talking about how much you dislike Western games/engines/society doesn't make you an interesting person.

Sonic was never good and has only been kept alive because of furry trash and OC donut steel autism.
The only games that are remotely "decent" are the Genesis ones, everything after - or during such as spinoffs and whatnot - has been complete and utter shit and frankly it's astonishing that one of the big videogame faces has subsisted after having such an abysmal track record.

PSVR is the only headset worth your time

I'm 30, none of those games are even old. Honestly WW is one of the top reasons I bought a gamecube and I genuinley enjoyed sailing around and looking for new islands with the telescope but there's no denying the game has some major flaws. It's still a great game but there's no defending that nearly empty ocean and the triforce hunt. TP is also good but has some terrible weapons/items and some dull dungeons. It also relied far too heavily on OoT nostalgia.

SS is just straight shit, played most of the game and dropped it because it was too damn dull. The ship stage and the "Stealth" sections were neat.

the first one wasn't anything special. sonic 2 and 3 were the only masterpieces of the series. sonic advance 3 was actually almost as good though [/spoiler]it wasn't made by Sonic Team

every video game is a glorified skinner box

>Adventure 1 and 2 exist
>Riders exists (fuck the sequels tho)
Way to prove your autism there, bud

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consoles are pretty forgettable and a PC is the best option overall (emulators and mods and no shitty framerates)

We know.
Remember they aren’t allowed to use curse words.
Except rockstar shills oddly enough

Video games will never be good again.

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True
Personally I just want video games to go back to Porno style
It’s all about the action
Sure there’s a story but it’s written on a cocktail napkin by some unpaid intern when we we’re 90% done with the game already

Yea Forums is full of trannies and traps. Why? Trap threads stay up even when you attempt to report them.

Videogames are no longer a reason to keep living

Yea Forums is progressively getting worse and worse.

if mods actually did something about console war shit, it would not be so bad.

SJW don't have anything to do with videogames and i am just a angry man baby who think is a big brain boy

at least Yea Forums is actually funny, any subreddit you visit is filled with unfunny normies circlejerking for internet points. Very little good discussion happens there

You don't even have to stop there. I think objectively the advance series and rush are pretty good, and personally I thought the kart racers were better than mario kart and shadow was pretty fun with how over the top it was. I would also argue it's hard to say it's surviving right now, only thing decent recently was mania which is basically a fan made genesis game; generations is insanely overrated and is only praised because it's mediocre in a sea of trash.

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New as fuck.

2019 has had a super strong start. New Ace Combat, DMCV, Sekiro, RE2, Risk of Rain 2, and probably a few more games.

There’s legit shills for big shit like MK11 or RDR2 but piss broke indie devs or niche games likely aren’t shills.

Video games are ripe for experimentation and stuff like walking sims and depression quest are necessary for growth in the medium.

Halo didn't ruined all the other games.
Producers that failed to understand Halo that did.

Also casual gamers didn't ruined games.
Producers that failed to understand casual gamers that did.

Fuck off arin. I hope a clam murders you.

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i love that game too, but of course there's better games out there, it's just plainly outdated, TP does everything OoT did but way better, and I prefer OoT over TP.

Witcher 3's Gameplay is as deep as a puddle, and fucking unfun to play, it's only redeeming quality might be the plot, but I wouldn't know as I keep dropping it after 3 hours of playing.

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Objection!
I have evidence pointing to all of them just being faggots

I'd agree with you if walking sims brought any sort of innovation or actual experimentation. They are the blandest, safest form a videogame can take.

Symphony of the Night is good but overated. It's the PS1 equivalent of OoT in that its a very good but flawed game that its fans wont accept anything less than 11/10 masterpiece that did nothing wrong and can't handle any criticism for.

Kill yourself

where do i sign up?

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>"Fighting game inputs are incredibly easy to perform and learn."
>Fucks up the DP movement by posting it backwards
You really don't have any place to call others "fucking stupid". This isn't just a casual mistake either; Knowing the movement is hugely pivotal to almost ALL tournament fighters in general. What a dumbass.

Agreed, but I think there's room for them. They're piss-easy to make and semi-popular enough to get a little bit of innovation. Here's hoping they can be something other than eye candy.

The only big innovation Ocarina brought was a better than most at the time lockon system.
Everything else was just Link to the Past but in 3D.

Not only is Smash so popular because of its crossover aspect, but because it's a direct improvement on the traditional fighting game formula, ditching complicated inputs for more movement-oriented tech.

Fuck off tranny.

Phil Spencer will never deliver

People who used to browse Yea Forums are gone.
Now it's 90% reddit, resetera, tumblr crowds and new 16-20 year olds.

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oh ya op? if its so overrated then name me 33 games that are better right now

I figured most SotN fans realized how flawed the game was. Navigating the upside down castle is a pain and the game's difficulty is a joke, you have to go out of your way not to break the game.

Still, the game has a ton of soul and was a great Metroidvania when there wasn't a ton out at the time.

Ok

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Twitch Plays Pokemon was the last time the internet will ever be fun without it also being awful

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Here's a pill for ya
In the next year, 1990 will be 30 years ago

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>thinks spamming this proves or means anything whatsoever

>"Just get better at the game" is a completely valid thing to say to someone complaining about difficulty.

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its okay user because 1980 will be 40 next year

Stamina bars ruined action games.

Yea Forums is the singlehandedly worst place to ask for an opinion of anything, they have put so many masks and are under so many layers of irony you can't genuinely tell how much of this is honesty and how much is just to get (You)'s

Halo 3, "finish the fight", has a final boss which is a small robotic sphere that shoots a tiny laser at you. Let that sink in

Video games can distract you but will never fill the void inside of you that comes from being alone and unloved.

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>the day Warframe removed the stamina system
Good god it's like the game doubled in speed.

Knight classes are typically the best
Tank/DPS/Healer trinity is a bad formula for MMOs
STR > Quality > DEX
Spears are criminally underrated in games and always will be
Games about Romans are undoubtedly shit

Sonic the Hedgehog was never good. It was also a more style, less substance version of Mario. The only actually good Sonic game is Sonic R.

