So now that the sequel to VTMB is practically all but confirmed, how the fuck would they pull it off...

So now that the sequel to VTMB is practically all but confirmed, how the fuck would they pull it off? How can vampires maintain the masquerade in the modern day?

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Set it in 1970s New York or something. A zoomer vampire game would just make me want to bathe in a sunrise.

Is it good? Never played

All that Healthy at Any Size, Ableism, and glorifying ugliness is actually Nosferatus sockpupetting to try and feel validated about being ugly as fuck.

Were good voice actors cheaper back in the day? VtMB had some god-tier ones for how small the game was, but i cant see a sequel ever coming close to the same quality.

You can get great voice acting easily from most people if you have good directing.

It's more that voice actors' quality has very little to do with cost. Take Dark Souls for example, extremely low budget for VA, but some of the best voice acting in any modern game. Another example is the 90's Berserk anime, literally no budget, one of the best dubs ever. Getting people from Broadway almost always works out better than getting actual VA's, while also being cheaper.
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maybe game in broken masquerade?
sounds like heresy but we do live in post battle royale scenario

Will the OST be as memorable? The guy who did the OST for VtMB said he literally couldn’t recreate it now because he made it when his life completely went to shit

>How can vampires maintain the masquerade in the modern day?

As opposed to Bloodlines day? Everything around today was around then too. One of the lines in Bloodlines was "We live in the age of cellphone cameras. Fuck ups are not tolerated." How is it any worse today?

Realistically, the notion of the masquerade actually working is a joke. It's one of those "suspension of disbelief" things you have to do with fantasy media.

Gonna be interesting to see if they keep the sexualized females

They will but they will have dicks now

spiked dildos for Malkavians?
weaponized horsecock mutations for Tzimisce?

Youtube had just barely started as a thing when the original VtMB was released. Streaming wasn’t a thing either

Meh the Masquerade is something that's half-camarilla and half-publicity management. Namely nobody really cares if you go berserk in public especially in modern time simply because there's no doubt there are vampires or thralls in the governments or even the media so erasing evidence is hard but not impossible. If anything the reason why other vampires would hunt you would be because you're making everyone spend too much resources covering your ass so now you're public enemy.

If you remember from the start of the game Sabbat literally out of nowhere start attacking everyone and destroying stuff no reason. Yet nobody really knew what happened and it was blamed on gang violence no doubt.

I believe the Masquerade could survive in this era of smartphones. Consider how advanced things like special effects and CGI have become. More importantly, these are definitely more accessible now than they would have been 15 years ago. Anyone can edit a photo or a video beyond recognition. So, suppose a Nosferatu was caught on camera somehow, feeding on a rat, as they do. How many people wouldn't think it wasn't a (perhaps brilliant, perhaps not) piece of Hollywood marketing? You flood the comments with naysayers, wait a week for it to blow over (and in today's world, a week is all it would take for people to forget), then you disappear the uploader. Or arrange for an accident. Or get them arrested for CP. You get the idea.

Where are the rumors of a sequel? I haven't seen anything

>post pic on /x/
>everyone there claim you're larping or schizo
>don't realize 90% of them are other nosferatu

Madness Network

They have launched a teasing ARG that quite clearly suggests they're doing something vampire related

Reminder that they have tranny devs and there won't be any cute vampires in this one because current year.

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Let's hope its true

What, you don't like Union quality?

I wonder if it will have DLCs and in-game microtransaction?

you are underestimating zoomers' addiction to social media. they spend more time taking picture of their meal than eating eat.

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>zoompire fledgelings

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$4.99 pimp coats if you play as a Malkavian.

There was an ARG started by Paradox (who own the IP now) for a fake social media website called Tender that let you fill out a profile with weird, paranormal interests. There were a few vague screenshots and a spooky song that played at the end

“Tender” got mentioned in one of the clan books as a dating website

As part of the ARG a video got released on twitch that people think resembles the Santa Monica pier

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Could you imagine the first zoomer fledglings

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Could a vampire RPGwith a day/night cycle work?

Bloodlines felt strange with continuous night. You couldn’t feel the passage of time.

Wouldn’t they probably be thin bloods?

