So now that linux has a bare minimum of 90% the performance in windows and up depending on the game, 100% open source AMD drivers that work right off the stock install, Steam Proton, and hilariously faster load times on the very same hard disk/ ssd from ext4...
Have you considered switching or trying a dual boot?
Is there anything that isn't working that you're waiting on?
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why would i ever, EVER, want to take the time and install linux on my already 100% fully functional windows pc that i havent had any issues with in over 4-5 years
I still use 7 so I'm good.
I switched to Linux Mint completely a year and have zero regrets
I only play indie/old games on PC nowadays, dorf fortress runs, rimworld runs, factorio runs and I play all other games on the switch
because anons on Yea Forums will make fun of you and call you a pajeet or something
Honestly if AMD sells an 8 core chip with integrated graphics I'm going to be running Gentoo with a pass-through graphics card for Windows in a VM, Linux is better when something is supported on it, but not enough is supported to fully cut the chord with Windows yet.
>wifi drivers
huh?
>>/g/
>90% the performance in windows
'kay. Let me know when it reaches parity.
I have a dual boot with Ubuntu but I only ever use it for compatibility testing when I publish a project. Windows isnt the meme it once was.
and to answer your question, I don't want to waste a day to make sure shit is up to date and set up my enviroment
And also some apps
I like having an OS that doesn't require constant maintenance. Linux just isn't suited for the average desktop/user and will always remain a niche for hobbyists.
>dual boot
Yes but only because I'll use that half for netsec stuff and not gaming.
Linux is shit about having wifi drivers that work. You often have to jump though at least one hoop.
Linux has no gaems
nah.
It doesn't really require "constant maintenance" if you're not into that. It's just that people who are tend to love fiddling with it. You could install it and only open the terminal when you want to install something.
Can I play any of the following in Linux yet?
Apex Legends
Battlefleet Gothic 2
Soul Calibur 6
Dota 2
I literally have a 500gb m.2 ssd coming tomorrow and could potentially give a dual boot a try.
have you had this problem yourself or you read this problem on the internet five years ago and decided there have been no kernel updates since then?
mint doesn't require any maintenance
Lol all I know is better read up on whether your laptop/wifi adapter supports Linux mate. It's not guaranteed.
>So now that linux has a bare minimum of 90% the performance in windows and up depending on the game,
>90%
kek. Unless I am in an alternative timeline, this aint the case
>it's not guaranteed
2013 called, they want you back
unless you're running trisquel it's not an issue anymore
XDDD
Linux fags pretend their shitty OS is actually not a steaming piece of garbage, but on every occasion they keep shitfling at each other over whichever distro is the best.
Well given that like 80% of games won't work on Linux...
give me objective reasons it is a steaming pile of garbage then
>Countdown to goodness
>Putting some garbage shit that sounds like it's straight out of discord in your professional business OS
MS developers are officially zoomers
All of those should work.
Apex is iffy. Used to work day 0 on launch, devs updated anticheat, unsure of status as the anticheat is kicking out linux users in wine.
>100% open source AMD drivers
last time I tried to install them they broke my dependeces and couldn't do shit
You don't install them.
They come stock without having to install anything and you get the best performance.
>try out several distros on two different machines
>no support for three different wifi chipsets I own that all work out-of-the-box on windows
>complete gamble on whether steam games play nice with the 10+ competing window managers, desktop environments, compositors etc
>updating hardware drivers can break the entire system
>most games have broken antialiasing, low framerates, even native linux ports
b-but at least I have my privacy and freedom, right guys?
if you stick to most popular distros and DE linux is not problematic at all
once you start fiddling with more niche software and distros you're asking for a trouble
>They come stock
explain
it doesn't sound credible
linux really is for sperglords and developers(arguably same thing)
>no games, distros, des or years specified
fuck off
they're packed inside the kernel
There, you just gave an objective reason why it's a steaming pile of garbage.
I don't see the point to jumping through so many fucking hoops to wind up using windows in the end anyway if you want to play 99% of games.
I used linux on my previous laptop, can't fucking stand win10 on my current one but I won't need laptop at all in few months so I just wait it out and get desktop with linux then, people who shit on linux while sitting on w10 deserve to suffer it so don't bother trying to convince them.
Wrong, linux is the best and most popular OS out there. literally just go to any youtube video about windows and 9/10 times the top comment with hundreds of likes is saying move to linux
>Press OK to wait an hour
>Press Wait an hour to wait an hour
??
>using wifi on a gaming computer
>choice of software is a bad thing
>state of software a year ago is totally how it is now
great reasons
>linux gives you the freedom to do whatever you want!
>lol why do u wanna do that fag
Pass through seems like a pain. Probably worth it though. Windows 10 is fucking awful. I'd take osx over this trash.
Thanks man, I needed a hearty laugh.
I have some benchmarks to show off.
I ran Metro Exodus quick over and over 3x setting to get this average from both my windows 10 dual boot and my ubuntu install running in proton.
90% is the minimum performance you're going to see out of proton and several games already outperform. Just a few, but they do exist.
What make me fucking PISS about Linkek users is that there was probably a post just like this fucking 10 years ago but with different app names.
Absolute madmen
I use Windows 10 and don't give a fuck if Billy watches me pirating his games or shitposting on pol.
Based
Every couple years I try to use it again, and end up spending more time fixing shit than getting anything done. Last time was a stable update breaking xorg and needing to manually edit conf files to fix it.
I gave it a try around the time dxvk came out and got horrible performance
Ubuntu has a driver menu that will download any proprietary vendor drivers for you no mess, open, click, wait, and done.
The actual GPU drivers are in the kernel.
Vulkan and OpenGL are included in something called mesa, installed to every linux PC with a desktop environment for handling 2D and 3D.
You just install the distro and mesa is included stock.
You can also install newer kernels like 5.0 and up with a special build of mesa from a guy called padoka that runs the very latest hottest version, prone to bugs, but usually performs better.
If everything were open source gaming would be this easy all around.
usually gnu+linux is the one that my wifi always works with. but windows almost ALWAYS needs a third party driver no matter what.
Unless your job or field of study actually involves computers if you unironically use Linux you're nothing but a retarded poser.
99% of this board has never experienced any of the inconveniences or limits windows is bad for but want to look cool to their older "gamer friends".
Try out anything with a KDE environment.
You'll be pleasantly surprised.
Kubuntu/ OpenSUSE
I tried Ubuntu because it's the most supported by game devs. Native Linux ports are supposed to run out-of-the-box, but almost all didn't work at all until I switched from Wayland to X.
Tried Arch out, but I had to spend so much time messing around with config files that it just became a chore to use. I must have gone through every combination of Distro, WM, Compositor, etc. over the course of the last 10 years.
On top of this, I tried out some pretty basic games that run natively (Minecraft, Counter Strike, etc) and there was no AA and horrible screen tearing with the latest NVidia drivers.
I'll switch to Linux the day I can use it without having to spend more time fixing things, than doing things, but I don't think that day is coming for a very long time.
Imagine being such a brainlet in this thread that you aren't able to disable all windows services from registry yourself.
DXVK has come miles.
Version 1.0 just dropped and it's nearline native.
wait... since when is this happening?
I will try when I get home
i've been using windows 7 for over 10 years
im never using windows 10 or linux
OLD GOOD
NEW BAD
OLDFAGS RISE UP!
Because Linux is a lot easier to use and maintain than Windows, at least when you move past your baby duck phase.
It's unfortunate that MacOS is still shit for video games though.
It's been like this for 2 years.
Only if you have an AMD, of course.
Presume that 80% of software & games after the year 2020 will no longer release for your platform and you've got an idea. If you can handle that roll of the die for your favorite/ upcoming series' then you will be able to stay.
Linux also has directX12 support. Early stages but it can render and will probably be good within the year.
youtube.com
You Linuxfags have been spamming for more than a decade now, so if you're acknowledging software was shit years ago, it means you were shilling shit, and thus you are probably still shilling shit.
Give me one(1) legit reason why someone should use Linux over Windows if that person's only usage of the computer is playing a lot of vydia, shitposting on Yea Forums and watching twitch and YouTube?
>Have you considered switching or trying a dual boot?
Have been dual booting since the Win8 release.
Been happy with it. The Windows world is a sad place.
>Is there anything that isn't working that you're waiting on?
If I had to complain about anything, it would be that you are fucking lost, if there is no one maintaining a software repository fitting your distro for the software you want to use. If there is no such thing, you revert to the "good-old" Windows style of installing once and never updating, because doing that job manually is a fucking chore.
Seriously, a big Thank You to everyone maintaining those repositories. You are heroes.
I'm a 7fag too, it's just so good, 10s layout is shit imo.
I liked 7 when it was new too, and everybody else did.
Linux is dog shit garbage made for retards with more time than sense
not switching to linux until they get their shit together and pop out a proper desktop
>b-but there are plenty already!
fuck you and your fucking memes, everything available is garbage, I'd rather stay CLI
The EXT4 filesystem never fragments unless you have 2% or less freespace.
The kernel has a memory cache for all filesystems running, meaning if you access a file once it is stored in free memory for the equivalent of a RAMdisk of speed. You get fast load times off of a basic HDD.
ALT+TAB doesn't flash the screen and smoothly transitions without the 5 seconds of flicker and stutter.
You can turn off your compositor to boost your frametimes without going fullscreen.