Pokémon turned to shit in Rube/Sapphire/Emerald and beyond. The mechanics in the original games were glitchy, but they had more heart and creativity, and the series became creatively bankrupt after Crystal was released.

Dark Soul 1 & 2 do suck, but not for the reasons most people think. There is actually a lot wrong with their method of storytelling, game design, and stage philosophy that renders it moot. They didn't really fix these things until DS 3/Bloodborne

Skyward Sword was the last good Zelda game. Anyone who claims to hate SS but loves OoT or WW are hypocrites, and the rest of the fanbase that hates SS are typically plebbitfags who are riding off of the Skyrim train.

Silent Hill 2 is the worst written SH, and probably the absolute worst written horror game in general. Not JUST because repressed memories is proven to be false and bad story-telling, but because using these elements inspired thousands of creators to ruin their own horror games by basing their shit off of SH2.

MMOs are shit now and forever will be shit. The only reason they were popular back in the day was because they were chat rooms. With the advent of Skype, Discord, etc, the need for a $60 + Subscription based chat room has died off. This is why nobody talks to each other while playing the game.

Any game that has a new entry 10 or more years after the last known activity of that series will 100% be a shitty nostalgia cash grab.

user was right: Fun is a buzzword. Games aren't supposed to be fun. They're supposed to be challenging. Deriving fun from a game is a side-effect from people with brain problems that get fun from completing challenges. That's why people complain and give a shit when a game is made easier.

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Red Dead Redemption is boring because there's almost nothing new or fresh to do with the dull cowboy era

Attaching "Zelda" to any game will get it GotY regardless of it's actual quality

I'll say it.

Turn based RPGs should be dead, they're OUTDATED, and were a product of their time. The only reason they were turn based was the limitations of hardware. Now that we have great games like Tales of series, ninokuni. Shit like Octopath and pokemon need to move on to a more modern gameplay system.

I loved ff4,6, TTA, and LGE, but enough is enough, it's time for an upgrade. Don't even @ me, I won't respond and don't care about boomers reactions to this.

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If your PC can play games from 2009 well enough, there's little reason to update your PC as you can already play the overwhelming majority of the platform's worthwhile classics.

Turn-based allows for complex strategizing.

I got 3:

Minecraft didn't get worse with an update or series of updates. You got older. The fact of the matter is that Minecraft is a game that you spend hundreds of hours on building your ideal world by yourself or with friends until you achieve the majority of what you want, try a few hard things like kill the Wither or Ender Dragon, and then stop for a period of time until you get the urge to play again. This cycle repeats itself until you are in your early to mid twenties and/or realize you can't put 5+ hours a day into it any more to get what you want out of it. From there you try to justify your nostalgic views until you hit this point. Hunger Update fags are the worst case of this and most of them weren't even around during the time prior.

Quake-like AFPS games don't die because "muh hard skills". CS is hard. DOTA/LoL are hard. RTS games are hard. Fighting games are hard. Hell, even Rocket League is hard. AFPS games die and will never make a comeback because gittun gud at them is incredibly boring and tedious. Say what you will about Halo and the MCC coming to PC soon, but there is more on offer than the entirety of QL or QC combined. Nobody wants to spend hours learning map layouts and timing when to grab the, RL, red shirt, and blue orb. Every single normal-fag I've ever shown the genre to replies with something along the lines of, "That's nice, but it doesn't look like there's much on offer beyond shooting dudes"

If you are over 25 and spend more than 5+ hours combined watching anime/TV, on social media sites like Yea Forums, Reddit, and Tumblr, and/or playing vidya all while making less than 75k a year, you are wasting your Goddamn. I guarantee if we go through your life you are lacking whether it be career, relationships, health, or whatnot. People that try to counter-argue that this means we can only live a boring life are some of the biggest copers on this website trying to find any way to justify their current life.

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I don't ask for anything more than that

2D, not a surefire thing. 3D, absolutely.

Only fun turn based games I played was Super Mario RPG and Parasite Eve (if that one even counts)

I think you mean JRPGs

No everything just takes forever. Enjoy your 100+ hour Dragon Quest games hearing the same battle theme over and over

>broke indie devs or niche games likely aren’t shills.
dude. they shill here all the fucking time but get blasted by Yea Forums because how apparent they are.

>hey is this game worth it?
>what are some games that X genre (shows screenshot of indie game)
>this is a game i'm working on (replies his own post multiple times saying keep up the good work or this looks good)
>makes a thread about his game (get people to posts on it and magically the dev appears)

indie devs are just as bad.

Not him but pause the screen while playing a real time jrpg.
There.
You got your time for "complex strategizing"

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>You got older
This has always been a dumb argument. There are a shit ton of games I can continue to play from the old days that are good. New players can also pick up new games and new updates and accurately pick out what's wrong with them.

>and will never make a comeback because gittun gud at them is incredibly boring and tedious
No, they die because people just move on to the Next New Thing™ and wherever the money goes. Skills at FPS are generally transferable, so it takes less and less time to git gud.

>If you are over 25 and spend more than 5+ hours combined watching anime/TV[...]
I work so I can afford the free time to play games. The only way I would work harder to make more money is because I want to work less time, which isn't going to really be possible with most jobs that have that high of a pay check, especially in this modern day and age.

In short; You're a brainlet redditer.

>The only actually good Sonic game is Sonic R.
The first Sonic Riders is a better racing game.

>Skyward Sword was the last good Zelda game.
ALBW was good. Not necessarily innovative, but it was good. I do agree that SS is overhated, though.

>Any game that has a new entry 10 or more years after the last known activity of that series will 100% be a shitty nostalgia cash grab.
Megaman 9 is the best classic MM, it's basically 2 if that game actually lived up to its legacy.