After shit like Wasteland 2 or Planescale Numenera, I don't want it

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If you played as a thin blood maybe, or maybe as a Nosferatu because of all the time they spend in the sewers. No idea how that could work with anyone else

Thank Kaine that vampire blood is probably too thin for that by now

Turning a zoomer into a Lasombra sounds like the ultimate punishment.

Yeah, I always thought VtM:B really needs a passage of time system. It would also give you an actual reasonto regularly visit your haven other than checking emails, great for boosting immersion

>eating eat

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>No idea how that could work with anyone else
Sleep in the subways like a hobo or use charm/intellect to persuade people to crash somewhere or rent a motel room and sleep in the closed off bathroom

>the sequel to VTMB is practically all but confirmed
Did I miss something?

>he doesn't want to play a cyberpunk version of VTM

Don't. VtmB is peak 2000s Edge and it is good that way.

It would be too easy to maintain the masquerade in modern day only crazies/strange folk believe in vampires after all and unresolved disappearance/ homicide cases happen all the time.

You could always read the thread you know.

I don’t think they can pull it off, it was a once in a life time thing. It’s going to be a monkeys paw situation for sure.

Well there's probably some things one can't do but it does allow for more freedom in story/gameplay.

Plus too many weirdos are out on the street and any recorded evidence can be played off as a fake/marketing stunt.

I could see it used at intervals in the game for story progression, more of a timeskip than a full cycle.
It would be a good way to phase new characters into a hub and it would be nice to see subtle differences during different days.

Literally people at /x rn larping about being actually vampires. No one would believe anyone in today's age because of idiots like theme. Preserving the masquerade would be easy

I miss Christof guys

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Exactly and vampires have a lot of pull anyways send someone to fix a situation alittle auspex here and there and bam nothing even happened.

>How can vampires maintain the masquerade in the modern day?
5th edition says the can't.
I'm not expert at thus. But some of world of darkness fans say what 5th edition filled with gay muslim femenists or something like that. So, if you're not into this be aware.

How do you know someone didn't prime them to become useful idiots? Think about it around the 1990s and early 2000s you had vampire media popping up everywhere becoming a fad. Naturally people want to be cool like that so they gravitate towards LARPing or actually believing themselves and thus end up becoming said useful idiots. Don't you think if there really were vampires around they'd allow shows like Twilight or Underworld or Dracula to exist? A smart person would hide the truth under people's noses and that's exactly what's happening. Also wasn't there some NPC in VTMB that claimed someone gave them a script about some movie about vampires that was actually a metaphor for the VTM franchise in general?

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sorry my hair grew tinfoil again

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That's exactly my point, they would want it to be that way to make it easier for them to maintain secrey. Unless you're saying that this is literally happening irl

5 edition is not only trash, but also was made very shortly before the universe got hard-restarted and everything got completely retconned anyway
2nd/3rd editions are the only ones worth bothering with, also the ones with the biggest amount of lore, supplements and other books released for them

>Unless you're saying that this is literally happening irl
Uhh ofc not that would be insane.

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muslim vampires are based only if they are assamite

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Is there a way to hide from the sunlight as a vampire? If you just cover the body is that enough? Sunglasses to protect the eyes of course.

Do you guys have recommendations for music similar in feel to VtM:B soundtrack?
I fucking adore it, it's been an inspiration to me for many projects, but I can't really find anything similar to it
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>assassins creed before it was a game

there's no point in arguing with delusional retards about if vampires are real or not, probably the same kind of mouth breather you'd find rping on second life

>how the fuck would they pull it off?
they wouldn't, they literally can't, they company is incapable of making anything even as good as redemption let alone bloodlines today.

Dark Souls voice acting good? Please remove your weeb goggle.

I've actually found conflicting information on that. Some sources seem to state you can do it by just wearing a thick enough clothing covering the whole body, other suggest that it doesn't work. Would like some lore wizard to clear this one out

Uhh not really it's photon energy causing a chain-reaction in the astral body resulting in implosion of the physical one. Sort of like accidental/intentional but more thorough
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion

Think of it like this. Even if sunlight isn't directly touching you it will hurt you because if it's not concentrated enough in one spot while the surrounding is pitch black the light levels are still enough to carry said energy around and thus you end up getting damaged if you don't go underground or isolate yourself in some room/indoors that doesn't have a way for light to get inside.