Windows 10 forces the compositor on when not in fullscreen
Great for windows borderless.
games aren't good anymore fuck it
I tried MHW a few months ago on Proton, official Nvidia drivers and whatnot. It was more like 60% of the performance of 7. Must be nice for those who switch hardware every year, but it's simply not viable for everyone else.
user: KDE plasma 5
Try it out
If you want that Windows 7 feel forever, look into the Trinity desktop environment.
Windows vista and 7 are actually just a clone of that KDE 3.
>Windows is dog shit garbage made for retards with more time than sense
FTFY
Do you have ANY example for something that takes longer to do on Linux than it does on Windows?
just dualboot win7 64bit for games and linux distro of your choice for shitposting online.
Of you can also get an overclocking tool called radeon-profile for your GPU, I compiled for my stuff so I could run the newest version.
It's not fully complete yet but it's shaping up to be a good tool so far!
>CoCnix
No thanks.
Play games. Find solutions to problems. Getting homebrew and games to hacked consoles.
>just dualboot
This meme needs to stop. You'll end up using gnu + linux for a while and then one day you'll just stop bothering. Restarting every time you want to change tasks is just retarded.
Run software that actually works
Because there isn't any
Easiest example in the world:
GDB is absolute garbage
Windbg is amazing
I would but I have a good amount of programs that won't run on linux like solidworks.
It sucks because I want to switch, but until linux can run the programs I want without wine, then I'll be staying on windows
Some bastard created a linux compat layer for BSD and was actually running unigine valley benchmark in it on BSD with nvidia.
Not sure about the current status of it atm...
But it's all the same userland, just use a different kernel if you feel so inclined.
>Restarting every time you want to change tasks is just retarded.
it's not if you have nvme ssd
>dualboot
This isn't 2001 bro
Vulkan also runs on Windows 7 so potentially DX12 games would run on it the same way it does on Linux.
If Microsoft ever decides to drop Win7 support, enterprise customers that are on Win7 won't "upgrade" to 10, they'll just install Linux and be done with it. Everything's a web app now, anyway.
so?
No one cares about the boot time it's just not worth the hassle after a while. You can't be this retarded user.
How many rupees per post do the Microsoft Defense Force pajeets in this thread get paid? Anyone have the info? Because I cannot imagine why you would suck off a corporation like Microsoft who purposefully have released shittier and shittier products over the past decade. W10 is an abomination, and if you are defending it for free you need to get your head checked out.
and wine + other autistic tweaking just to get your game running well isnt a hassle?
I have tested DXVK on windows pretty extensively.
You take a 33% performance hit for running these translation layers on windows, compared to the 4-10% on linux. I don't see VKD3D being a whole lot different.
You're also not going to get proprietary GPU driver updates past 2020, so if a Vulkan bug exists, it's for keeps.
It just werks.
>and wine + other autistic tweaking
I never mentioned anything about this process? As of now if you're going to play the newest games you just use Windows. There's no way around that and it's unfortunate for sure.
This is a step in the right direction, but it has a long way to go. Also, it's Steam only.
The only thing more cringe than defending a corporation is defending and actively using garbage open source software that barely runs
Linux is so shitty it's insane, it's literally irresponsible to run it because it's so insecure
You have to compile binaries with -pPIE to have it remap the process, which is a standard feature of ASLR on every single other platform
Default ASLR on Linux only remaps the heap and stack at launch, which is completely fucking useless considering rop exists in 2019
Much less having actually useful security features implemented, like hw pointer authentication, or control flow guard to stop ROP chains
How about a kernel hypervisor, or even a patchguard-esque anti kernel patching feature?
The state of Linux security is pathetic, and there's a good reason windows 0day is 10x more expensive
The patches that steam proton implements are used in:
lutris.net
??? did you reply to the wrong post
>Also, it's Steam only.
not really, afaik proton it's "just" a wine distribution. there's no secret sauce that i know of. github.com
works on my machine
You cannot deny that the mandatory access controls that SElinux puts in your hands are to die for.
Sure with hardware bugs running rampant memory leakage is a huge issue but you're more likely to get drive-by access violated.
If you are knowledgeable to this degree do you really trust a loose cannon of proprietary software that you cannot even inspect to identify if it runs with proper safety... Why?
Gentoo is an option for the security minded.
Nope just adding, he had an AMD gpu and wanted to post a tool I use for my GPU.
Yeah most exploits will work on your machine because you have 0 mitigations lmfao
are you retarded? i said w7 is better and that i have been using it a long time, nothing about amd
at least we don't get north korean malware. try to hack me tough guy, here's my ip 192.168.0.57. i run clamav
>Because Linux is a lot easier to use and maintain than Windows
there is no need to "maintain" Windows though, and it couldn't be easier to use
>post-systemd linux
hard pass
USE WINDOWS 10 LTSB YOU RETARDS
Install Gentoo, void, or slackware.
It's free software, if you care that much you can grab a fixed version.
I need adobe software to run on it
I need android studio to run on it etc etc.
Setting these up for a linux environment is either too time consuming or near impossible. I need an OS with which I can get my work done and then launch a game afterwards.
I also refuse to use amd which is a big reason I haven't switched
People use Linux because it is free. No because is good. It isn't
Win10 is forcing me to install and reinstall an update which fails to install properly. I have shut down the services etc and yet, when I leave my computer on to download something for example, the fucker will download it again... This is nasty shit. Utterly nasty.
However what do I need for GTX 1080 and where can I see some performance comparisons? I'm sure there are some caveats if I run Linux only? How are audio software like Ableton and ASIO drivers etc on Linux? What do I need to run Windows vidya on Linux - do I need Wine or is there something new? Or am I supposed to run Win10 in virtual app and use exclusive driver mode or what it's called?
>installed win10 ame
>bugged as fuck
>still better than regular botnet 10
>there is no need to "maintain" Windows though
You have to install drivers on Windows. Not to mention forced updates, being forced to modify hidden parameters to do something like turn off virus scanners, having to reinstall Windows every few years because of DLL hell (then again maybe SSDs fixed this), and so on.
Windows is barely usable for video games once you get used to every other OS, which is based on Unix either in principle or lineage.
Seriously, until you not only use Unix-likes, but get used to them, you can't see how shitty Windows really is.
uguu
Android studio is native.
Adobe runs very well in wine with the necessary prereqs:
appdb.winehq.org
This guy's wine is like a year old, too.
As in: All the fancy improvments that make games run at near native aren't present but it still runs 2019.
AMD is not trash under linux
See
Nvidia works fine either way, but less well oiled.
>loonixfags faces when next windows is a loonix with microsoft desktop and maintenance shit on top
There's a few games I play that I doubt will be easy to get to run in Linux, and I really don't want to even try.
I wouldn't mind dual-booting except I don't want to have to re-open all my shit.
I like using Linux, but I don't know that I'll be able to get away with it for my main home computer.
Win10 is MS's "lets just update this forever" platform though.
It's not. Windows uses the Windows NT kernel and Microsoft's userspace. Linux uses the Linux kernel (hence the name) and typically a GNU userland (hence /g/'s GNU plus Linux meme).
>Try Linux because all the shilling (yeah, even if it's free)
>Have to create a partition for ram, what??
>Have to open the terminal for literally anything
>Browser, opens terminal
>Program, opens terminal
>Installing anything at all, oh, guest what, terminal
>Sudo kill me please
Woah, what's that, I just moved a window and-
>Vsyn issues
How the fuck do you even fuck the deskt-
>No audio
Well, I'm sure not reading a 400 page manual, I'll ask in some Linux forum how to fix it
>"Dude, just install this and that and this beta driver but make sure you have at least 10% battery and maxed luck or the computer may not boot, ever, and also add this repo which is dead btw but I'm not bothered to check it before sending it, the drivers might not even fix the issues btw, good luck"
>"Install Arch"
>"Install Gentoo
>"Install Ubuntu"
>"Actually Linux is a kernel not an operative system"
Well, guess I'm not solving this problem, time to game somet-
>No games
Wow, like 10% of my library is available, well, at least it definitely has to run be-
>Runs like shit, crashes, vsync issue too
>It has audio somehow
Yes, this suuuure is better than Windows
>Install Windows 0
>Zero issues at all
Oh and guess what, the desktop doesn't have fucking vsync issues
>The last time I used Linux was 2010
With CoC there's no reason to use linux over windows
you have to be seriously autistic to let something as inconsequential as that dictate your view of open source
tranny
>finally an actual good linux desktop system
>mfw it's from microsoft
the MMOs I play don't work on linux. pretty much the only reason I don't switch over. most products I use for commercial purposes like editing software exists on linux or has a worthwhile equivalent now instead of an inferior clone. But there's still games that don't have (and will never have) linux versions, wine doesn't work with them, and more bugs like that. So I will wait.
Dual booting is pointless, i'm not gonna waste hdd/ssd space to have another os to... do the same shit, that's fucking stupid.
>using a windows emulator
are those girls poor? Why are two sisters sharing a bed?
They're yuri roommates.
>Not sharing your bed with your cute little sister who is afraid of the dark and feels lonely some times so she hugs you time to time
what if I want to play video games or download shit without port begging and compiling shit myself
reminder this is all you do in linux "desktops"
spend hours and hours setting it up to look "good" just so you can take a screenshot and share with the other trannies and get their rating
also reminder that it's all looks, most of the shit you see on these kind of screenshots either doesn't have a purpose, it's dumb having it there or outright doesn't work
devs don't support linux because only like 0.0001% of people ever even buy the Linux port. And those few who do buy it just complain about how it doesn't work well enough
based
cringe
GNOME is so fucking garbage, something as simple as watching a youtube video in fullscreen has about a 50% chance of causing enough graphical glitches to force a restart.