Get ready I have a lot.
>Nintendo is the only triple A company that cares about their consumers and the Switch is evident that they're listening and learning to what fans want
>Rare has never been shit, the only "bad" games they've made with MS have been the Kinect sports games
>Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts is fucking fantastic and you're blinded by nostalgia for the first two games if you think otherwise
>You don't have to be into Zelda to be big Nintendo fans
hell I don't enjoy Zelda much myself, only ever enjoyed BOTW and Majoras Mask and BOTW is the one I continue playing to this day
>Dark Souls isn't hard, it was memed up by journalists and used as a marketing tactic
>Games don't have to be hard as nuts to be fun, as long as the mechanics are enjoyable a game can still be fun (Yoshi's Crafted World is an example of this, I've been enjoying the fuck out of it)
>Kirby is a soulless franchise with boring gameplay mechanics made even worse by baby level difficulty
>Games CAN be hard and don't need an easy mode, accessibility is about control options and helping people with disabilities use controllers/screens better, not making games easier.
>Mario Sunshine is flawed but fantastic, you just suck
>Zelda OoT is bland and generic compared to the games that came after but set in stone the Zelda formula for years to come
>Every Sony controller is too small and uncomfortable, with PS4 being the only remotely tolerable controller.
>Xbox One controller is too rigid and sharp, a straight downgrade from the 360
>Melee was outclassed by Brawl and Brawl Wii U, and Wii U Ultimate. Smash only gets better with new entries.
>Sonic games have never been more than mediocre, you're just nostalgia blind
>Nintendos online is tolerable and most companies use P2P anyway instead of dedicated servers its just your connection. Use a Wire and chances are you'll be fine.
>Digital games are the cancer killing the gaming industry
>Cartridges are the way forward, not blueray
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Siege has some real autistic level memorization to it due to the whole 1 shot headshot thing and people peeking out of random windows, yet the game is still real popular.

I've never seen a real good awnser as to why AFPS died. I think normalfags just only like games that are based in "realism". Something like Quake just doesn't appeal to them. I've seen people say fortnite would be good if it didn't use cartoonish graphics.

Das alotta bait.

You're a schizo, people like you just assume someone is shilling and call it a "victory". I've been called a shill multiple times just for talking about a game on a video games board.

>Cartridges are the way forward, not blueray
Care to elaborate on this please?

Yea Forums is like Yea Forums except with girls and somehow shittier mods and janitors

>Say what you will about Halo and the MCC coming to PC soon, but there is more on offer than the entirety of QL or QC combined.
>Nobody wants to spend hours learning map layouts and timing when to grab the, RL, red shirt, and blue orb
That's literally competitive Halo. It's just an Unreal/Tribes clone that got tweaked a little so you could play it with a gamepad.

Not him, but carts run way, WAY faster than discs do, and now they can hold as much space as an actual blu-ray can in a much, much smaller size. There is no reason past the year 2012 to keep using disc-based formats.

The whole "East vs West" mentality is really stupid. I feel that limiting yourself to only games released in the US, or only games from Japan just makes you miss out on all the good things made by both of these countries. I'd say it applies to all countries in general when it comes to games.

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>The only reason they were turn based was the limitations of hardware.
why do zoomers ALWAYS try to push this lie when they're complaining about turn-based combat? japan has been making action rpgs since the '80s. hardware limitations were never a factor.
just admit that you don't like turn-based because you're a zoomer who needs constant button-mashing and flashy action at all times in order to not get bored. don't talk out of your ass about the history of a genre to try to justify it to yourself.

>This has always been a dumb argument.
Meanwhile Minecraft is still doing well despite the "What killed Minecraft" threads that pop up here constantly. You do know you can download older versions, right? Yet this never seems to be addressed because if people actually wanted this they would take it. Instead they choose to use nostalgia as a way to justify their experience with the game. What exactly is so wrong with the game nowadays?

>Next New Thing™
There have been plenty of new AFPS games that die almost immediately. People still play CS 1.6 more than they do QL or QC. CS:GO itself is based of a 20yo franchise and is still in the top 5 games on Steam. Even before it went F2P. With more fucking technical issues and matchmaking problems.

>I work
You cope. What interesting life do you live playing vidya 5+ hours a day and browsing Yea Forums?
>inb4 y r u here?
Boredom

>hiro switches to 4channel for ads
>companies have been shilling for free by making threads and hype for years
s m h

Compare hdd to sdd

Aren't most games installed onto the console's hdd nowadays? Sorry I'm a digital only brainlet.

having been to reddit this user couldn't be anymore right. oh and hope you enjoy being hidden with all those downvotes for expressing your own opinion. it's mostly circlejerking only

>Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are overrated and control terribly compared to other Mario games
>Mario 3D land is generic and too easy
>Mario 3D World is fun, creative and challenging
>Mario Soundtracks: 3D World > Galaxy > Odyssey > Sunshine
>Paper Mario went to shit long before Sticker Star, Super Paper Mario's gameplay is boring, floaty, and soulless.
>Motion controls don't suck, the Wii's IR pointer did.
>Better specs does not equal better games
>Games that focus on soley telling a story and not on making engaging gameplay aren't good and a cancer on the industry.
>Miyamoto is old and senile, it's a blessing Koizumi took over the Mario franchise.
>Metroid isn't as interesting as Yea Forums pretends it is
>Retro Studio's Donkey Kong games are better than Metroid Prime, and DKCR 3 should've happened before Metroid Prime 4 was given to them
>2D Mario stopped being creative after World, Yoshi's Island spun off a better and more interesting platformer series, as did Donkey Kong Country
>Kiddie Kong doesn't suck and doesn't deserve the bad reputation he's gotten
>Games ARE art but some of them are bad art
>Realistic graphics are ugly and will always be ugly, games with style will remain timeless no matter the age. Wind Waker is a good example of that, and in 10 years Cuphead will be looked back on in the same way.
>Undertale has a good soundtrack but would've been better as a VN because the overworld has zero reason to exist
>Kojima is a hack and Konami firing him made perfect business sense no matter how badly they handled it

(2/2) thats it, my hottest takes

Overwatch is a good game but its locked to a garbage play system and won't ever meet its potential

Nintendo hasn't been a AAA dev since the Wii, in part because of their consistent reliance on budget hardware but also because they're just too good with their budgets and their games don't cost as much as modern AAA efforts, which is hardly a bad thing. These days, they're really more like the highest profile AA dev out there.