Moonlight on the otherhand takes the sun's energy and dampens it thus the effects are negated entirely by the regeneration. Ofc it's possible for moonlight to obliterate someone but it's gonna be rare.

It's good enough for a game where you spend maybe like 0,2% of time talking to anyone, but yeah, in an actual RPG with lots of dialogue it wouldn't suffice

>weeb goggle
>the voice acting is mostly british
scuse me m8?
he's right, dark souls had actually good voice acting compared to all the shit voice acting in most games.

Why are you idiots making Bloodlines out to be a masterpiece?

Even with the unofficial patch I would say it’s a solid rpg with an original feel/setting but that’s it. So it’s essentially arcanum, right down to the tweest ending.

Fucking hell, I just realized that Nicholas Guest voices General Marder in Titanfall 2.

AND I WOULD BE YOUR CAINE
IF YOU WOULD BE HERE NOW

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It's a masterpiece(or close to one) in aspects which matter the most to its fans, that's enough. Nobody is playing a proper RPG for good combat or polished animations

But Bloodlines ended in an apocalypse and the last hours were about vamps openly fighting in the streets. They blowed up the masquerade.

Christ, no. VTMB already sucked him off enough.

We're fans of vampires and there arnt any rpgs like Bloodlines....

>modern day gaming industry
>Paradox
>"let's hope it's true"
I hope you meant to say was "I hope they won't ever try to touch this IP again".

No, it didn't. Bloodlines ended with another terror attack on a corporate office building. With senior leadership dead in the attack, the company folds and is bought up by another corporation. Depending on the ending the camarilla retreats somewhat from LA, but the jihad continues as ever, and nothing that happened can't be covered up.

Only thin-bloods can exist in the daylight. I mean what kind of freak of nature would regenerate so quickly and strongly to the point where they won't be damaged by daylight? That would be insanely OP

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You'd have to cover yourself to the point where you're also blind because you're covered head to toe. At that point you're essentially lugging around a small room. Sunglasses aren't going to cut it against divine punishment.

>Only thin-bloods can exist in the daylight.
Very, very rarely are some of those resistant to it. The short answer to your question is there are a few ways for a vamp to exist in the sun, but all are fairly powerful. Fortitude 5 could allow one to exist in the sun for a very short period of time, but there are other abilities that would allow for better and longer.

>was made very shortly before the universe got hard-restarted
Sounds like a good news.
Question is what edition would devs use to develop new video game?

>another terror attack on a corporate office building
What was the first one?

Dark souls... good voice acting... yikes.

Fight Club dude
that shit was clearly done by a soapmalk

The sabbat attack. That it's two attacks shortly in a row makes it easier to connect them and cover it up.

>Take Dark Souls for example, extremely low budget for VA, but some of the best voice acting in any modern game

what? it's just everyone saying their lines slowly with complete lack of emotion or inflection. you are confusing the way the dialogue made you feel with the voice acting.

I sure hope it adresses the societal struggles of our times and correctly represents minorities

I'm sure it will.

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>sequel to vtmb happening
>Yea Forums can't do anything but bitch and moan and complain about how it's going to be full of lesbian muslim tranny vampires

you people suck. btw you realize paradox is only a publisher for like 90% of things they do right?

Have the game be set in 1995 instead of 2020 USA. Or 1850s USA. Or 1800s UK. Or 1000 Europe. 2020 is a shit setting for Vampire.

Stuff like this makes one want to pull an uncle Ted

Ugh did you have to come in here man. Don't you have somewhere else to be?

>you people suck
Haha very funny

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>2020 is a shit setting for Vampire.

Literally walk up and feed on people in a crowd and nobody notices because they're all phone zombies

Didn't it look like a remake? Last time I looked it kinda was hinting at that.

In Player's Guide to the Sabbat there's 2 sleeping in a roadside motel bathroom, the most interior part of their room, and even then they gaffe tape the door gaps to make sure no light gets in.
Vampires get hit with a nosleep wall quickly after sunrise; it's just not worth risking.

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Why do people on Yea Forums always think there are going to be remakes of games

How many remakes of games have you seen that werent like huge-selling cultural icons of games

it takes more work to remake something than to make something new...no it's not going to be a remake

even in the early 00's the game is set in maintaining masquerade would be impossible realistically speaking

I have budgies and trying to take a good photo of them is hard as fuck even when I spend 12 hours in the same room with them.