>install Gentoo
yeah no
Wannacry was patched 3 months before it was leaked and used in malware, it was also a bug worth >3m USD before it leaked
Most of windows has symbols, if you can reverse you can find what it's doing, I'm not that worried about privacy shit and any of the shit that gets sent to the gov they have already, or could easily get
>hobbyists
>90% of servers use Unix language
>implying bill gates didn't steal everything from apple so people like you can think you know everything
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
None of those applies to casual computer users nor outweight the huge amount of time it takes to set it up or the mindset of having to learn constantly how to do whatever you want to do and spend a few hours with trial and error.
I've run Linux on a few crappy laptops before and I liked it because I like learning and experimenting, but I would never in my sane mind recommend it to a non nerd or heavily interested in computers person.
based
cringe
>b-b-b-but linux is so much better
>how?
>uh, you have MORE CONTROL! yeah that's it.
>not that you have 1000% more work ahead of you to use linux it's actually easier!
linuxfags are mentally challenged as evidenced by their choice of operating system.
I use Ubuntu Mate because I'm an Australian.
I just boot off an external SSD I have.
On Windows you have to manually install drivers and software. Literally a paradigm from the early 1990s.
With Linux you get a better GUI, better software (in most cases), better reliability, not having to deal with bullshit like rebooting to update, a real scripting language that has a ton of scripts made for it already (batch scripts are a joke), not being forced to change hidden system parameters just to do something simple like turn off the virus scanner, and so on.
MacOS is the definitive desktop OS however. Literally half a decade ahead of Linux, and a full decade ahead of Windows, if not more.
I want to use linux but I like my desktop having icons
Based.
Ironic. Linux has never been worse.
> SystemD gets broken and exploited like the little bitch it is.
> There is no objectively good desktop environment.
> LTS versions of Ubuntu are capable of memory leaking like a mofo.
I work with Linux systems on daily basis and have multiple VMs at home. Linux right now is in pretty miserable state. I'd say that people stopped deluding themselves with desktop Linux. At least Valve delivered Proton. If they only did that 5 years ago.
cringiest linux picture i have ever seen
do linuxfags really think they're going to "convert" people by posting their abhorrent childish desktop screenshots plastered with little anime girls everywhere
>Linux
user...
fucking this. Almost every linux /g/ thread is the same old multi windowed anime girls
>With Linux you get a better GUI
>this is what linux trannies actually believe in an unironical kind of way
trolled lol
Literal retards.
How old is this screenshot user?
>r9k
>pol
>trash
>animal crossing general
HAHAHAHA THE STATE OF LINUX TRANNIES
>average desktop/user
>90% of servers use Unix
are you retarded
It's not very hard to design a GUI better than Microsoft. Microsoft's GUI is literally designed by multiple teams of people who work on different parts of the OS and don't have any means to collaborate properly.
Linux actually has a similar issue, but at least you can use DEs like Gnome, KDE, or distros like Solus, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. which actually ship with a usable UI.
Or just go with MacOS, it's not that hard to hackintosh.
2015-2016.
MacOS user.
I switched over to xubuntu last year.
It's been pretty okay.
In all seriousness, it was much easier to adapt to than I thought, and almost everything works better, I used to get tons of crashes on win10, can't remember having a single one with loonix. The only real problem is that damn screen tearing, the only fix I found to this problem (compton) induced input delay I think, so watch out for that
>453276453
>453276964
mfw two free yous from the same retarded tranny
KEK
least you can get shit done on both OS's but unlike web browsers firefox in which sucks the most ass.
>it's all looks
no wonder it attracts so many trannies, just think about it logically: they all want to look like something they're not, so they push their computers through the same process
based as fuck
Send me specs, a screenshot of your steam games and a hundred bucks and I'll set you up with a copy of mint that'll work out of the box
How can I make windows 7 as plain as possible?
>muh looks!
they WORK the same no matter how they look
if you ask me, linux is more of a visual clusterfuck when it comes to QT vs GTK programs/widgets while potentially running on a different DE, good luck having most what's considered basic functionality in modern desktops, like fucking drag and drop between programs/desktop, working out of the box
I like MacOS a lot though
All three dark souls + DeS in RPCS3 work on this laptop.
//comfy//
unimaginably fucking based
It suffers what i call customization AIDS. Given by Customization niggers like you. Linux is a fucking mess with no clear goal in mind. 500 diffrent distros all snowflake colored. It is no longer simple. Linux makes it an adventure just to install software that is not on some shitty in built "store".
>People just want to put game in system
>System auto launches installer
>People click next and select a directory for install
>Get a shortcut to a file to launch the game
But linux makes this proccess 500 times longer
>You got to install all the fucking librarys because the snowflake version of this shit does not come with the right shit to make it fuctional.
>Spend 50000 hours typeing bash commands
>Time you get a game installed and working you have to go sleep.
This is what kills Linux gaming. Make it fucking simple you fuckheads. Then perhaps you would gane more market share.
>they WORK the same no matter how they look
Why would you willingly choose to use software that has an inconsistent user experience when you could use something better?
>if you ask me, linux is more of a visual clusterfuck when it comes to QT vs GTK programs/widgets while potentially running on a different DE, good luck having most what's considered basic functionality in modern desktops, like fucking drag and drop between programs/desktop, working out of the box
It's a mixed bag, yes. Having programmers design a UI doesn't lead to great results, but there are people and distros that are working to fix this, even if it's going slowly.
>I like MacOS a lot though
It's nice to see people who aren't blinded by anti-Apple sheep herding. It's unfortunate Mac hardware is retarded.
>pic
fake news
all taskbar operations have the dark style, rest is "regular menu" style
>using edge
>ever
not even ms uses it
no, i can't be bothered learning another os, i'll switch when m$ finally doesn't allow 'unverified' programs being installed on my computer
Even if we assume everything in that image was fixed, it doesn't change the fact Microsoft thought that was okay to release to the public as finished software. It's a clear sign of the clusterfuck that is Windows development.
Daily reminder that using Linux doesn't make you smarter/cool.
Take up both.
If you put if off forever you'll never see the strengths and therefore have no use for it even then the only programs you'll 'need' will be verified.
It makes you free.
Does Linux still not have a half-decent video editor yet?
That's what I thought
>linux every DE looks and works completely different
respond bros i want as speedy as possible with the least amount of outgoing connections as possible
This is Yea Forums not tech support for your dumb ass. How much of a potato are you running that you need to tweak an OS that's over a decade old?
Kdenlive & Blender
Don't diss blender.
Has anyone tested how far his views go?
If i steal his car, can i claim i am just using my right to take it and make a copy?
What about his ID and SSN? Just making a copy.
I set up dual boot into Mint, and I really enjoy how fast it is compared to Win 10. Just everything seems to load faster and run better in general. My only issue is that my hardware is dated. I'm getting ready to upgrade, but right now just losing that 10% performance is often enough to drop me from 35 fps to 25 or less. Once I upgrade, I'll probably have mint as my primary.
Compare windows 7 to XFCE.
Get Whisker-menu
XFCE is faster.
>using blender to make videos LOL
i have a 1080 i just want it running as optimal as possible
no thanks virgin, i am not spending a month learning how to do basic shit
>using blender to make videos
what in the fuck
>when you could use something better?
point at something better and I'll use, or at least give it a try
linux fucking isn't so far, I always thought when it comes to desktop its biggest strength is its biggest weakness, too much fragmentation ends up in shit not working as everyone would expect
I'll keep checking it every year, but I've been doing so for decades now and it's still miles away
I don't doubt windows is a clusterfuck internally, the thing is that I can sit on a windows or macos machine and literally start working right away on whatever I need, everything will work as everybody would expect despite all that
on a linux machine I'd probably just go full CLI and get a windows/macos machine, or even a fucking smartphone, if I ever need to browse something
Honestly, until you make it simple enough for full brainlets to understand how to set up linux along-side other shit needed to make it work and run the shit they normally would want to run/enjoy, you will NEVER EVER get the majority of people to leave windows. Above all else, you need to make it accessible enough for the lowest IQ to at least be able to get it set up and run internet along-side vidya.
>I like having an OS that doesn't require constant maintenance
>which is why I prefer using an OS that breaks down constantly and needs even more maintenance since Microsoft hires pajeets who wouldn't know how to code if it bit them in the ass
its because they have nothing else lol
might as well shit in the sink since it can dispose of it like a toilet can
>using blender to make videos LOL
Not him, but you sure do seem retarded. Blender can be used as a video editor.
>posts GPU only
>expecting good advice from Yea Forums
You're still running an ancient OS so it's not going to run "optimal" no matter what you do.
davinci's resolve
>half-decent
nevermind
>replying to the same post twice while calling someone else a retard
cringe lol
Install xubuntu
It is exactly the speed you are expecting.
Blender is everything and the kitchen sink. It can do anything required, including blending of 3D and 2D elements.
If you hadn't noticed I also listed a very good non linear video editor, Kdenlive for simpler tasks like editing together your 200% skill airshot vids.
>Have you considered switching or trying a dual boot?
There's nothing to "switch" from/to user.