I feel like I've finally grown out of video games

Now I've lost one of the few things I enjoy and there's not much left. Can't tell if this is a good or bad thing.

It is, and it should not even be taken as an offense, because you're literally saying "i believe you're capable of improving yourself".

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>Nintendo is the only triple A company that cares about their consumers

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PS5 will be even bigger than PS4 even with Chinese style censorship.

care to explain? Xbox is slowly getting their but they lack the passion in their games that Nintendo does. Feels less personal and more corporate, carefully calculated by some dumbfuck marketers rather than people wanting to make something they'd like to play.

>Meanwhile Minecraft is still doing well despite the "What killed Minecraft" threads that pop up here constantly.
Above all the other points I'm about to raise here, this one is easily the most reddit. This is like "How do we save the horror genre?" threads. They don't post the threads like that because they believe this, it's because it tricks retards on Yea Forums into actually posting. Everyone here wants to "help", or they want to play armchair CEOs. That's why people don't address what's actually wrong with the game/genre.

>There have been plenty of new AFPS games that die almost immediately.
Yeah, they're new things, but not the Next New Thing™. And people will always be playing older games. There's still a very dedicated crowd playing Samurai fucking Showdown, which is a technical (but flashy) mess. Also, about CS:GO, there's a reason I said "They follow the money". There are huge CS:GO tournaments with prize pools all the time.

>You cope
YOU cope. I intentionally live this way because I'm happy and content, and it's what I want to do.
>What interesting life do you live playing vidya 5+ hours a day and browsing Yea Forums?
What do you expect me to say here to make you think I live an interesting life? Tell you I fuck blow and snort hookers on Yachts? Spend 70+ work hours per week running 100 different companies? Married life? What do you define as interesting here, and what makes you think I'll find that equally as interesting as you do? I just want to lie in the sun all day.

That's absolutely right. There's no "discussion" about games on reddit. There's no room for criticism, and it's almost impossible to see a post praising a game using actual arguments.
The only reason to use reddit for videogames is for ones that you already like, that aren't that popular and lack a proper wiki or dedicated site.

Do you just find them boring or do you feel compelled to stop playing them because it feels like the thing to do?

Okay so whats the difference between here and there then

Digital-only? Yes. Disc-based: Most of it, but some is still read off the disc.

But the fact of the matter is the mere fact that it installs at all is proof that the game console can't keep up with the disc system.

Probably good if you're really insecure and self loathing about spending a lot of time with media like most of Yea Forums

Probably bad if you're filling that time with Yea Forums/sm and have zero desire to improve or try new things

Too early to tell. Nintendo's gaining traction in the industry again with Switch while Microsoft is setting themselves up nicely for next gen by buying studio after studio. Sony coasted by this gen because they fucked up but hubris seems to be creeping back in based on their recent actions. Momentum from PS4 could still carry it decently far but this time around Nintendo and Microsoft seem to be taking much more competitive stances than the laughing stocks that WiiU and Xbone were.

You can get actual discussion about videogames like 1% of the time.

Half the industry is held up by marketers.
Marketing is about finding the smallest viable market and marketing exclusively to them in order to foster the most growth in your business. Starbucks has been doing this type of thing for ages, so has Apple.

What makes for good, effective marketing is to push new ideas to a compatible market so they'll buy your shit.

The best tactic as a producer is to give them what they want and much more of it than they even know what to with. Go to extremes with it. Go crazy. Give them so much shit that they just don't know what to do with all of it and don't stop there, take everything to the extreme.

Through marketing, this tactic is applied to ideas in order to get people to give your product the time of day.

Unfortunately, in the late 2010s this has led to companies and corporations exploiting consumer's personal biases and blowing them up to psychotic extremes by pushing increasingly hypertrophied ideas so that people will buy their products.

Marketing literally teaches you that the consumer is:
>Not a rational decision maker
>Does not make long term decisions
>Ignores information that runs counter to their beliefs

In order to give consumers what they want you have to target to all three of their needs. The last one is why there is so much progressive politics in video games and media in general.

Not even the SJWs are free from the system.

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I don't get hidden for speaking my mind. and the benefits of user I can criticise a game and change my mind later without getting called out for it because it's tied to my username. Plus despite all the shitposting there's some good threads where people will disagree and agree with you, that doesn't happen on reddit as often as you think. try saying something Like witcher 3 is a little disappointing and you will never get a response/hate reply and be hidden.

triace went mobile.
star ocean festa is this month, and no news about a new star ocean, neither any threads on /v

...

/v has become /r gaming.

>Above all the other points I'm about to raise here, this one is easily the most reddit.
Didn't answer my question. Not an argument

>Yeah, they're new things, but not the Next New Thing™
The MCC or WoW Classic are not the Next New Thing™ yet people talk more about them than they ever did QC. As for tourney money, QC had a million dollar prize pool. Are you suggesting the only reason 300,000+ people play LoL, DOTA, and CS:GO is that they all wanna be the next "pro" player?

>YOU cope. I intentionally live this way because I'm happy and content, and it's what I want to do.
Like I said, you aren't living up to any real potential and expand into more interesting areas of your life.

>What do you expect me to say here
All those reasons are massive fucking copes for the boring life you live. What other hobbies do you have besides vidya and are good at? Do you have any interesting stories that you could share about yourself? You really enjoy the same retarded bullshit conversations on fucking Yea Forums of all places?

Not him, but every once in awhile, I try to go to reddit to sort of "keep in touch" with the outside world and all that. Every single time I've gone to reddit, even when there aren't circle jerks like the other anons describe it, I always feel like the quality of discussion and intelligence of the general posts there are far, far lower than that I would find on Yea Forums. Even in peaceful, quiet sub-reddits, I feel like there's this severe lack of self-awareness or critical thinking on the discussion. It's very surreal, but also is quite boring walking into a board and feeling like the smartest poster there.