I imagine trying to get a good photo of a vampire at night is even harder.

Deb of Night was great

>rehash of the Brother Vic saga
>new infected mobs are aggressive Pokemon Go players

>new vtm game won't have big boobed crazy vampires
JUST FUCK MY GAMES UP

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is this real

>lesbian vampires
Like there was not any in vtmb

what? who?

You can hit on Therese and VV even if you play as female. And those girls in clubs. Another words you can be a vampire lesbian if you want.

oh wait I remember that tramp in the abandoned hospital

Based NEET who hates unions

It's 5th edition I guess.

Isn't/aren't she/they bisexual?

Set in New Orleans in the 80's.

they're schrodinger's bisexual since the player can only be one sex at once

VV is a whore. She'll give you honey as long as you solve her problems.
Jeanette is just nuts, but I'll believe she'll fuck anything.

Therese will lick and suck anything as part of business. Jeanette is simply insane.

>schrodinger's bisexual
loled a bit

Very overrated by this place. Dialogue stuff is fine but the game mechanics are very shallow and gameplay is Oblivion -tier.

vtmb isn't about the gameplay. it's about the world they built and the way it feels

it seems like right before video games were lost to normal people, right at the end of when they were still for nerds.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SEQUEL, YOU FUCKING RETARDS

My main issue with the gameplay is really that the difficulty assumes you do only half the content.

kek

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>btw you realize paradox is only a publisher for like 90% of things they do right?
not vampire, because they own white wolf you idiot.

The ending is dumb as fuck. Other than that it's great.

I know right? What is this sick world coming to?

Be honest with me, user.
Did you open it?

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It's absolutely not going to be a sequel.

It MIGHT be another VTM game, but it's NOT going to be "Bloodlines 2".

Nah it's bugged to shit even with patches and the required combat is terrible.

semantics
When people say sequel they mean another game in the series

Nice lies, game has been virtually free of noticeable bugs for a while and you can skip all the combat with clipping mode if you really want to

on the second playthru

i got the latest unofficial patch, attacked someone in the hospital, and they floated up to the ceiling and got stuck there
its still bugged to shit

>uses Dark Souls and the shitty Berserk dub as examples of good VA
YIKES!

why would you ever do that trying to get a game over by breaking maskerade
Ill go try it now though, what character was it

Alright guys, the boss isn't going to like this but I'm gonna leak some screens from the new game.

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That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It would not stop them from bringing in a developer, if anything it would probably *encourage* them to bring in a developer because I am sure paradox is realistic about their development capabilities, which are not much

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weird rendering quality. fan made unreal engine project?

Thankfully they're working on a werewolf game instead. Though they'd be a good choice for the authentic vtmb experience if what you're looking for is something jank as fuck.

you're missing the point.
paradox are sjw shit. white wolf are sjw shit.
any developer they bring in would be subject to their writing, which is absolute dogshit currently.
there is no hope in hell of a vampire game being any good with the people currently in control of the ip behind it buddy

Looking good but isn't this from that Eyes Wide Shut game from Steam?

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Cyberpunk is a fad and you're a tool.

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>dude just use console commands to skip half the content
Great game.

the combat is bad nobody defends it

Regarding this, I always wondered: Does the block function even work? I seem to get damage no matter what.

combat is like 15% of the game at most

Call of Cthulhu
why did you even do this

The combat in VTMB should literally be god moded/skipped when possible

It wasn't finished and it is not fun to play in any way, nor even is it fair or logical

But then what's the point if you can't destroy your enemies with your vampiric powers? Just go from point A to point B, talk, then move to C and do the same? Is that an interesting experience?

Yes. You just need to have insane stats.

I don't remember the specifics, but I think it does something like adding your dexterity to your defense. Most people don't dick around much with dexterity anyway, and defense is dodge rather than soak, so at the best of times blocking will probably do literally nothing for you.

It's not good news, because the new version of WoD has a lot shitter lore than the original one, at least in my opinion. It's somewhat better mechanically, but other than that there is little reason not to stick to the old edition. Unfortunately, if White Wolf has anything to say with the new game's production they will almost surely try to push the new version

Have you played it at all
Doesnt sound like you have

You have to admit they feel very VtMB-y.
Well VtMB is very Lovecraftian anyway.