Linux is best for servers, and casual desktop usage.
Windows is for gaming.
Just have both.
fresh windows 7 or 8.1 install, only install updates that plug memory-leaks (ie 7's infamous video-thumbnail memory leak with dllhost.exe) and other things mandatory for vidya or your work, done. not a single problem here
Windows has never broken on me. The problems people have with it seem really exaggerated. I've never had it force me to start an update, either.
It has no safety net when it comes to disk failure.
When sectors shred your installation is dead.
Except for laptops.
Linux on laptops has a habit of fucking up in hibernation mode if you leave the laptop a long time and you have to boot to terminal to fix it and it's a real pain.
Had this happen on two laptops. Different Linux builds entirely, same problem, and disabling hibernation has to be done everytime you update.
No DX12
Linux is still a shit OS for the purposes of being a daily driver. It lacks the versatility and functionality of Windows.
I use it for development all the time but I won't be using it for anything else.
The feeling is mutual.
Got experience with just about every vendor and laptop out there.
It's just manufacturers not following the standard and having buggy UEFI/BIOS weather it's windows or linux.
>cringe lol
>reddit spacing
Solid argument/bait user thanks for the reply.
but what's the best to make good lewd animations.
It has dx12
youtube.com
Blender.
Jiggle physics, liquid sim, soft body simulation, custom lighting and materials.
>Being forced to modify regedit and services just to prevent windows from forcing an update on you
How is it even legal? Is microsoft even allowed to do this shit?
>wine
call me when it's native you fucking freetard
It's their fucking OS, you buy a license to use a copy of it.
So, yes.
Yes. They own the source code, not you.
Every single component of a linux desktop provides the source code to you so you actually own it and can choose a branch/ build/ patch that does what you want it to do.
>gif wallpapers
To this day I still don't understand why MS killed them.
It's not inherent to wine.
It's vulkan.
VKD3D is a library to convert DX12, which in all honesty is a proprietary clone of the vulkan API, into god given Vulkan.
If everything turns out when it's complete it should be 1:1 on performance at worst.
Low level API -> Low level API
no
literally no one has ever considered doing this because linux fucking sucks and still needs another 15 years before it becomes usable. Bitcoin might become usable before linux desu.
Oh yeah it's definitely a hardware issue. Some laptop manufacturers design BIOS usually with only Windows in mind. So Windows rarely fucks up. In the past XP and Vista would break eventually, but these days it usually fixes itself fine.
I think I've only had Windows 10 break on me once to the point I needed to reinstall (GPD Win)
But Linux installs can break so bad that it won't even boot to the grub anymore. I left my laptop to install updates overnight and the next morning it's on Windows
I'm not going to try Linux as long as my WIndows 8.1 manages to keepm that telemetry cancer away, however if it ever becomes the case that I have to pick between Windows 10 and Linux, I WILL try Linux first.
The issue Windows has for PC gaming, is that its controlled by a console company that is actively hostile to PC gaming.
Windows 7 is only supported for another few months, what is your plan for when its gone and there is no more native win32 environment?
Wine+DXVK/Proton is the best way forward while maintaining legacy support.
>not doing regular file backups to an external disk
And in case you're curious about performance figures
This is dx11 to vulkan benchmarks run on my own rig.
3% difference.
The files can be saved, the OS not.
You must reinstall.
I am posting from a laptop with root zfs. Both SSDs have lost 500MB+ sectors and it doesn't give a shit, boots, runs games.
Don't need to replace them until they actually die.
There's a potential gain to be had on lower-end intelGPU PCs and laptops since the Linux Vulkan drivers by intel are way more stable and also faster than their Windows counterpart.
But DX11 and DX9 obviously perform way better on Windows with the Windows drivers.
But you can see this DX11/12 vs Vulkan gain with Dolphin.
wtf are you doing to your disks to fuck them up that badly
>But DX11 and DX9 obviously perform way better on Windows with the Windows drivers.
Gallium Nine is native D3D9 support for AMD cards on GNU/Linux, and it performs on-par with or better than AMD's Windows driver.
Windows D3D11 performance on the other hand compared to DXVK's you can't really describe within 3-8% as 'way better'.
Wifi has worked out of the box on every distro I've tried in the last decade. Meanwhile with Windows 10 I had to manually install Intel's wifi drivers after every update because the ones Microsoft shipped were causing frequent bluescreens.
In my specific case of low end Intel hardware it is.
Trust me I know from experience. It's entirely on the shoddy drivers made by Intel.
>DX9 performs better
Check this out: Gallium nine
The crazy bastards completely reimplemented dx9 in the graphics drivers themselves using the kernel's gallium architecture.
It beats native dx9 hands down.
Hoping for the same from dxvk as it develops.
Some guy is already writing d9vk to implement dx9 in vulkan inside of dxvk so it would handle dx9-11.
Disks fail. I have a small tower of dead SSDs and swiss cheese hard disks.
I just set them up in a mirror so the other picks up the slack if one starts returning trash checksum values or gives up.
iirc they've already given up on that after the october update nonsense and the spectre/meltdown hardware issues affecting windows too
The Intel driver is getting support for the Gallium backend to enable Nine support, and the AMD drivers have been getting more support for NIR to enable more commonality with the Intel and AMD drivers.
Right now though if you want to game on Linux your options are staying up to date with the open source components and running AMD hardware, or staying on older versions of the kernel, running Nvidia, and being aware that problems that crop up may not be easily solved..
The spectre/ meltdown debacle actually caught nvidia users off guard who promptly took to shaking down nvidia for 'reducing performance on older cards' but it turns out the 5% impact or so to fps was windows hardware bugs being patched with some atrocious fix that they took back in like a week.
I have an old laptop I was thinking of installing Linux on to be honest.
Drop the specs here and I'll appraise the experience.
The distro that gave me trouble with wifi is Debian and that's because the maintainers are actually mentally ill trannies.
Fuck it I'll swap. What's the best flavor to use? My friend told me to use Puppy Linux or Vanilla Frosting Linux.
>wifi works on linux but not on w7
how do i figure out what drivers i need
For gaming? Unironically Ubuntu LTS, its what Valve tests with and recommends developers support.
I'm kinda afraid to switch over then not like it. Is it safe to run it off an HDD for me to play around first?
MS is giving up the console aspect and lets xbox games run everywhere. They are creating a direct comp layer for xbox apps on windows. They focus on selling games and subscription hardware agnostic in the future.
Don't bite off the beaten path distros.
They should have a huge warning stapled on the front: 1 million users on ubuntu all talking and providing support, literally 5 people running puppy in some dark irc somewhere.
Grab Kubuntu 18.04. It will be the most familiar coming from windows, using KDE plasma 5.
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade immediately to grab updates to fix bugs. Then install your nvidia drivers or if on AMD, just reboot into your new kernel and play something.
The only reason to use Linux was security but after the code of conduct drama was used to boot security conscious devs from the project I don't see the point of inconveniencing myself. Windows just werkz and they're spying on you all the same.
Install it on a second hard drive.
If really unsure you can unplug your windows install and store it on a desk until you need it again. Loads of good tutorials on dual booting.
>MS is giving up the console aspect and lets xbox games run everywhere
You're looking at this the wrong way around. They are not dropping the Xbox, they're doing the exact opposite. If Windows can run Xbox games, and the Xbox can't run legacy Windows games, which do you think developers will target? Do you really think they'll keep developing separate versions of their games?
Xbox game compatibility is the carrot to get everyone into the UWP-only future.
>Have you considered switching or trying a dual boot?
No
>Is there anything that isn't working that you're waiting on?
Until all games on Windows are working on Linux I don't give a shit. I already have a perfectly fine product right here so I have zero incentive to switch.
They're not security concerns.
The developers were pushing back against a code of conduct change which could potentially oust good people from working on the project.
They do not spy on you the same. One spies on everything to the point of keylogging, the other is dead quiet and offers you the source code to change whatever you like.
1.90 Ghz
6 GB Ram
64 Big OS
500 GB
I was going to drop it because I used it in college
It's nearly 8 years old right now. I used it mostly for just anime and college work Its still running windows 7. So an update is in order.
Seen the progress so far?
Check out
protondb.com
To see if your games are on there.
What exact model is it? The most important part for gaming is going to be if your GPU supports vulkan.
I don't plan on major gaming (Thats what I have my big computer for. What I plan to use it for is largely work and more school. I plan to have a few games (Stardew valley, Shovel Knight, and Enter the Gungeon)
>50%
No thanks.
Lmao fuck off glow in the dark tranny
>Until all games on Windows are working on Linux I don't give a shit.
Not even Windows supports all Windows games.
Windows 7 doesn't support UWP or D3D12 games.
Windows 10's support for legacy games is often not as good as Proton.
you ever fucking use that trash? Fuck no. It's like, instead of starting your car from 40 feet away with the press of a button, you have to go make goddamn charcoal from the lumberyard and heat up a goddamn steam engine.
I have considered dual booting and if it goes well, switching entirely.
>linux has a bare minimum of 90% the performance in windows and up depending on the game
this doesn't seem to be the case looking at benchmarks
>Is there anything that isn't working that you're waiting on?
