Uh, is there even a single track in Sekiro remotely as good and memorable as Abyss Watchers? I don't think so...

Uh, is there even a single track in Sekiro remotely as good and memorable as Abyss Watchers? I don't think so. What went wrong with Fromsoft's musical department?

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It's because you're a music-let that can't appreciate music unless it contains a choir, it's made by the same fucking person you dumb fucking brainlet.

most memorable From track for me youtu.be/11QTBeP5xRE

all FROM music after DS1 is equally unmemorable because it's atmospheric music meant to heighten the mood. if you claim to be able to hum ANY of it from memory you're a lying cunt.

The only good track in Sekiro is the theme of Emma.
>memorable
Well if we are talking about memorable than I remember that track that always plays when you encounter enemies in Ashina

youtube.com/watch?v=C_ywF3fp564
youtube.com/watch?v=h2zS86kNCO8

More like Abyzzzzzzzzz watchers lmao

You are wrong and here's why
>DaS2
youtube.com/watch?v=p9hoAyx3-0I
youtube.com/watch?v=Qg2IGTQsvZY
youtube.com/watch?v=b3td3DrL5Mg
>DaS3
youtube.com/watch?v=jAuIY58nv_k
youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I
>BB
Damn a hell lot of them

What's memorable about DaS1's OST either? I can only remember Firelink Shrine and Gwn's.

>ds3 brainlets
Treasure my pity reply peasant for you’ll not receive any more of these

>best track
>worst boss

You just have a shit taste. I can name without checking list:
Divine Dragon
Strength and discipline
The owl
Genichiro
Gyobu
Guardian Ape
Hirata
Sword Saint
Corrupted Monk

friendly reminder that DS3 zoomers think their game is actually hard

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>a piece of music has to be hum-able for it to be good
Kill yourself you fucking normie go listen to some pop you brainlet.
Yuka Kitamura has been BTFOing all other composers that has worked on the soulsborne osts, with only Nobuyoshi Suzuki being a good contender.

Dark Souls 3 bosses are the hardest

My nigger. Only deaf faggots can’t appreciate Yukas hard work

Majula was such a comforting hub

Out of souls games DS3 bosses are the hardest for me. Sekiro is on a new level though.

I wish I was deaf after listening to Sekiro's OST.

Sekiro's music sucks, but so does DS3. They're miles behind BB.

Kitamura went full retard in Sekiro.

>muh Jap ching chong accuracy even though I actually hate that shit
She should've done something she actually enjoyed. Not forced herself out of her comfort zone to create the most bland OST ever recorded for a Japanese game. Sekiro's OST is so bad that you literally should play the game on mute. The audio design is also very poor.

Why do people even like this shitty ganksquad boss?

People can say what they want about DS2, but Majula beats every other hub.

DS3 had music?

I always liked the track that plays in firelink if you give the firekeeper the eyes of the firekeeper. Don't know its name though.

Nothing beats Majula.

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There is a pretty interesting dynamic between them.

BB is just grimderp le orchestra xD garbage.
Just horrible

It felt like an RPG town and for some reason I like it. DaS2 in general feels like a WRPG

kys

Read my post again you fucking retard, you don't understand music, if a piece doesn't spoonfeed you with choirs your tiny retarded brain won't be able to pick up on it. You're just stupid there's nothing more to it.

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The melody from Sif's music is pretty memorable
Nameless Song is decent too, mainly because of that harp(?) in the intro

Fuck off snoy shill

>it's supposed to be bland and forgettable, that's what makes it good

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It's recorded with instruments.
Sekiro/DaS3 are recorded with midi/samples. Based on that alone they're garbage. Who the fuck wants to listen to YOOOOOOOO or opera with plugin samples?

always console warring nincels

Check these out
youtube.com/watch?v=mtf-2nz6je4
youtube.com/watch?v=7Y06xaBElWo
I always post them in Souls OST threads

genichiros track is the only rememberable

Vanilla BB ost is very inconsistent and has only 3 memorable songs. 90% of it is just background tier trash with calm violins. Sekiro ost operates way more instruments and different themes

It's all sample/midi garbage with no dynamics. This is on top of the Sekiro's music being forgettable.

Omg you’re actually retarded snoy faggot that have no idea what he talking about

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Why are Nintenlards so asshurt?

ESL?

Explain.

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the monk boss fight music is great wtf is wrong with you op.