Pathologic gets away with it.

>Is that an interesting experience?

Yes, it's why the game is a beloved cult classic.

Nobody in the world cares about the combat in this game and more people skip it than they would admit to you. It's garbage.

All I am saying is that the combat, if you include your disciplines, isn't that bad for a 2004 game. You make combat sound so atrocious that you'd better skip it. And then I am asking what's left in your game if you take away combat.

nah, cyperpunk is dead now

>All I am saying is that the combat, if you include your disciplines, isn't that bad for a 2004 game

The combat is abysmal for a 2004 and is clearly not finished

Pathologic is a pretty unique example though, and only a very narrow audience genuinely likes it. It's very heavily immersion focused, but not in the usual roleplaying way, but more in the way of having a really strong, dense atmosphere and making you feel as if you were really there, in the shoes of your character

Combat is okay, it just gets repetitive and tedious really quickly

it's not okay though, it's terrible. it's horrible.

go play late 90s fps games like sin, half-life, quakes, soldier of fortune, etc...Everything is multiple levels above the combat in VTMB despite being years earlier

you can't give it a pass. it's not "almost okay". it's terrible, god awful combat with zero balance and half of everything doesn't work right and bugs out in fights

i genuinely enjoy the game for the most part. but i've tried playing it twice know and always get bored by the time i get to chinatown and stop playing.

It's a fucking RPG, not an FPS user. Combat is never the focus in those. Combat in V:tM:B is fine, it's serviceable, It's fun for a while, it gives you lot of different ways to dispose of foes. It's not great, maybe even not good, but it's not terrible. Stop trying to compare it to FPS games when it isn't one. Instead compare it to other RPGs from relatively this age, like Morrowind or Gothic. VtM:B combat is much more fun, dynamic and varied than either of those

>Give me the key
>1. Sure. Here you go.
>2. No way fag. I'm gonna open it myself.
Hell yes I did.

>It's a fucking RPG, not an FPS user

the combat is FPS combat, has nothing to do with RPGs.

Friendly reminder that it's going to take place in the nWoD instead of the old one.

Half of clans are melee focused

combat in VTMB isn't bad, you're just bad at it and wanted to play a shitty talk-my-way-through-everything vampire PUSSY BITCH

For a fad cyberpunk has been around a lot longer than most others.

The unfortunate part now is that it will no longer be as underground as it once was and will become more mainstream once cyberpunk 2077 is released.

Based.

and? it's still FPS combat. it's not RPG based. it's fully FPS. RPG melee combat would be morrowind where it's decided by numbers, VTMB's combat is decided by model collisions exactly the same as half-life 2...

Someone clearly hasn't actually checked how vtmb works.

>where it's decided by numbers
play the video game before posting again you mongoloid

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numbers affect the combat, the core if it is still decided by model collision.

combat decided in realtime primarily = fps not rpg

>numbers affect the combat, the core if it is still decided by model collision.
play the video game before posting again you mongoloid

how can it will be good without them hiring me?

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Hamburger Helper was right all along holy shit.

Ah, so you're saying it would be easier to get away with it today since zoomers are practically glued to their phones 24/7 and don't realize what's going on around them without seeing through the lens of their phone.

The Matrix came out 20 years ago. Cyberpunk has been mainstream for decades.

>you should force yourself to suffer through the worst of the worst for some kind of gamer credit

yeah, i guess she was right

you do realize that bloodlines makes every single action you do a dice roll behind the scenes that determines, by numbers, how well you accomplish something? the core gameplay is all numbers and dice rolls just like the p&p game. the fact that you can shoot a gun in first person doesn't make it a FPS - each shot is a dice roll

>each shot is a dice roll

but they're not though, and it doesn't do all that

VA costs now a day are just stupidly over-inflated because major studios insist on shit like having Peter Dinklage, Nolan North and Nathan Fillion in Destiny.