The above and better compatibility. Less reliance on terminal
>forced to modify hidden parameters
I just turned it off in normal settings
>have to reinstall every few years
I've never ran into that, the only times I reinstall are from upgrading from 7 > 8 > 8.1 then 10
>have to install drivers
Only the GPU drivers as far as I'm aware, and even then windows update will sometimes grab those automatically anyway
I get you like Linux but I've never run into these issues and the only one that even seems annoying is the reinstall you mentioned, which if it's every few years, it likely won't ever be a real problem between all the upgrades and natural reinstalls people do with fresh hardware
>You have to install drivers on Windows.
I have never done this on my current PC. Now, on my laptop which I installed debian I had to install fucking wifi drivers
> Not to mention forced updates,
I don't care
>being forced to modify hidden parameters to do something like turn off virus scanners
Never done this
> having to reinstall Windows every few years because of DLL hell (then again maybe SSDs fixed this),
I only reinstall when I get a new PC
>and so on.
Uh huh
Recent news clip but steam proton can run dx10 and dx11 titles pretty well now. Dx9 is already down pat with openGL but may get it's own vulkan layer to speed it up a bit more.
The only, ONLY reason I still didn't jump ship from Windows is because of games.
ONLY BECAUSE OF THEM.
If Steam actually makes their WINE version works flawlessly, then I'm officially only buying games from them.
I appreciate the info but 6 games is frankly negligable. The lack of dx12 support is also unnacceptable considering AMD is your only real option. I'm happy to see things improving, but I'll need a lot more to convince me to switch.
Check your games in at protondb.com
Most of them will work and if there's issues these guys will tell you what to tweak to make it work.
I like what steam is doing for linux. Unfortunately I still have some professional software that only runs on windows (Revit and Lumion).
I don't want to tweak anything to make it work, that's one of the main points of anyone reluctant to switch.
I'll look into switching when support for 7 stops
Alright I will give it a shot.
I don't mind making a few tweaks as long as they aren't TOO complicated and the game runs fine after it.
>Hur hur hur bro, broooo, I can use the terminal to watch the first star wars movie in ascii XD
>tux the penguin! Epic mascot!!!
>pfft, you wouldn't understand bro, it's a little too complex for the average user ;)
Linuxfags are fucking insufferable. A complete meme OS designed to make people feel special like cool hackers.
why would i switch? if you are too dumb to figure out how to manage windows updates yourself or require a 3rd party program to turn off a few settings you are too stupid to run linux in the first place. holy shit you are all fucking dumb
This is an even older benchmark of DXVK but...
youtube.com
Also
youtube.com
The main issue with wine: It's essentially windows.
Meaning: Most often you have to just install a missing dependency that windows would otherwise have already grabbed from another installer bundle.
Sometimes it's an actual issue with wine where it cannot do X so you have to apply a fix.
If you want a just werks experience try
lutris.net
It preconfigures everything for you and applies said fixes and bundles in an automated fashion. Just make sure you actually have vulkan install on your system and wine before you begin.
Fuck off retard.
this. its a secret club for tech wageslaves and paedophiles
and can you explain to me why that's preferable to just being on windows and being able to click a single button?
>>Hur hur hur bro, broooo, I can use the terminal to watch the first star wars movie in ascii XD
hahaha holy shit i havent laughed this hard all week
fucking based, linuxfags are so annoying
cope
There's no reason to switch to Linux other than to fit into the super sekrit weeaboo pedo tranny linoox club on /g/.
Lutris allows you to have the kind of experience you want but make no mistake, you regularly debug weird issues that windows has by default, but you're very comfortable with them and know where to begin.
I always always recommend a dual boot so you can just skip back onto windows when you aren't interested in learning for a particular span of time.
One year on Ubuntu and you can just coast afterward without care.
Apt-get seething.tar
Japanese games never get Linux ports and I like them enough to stay on Windows.
If they ported Guilty Gear and it was a quality port (so no gratuitous input delay or anything like that) I'd make the switch but until then Linux is a no-sale.
Jap games could not work better in wine.
They target windows XP, wine has complete support for.
You don't have to mess with weird applications to change your locale with either, just insert a one time jap moonrune LL envvar and done.
You can set exes to open with wine, making them click and run.
>susceptible friend who gets all his opinions from youtube installs linux
>make fun of him for falling for the secret club meme
>"it's just the superior choice for programmers"
>he's not a programmer
>he struggles over the course of several days to get wifi working
>never mentions it again
>he went back to windows
If you're not setting up a corporate server and you use Linux, you are a fucking fag
Dude just uninstall that shit and install Windows. You know you want the simplicity of using Windows back no matter how hard you lie to yourself.
Using Linux doesn't make you cool, it makes you a joke.
It's not libre software.
>You can set exes to open with wine, making them click and run.
Wow! What a feature! And all I had to do was spend 10 minutes in terminal! Now I can finally run a 10 year old game at 26 fps! Tux, give me a jug of mead, cause I'm celebrating linux viking style!!!!
>Right click
>Open with
>Wine
>Double click
Usually it's the default after you install wine.
I will never understand why you want to sit trough an installer than regularly pops up prompts instead of just clicking something and letting it go. I had to go back to the whole wizard installer for my software and it was awful on a fresh setup.
jesus christ your existence must be hell
Cope.
Bad argument. Computer is a necessity of life and "owning the code" and forcing someone to update without his consent would be the same as the house owner just breaking in into your appartment just because he can.
In the current legal environment this doesn't have a leg to stand on and can never be fully enforced.
I don't trust people if they don't trust me with the source code.
I hope you're using an open source browser, then.
>install a platform hardly anyone develops updates or drivers for
>spin it as a perk
>linux
I may not be super tech savvy but eben I fucking know not to fall for this shit os meme. christ
>Linux makes it an adventure just to install software that is not on some shitty in built "store".
Literally just yay -S
Muh nigga, 7 4lyfe.
For me, Windows just works
nah im good
>You have to install drivers on Windows
yeah, and you do on Linux too, your point?
>Not to mention forced updates
which don't bother me since I make it do them when I go to sleep
>being forced to modify hidden parameters to do something like turn off virus scanners
Which also doesn't bother me because I'm never in a situation where I need my AV completely off forever
>having to reinstall windows every few years
literally never happened to me, get better hardware
In short: get fucked linuxfag. Until your OS has actual competition to Windows, I'm not joining your cult. You guys are the fucking vegans of the OS world -- hipster soichuggers who think they're cool because they're different.
基
Based
Since most games require Proton, piracy won't work. I can't switch to Linux.
Already on it. I still keep Windows on a spare drive I have with GPU passthrough on a GTX 1050 Ti. It's only for games that refuse to work with wine because of anti cheat crap like MapleStory or Apex.
>This whole thread
Why is Yea Forums so anally devastated about linux?
Is this what happens when your low IQ won't let you use a terminal and some basic commands?
quote..
Meanwhile in reality Ground Zeroes still can't be played in any way on Linux.
nah it happens when we know better then to fall for a meme OS
I wouldn't need to spend so much time in the terminal if the OS wasn't always breaking
>o fall for a meme OS
t. winbloat 10 user
It only breaks if you're a brainlet who can't into reading the manual
>You have to install drivers on Windows
I honestly can't even think of the last time I've had to do that. Windows 7 and up automatically searches for and install drivers for almost everything the moment you plug it in.
Why would I need to do that? I mainly just use my computer for movies, shows, games, and porn anyway.
Every time I see windows protection platform using 40 percent of my cpu doing jack shit and bottle-necking every game I try to run despite none of them even getting near the upper half of performance of my gpu I think about how much better life would be without windows.
I might still be too much of a pleb to swap over to Linux but Windows 10 has given me so many hours of nonsensical and unnecessary performance reduction and fixing that life with Linux genuinely sounds easier.
It really is easier. Most of the complaints in this thread don't even apply to Linux in 2019. I strongly recommend, just make a bootable usb with Linux Mint and see how much easier your life is.
Hey man, if my bideo games "just workâ„¢" that's more than enough for my to try.
Why the fuck do you still need to wait 20 minutes before you can use your computer when installing updates on windows? It must be some unmaintainable pajeet code if they still haven't fixed it.
does 7zip work on linux?
You have an equivalent program.
I usually use ARK
If they let the user in too soon then you can fire stuff up and get mixed runtime libraries. Not such a big issue just relaunch firefox if there's any weirdness.
Windows is also retarded and takes out file locks on reads. That also might be why...
>google it
>tons of gay games
whats the full name
Why do Linuxfags always have such gay names for programs? ARK. Pidgin. Quadro.
It extends to the distros too. Some dude chugging a glass of soi milk with his beard
>yeah I'm on, a hur hur, linux chocolate mint raspberry swirl. I was thinking of switching to GNOME or maybe Gnacktrack (backtrack PLUS gnome) in the near future for the sake of Proton capability.
Like it's the computer equivalent of getting a tattoo or going vegan
>you regularly debug weird issues that windows has by default, but you're very comfortable with them and know where to begin.
this is simply false and pulled out of your arse. unless you are using some kind of new or niche technology like ultrawide/VR then there is rarely any debugging to be done. I genuinely cannot remember the last time I had to fix a game
kde.org
sudo apt install ark
Do not run this fucking command. Ark is a common "hazing ritual " that will fuck your system up for days if you're new.
Ark is fine, it's the sudo command that causes the real damage. If someone ever tells you to run a command with "sudo" in it, they're trying to gain access to your machine and all of your personal data.