Mergo's theme was pretty striking. I remember all the autism in BB's lore threads, trying to connect Mergo to the gascoinge's daughter.

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The music paired with the Lady Butterfly fight is amazing

Retards, From always recording their music with orchestra

HWAAAAAAAH
HYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

youtube.com/watch?v=a8EP0920Iuc

MARIA A SHIT! A SHIT!

Are you sure?

Prove it faggot, only bloodborne was able to do this as it was produced by sony.

see

all fromsoft OST is shit
only this one is good
youtube.com/watch?v=BCDEDi5gDPo

Dragon was cinematic as fuck

maria a cute

a cute!

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As long as we're posting tracks
youtube.com/watch?v=gokhBJWSjeM

cringe. All the tracks from Demon's Souls were better

It's a great theme, but Laurence's autistic screaming and fire slams drown it out.

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>t. 16 year old who has only played Bloodborne and Sekiro

Youtube -> Sekiro music
There was a bunch of stuff from one site before game release, one of the videos is dedicated to ost

>composed by yuka kitamura
>Sekiro composer who also composed Gael's and Maria's themes
Many boss fights before sekiro were there just to be boss fights. The tracks were memorable and recognizable out of necessity. Also wasn't Sekiro's OST all composed by one person? From clearly just didn't put in the same money as before on the OST because they figured it wasn't needed.

A lot of DeS' OST sound like midi instrumentals strewn together. One Who Craves Souls is a good one though.
youtu.be/6ESqvGzdnvs

Read thread faggot

This is untrue.
Literally only Bloodborne was mostly recorded in a studio. Demon's is a number of live instruments but they're overdubbed and sampled—its only egregious for Maiden Astrea. Dark Souls 3 has a few tracks with similar live instrumentation, but again, they're overdubbed on bed tracks. Dark Souls 1, 2, and Sekiro are almost entirely pic related recorded in a broom closet.

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One of the weaker pieces in that game. Adjudicator is one of the best

Post a single memorable OST thematically about ancient japan.
You cannot.

im 25 who played all souls, BB and sekiro
just my shitty opinion

sadly kitamura was not the right person for this game

I don't think I've ever remembered any of fromsoft's musical tracks except for maybe majula, they're all painfully generic and really underlines a huge problem with japanese music in general.
When japanese composers try to make 'western' orchestra they don't really make it, they make tracks based on their stereotypes of western classical and orchestra music so it sounds really hollow and shitty.
To be fair though, most rpgs have bad music, in the past 10 or so years the only rpgs off the top of my head I can think of with good scores are divinity and the witcher saga

pure shit

If you listen to the strings, they have vibrato. Also, the timpani is clearly a live instrument. However Maiden Astrea is definitely a plugin harpsichord and looped.

Don't forget or orenstein and smough, firelink shrine, and the Taurus/asylum demon ost.

>das3
cringe
the only good soundtracks in from games are armored core, des and bloodborne

Fuck you for not liking Demon's Souls OST. But maybe it's just my nostalgia

Plebs like you lives just to die. Your opinion has no value.

You find me a live recording of the sekiro OST or a producer/director stating that it was recorded by a live orchestra.

>Play Demons Souls
Damn this game is really, really hard. I'm so cool for playing it fifty times.
>Play Dark Souls
Wow, this game is kinda challenging, but it's no Demons Souls, what with that games gimmick bosses and terrible gameplay. Still, I'll play it five million times, SL1, barefists
>Play Dark Souls 2
Pffftttt. What is this? Casual Souls. I'll just play this a few thousand times this time round. The bosses are pathetic. 6/10. Get Miyazaki Back in town.
>Play Bloodborne
Woooow. Could it be any more casualised? This is pathetic. You can just spam dodges and parry from afar with gun spam. What a joke. Who designed this shit?
>Play Dark Souls 3
Is this the easiest souls game ever? All you need to do is dodge and hit things over and over again. You couldn't even do that in the older games.
>Play Sekiro
Woooooooooow. No one told me I was supposed to parry their attacks? Why have I died fifty times against the Chained Ogre? I can't believe they put an enemy like the blazing bull in a tiny enclosed space and expected us to fight it. That's never happened before in a From Software game. Jeez. 0/10, I'll just use a trainer and replay Demons Souls again afterwards. At least that game was fair.