I tend not to stay on reddit for longer than a day during these sessions.

Nintendo is just as bad as Sony in many ways, but because they still cater to kids they have to be nice about it.

Yea Forums and Yea Forums are way worse. Yea Forums is especially atrocious. Yea Forums is at least self aware.

We will never go back to the ps2/Xbox/GameCube/N64/ps1 era.

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Dark Souls 3 is absolute fucking garbage.
Dark Souls 2 isn't perfect, but it's better than people give it credit for.
Mass Effect 3 is a great game up until the ending.

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>Not even the SJWs are free from the system.
You sound retarded

Counterpill, handhelds from the last decade were an extension of that very era in general.

Ultra Street Fighter 4 is the best fighting game that has ever been created.

Metroid other M isn't the abominable game people meme it as. It's only real crime was the writing. Caring this much about the story-side of Nintendo IP is genuinely fucking retarded.

Nintendo seems pretty content ripping off their rabid fans. Their online service is still a joke and they struggle to get games developed for their consoles because of the power difference between them and the PS4.

Das2 is worse than 3.

>care to explain?
nintendo's greed is only rivaled by microsoft and ea. they treat their customers like dogshit.
for example, just look at how they treated their most loyal customers who actually bought the wii u. first, they strung wii u owners along with game droughts and empty promises for years while they were setting up the switch's launch behind the scenes. then, the switch comes out and most of its library is full-priced wii u ports. and then as the final insult, wii u owners don't even get a discount on those ports as a reward for staying loyal when nintendo was at rock bottom. how can people say nintendo cares about their customers when they've done nothing but fuck over their most loyal customers?
nintendo sees nothing wrong with charging $70 for cardboard, $60 for shovelware with no content like super mario party and yoshi's crapped world, $50 for mew, and $20/year for the worst online system on the market with no built-in voice chat and still using friend codes in 2019. the wii u with free online had miiverse and virtual console. the switch with paid online has neither of those features.
as a piece of hardware, the switch is cheap shit that is purposely designed to milk even more money out of you for peripherals that are sold separately. the joycons are flimsy garbage on purpose in order to make you buy a $70 pro controller to play the games the way they were meant to be played. want smash's online to just be bad instead of abysmal? that'll be $50 for a lan adapter. want to use voice chat in splatoon? prepare to pay $30 for a special "splat and chat" adapter so you can plug in your headphones AND your smartphone to use nintendo's ridiculous mobile app.
i could go on and on, but those are just some examples of nintendo's anti-consumer bullshit that wouldn't fly if it was any other company.

>3D capcom fighter
>best of anything

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Halo is literally "learning map layouts and timing" but without the added fun of mastering complex movement systems to go fast. Halo is literally a dumbed down AFPS, and is successful because it was dumbed down.
CS focuses on learning map layouts even harder than AFPSes, mechanical skill beyond aiming is heavily de-emphasized so there's even more importance placed on memorizing routes, chokepoints, vantage points, side routes, where to throw grenades, where to throw smokes and flashes, where to expect enemies from, how to split your team efficiently, etc.
DOTA/LoL focus harder than every other mainstream multiplayer game on memorizing boring and tedious information, DOTA especially with how complex the game is and how much changes from patch to patch. Every friend I've tried getting into DOTA complains about having to learn just how to use the shops properly and how the amount of items in the game overwhelms them compared to LoL or HotS. Runes, warding, jungles, Roshan, bottles, couriers, denying, buyback, turn rates, DOTA has more tedious and overwhelming mechanics for players to memorize than any other popular game on the market and yet it still has millions of players and is the most popular game on Steam.
Fighting games are a notoriously niche genre with a playerbase as dedicated as AFPSes, the reason they continue to be made while AFPSes don't is because the publishers and developers are alive and willing to support their niche fanbases, and the fanbases in turn are willing to help new players out to keep fresh blood coming. All the old AFPS devs either abandoned the playerbase to chase after the mainstream or went out of business, so AFPS fans were left with nothing but Q3A and the occasional UT release for years. It's like if the so-called "dark age" of fighting games didn't have a multitude of non-Capcom fighters released, and fans only had a few games to play while Capcom and SNK left to turn their games into MK clones to chase after casuals.

>Didn't answer my question. Not an argument
Alright, then let me give you an argument. This is like "How do we save the horror genre?" threads. They don't post the threads like that because they believe this, it's because it tricks retards on Yea Forums into actually posting. Everyone here wants to "help", or they want to play armchair CEOs. That's why people don't address what's actually wrong with the game/genre.

>The MCC or WoW Classic are not the Next New Thing™
They are. The hype train and repackaging of old and making it new is part of the Next New Thing™ syndrome.
>Are you suggesting the only reason 300,000+ people play LoL, DOTA, and CS:GO is that they all wanna be the next "pro" player?
Why else would they willingly play shitty games like that?

>Like I said, you aren't living up to any real potential
Define potential, and define what I am not doing it to "expand into more interesting areas of your life". Define why they are "interesting". Explain why this is something I should do.

>All those reasons are massive fucking copes for the boring life you live.
You're really obsessed with calling everything a "cope", aren't you?

>What other hobbies do you have besides vidya and are good at?
Who cares? They're my hobbies, I'll be as good or bad at them as I please.
>Do you have any interesting stories that you could share about yourself?
No, and I would rather keep it that way.
>You really enjoy the same retarded bullshit conversations on fucking Yea Forums of all places?
Get bored of one conversation, move on to the next. Wow. So hard.

We can have that argument, sure, but people act like it's the worst game ever made. DS2, relative to everything else out there, is still a good game.

>USF4
>3D

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I wish there were things they would have fixed for ds2 it's a pretty solid game.

The gameplay was still mediocre. That said, it was merely mediocre - nothing more, nothing less.To that end, it's very much a playable game.