>Windows by default attenuates your speaker audio when someone on VoIP talks you need to disable this in an off the path settings menu
>Mouse acceleration requires a registry fix to disable completely to get accurate aim
>Nvidia binaries use an arbitrary whitelist that you have to hack to bits with PCIe ID mods if you want to use any new features
>Dolby proprietary audio crossfeed I used would swap the right and left channels under heavy CPU load unless you snagged a very specific version.
>Microphone defaults to 8KHz quality, requires change
Trust me, I knew everything. I got a million more. Now shit just works.
>here's my ip
>192.168.0.57
Are you joking m8? I can't tell if you're having a giraffe or if you genuinely think that address is your internet facing IP. I hope it's the latter, it's more fun to laugh at you than with you.
I wouldn't be caught dead using systemd, meself. That's the magic of Linux though, you can throw out the parts of it you hate.
But will my VR headset work on Linux?
Steam proton is built with VR in mind.
10 is almost horrible enough for me to try dual-booting (games on Windows, Mint for the rest). With 7, I would never have considered it.
If you have 7zip support installed then your standard file manager will just open 7zip files as if they were directories. So, no there's no 7zip GUI, you don't need it, but yes there's an actual 7zip program running in the background doing all the work. Also usable directly from the command-line of course.
>having to use a fucking command line interface to extract a file
Jesus Christ. Linux is fucking embarrassing.
works on my machines
VR is a meme gimmick fad that is already over.
>mom check this out
>types a command line
>th-that's nice sweetie
>yeah it's great huh mom? i learned how to do it online isn't it cool?
great for filling your own ego
>Have you considered switching or trying a dual boot?
no because I'm not a tranny
Forza Horizon is pretty
Exactly, dude. It's like if you could have a free meal at a restaurant but you instead chose to walk into their kitchen and try to cook it yourself
Like, we get it. You know how to interpret commands. GUIs are designed to save time over obtuse and cumbersome CLIs.
Not even valve can be bothered to make their VR shit work on linux.
For the last time, you sweaty gaping mouth neckbeard, I just want to emulate games.
linux works better, but my current OS works good enough
Explain what, specifically, Linux does better outside of server use. I'll wait.
the only time i've ever really needed the command line on windows is for pinging and checking ip config, and for running a program some nigger dev wouldn't make a gui for, can't understand people that willingly want to do it
>IM A FUCKING 1337 hacker
WIndows doesn't have systemd so it's automatically superior than most linux distro
B8 M8
I don't fucking know, probably uses much less memory than my Windows 7 does
either way I don't give a fuck, it's not worth spending the time or effort yet to change to Linux
It's faster to manage files from cmd/terminal than GUI
>Wasting those precious seconds moving your mouse to the next file
Versus
>Press tab and it locks onto the best fit file in 0.0002 seconds
t. Forced to use linux for supercomputing.
It doesn't break every time I'm forced to update as ordered by the microsoft jew.
It doesn't spy on me and what kind of software I'm running on my PC.
It doesn't show FUCKING ADS in MY OWN FUCKING COMPUTER
And it's free.
None of those things you described have happened to me. I do remember my faggot linux friend linking me reddit posts about that happening though, so good job
>forced updates
>ads
Never happened to me in all my years of using Windows
Probably because you meddled with the configs of windows to either stop updating, or to not receive anything from MS servers.
And if you're having to make some tweaks, why not use something actually good that won't try to force your hand next time you NEED a security update?
And btw, I liked how you had nothing to say about the telemetry ;^)
So, when I said "none", I was referring to everything you said. There's no reason for me to specifically address one point if I've addressed them all at once with a blanket term like "none". Dumb ESL poster.
How did you manage to reply to my post while also being illiterate?
> your standard file manager will just open 7zip files as if they were directories.
I'm not sure how much more I could dumb this down, does anybody want to translate this sentence into Windowsfag for this chump?
I have a default Windows install and I've never had ads or forced updates. Caring about telemetry/data harvesting is pointless. Assume EVERYTHING you type into your computer is being permanently stored/logged somewhere, whether you're running Windows or Linux.
>does anybody want to translate this sentence into Windowsfag for this chump?
Actually I'll have a go myself; u click on it and it just wrks.
If you don't understand that I'll stick a knife in my brain to bring me closer to your level and try again.
Cope.
>dorf strong!
Based.
>Is there anything that isn't working that you're waiting on?
Magic the Gathering: Arena, Easy Anti-cheat enabled multiplayer games, fighting games, etc.
When WINE is able to emulate all the system calls without it being a gigantic in the dick to use (winetricks, staging, using lutris to make certain install scripts because doing the normal windows install process crashes/hangs/etc. to where you have to make the winetricks do multiple things to fucking install the game), I'll consider it. Until then, Windows is less a giant pain in the ass, even if Windows sucks ass as an sysadmin.
For anything that isn't gaming focused, sure. And even those have some corner cases that is a headache that you may not want to solve: Netflix, HBO, etc. You can run some of those on VLC now, but the fucking DRM makes it a giant pain to deal with.
For as much as Linux runs the whole internet, the actual developers of programs that run on said servers don't bother with trying to make things run on it natively that would actually help adoption and leaving Windows. Valve is about the only fucking one to try.
Gonna stay on Win 7 till it's absolutely defunct and fucked over somehow by Microsoft THEN i'll be switching over to Linux.
>btw, I use Arch
>referring to a manual that hasn't been updated since the 90s
>all commands are either deprecated or have alternatives that have little to no documentation
nice OS you got there
>Microsoft's GUI is literally designed by multiple teams of people who work on different parts of the OS
Two of those in your image are fucking legacy code. What is your fucking point? Windows is built with fucking backwards compatibility for better or worse, that's the fucking selling point of it. It not having legacy code/UI because the developers are working on new shit instead of redoing the whole fucking OS is why it's still used by businesses for better or worse.
>Microsoft's GUI is literally designed by multiple teams of people who work on different parts of the OS
Two of those in your image are fucking legacy code. What is your fucking point? Windows is built with fucking backwards compatibility for better or worse, that's the fucking selling point of it. It not having legacy code/UI because the developers are working on new shit instead of redoing the whole fucking OS is why it's still used by businesses for better or worse.
Based.
>Microsoft's GUI is literally designed by multiple teams of people who work on different parts of the OS
Two of those in your image are fucking legacy code. What is your fucking point? Windows is built with fucking backwards compatibility for better or worse, that's the fucking selling point of it. It not having legacy code/UI because the developers are working on new shit instead of redoing the whole fucking OS is why it's still used by businesses for better or worse.
Based.
>might as well shit in the sink since it can dispose of it like a toilet can
Fucking lol.
/g/ fag here, windows is cancer and unless you're playing like yearly titles, the adaptation really isn't that bad. proton is genuinely awesome.
You're so full of yourself.
Installing drivers has not been a problem.
Forced updates has not been a problem.
>being forced to modify hidden parameters to do something like turn off virus scanners
That's oddly specific.
Upgrading to a newer version of Windows hasn't been a problem. It's every few years anyway, or are you simply too lazy to do that?
>hurr windows bad
I couldn't ask for more. Why in the world would I complain about something I have no problem with? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Switching to Linux is incredibly inconvenient.
who u quote brainlet
>mfw all the games i want to play use someform of anticheat since steam proton
at least i have consoles
as long as the wifi is plugged in when you load the installer it will scan and detect the appropriate driver. most installations seem to ship with a whole bunch of drivers.
idiot
>Linux
Yikes
I can afford to pay for an OS that runs games.
>Have you considered switching or trying a dual boot?
I have been thinking about it since the whole thing about M$ trying to force W10 into everyone happened. Is it worth getting a shitty laptop with 2 gb ram if it's running linux? I've heard it uses WAY less resource than W10, which is what every fucking laptop uses nowadays. I just want to watch youtube and write some notes on it.
I have the opposite problem. Wifi worked instantly while no amount of googling and experimentation can get the ethernet port on my new build working. Mint 19.
Just use LTSC
i run gentoo unironically, develop for embedded platforms and know linux well. i remember how bad gaming in it used to be, and recognize it to be getting better
however, the state of gaming in linux is still abysmal. there's driver fragmentation - open source vs proprietary, different drivers for similar architectures, etc. almost every single radeon and nvidia card has two drivers available to it, neither one does everything right, and you'll have to settle on one over the other. there's the kernel... some distros ship kernels that are better suited for running server tasks, or take a balanced approach, in contrast to using patches or configs to lower latency. it varies from game to game, however if this is the case you'll need to compile your own kernel or trust some random guy on the internet to do it for you. plus some of the "devs" who port games to linux have no clue what they're doing and make a mess of looking for/using shared libraries. fixing this is trivial, but should i really have to just to play a videogame? and don't get me started on how many bugs steam4linux has had over the years
i run windows in a VM in linux, pin 12/16 threads to the windows VM while it's running, give it 16GB of RAM and pass through my GPU. when it's not in use all resources are used in the linux host OS. with this i have the best of both worlds - i don't deal with the shitty linux gaming experience and i never have to reboot when i want to play vidya
tl;dr there's still no way around it, if you want the best vidya experience and choice you need to run windows.
No clue, why do a bunch of people who prefer using a site that leaves their identity anonymous suddenly fine with every key they press being recorded by M$? I know W7 is amazing, but W10 is literally one of the biggest pieces of shit ever made.
brainlet trying to use debian
I need Solidworks and Photoshop, and linux has neither. No reason to dual boot when 95% of the things I do require windows anyway.