>Generic ominous orchestral track with chorus #3849375
>Good
Souls music has never been good outside of a couple of tracks in DeS, it's "music" for capeshit tier normalfags, it doesn't set the mood, it doesn't make bosses more imposing or memorable nor does it give them any personality, it doesn't give a fight or worlds any sort of atmosphere, it's boring, pretentious background noise for people who don't actually have any musical taste and think they're refined for listening to mediocre orchestrations.

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>listening to video game music
just mute the game and listen to avenge sevenfold nigga

I like how a bunch of faggots trying to dismiss "choir" now. Yea Forums are the ultimate hipsters. As soon as it goes popular, it just ain't good anymore.

The only track I remember from Souls games was Gwyns theme.

>be kitamura
>get almost no work in for bloodborne because sony didn't want trash
ABSOLUTE STATE OF KITAMURA

No

I actually enjoy her work but this game required something more minimal, the transition between stealth and action gets old really fast because of the melody

Videogame music is generic and derivative by nature and seldom does the things you mention.

Vibrato isn't a sign that it's not digital; it's pretty easy to add an oscillator that does similar and any high-quality strings patch is going to be sampled from actual strings. The real thing to look for is consistency and variation across separate notes, whether there are small imperfections that make the sound more varied and organic.

Go shit up some other thread you worthless faggot

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Lol retard doesn’t know she joined during TOH development

Only DeS', BB's, and few tracks from DaS1's OST were great, tbqh.

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Im not surprised you’re actually retarded. I won’t google for you, soiboy

I particularly this particularly wonderful take on fart noises from DeS.

youtube.com/watch?v=vaZWK0RaPFk

Top class stuff.

I like how DS3 soundtrack make every boss fight feels like this is the battle of a lifetime.
It's like you're opening secret doors of the world that should never have been opened. I really like it.
youtube.com/watch?v=0D8akDrh0bg

You can really tell someone's a retard when they call sounds "pretentious". The irony is you're probably one of those guys who would've been bullied for having shamefully pedestrian taste in a Yea Forums thread five years ago

>Orchestral version of RE basement music

Sure, that must be why nobody cares about Souls music.
Even Armored Core gets arrangements, albums, remixes and whatever else why Souls gets nothing, it's a non factor, nobody but a bunch of pretentious normalfags think it's anything but mediocre, especially when 90% of the tracks are the same.
Get some taste.

>can't back up claim, proceeds to adhom
brainlets gonna brainlet

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Idiot, that's a great track

Hey, each game had their fair share of shit soundtracks. I'm just saying, most of the later games settled for overtly bombastic orchestra for bosses. Sometimes that feels a little too much for me.

She did some tracks for the main game aswell
They are all just forgotten and buried because of how shit they are lol

This is the stuff right here

You don't play strings, that's clear (no offense). You're not going to add oscillation to a cello sample/note because that would sound worse for a number of reasons than a flat note. Finally, samples might have vibrato, but they're using plugin instruments; not samples.
There are ways to add convincing vibrato with a mod wheel, but I've never heard it. This is why most sample/plugin setups are quartet, because you can bury the vibrato.

> can’t google literal words
> accusing others in own illness
> frog retard
Checks out

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Armored Core has dull poor osts too, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

Actually opposite lel

Father Gascoigne has imo the best theme

youtube.com/watch?v=aTT4di20FtU

It's like butter to my ear canal

>Yea Forums
Yea Forums is to music as Yea Forums is to videogames.
If you ever use Yea Forums as some kind of metric for anything regarding music you're beyond saving.

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Yes when people talk about bloodborne they bring up watchers, ebritas and roms soundtracks
lmao

I really liked this one from the first game youtube.com/watch?v=EfU147-WSx0
this is true, but that's why the souls series mostly known for difficulty and atmosphere, not the music. Because other games do that much better
youtube.com/watch?v=5Qwbs9OsP2M
wrong, retard youtube.com/watch?v=E8PMXyjkbfo

>Armored Core has dull poor osts too
Exactly, but I see you're that much of a brainlet you missed the point for this too, no wonder you like Souls music, which gets even less attention than AC music.

Not supporting that faggot but user
>Yea Forums
meme music central

have sex

How come no matter the theme froms aesthetic are always god tier ?

A shitty take on Yiddish gypsy garbage. Very derivative of kike """music""".