You get the exact same quality from well directed literally who's for pennies on the dollar.

carpenter brut is the best
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it does and it's explained in the manual: lurk.moe/vtmb/doku.php?id=combat

Can I please get a Hunter the Vigil rpg instead, thanks in advance

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thats basically the same type of calculations as the games i mentioned, FPS games

let's look at what is primary here

you have to aim, primarily, and hit the enemy, primarily, with a properly placed attack, primarily using shooting skills, period, or the attack does not hit and no math happens.

do you understand? It doesn't matter if it's resolving the fucking origin of the universe on every hit check. HITTING IN THE FIRST PLACE REQUIRES SHOOTER-BASED MECHANICS. IT IS FPS COMBAT.

Call of Cthulhu is a shit game, die for playing and posting it

wrong, and i can't tell if you're just trying to be stupid

when you fire the gun, a dice rolls. it doesn't matter if you are aiming at anyone or hit anything, a dice rolls for your shot and where it goes and how much damage it could deal. the fact that it's real time, that you can aim and miss on your own, doesn't make it just ~FPS COMBAT AND NOT A RPG~ since everything is determined by how you built your character, how you decided what ROLE your character would take

games with turn-based combat are not the only games that fit RPG combat. adding something like VATS to take away aiming doesn't make it as RPG instead of a FPS

>It wasn't finished and it is not fun to play in any way, nor even is it fair or logical
I'd agree if you said something like the PST where combat is nothing except pain between loads and loads of text, but combat in VTMB is at least decent if nothing groundbreaking. Melee attacks feel like they have weight and guns function and there's stealth option as well, plus there's plenty of unique powers for each clan that are usually more than boring "cast firebolt" you see in most RPGs. In fact it's actually fun blasting through gangbangers with your overpowered shit. Character building itself is intuitive and easy for a first time player not familiar with the tabletop ruleset as well.

When I heard people lambasting VTMB's combat before playing the game myself I was excepting some complete jank, but it's serviceable throughout the whole game. At the very least it's more satisfying than Morrowind's weightless dicerolls, yet you don't ever see people suggesting you to skip its combat do you.

It helps that vampires have a difficult time being captured on footage unless you're a priest with the shadow congregation or some such

>when you fire the gun, a dice rolls. it doesn't matter if you are aiming at anyone or hit anything, a dice rolls for your shot and where it goes and how much damage it could deal

this is incorrect. the combat is still based on basic quake engine hit detection at the root level.

what you're saying is that I can fire my shotgun in the air and the game will intelligently choose a target for the pellet if i have high enough skill...it's kinda obvious that it doesn't work this way

Not the extent of, say, KOTOR- animations showing lightsabers slashing through models and text popping up to tell you that it was a miss.

Bloodlines will let you sneak up behind an enemy and unload an automatic shotgun in the back of their skull. It's a first-person action-adventure with RPG elements.

this is incorrect. the combat is still based on basic quake engine hit detection at the root level.
no. if you fire a shotgun up in the air it will roll dice to determine what happens with the shot. it doesn't have auto-aim. the game rolls dice whenever you do anything. that's not quake-based hit detection, that's not CSGO where weapons do damage based on where on the body you hit, unless you somehow think you should never miss any attacks in this game because missing attacks is only allowed in FPS games

Yeah, but the numbers decide if you've been seen, and the numbers decide if you actually do any damage at all.

I just beat it and it was better than expected to be honest.
It had some great setpieces and wasn't your typical first person horror game where you just hid from monsters. The devs were clearly out of their depth, but at least they got the tone right.

>animations showing lightsabers slashing through models and text popping up to tell you that it was a miss.
you can hit for 0 damage which is similar to being told you missed, though it's actually the NPC out-dice rolling you and/or having higher feat numbers, since every attack is a dice roll even if you miss

do what do you think the damage indicators and crosshairs are for
fucking idiot

the crosshair is for hitting your enemy with a hitscan attack in the inarguably FPS-based combat of this game

>b-but sometimes the boolet do less damage!
yeah doom 1 has that

>in the inarguably FPS-based combat of this game
morons gonna be retarded, go figure

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You willfully ignored the part about the crosshairs, user.

>Deb of Night was great
God, I could masturbate to that voice.
Too bad the recording is constantly interrupted.

you are replying to a post which is a statement of fact about the crosshair

jesus fuck posting on Yea Forums with cellphone generation zoomers feels like being surrounded by people with dementia

You understand that cyberpunk peaked in popularity in the 80s, right?

cyberpunk indisputably peaked in popularity with the matrix

people who read books are a tinnnnnnnnnnny subsection of mass market

ahahaha

Im worried it will be extremely streamlined along with cinematic bullshit layered onto parts of the game that should allow player agency.