>i run windows in a VM in linux
This is how it should be done
You're delusional if you think WINE isn't running 10 year old games at 100+FPS even at 90% performance of Windows performance
Our hardware is so good that it can brute force through emulation but what's notable is what we're looking at 95-97% of Windows performance on games released literally 2-3 weeks ago (Metro Exodus)
>open source vs proprietary
And why is that a problem as long as they're both good drivers? The FOSS community should be able to develop their own drivers instead of relying solely on the manufacturer.
what in the fuck are you talking about lol, you have to be above 45 years old
I'm not installing communism as an operating system.
not him but if you haven't done these things lol @ you
I run GlassWire and I can see how many times the OS is trying to phone home. Between OneDrive, the uninstallable candy crush app, a Skype app I've never used, photo app and embedded telemetry, we're looking at tens of thousands of attempts to Microsoft servers every day.
I'm surprised there's so many Linux users on Yea Forums. Or maybe someone linked to it on /g/?
I made the switch 3 months ago (KDE neon). I also switched from 3ds Max to Blender 2.8, and couldn't be happier.
There is just no way that this top pic wouldn't be possible with nonrtx cards
If I weren't a gamedev in a very specific case, I would switch over entirely. I use Arch for gaming though. Solus is good too.
>surprised that v is full of animefags and trannies
cringe
>Blender 2.8
I literally got a fucking hardon when I saw the update features.
>ext4
Do we tell him
Wow! 10 year old games! At 100 FPS, no less! Truly, Linux is the OS for a master gamer!
do you pay for it or have a cracked version
glasswire is great but like $40 a month? fuck u nigger
That's not what I'm saying retard. Also Linux is running a 4 month old Windows game better than the native Windows client.
youtu.be
I paid $40 for 10 lifetime licenses. What the fuck?
can i have one user PLEASE they only offer $40 a year or something now
Guys, don't fall into the dual boot meme. Grub Loader is a piece of shit and you need 3rd party software for even the simplest stuff (like changing OS priority on the loader), and even then the repo who has the software might not be available by the time you want to download it. If you really want to use Linux, get a USB live distro in a 3.0 drive, I recommend Porteus because you can customize it with whatever software you want on bootup and it doesn't mess up with your Windows clocktime (you don't need to use the timedatectl command to set your clock to local, linux likes to use the retarded UTC as a standard for some reason). You can also create encrypted persistent data with it.
I think it's $40 for lifetime. Already gave the other nine away. They're on my work machines and family. Sorry senpai.
They go on sale pretty often though. Check StackSocial every couple weeks. Especially during holidays.
On GlassWire.com you can get 25% off right now, at least I got a deal that lasts 10 minutes that allows me to buy it -25% off
wait did you mean you got 1 elite key that works on 10 computers or 10 basic keys that can only be used on 1 per?
1 elite key that works on 10 computers
it's $39.99 per year on their website now, they changed it since the program was probably successful
i just found out you can buy it on steam and get a lifetime key for $40 so im going to try that and then maybe upgrade to elite for $20 more instead of buying it for $180 or whatever
Stopped using windows probably 3 years ago now as I couldn't install windows on my new pc. Haven't had a single problem using it in that time. Being able to install everything from the command line turned out to be far more efficient than downloading stuff for Windows.
>Can I buy GlassWire as a one time fee or "lifetime"?
>We have not ever sold any "lifetime" codes or used that term on our website. When we first launched GlassWire we sold one-time fee codes that are more expensive that our subscriptions, but we stopped doing that in 2017. We no longer sell these types of codes and we will never sell them again because it's unfair to our subscribers.
RIP I bet those are worth a ton of money now.
Remove your CoC Cia nigger botnet, then we talk
ive tried ubuntu many years ago and im still here. so far there was 1 game i couldnt run, dos2.
Has anyone here used an old distro? Something from like 10 years ago. I am asking because I want to know how you handle software since idk if those old software centers still get updated, and if you have an old computer I wonder if you get diminishing returns for trying to use the latest distros instead of an old one that had requirements more suited for your old computer.
i just bought it for $49 on steam and it said nothing about monthly fees so...
This. If whoever is watching me hasn't been arsed to do something to me in all those years, they're not going to.
just stick with Intel or Atheros and it'll just werk. Broadcom shit is hit and miss and usually requires firmware blobs
I honestly believe Linux threads are actually Windows shill threads, because the supposed Linux supporters never actually give convincing reasons to try Linux, act like fucking retards when replying, and tend to list downsides as upsides (such as OP, 90% of what Windows offers is not a reason to switch).
I mean, I doubt a single person has ever switched to Linux based on any of these threads on Yea Forums, and they've been spamming it so much for so long.
how can someone that's supposed to be versed in tech be this retarded, you sound like those console only faggots
he's exaggerating to make windows look worse than it is... i hope
im too lazy i think ill just stick with windows 7
Ok, and this matters how?
>just go with Intel bro
hmmmmmm
Again, if you're not doing these things, you're literally handing your data to Microsoft, their advertisers and the NSA :^)
>isn't that bad
Very compelling
>those cringelords that actually think there is an alternative to amd or intel cpus
just get over it tinfoil boy
>linuxbabs are also weebs
Do you own programming socks as well?
On Linux sure there are vulnerabilities built into your processor but that takes actual effort, not to mention a warrant.
On Windows, you're receiving tens of thousands of connections every day to Microsoft servers giving away god knows what, no warrant.
do they show up in glasswire like the user above said he uses on his work windows pcs also who cares
I was talking about the drivers, having to reinstall or maintaining windows and windows barely being usable for games. I get that you don't want the NSA to see your collection of dolphin porn but literally none of those things you mentioned is an issue. you sound like those uninformed 13 yr old console only faggots :^)
And this has been going on for years, meaning that there is zero effect on people's lives.
Yes but you'll be blocking connections literally every 5 minutes for months until you have blocked all of the applications and telemetry processes that run for the first time.
Not only is W10 an inferior experience for general computing, you're giving your data away as part of the software you're (supposed to) paying for while the free alternative is both better and more privacy conscious
Why? Because muh games? Well the overwhelming majority of games run perfectly and you're looking at a 3-7% overhead loss in performance (but you get better image quality because DXVK/D3D9VK has a better anti-aliasing solution during the compatibility layer process so it pretty much evens out)
are you talking about w10 or w7 with the glasswire example because i have never really seen more than like 2 requests to ms and they were from something i queried
>Your resistance is futile no point in even fighting it just let Microsoft have unlimited access to your files and send small packets of data every time you touch your keyboard :^)
no
Different user, run wireshark on Windows 7 (updated), you'll pick a lot more activity up. It's fucking disturbing.
Windows 7 as it was in 2011 was okay. Windows 7/8/8.1 have been compromised in recent updates.
Doesn't affect my life, clearly, so there's literally no reason for me to make a problem out of it.
why doesn't glasswire show it then also i'm picking up like 4 things on my network i dont recognize
how can i figure out what they are? theres a vm and my computer and then 4 other things and my phone isn't connected to my wifi atm
>implying that the backdoors aren't on a hardware level
>implying they can't fuck you over if they really wanted to
the only way to actually get away from le spooky nsa boogeyman is fucking off to the mountains and living as a hermit off the grid, you're extremely delusional to think that just by running your special snowflake os you're safe from big brother
>The files can be saved, the OS not.
the OS is just a bunch of files, retard; you can back it up easily, hell you can make instances of it as often as you want so you can step back day by day if that were necessary. what OS you use or even file system has nothing to do with file security. to keep files absolutely safe you have to take the same measures you do on windows as on linux.
You know you can pick when it updates, right? Just do it when you are going to be asleep.
More importantly, no government agency or whatever is going to give a fuck about a random user and his questionable porn. Nobody here is important enough to them.
>I have a small tower of dead SSDs and swiss cheese hard disks.
exactly what are you doing that's causing all these ssd's/drives to fail?
Again, one requires a warrant and use of a backdoor on a physical machine and the other is warrant-less, always phoning home thousands of times a day.
Unless you're implying they're doing it without online connectivity showing up using industry-grade network monitoring software.
I don't know I don't use GlassWire.
>You're not important enough to care about bro just hand over your data and be a good goy :^)
Well I'm important enough to send packets of data every time I enter a keystroke so clearly someone disagrees and that someone is partnered with every Western government entity on the planet.
Linux package manager that I use auto-updates all my applications automatically, not just the OS, which makes for less maintenance than Win10, unironically. What maintenance are you talking about?
it's like these jackassess think they're some kind of l33t haxxors by running linux and having their own nas servers
>Have you considered switching
Did it 2 years ago.
linux can't even get a file manager/file picker right
>inb4 kde
not good enough freetards
>implying they're doing it without online connectivity showing up using industry-grade network monitoring software.
>industry grade network monitoring software made by "them"
unless you made that industry-grade network hardware and monitoring software by yourself with no outside interference then yes, I do not trust anything connected to the net period
For those who want multiplayer games on linux, beware (about DXVK and Proton):
>Manipulation of Direct3D libraries in multi-player games may be considered cheating and can get your account banned. This may also apply to single-player games with an embedded or dedicated multiplayer portion. Use at your own risk.
Has anybody had success playing fighting games online with proton? I've been meaning to try it since I'm getting real sick of Windows' shit again but I don't have a dual boot set up right now. Particularly DBFZ, UNIST, and guilty gear.
Linux still isn't good enough but im hoping by the next windows its there. Or I'll wait for the next one after that.