Yes I know, that's why it's embarrassing that even they have better taste than you
Yes it's been shit for quite some time

?
I don't like videogame music but I lost your plot when you were raving about "pretentious normalfags like derived trash X, but derived trash Y is better".
Are you some sort of music specialist?

Ebrietas is a masterpiece tho. Also all her works in DS3 shows how talented she is. Midir, Gael.. fucking masterpieces. In Sekiro she grows even further. Too bad you’re a deaf kid

Keep coping my friend.

t. Brainlet who mentally can't comprehend good music

>Not considering DLC
>DaS2 is there
The fuck?

>wojak poster
nice job proving him right

>I don't like videogame music
Then what are you doing here?
In a videogame music thread?

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>unironically enjoys a lady going "aaaaaaa" through out an entire track for 5 minutes
And you call me tone deaf kek

>bad taste and a /pol/tard
that's a yikes from me dawg

Yea Forums is the designated shitting street of the internet.

>can't back up claim, proceeds to adhom
brainlets gonna brainlet

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You also have bad taste and you're a discord tranny. You've probably never even listened to real Yiddish music.

>boss starts
>YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *drum plays*
>HOLY SHIT GOTY 2019 10/10 FROM SOFT ILL SUCK YOUR COCK

>claims to only be able to hear a single part of a piece
>calls others tone deaf
This is the purest kind of irony, end your life.

>unironically enjoys a lady going "aaaaaaa"
Where did I said that? I’m enjoying her feel of melody, construction of the music, not vocals. Kinda agree they overused chores in ds3

According to that poll you posted, you're wrong.

I have though because I'm Jewish
>bad taste
the only one with bad taste here is you, the fact that you're literally incapable of recognizing good videogame music because it would crumble your stance of "w-well fuck you if souls music is bad then ALL bideo gaem music bad!" is nothing short of childish and stupid.
Grow up, admit when you're wrong and move on

Not a single yooo in the game, nincel

>only able to hear one part
yeah because it's throguh out the entire fucking track, there's nothing else to add
Everything gets squashed together because shes horrible at what she does.
Both suzuki and saitoh are a milions times better than this overrated piece of garbage you jerk off

name ONE (1) song better than the Tower Knight theme
youtube.com/watch?v=f__lLLoe6D0


Pro Tip:HA HA HA HA HAAA

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the music is generic shit with classic japanese tunes thrown in

it's soulless

BB > DeS > DaS > DaS3 > DaS2 > S

in terms of music

t. professional musician

I hates sjws, but you’re actually retarded sexist

Gwyn's theme is literally just piano and is probably one of the better songs in Dark souls

You are a fucking retard, yuka is a god because she can make use of a million different sounds and make a coherent beautiful piece, you don't like it because your worthless pea brain falls apart when exposed to any kind of complexity, end your fucking life go shit up the youtube comments with your peers you worthless garbage.

B E S T I A
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youtu.be/NlQcKBUcgmA

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>Jewey likes Jew music.
>"No! YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE BAD TASTE BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
It's not a fact that I'm "incapable of l recognizing 'good' music", because you don't determine what's good. You're the one that's childish because you are completely unable to accept dissenting opinion. You'll have to man up someday user.

> t. professional 4channel snoy wanker
Fixed

literally the only reason you hate it is because it sounds "jewish" to you, you absolute fuckwit

>makes the same shitty bombastic trash over and over with a lady going aaaaa
>WOW YUKA YOU'RE SO GOOD AND FANTASTIC AND GOOD AT MAKING MSUIC AND ORIGINAL WOW
I can't wait for the next sony collab so they can push her aside again and let real
musicians make the music

i dont get this meme. dark souls 1 had like 1 mildly difficult bossfight in o+s and the rest were piss easy or gimmicks. name 1 boss in des, ds1 or ds2 (base games) harder than pontiff/nameless king or even dancer.

HAA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAA HAA HAAA HAA HAAA HAA HAAA

>WHERE'S MUH CHOIRS
>WHAT'S MUSICAL FORM???? PROGRESSION??!?!?!?
>JAPANESE INSTRUMENTS??? MY PALETTE CAN'T HANDLE ANYTHING NEW

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Are you retarded. I said it was a shitty take, as in it's unremarkable, dull, etc.
I understand you can't read, but don't make up fake arguments.

HA HA HA HA HA!