A sentence is not just a string of words, user. A sentence communicates ideas. You can't isolate a word in the sentence, talk about just that word, and claim to be talking about the sentence.

get it through your skull that dice rolling weapon damage makes it different from a FPS combat shooter like your apex legends or CSGO that you want to make VTMB out to be.

you were even shown the manual explaining how damage is calculated and you still can't get it. i guess zoomers can't read something complex like a math equation because, wow, you can fire a gun in first person in bloodlines so it's basically PUBG

its a legitmately broken game that has a lightning-in-a-bottle nostalgia effect for lots of 2000s emo kids including myself
i fucking loved that game but even back then i knew it was a mess
the mythos of VtM is absolutely great though
the tabletop game can be good fun if you have a good group but youll have a hard time finding WoD players who arent total faggots

>How can vampires maintain the masquerade in the modern day?
Probably a lot easier than in the 70-90s, paradoxically.

The vast majority of media are now all owned by a handful of people, politicians have dropped any pretense about not being their donators' bitch, and all the push against "hate speech / protecting children / fight terrorism" make it very easy to legally silence anyone for barely related reason.
Basically take /pol/, but replace "da joos" by "da vampyr" when it come to information.

Also, people now know that stuff like Deep Fakes exist and consider Photoshop to be pretty much magic, so video and photo of obviously supernatural events would actually be less believed that a few decades ago. Technology now reached a sweet spot for vampires.

don't listen to anyone who is using the "SJW" as an argument against anything. 99 out of a 100 it boils down to a few lines of text out of thousands upon thousands that get put to a magnifying glass so people here can flip their shit and overexaggerate the problem.

Oh no, one vampire in my game is a black gay dude, oh no, I can't be having this! I will completely ignore half a dozen ethnic or gay characters in previous VtM and oWoD books. Apparently people forget how progressive for the 90s the writing of oWoD was.

1) It's not hitscan you moron, try to hitscan a toreador, good fucking luck
2) The bullet direction is determined by roll, it's not straight forwards, not even a single shot, and the higher your firearms, the more centered

>get it through your skull that dice rolling weapon damage makes it different from a FPS combat shooter

But it just doesn't, because the game is primarily based on connecting hitscan attacks, so it's primarily FPS combat

>can't get it
no i fully understand it because i've implemented things like this in code, decades ago. rofl.

it's just that you are wrong. because you know what keeps you alive in VTMB fights more than aynthing? moving the fuck around to avoid shit. and there's 0 "rpg" in fucking manually moving around to dodge attacks

will they pull it off?

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I'm old enough to remember the 80s. Cyberpunk was WAY bigger then than in 1999. You don't know what you're talking about. The genre started to decline in popularity after 1992 or so when all things 80s became SUPER unfashionable.

>But it just doesn't, because the game is primarily based on connecting hitscan attacks, so it's primarily FPS combat
it's primarily about dice rolling attacks, which is not FPS-centric

it's going to be the greatest case of the monkey's paw in gaming history. SJWs have wrecked videogames and they will pozz this game to hell and back again.

>weaponized horsecock mutations for Tzimisce?
Let's not do anything that might bring /mlp/ on the game.
I can handle not having TFH here easily, but not VtmB 2.

All they have to do is not spend on celebrities. Go to a local amateur acting group and offer them a pizza and a couple hundred bucks.

listen you stupid fucking faggot: NO ON CARES IF THERE ARE BLACKS IN A VIDEO GAME. IT'LL HAVE A CHARACTER CREATOR (WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTS), SO RACE IS IRRELEVANT. WHAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT IS POLITICS (SEE: )

a bloodlines release now could cure modern gaming

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I hope they wont waste time on mocapping faces, and instead get a good style/mechanic

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Mee too. Really like the guy.

Now would be the easiest time to be a vampire. No one pays attention to their communities, huge fetish market to supply you with blood, government agencies are weak amd ineffective. Who's to say your neighbor isn't a vampire...

user we went over this. Let's discuss what it is primarily about.

Scenario 1. I have shotgun. I aim away from vampire. I shoot and miss. No math takes place because the game had to calculate whether I actually shot the monster first.