>DS2, relative to everything else out there, is still a good game.
Not him, but here's a hard pill:

If you make a named game in a series, then you should expect it to be compared to other games in the series and held up to those standards. It's only fair, because the game is also going to be riding off of the hype and success of the former game as well.

I enjoyed Das2 but it has noteworthy flaws. The brainlets complaining about "lol why can't I climb these rocks to bypass this area, why can't I climb this ledge to go back" are just too dumb to understand the game's actual issues.

>Capitalism is good! Stop saying bad things about my big brother! Marketers are my friend!

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Wojaks are just rage faces and anyone who uses them ironically or nonironically needs to leave

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>Marketing is about finding the smallest viable market and marketing exclusively to them in order to foster the most growth in your business.
>smallest viable
Why smallest? Why not largest? Isn't largest more money?

>Alright, then let me give you an argument.
Once again, doesn't answer the question of what makes current Minecraft bad and unplayable from what it was in 2010? You stated that there were bad things added new players can see. What are they?

>They are
And QC wasn't this? Every new AFPS isn't this? Why do those games get all the attention but AFPS games don't despite having a AAA studio behind the advertisement of QC?

>Why else would they willingly play shitty games like that?
Because they're fun? makes some good points but despite all the shit in an ASSFAGGOT, there is still more than time these 2 or 3 things.

>Define potential
What do you want outta life? To play all the vidya? That's really all you want to do? What made you decide that's all you wanna achieve in life and all you want to do? Are you actually older than 25?

>You're really obsessed with calling everything a "cope", aren't you?
No U is not an argument

>Who cares?
But do you actually do anything besides vidya?

>No, and I would rather keep it that way.
Like I said, you sound like an incredibly boring person. To repeat my favorite word, sounds like you cope to try and justify it.

>Get bored of one conversation
>What did he mean by this?
>3 TF2 threads in the catalog
>Muh waifu
>Forced maymay spam
>These are all conversations I enjoy having on a regular day to day basis
K bud

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I tried to re-play BL2 after the BL3 announcement but I just can't have fun with the gunplay anymore after having played Destiny 2. The gunplay just feels so much more "right" in D2 and has ruined how BL feels.

It doesn't work like that. The most opportunity for growth is in the smallest viable market. Here, this will help explain it.

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if you don't play on the hardest difficulty, your opinion is not worth anything
bell demon/no kuro's charm in sekiro)

Shut up terrorist.

>You stated that there were bad things added new players can see. What are they?
Oh, you're stupid. Should have figured. I've never played Minecraft, so I can't answer that. I was speaking in general terms because I hated the argument. Like I stated from post one.

>Why do those games get all the attention but AFPS games don't despite having a AAA studio behind the advertisement of QC?
Market saturation. The Next New Thing™ needs to be repackaged nostalgia, or something genuinely new and unseen.

>Because they're fun?
Only if you're a retard.

>What do you want outta life? To play all the vidya? That's really all you want to do?
Yes, exactly.
>What made you decide that's all you wanna achieve in life and all you want to do?
Because I stopped playing games and "got a life", and then shortly after, I discovered that I genuinely loved video games more than other people. So I ditched all of my friends and went back to gaming. Also I'm 30.

>No U is not an argument
wut? That's not a "No U" argument, I'm pointing out the fact that you're going out of your way to use that word like you think it makes me mad.

>Like I said, you sound like an incredibly boring person
>Boring people exist
>If they're boring, that must mean they're coping!
My favorite ice cream is vanilla, my favorite character is always the main one, and Pikachu is my favorite Pokémon. I live life exactly the way I want to.

>Muh strawman threads are ALL of the threads
lol okay reddit. Come back to this thread after you've been posting longer than 2 days.

I need more of this. What book is this?

Steam is losing the war and will lose the war with Epic Games

You can play a game on the easiest setting and still be considered having beat the game

Ratchet & Clank was always a children's game with basic bitch writing. It's no deeper than a Saturday morning episode of Buzz Light Year Star Command. Get over yourself nerds, Insomniac has always been hacking out B-grade Disney scripts, and because some bong made an hour long autistic rant on the internet doesn't change the fact.

There us more than one gaming circlejerk on plebbit. Those joker autists are the latest one.

There are people that think otherwise? R&C is alright but it's nothing special by any means.

LEGO Star Wars the complete saga isn’t fun without someone else and I just like it because of nostalgia

"This Is Marketing" by Seth Godin.

Thank you d00d

JRPG > WRPG

The only reason why you hate games everyone else loves is because you're wildly depressed.

>sinister smug pepe

I like it

No, I hate popular games because they changed what "it" was, what I'm with isn't "it", and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me.

>Video games are just electronic reflex tests
Not Baba is You or almost any other puzzle game.

wildly depressed or getting old*

If you care even one iota what difficulty or supposed difficulty other people play their video games on, then you don't care about video games, you care about getting your epeen stroked.

If your only arguments in favor of PC gaming is "BETTER GRAFFIX" then you're a console gamer who happens to play on PC.

Mobile gaming is both fun and viable. You hate it for the same reason you hate New Game and Popular Game.

Last post and I'm going to bed

>Oh, you're stupid.
I was honestly half tempted to say that. Either way, you're a contrarian that doesn't know what he's talking about. Makes me doubtful you've even played an AFPS.

>Market saturation.
And QC wasn't a mix of both for both old and new players?

>Yes, exactly.
>Because I stopped playing games and "got a life"
>If they're boring, that must mean they're coping!
More on this in the end of the post

>wut?
IDGAF is it makes you mad or not. It's the best word to describe the situation

>Muh strawman threads are ALL of the threads
Even 4x2chan has a wider variety in threads on their Yea Forums (dead as it may be)

>end of the post
I lift heavy objects and put them down, play the banjo, dick with bread boards to learn about circuitry, and write short stories back and forth with a close friend of mine. They're not coke and hookers but still something. Something that I saw and thought would be cool to try out. You honestly sound like a bitter man-child that tried to do well IRL, got scared, and then sunk back into vidya as it is the only source of comfort and happiness you know and ditched your friends when you couldn't relate to them any more. The fact you're 30 and playing the contrarian card proves my point in my original post to a T and pretty much made it seem like this is the hardest pill for you to swallow. Hell, considering the poster/poster ratio I wouldn't be surprised if you've been same-fagging this entire thread. Not even trying to be a moral-fag but I can't help LOL at your life.