For music I'd say:
BB>DaS1>DaS3>DaS2>DeS>Sekiro

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best song from the best fromsoft game coming through
youtu.be/K-rNVnrFQDg

>I can't wait for the next sony collab so they can push her aside again and let worse musicians make simpler compositions my garbarge musically illiterate brain can handle

so blandest to most distinct. okay.

we get it, you don't like generic orchestra, still doesn't make Sekiro OST less of trash

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Corrupted monk
Divine Dragon
Genichiro
Ape
Fountainhead palace just on top of my head

Sekiro has some really nice melodically moments intertwined with its atmosphere and levels. Fountainhead palace ambient music + the flute playing of the Nobles is really peaceful. I also liked Mis Noble’s flute playing in the spooky forest.

You also get the high adrenaline wooden clanking and drums of traditional Japanese music and it gets your blood pumping nicely every time. Overall I think Sekiro went for a more “atmospheric” and “ambient” OST instead of an in your face one. While it sounds bland at first, as you start paying more attention to it you find a lot of subtle beauties to it.

Sekiro is just generic Japland traditional tunes with strings, they blend together so much you can barely distinguish the tracks

lmao what a joke bloodborne is by far the eaiest even when considering dlc

> imagine being toxic over outstanding music you can’t even appreciate
Sasuga 3rd world pea brain with cheap speakers. End your own life.

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youtube.com/watch?v=Ke3HWo8fTpE
youtube.com/watch?v=Z9dNrmGD7mU
soul of cinder was by far the best theme to footnote the series imo

Not him, but what speakers?

Depends on if you count the chalice dungeons I guess.

I love the unique or interesting gimmick bosses. They take me back to Demon Souls where some of the fights were more cinematic or had a cool gimmick like Old Monk or even the Storm sword guy or the true final boss just being a weak flopping noodle. I don't think every boss needs to be a tooth and nail skill check, story ones break up the pace and give it some atmosphere because without the atmosphere you're just left with a more gimped version of other harder action games.

The only true shit bosses were ones like Dragon God or Bed of Chaos style ones where the gimmick isn't smart or cool and you just get one shot if you guess wrong.

this image is perfect. soulsfags think sekiro is too hard because they play it like souls and ds2 is too hard because they never learned not to hide behind a shield and drop lock-on

sekiro and ds2 are literally the easiest

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How the fuck do people think Sekiro is that hard?
Anything outside of bossfights is a total joke due to stealth, infinite runs, non-death falls, grappling, revivals, jumping, nearly no narrow paths, paths to bossfights being extremely easy compared to older games and many more that im forgetting right now.
I genuinely had more trouble with non-bosses in old yharnam or undead burg than in all Sekiro areas together.

It makes you a brainlet, yes

man ludwig's theme is fucking awesome, nothing beats it.

It’s not generic Japanese music at all. There’s very clearly an orchestral and ambient infusion to it that’s not part of traditional Japanese music styles.

I don't get how souls (1 and 2) is hard. There’s just a methodical movement to everything, attacks are highly telegraphed, that makes things easily predictable. If anything, DaS3 and BB are the hardest games to date. But I guess, considering everyone becomes acclimatized to Souls and BB's aggression, DaS3 becomes much easier to deal with.

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously with some dumbass anime picture? You're on the wrong end of this Korean knitting website, go to Yea Forums.

Nobody who voted for sekiro finished the game, they gave up after an hour.

I think it's more about unlearning the muscle memory from playing 4 pretty similar games for such a long time.
I doubt most people played all the games hiding behind a shield

Higher barrier of entry than the old games.
The first 3 games are have retard easy bosses.

nope

only bloodborne had fights on the same level, maria was kino for example and a really fair fight

sekiro just throws shit at you (sometimes literally) for the sake of it

The transition to Bloodborne fucked me up way harder than Sekiro, but maybe thats a personal thing.

>dark souls 2 is hard meme

level that fucking ADP noobs

Sounds like your issue is after so many western themed games you can't handle an eastern themed one. I'd say this is one of the main reasons can't get into Sekiro, they've spent years obsessing over gothic western japanovision games that once they step outside the box it triggers their autism.