You're a smart person on the subject but giving up and using a proprietary operating system created by a company that is a known, willing partner in mass unconstitutional surveillance programs is not so smart.
No, I'm just not willing to throw my data to the wolves AND use a shitty operating system in addition to an already shit deal. Why would I use Windows and give the jews my data when it's not even comparable to TYOOL 2019 Linux distros?
It's had one for years though?
>using a proprietary operating system created by a company that is a known, willing partner in mass unconstitutional surveillance programs is not so smart.
I do not put any important data on a machine connected to the net, every piece of important data I have is backed offsite and not connected so they can monitor my steam library for all I care
Tekken works fine from my experience.
Im already on Linux but why should i install proprietary videogames trash on my system, lol? Better use Windows with some tweaks on a separate drive only for games.
>the Jews
not fucking cool, SOMEONE BAN THIS GUY AND PUT HIM IN JAIL
This, only actual legislation in government is going to stop the constant invasion of privacy at every level. Only Hitler 2 can save us.
And in all those years, nobody came to arrest you or whatever. Face it, as much as you WANT the data sharing to actually matter, it literally just doesn't.
Whatever they do with the information they gather, it doesn't actually negatively impact our lives.
And so it doesn't fucking matter.
I tried it with Ubuntu 16.04 lts and absolutely nothing worked.
I literally can't wait to dump windows. It just needs a little bit more software support.
And it's sub-human authoritarian boot lickers like you why we're headed towards BOTH Blade Runner and 1984
Eat shit. Donating another $100 to the Electronic Frontier Foundation tonight.
If those wolves just look at your data and then fucking move on without eating you, it's literally a pointless argument into using Linux. As for a shit OS, it at least runs every piece of hardware and software people buy in their lives.
Lol
>runs every piece of software
Come on now you can't say that with a straight face.
>ALT+TAB doesn't flash the screen and smoothly transitions without the 5 seconds of flicker and stutter.
This is the biggest offender though, specially on fullscreen wine games.
>alt+tab on hollow knight, alt+tab back
>keyboard doesn't recognize your inputs anymore
>alt+tab on Diablo II, alt+tab back
>can't read item descriptions anymore
>try to close any game that forces a lower resolution than your desktop enviroment (say, 800x600)
>you have to restart because not even task manager will help you with that black screen mess
Even checking on the virtual desktop option on winecfg and forcing the same desktop resolution for your games won't fix it, it is all hit and miss and you have to try with every single game, because they all have their own issues.
can I have some money daddy
>mfw use Windows, Lunix and OSX on a daily basis
honestly wouldn't use Lunix as a home computer desu
Proton is good but far from perfect, I wouldn't shill it yet.
>there are people willingly using linux
>after the tranny code of conduct mess
the other side of the river is just as shit, stop pretending it is any less worse
what happened
>No, I'm just not willing to throw my data to the wolves
I don't think they care how much porn or pirated anime you have
>AND use a shitty operating system in addition to an already shit deal.
they're all shitty in their own way.
>Why would I use Windows and give the jews my data when it's not even comparable to TYOOL 2019 Linux distros?
again they don't care what brand of dragon dildoes you buy unless you somehow have data on your pc containing dirt on Hillary or have an assload of childpron
THEY. DO. NOT. GIVE. A.SHIT
>it runs every piece of software the average normie uses
>lot easier
>install win 10
>install chrome, total commander, qbittorent, klite, irfanview
>set for life
What now?
After MS acquired Github they put one of them in charge of it. First order of business was setting a rule where precious fee fees were more important than quality code.
just download winaero and turn off the mandatory updates.
After the fall creators update im never trusting Microsoft to do anything right ever again.
mint vs stock ubuntu?
Mint is a frankenstein OS, go with Ubuntu.
what did they change
they got rid of slave/master terminology or something similar in the codebase, which is a pretty common term in computer engineering
>letting canonical and amazon read your data
Microsoft's 1809 update deleted user's personal files when it was first released.
That's the kind of product you're using.
on windows I have to use a shitty software to use my usb wifi card while ubuntu does that itself...
Is this on a 2080?
I've switched before Win10 was even released.
so linux is great and all but what about unix? is freebsd still something people use?
100% of world's supercomputers run linux.
0% use Microsoft products.
so what did they change it to? isn't parent/child a common one too?
come home, old man
>tfw no pal to teach me about linux
i asked my friend but he said he doesn't remember and told me to read tlcl
:(
>they got rid of slave/master terminology or something similar in the codebase
Are they fucking insane? That must have broken a fuckload of things.
Yes
While not many, there are still people using it
And then you have PS4fags who don't even know they are using modified FreeBSD on their console.
>Have you considered switching or trying a dual boot?
Been planning to do that for years now. Valve adapting DXVK into a integrated Steam system just helps it transition.
Gonna stick to my W7 Ultimate for now though.
Wontworks 10? Never ever.
What are some good free and open source vidya gaemz?
Most of them are either shit or based on ID Tech 3, making them just somewhat prettier quake clones.
And so far nobody used Godot to make a decent modern-looking free and open source game.
If you're not lazy you can emulate linux pretty easily in windows by using bblean and cygwin. I eventually got bored and stopped doing it but here's some autism for you in windows.
Been using GNU/Linux for over 20 years and using it exclusively for almost 10. Fuck Windows, you don't need it.
Fuck you. W10 is shit, no matter how you deep fry it.
Why use it at all if the "recommended" version is the crippled one?
>gay anime retard is too stupid to use linux
What the fuck are you talking about? I even ran Arch Linux for like a month before deciding I didn't actually care about shit like i3 or nccpmp, not to mention all the performance issue in games already mentioned. Might wanna try to project less next time.
sure you did gay anime retard
>Have you considered switching
I did, then I switched to Windows 10 LTSB and haven't looked back
SuperTuxKart
0ad
Roguelikes (Actual roguelikes like Nethack, not modern "lol permadeath and random, it's like rogue!")
Teeworlds
Warzone 2100
Secret Maryo Chronicles
Minetest
Battle for Wesnoth
Switched to xubuntu (basically ubuntu but with less bloat) a bunch of years back and couldn't be happier
A couple times since then been cucked by work/school into needing windows 10 and every single time it has shit the bed in some way, it's astounding.
And I see that shit happening with my friends and family and they don't blame windows, they blame anything BUT windows it's major Stockholm Syndrome shit, like how old people put up with cable TV and commercials every 5 minutes "that's just how it is"
I really don't know why you think Linux is difficult to understand, all it takes is required knowledge, and that's just watching YouTube or looking up tutorials like everything else in this day and age. Intelligence isn't permitted by how complicated something is, nor is grasping it, and honestly Linux isn't even that complicated. You're sitting here trying to undermine me like you're doing rocket science for punching in a bunch of commands into your terminal while your tiny 2-inch micropenis precums from the thought of a woman being impressed by the notion. sudo nano apt-get a fucking life retard
>(batch scripts are a joke)
This is why powershell exists
you're right, i'm sorry, but why emulate it instead of just using it?
god I wish my dick precummed from that
When I was younger, I worried about going into Programming/CS, because I predicted computers would just keep getting more powerful and soon kids would have supercomputers in their pockets and be programming by age 10
As it turned out, the ease of use of modern devices combined with the increasingly complicated software in phones/bloated OSes means that all these kids don't know the first thing about how computers actually work hahaha
I used to be very confused about people my age and younger actually defending fucking windows until I realized this is what happened
Thanks for the job security, retards
>Last time was a stable update breaking xorg and needing to manually edit conf files to fix it.
Was your last time 20 years ago? There's literally no reason to touch the .conf file at all.
>.... will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>1999 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>2000 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>2005 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>2010 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>2015 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>2018 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>2019 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>2050 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
>.... will be the year of the Linux Desktop
I'm not very tech literate. What languages do you suggest I learn before I use linux?
English
you need to spend 30 years learning asm before you can boot up linux
Because Gnome 3 sucks ass and is slow. And if I wanted to play CSGO ESEA client wouldn't work
But, can you mod games on linux?
Why wouldn't you?
this is literally how you have to play games in linux
they come printed in fucking newspapers and you have to enter the codes yourself
Custom mod installers and the like?
youtube.com
more """gaming""" on linux LMAO
Linux isn't meant for gaming.
Once the internet gets banned for being racist that's the only way you'll get your games again bubbo
>installing anything outside of repository is still a pain to a varying degree
>macros in MS Word still don't work, and rewriting them for LibreOffice would take a long time since I know jack shit about how macros work there
>Mono still can't 100% properly render app I need
>100500 distros and all have problems you can spot in a couple of minutes after (and often during) installation
>various aspects still feel fundamentally broken when compared to Windows
>reinstall w7 because of this thread
>files i got on HP website for wifi don't work
fucking CRIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIINGE UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Again, games that are equivalent of commercial games from 90s or early 2000s.
Where are free and open source games that look like that were made after 2010?
Best looking game I know of is Xonotic, and that is improved ID Tech 3, but I would say it looks like a game from 2008 at best.
well we can make it meant for gaming
All you fucks need to do is take that corporate dick out of your mouth.
not him but what does free and open source games have to do with linux? there's steam, and there's tons of games for linux on steam, why does linux need to prove itself by having piles of free games as well? I hear the situation is even better now with proton
>we
yeah no
if you want people to go use your shitty OS at least make it worth their time