Either way, goodnight, dude.

We are currently in a golden age of gaming.

Video games are interactive media. The gameplay is the unique art, not the music or visuals. If you think forcing somebody to actually play a game to experience the entirety of the game is somehow Gatekeeping, you don't underatand the medium at all and really need to go back to neogay

>Either way, you're a contrarian that doesn't know what he's talking about
If the phenomenon of younger people picking up newer games and realizing they're shit occurs in one field, it occurs in another. I can't speak for shit like Minecraft, but I can for other games. I can't see any reason why Minecraft would be protected from this.

>And QC wasn't a mix of both for both old and new players?
QC sort of falls into a special exception branch of being a sequel to a highly loved competitive game that was already established. You can see the same type of market when comparing Smash Melee with Brawl and 4. You have a group of entrenched players that have mastered their particular autism, and are going to heavily scrutinize anything that tries to usurp the throne.

>IDGAF is it makes you mad or not. It's the best word to describe the situation
Except it's not? I'm not "coping" with anything. That implies that I'm depressed or unhappy with my affairs, which I can assuredly state I'm not.

>Even 4x2chan has a wider variety in threads on their Yea Forums (dead as it may be)
They're also dead and cycle through topics far slower. If I Ieave Yea Forums for 2 hours and come back, I'll have a new assortment of interesting things to look at. Can't say the same for other forums.

>I lift heavy objects and put them down, play the banjo, dick with bread boards to learn about circuitry, and write short stories back and forth with a close friend of mine.
Pic related.
>You honestly sound like a bitter man-child that tried to do well IRL, got scared, and then sunk back into vidya as it is the only source of comfort and happiness you know and ditched your friends when you couldn't relate to them any more.
Except I'm not. It's exactly as I described it with no hidden meaning. I went out, made a bunch of friends, then realized that even though I met a bunch of nice kids, I was just frankly happier with video games, so I dropped the friends. That's it.

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No, they just enjoy things other people do because they value displaying some guise of continual contentedness and non-confrontation while i actually care to evaluatively critique media i consume because i'm not a fucking drone. I guess if that classifies me with a fucking mental disorder then corporations bought out psychology.

In the sense that it's never been easier to access a game, yes. In terms of modern game quality I'm gonna have to disagree on that one.

Redpill: Yea Forums has the best off-topic threads

1) "Loyalty" to a company is the most cuck shit I can think of.
2) If you're an identity politics retard you're literally as bad as the tripfags. Both are functions of trying to give somebody an identity which is almost fucking never relevant

The problem is,
>Play the game
and
>Play the game exactly the way *I* want you to
are two totally different things. And the latter is, very much so, gatekeeping.

Real redpill: Gatekeeping is a good thing and should be practiced, otherwise you'll find yourself flooded by faggots, retards, and women.

My thought process is that all games by default are or at least should be fun, but there are so many damn games now, gameplay should be expanded upon by story and other stuff now. If multiple games play the same the one with more than gameplay is probably going to garner more sales.

The best way to play most games nowadays is wait for 2 years to play it, when it had released all DLCs/expansions and most bugs fixed, as well as cheap prices.

FUCK OFF, ZOOMER

Aerith died because of her own retardation. There's nothing "tragic" about her death, and it's proof that FFVII's writing wasn't as good as you remember.

Of all the entertainment industries Vidya is the worst hit one by their rise in popularity. No other form of entertainment has been so horribly manipulated by the interest of third parties. Be it the feminist movement, AAA companies' greed or the devs who keep making movie-games.

Only because its the latest, the users are on average the youngest and stupidest.

Nothing in these threads is worth listening to.

No, journos want baby mode that isnt the way the DEVS want them to play the game. Huge difference. What youre saying is like when people say you shouldn't level dex in DS. What journos want is a braindead pisseasy mode so they can shit out reviews of the game without having to actually devote any time to it. God fucking forbid you have to devote time to a hobby in 2019

Graphics are good enough now that any improvement in the future is just a waste of dev resources on eye candy. Graphics past a certain level of fidelity have no bearing on the overall quality of a game, and we crossed that quality threshold a while ago. The industry would be better off if we just all settled with games looking sub-par.

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This, except things were good enough back in the 6th gen.

REAL redpill:

Like what you like how you like it, and don't give a fuck about other people. 99% of the ills in the world come from other people telling you how to work your lane. Don't fucking do that.

>What journos want is a braindead pisseasy mode so they can
That's incorrect and disingenuous and ultimately beside the point.
Just
Just stop giving a fuck. It's that easy. We don't have to bring politics into it, we don't have any other points of argument to make.
Just play your game. Love your game. And if someone else loves that game in a slightly different way and that bothers you, that's because you're projecting your personality onto that game and you feel attacked. That's you putting 100% of your energy into the problem, and the other person putting 0%. Knock that shit off, and probably go see a psychologist. You're only making things shittier for yourself.

100% this

most ill informed pseudo philosophical post ive read all month.
1. everything can be argued as being a waste of time, fuck off with that nihilism
2. playing and having fun doing it is something inherent to people and many animals
3. do you really need a story to play donkey kong, you twat? what about football?

i get what youre saying but that projection part is a bit much.
mostly people hate these situations because the danger of a majority havibg that opinion and negatively shaping the future of games you like is real.

>and negatively shaping the future of games
But what would that entail, in this case? What is the worst case scenario here?

More games have easy modes
And more people enjoy games

And to you, that's a *bad* thing? What the fuck kind of bizarro world psychopath do you have to be, to believe that more people enjoying something good is a bad thing? It's fucking retarded.
And the fact that you have to bring in some bullshit
>hur dur jurnalist
blatant misapropriation just to support your view should be the first clue that you're wrong

Different people are looking for different things in video games. You not wanting it doesn't mean a game shouldn't exist.