>fight start in sekiro
>generic hyped music start
yikes

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sekiro is one of two games i played recently where i realized muh action music is fucking ruining AAA games. the other one is metro exodus

ADP was literally the best thing about ds2

exploiting iframes for 0 investment is just bad game design and it shows in ds3 and BB where they also give you near infinite stamina

>In all of this, none of them are the orchestral barrage that is Laurence
You shame yourself
youtube.com/watch?v=-k3XXGmu-dw

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It could be lack of apd, but it could also be hiding behind a shield. Shields are practically useless in dark souls 2.

dark souls 2 is the only "RPG" of the souls series, the other games just give you RPG rings to tackle bad design like that izalith lava or the swamp that slow you down

dark souls 3 is even worse than dark souls 1 in this regard because you need to literally use exploits like weapon art dashing to normally walk into the fucking swamp, what a lazy ass game

Do you make music?

only Dark Souls 2 has an underwhelming OST and even then it still has a lot of great tracks
>Vendrick
>Velstadt
>Sinh
>Skeleton Lords
>Nashandra

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The first half of it was pretty great, but the whole rehashing of Gwyn's theme just felt stupid.

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>Ahh, you were at my side all along

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Did they ever fix how shit dex build compared to everything else in ds2?

Mirror Knight
Fume Knight
Alonne
Ivory King
Aldia
Ancient Dragon
I really love the Fume theme, it just sounds so fucking angry
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what? the entire game is about name a reference, to the point that the game goes in on itself due to the it informs the narrative, due to the story itself i dont really think you could have ended it any way that would have been better.

going into ds3 from 1 and 2 feels like a completely different experience. I'm not entirely sure if i enjoy its speed. Everything feels like a rolling ball of hitboxes and i can never tell if i'm going to stagger something or it's just not going to care.

Should i play bloodborne instead? Trying to use katanas in 3 and i swear this thing runs my stamina through in 3 swings.

>tfw you will never be the Ivory King
>You will never be such a badass that, even though you built your home over literal hell, people still flocked to you and called you king
>You will never dick a piece of humanity's darkness so hard that she falls in love with you
>You will never have multiple gigantic monsters as pets
>You will never have this badass a theme
youtube.com/watch?v=alTQiC6hhGc

>tfw I beat Sir Alonne first try by spamming rapier attacks and walking circles around him

Nice game DaSbabs, at least O+S require some knowledge of the fight given that since there are two bosses it's harder for them to telegraph their attacks.

bloodborne is even faster than ds3

DS3 take the speed of bloodborne with the playstyle of the other 2, something that doesn't always work for it.
Bloodborne is a fun play, I would suggest playing it

> proper rpg
> give adp as an example
> a stat where its most important attribute is never explicitly displayed nor mentioned on the stat description
That’s the biggest problem with adp. Otherwise, I don’t really care about it because as soon as I put points to it ds2 is very easy other than really ridiculous “challenge” that the game throw at you. That is after just bliny build with dex build which ends up being one of the worst build because 90% of enemies and bosses are resistance to dex weapon

biggie & smalls is one of the worst fucking fights in the series for melee builds, its nothing but waiting around until the AI is gracious enough to grant you a hit or two

Sir Alonne is actually the only fight in the game where having a shield makes it significantly easier.

It's literally not. You just have to take advantage of Josh being so slow and lure Drake to one end of the arena to beat the shit out of him. Melee is easy as fuck with O/S

yikes.

but maybe i should give it a go.

if i do continue on with 3 though, any tips on katanas? I'm trying to parry with them but it's pretty difficult with how fast or randomly slow an enemy will swing. I'm in undead settlement/road of sacrifices

In my first run I went for a max STR build while levelling up literally nothing else and these two fucks and Gwyn were a NIGHTMARE

>greatshield and black knight sword
>power within rigth before you enter
>kill toejam in 5 swings

lol

i didnt say whether it was easy or not. i said its nothing but waiting around. there are very few situations where you can damage either boss and guarantee you wont get hit yourself

Biggie and small is pretty fun, fair, and even provide you with pillars to separate the two.
DS2 still have the most cancerous fight for any builds, not just melee alone
Old iron king
The king with 2 pyromancers in ng+
Ancient dragon
Darkstalker phase 2 without pyromancy or spell seal trick

what to you mean parrying with a katana?
if you suck at parrying get a cestus offhand

>Ancient dragon
Utterly broken. What were they thinking?

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It's really just a matter of unironically getting gud with your chosen weapon. The parry timing on the Katanas take a lot of getting used to. I'd just use a shield
Plus, unless you're looking at a bleed build, katanas aren't all that good in DS3. The Uchi is a good starter weapon because of how fast you get it, but there are better options

I have been repeating that non stop on this board for a couple of years now, and people keep throwing Gehrman's theme and Ludwig's theme at me when none of them would be able to hum them even right after closing that YouTube video of the track. How can these pieces of shit tracks evoke anything to anybody is beyond me.