>99% of the ills in the world come from other people telling you how to work your lane.
Nah. 100% of ills in the world come from people not working their lane correctly, then becoming massively butthurt when people try to help them correct their shitty behavior.

The majority of people who play video games are shit at it. People who think they are good are typically worse. The last percentile might as well be starting at the very bottom again when you consider how crazy it scales upwards. Its more then likely that no one ITT will get there.

>every game needs to be accessible to everyone
Why?

Yep you completely missed the point. "Just stop caring" isn't an argument you fucking zoomer trash and go back to neogaf

that wasn't even me, don't get your panties in a bunch.

all I'm saying is, that if you are old enough to have seen things change, no matter what they are, you would have noticed a general trend that, when something is deeply enjoyed by a smaller/niche group, it invariably turns worse, once more people want to get in on it who don't properly understand the thing's original appeal. but since they now make a potential bigger group to sell to, guess whats gonna happen..

it happens all the time in all kinds of mediums, be it movies, TV series, music, games etc

The industry will never be good again. Corporations have their hooks in. A crash would change nothing.

I don't think story should be written off completely.
A good story won't save a shitty game, but I do think a good story can enhance a game greatly.
Vergil 3 and the Roxas fight in kh3 are very good bossfight on their own, but the story surrounding and it's thematic relevance enhance that fight on multiple levels.
Just to reiterate no matter how great a story is it won't save a shitty game, but a game that is already good on it's own can be enhanced by a good story, because it invests you on multiple levels.

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not when it forces me to stop playing for exposition it doesn't.

most games that are generally thought of having a good story/writing, grossly misuse said things and break gameplay flow. Also almost no games have actually good writing, compared to even decent books or movies

i've been asking this question for a while but no one answers

sauice?

If you enjoy speed running or e-sports in any manner you suffer from some sort of mental handicap

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The main reason Fatal Frame 2 and Silent Hill 2 are the most beloved entries in each respective franchise is because they are the easiest.

Video game industry has not gone to shit, you simply got older and jaded.

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>webm
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I don't care for it much myself but it's probably fine to watch someone display absolute mastery of a game and be at least a little impressed. Aspiring to personally speedrun, though? Odds of a mental disorder are pretty high if you're over the age of 12 doing that, at least small children have the excuse of still developing and having way too much time on their hands.

The culture of contrarianism on Yea Forums has reached levels of people being embarrassed for liking videogames on a videogame board and desperately trying to one-up each other over how jaded and cynical they are, putting down even games they otherwise like because expressing genuine fondness for a game just doesn't fit the mold anymore. What they don't realize is that part of the depression they feel day-by-day isn't even from other sources, just this pointless internal struggle over pretending to hate something.

I wouldn't trade Yea Forums's cynicism for the world but the one-upmanship definitely gets silly around here.

It's refreshing in a sense, but there's definitely an element of desperately trying to outdo each other.

DELET

proof?

>a general trend that, when something is deeply enjoyed by a smaller/niche group, it invariably turns worse, once more people want to get in on it who don't properly understand the thing's original appeal

I'm 31.
I've been playing Magic The Gathering since I was 12. Been playing Pokemon since around the same time. Helped some friends open a small tabletop gaming shop and watched it turn into the biggest in our local area.
I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that's never how that's worked.
The actual product or medium might ebb and flow in quality, yes. But the only thing that's actually gotten worse over time are the hipster, cliquish assholes who insist it was better when *they* were young. That's literally it.

Magic is a perfect example of a product that's varied wildly in quality over the decades. My very first booster pack was from Mercadian Masques, which any historian will tell you, was a fucking god-awful set after a solid three years of awful sets. My favorite set ever is Innistrad, which was relatively recent. Guilds of Ravnica was pretty great too. Battle for the Spark looks iffy, but I'm willing to see where they go with it. The point is, the game's overall quality has come and gone and come again. But for each set, sure as the sun rises in the east, it doesn't matter which set it is, there will always be some asshole proclaiming that Urza's Legacy was the best that Magic ever will be, and everyone should just stop playing forever, because they're ruining the game. (this is also, invariably, AFTER that same guy just purchased $300 in booster boxes). Meanwhile, the FNM mobs keep playing unbidden. And so it goes. The only one not enjoying themselves, in that situation, is the one asshole telling everyone else to stop enjoying themselves. Nobody gives a shit. If you don't fit in a group you used to, it's your fault, not the group's.

Yea Forums is more worthwhile than videogames itself

I only play video game because I never developed any positive social skills, and this pushed me into a suffocating isolation. I have tried to kill my self in several very serious attempts to the point I have made atheist doctors think there is a god and he is playing a very cruel joke on me.

Fortnite is harder to play than quake.

DmC is better than 2 and 1.

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Super Mario Odyssey is objectively inferior to Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mari 64, and if you disagree then you ingest söy products on a daily basis.

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eh, this is overly simplified. I've played plenty of titles with shit gameplay because I liked everything else, including story

RPG is a genre for casual players who shouldn't be called gamers in the first place.
They're watching interactive movies with little to no challenge (with very few exceptions).
They're the gateway for SJWs into gaming.
They're created for and catered to non-gamers.

The Witcher is a bad dating sim.

>they don't recycle memes 24/7
have you ever been to Yea Forums?

Game ideas are decided by director designers and producers.

Most of the time if a game is good you will only know about the director, designers and cool producers are rarely ever recognized.

Miyamoto, Sakurai, Nobuo Uematsu and other famous and talented people like them will die in your lifetime.

>Post some hard to swallow vidya pills.
>Bonus points if you had to swallow them yourself.

I will never relive the early days when I could be blown away by games, because I have too much experience in both how the sausage is made, as well as the variety of sausage tastes. The magic is gone, I am too familiar with the formulas, too quick to recognize the problems and too wise to fall for the tricks. Its just not fun anymore, and the only way for me to enjoy a video game is either if its very competitive mechanically, or the story/plot is good and presentation is immersive.

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