They hit a new low with Sekiro's soundtrack, I don't know how someone with any professional conscience can release a game with this soundtrack.

Demon's Souls has the best soundtrack, Dark Souls 1 is a solid second, and the rest is all pure garbage.

alright, thanks for the help. I'll keep at it.

>zoomers don't know this pain
also tower of latria is one of the best soulsborne levels

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Darkstalker doesn't have all that much health, and you can get in a nice double hit the moment they split.

What's wrong with ancient dragon? It's a pretty easy and boring fight but I didn't notice anything broken or cancerous

Character creation screen, firelink shrine theme, ornstein and smough, sif, gaping dragon, asylum demon theme, ash lake theme, Gwyn's theme.

That's 8 tracks more memorable than the four subsequent games combined.

Godspeed, young user

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Ancient Dragon. Not the Guardian Dragon in Aldia's Keep, the big fucker at the end of the Dragon Aerie. The one that will oneshot you if it hits you, no matter how much health you have

Yes ancient dragon in the dragon aerie. Never died to it I thought it was pretty clear when you need to run away

It's just a mountain of health that takes a single fuckup to die to. It's like Midir in DS3, it's just too fucking tanky, and the consequences of fucking up are spending another 10 minutes fighting it

that's how RPG works dumbass, a knight in heavy armor does not have the same evasion as a thief

I forgot king vendrick as well. Basically, he’s the same as a boss with really slow, boring and dodgable moveset but kill you instantly if he hit you. He also has huge hp pool so it’s a stupid endurance test. Ancient dragon only worse because it also has even bigger hp pool and have camera angle fucking you over due to how big he is and if you are cornered and run out of room to avoid the fire, you are dead.

They do if you put enough points into Endurance

midir is a far more engaging boss fight than ancient dragon, if ancient dragon had more than like, the one attack it might have actually been an interesting fight on some level.

literally finished das2 this weekend with nothing more than a katana so no idea what you are talking about

>Ludwig's theme
>Cleric Beast
>Moon Presence
>The game's fucking theme itself

Absolutely the best soundtrack in all of vidya, no argument.

I don't see the need to argue, Souls games and Sekiro alike don't have great music.

Like, so many games have significantly better music that at best Souls/Sekiro are maybe average.

but midir actually has a moveset and keeps his weakpoint constantly exposed

Midir just has too much health and resistances. If his health was x.75, and the hitboxes on his second phase beam freakout weren't so stupid, he would be a better fight. It's just such a commitment to fight him because you're in there for a LONG time

all the DLC songs are grand

It’s not hard. I finished the game and ng+ with dex and katana as well. It’s just dumb how you are a bit gimped with going with dex because 90% of enemies and bosses are armored and have resistance against all dex weapons. Therefore, a basic one handed mace outperform all dex weapons through out most of the game while being as fast

sure whatever but you cannot compare ancient dragon to midir, one is slapped in with almost nothing going on and the other one is actually a tuned boss, whether you appreciate the amount of health it has or not.

So in a free for all, which of these niggers would win

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ur mum

The problem is that adp’s evasion bonus has no tie to the armor nor the “class” though. Adp straight up gives hidden evasion i-frame bonus while in other soul game, being tied to encumbersome which ties to armor weight makes more sense.

I can hum most BB music you pleb.

You fags are tasteless contrarians

M'idir imo. A child of true everlasting dragon, iirc. Seethe the Scaless is a crippled faggot.

>90% of enemies and bosses are armored and have resistance against all dex weapons.

90% of enemies and bosses are armored and have weakness to piercing and poison, I just kept my trusty black bow of pharis and destroyed areas that would've been niggers for any other character like shrine of amana

Sinh is a far more engaging boss fight than midir and actually challenges you to look at him with your camera unlocked while he is in the air

midir is just an autistic sperg that keeps wailing on you and then lets you poke his eyes, what a retarded boss

no one even brought up sinh stay in your lane, faggot

>comparing dark souls 2 dragon with dark souls 3 dragon
>B-BUT NOT THAT ONE :(((((((((

LMFAO rollspam babbies get triggered easily

both ds2 and 3 are rollbabby games. well ds2 is if youre playing it properly