Scenario 2. I have shotgun. I aim at vampire. I shoot and hit. Calculations take place because I actually shot the monster first, in an FPS way, which is required to begin the chain of calculations.

This isn't arguable...The game's *primary* combat is FPS-based. Because if you don't execute FPS skills, you don't get to fucking engage the RPG math.

Oh, and, if it's RPG combat, you should be able to stand in place and have your defense and dodge rolls keep you safe, right? Hahhahaha. Once again, moving around and having FPS movement skills critical to combat in this game...

It's FPS combat with minor RPG elements...deal with it

I think it's fine if they remake most of the old game and just add a little new stuff

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>No math takes place because the game had to calculate whether I actually shot the monster first.
user, we went over this. you're wrong/ math takes place regardless if you aim at anything because everything in bloodlines is, once again, determined by dice rolls behind the scene

now shut the fuck up

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SPECIFICALLY?
WHO EXACTLY?

>The game's *primary* combat is FPS-based.
Okay, what if I just don't use guns?

polics were also always a big part of oWoD and shit like that always existed in the fluff you double retards. It was always full of "progressive" vampires. Fucking Troile and Moloch love story is the best example. There are both characters like that in old books and examples of skinhead vampires. No one gave a shit then, no one should give a shit now.
more examples:
whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Spider
whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Hector_(CTD)

Bloodlines just ignored it because it doesn't bring anything interesting gameplay wise.
It's like taking a shit with regular characters. Yeah your hero definitively did have to do that at some point in the adventure, but it would just be a pointless cut in the action so it's just removed.

what did we see so far from the new game, aside from the santa monica peer screenshot

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only truly based answer

No, Max took it away.

how bad is it going to be? Replacing 90's industrial goth with 2020's "WOKE AF" sounds like a monkey's paw to me

Still the same. You still have to connect with a hitscan attack with your melee weapon. It doesn't just magically decide to hit them for you.

Sorry, but you're wrong, and you shouldn't try to argue so stubbornly when you are the type of person who over and over types shit like "dice rolls" instead of "die rolls". There's just nowhere else to go with this. You're wrong.

The only way it could work with any sort of progression is if you're either not a vampire or a Dhampir.

nope, gave it to french boy on my very first run. I knew something bad was inside (you had to be retarded not to think that), but I had to see it, and how else was I gonna find out what was in inside without fucking my character up?

1) You don't actually know what "hitscan" means, do you?
2) ARPGs have been like that forever. See: Morrowind.

Morrowind's combat doesn't work anything like VMTB's though lol it's a great case to observe the differences if anything

>has to resort to pointing out ~terminology~ instead of being able to back up the argument

sorry user, you've been shown the manual, explained how the game functions, and you stubbornly want to be right on an underwater basket weaving board about how a video game determines combat, and can't accept how wrong you are

now shut the fuck up

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>cute rave girls replaced with Tumblr feminists in a picket line
>Tzimisce fat shaming missions
>Werewolves identifying as attack helecopters
>everyone is super gay, not just the Toreadors
I do not want this game to be made

Why have I had Lecher Bitch on repeat all weekend? Am I an edgy autist?

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>Also wasn't there some NPC in VTMB that claimed someone gave them a script about some movie about vampires that was actually a metaphor for the VTM franchise in general?
There is worse.
If you listen to the radio with Deb, some tin-foil-hat dude regularly call for "incredible discoveries" about alien/lizard people/whatever - with Deb humoring him.
In his last phone call he literally describe the main quest line of the game - without sounding any more sane than the previous time.
youtu.be/-AcfyuoyOkg?t=1862

>Morrowind's combat doesn't work anything like VMTB's though
Sure it does. It's highly similar. Connecting or defending against an attack depends on successful stat rolls vs the target, damage rolls go through weapon and character stats. VTMB being more advanced technically means they show your attack being deflected instead of going through the target, but that's just visuals.

Same for shooting. Your projectile accuracy depends on stats.

>Oh, and, if it's RPG combat, you should be able to stand in place and have your defense and dodge rolls keep you safe, right?
You have to dodge manually, but there are automatic defense rolls even if you are keeping still.

Anyone else pissed we won't get someone as hot as jeanette?

terminology? no, it's you not knowing the difference between a plural and a singular and where to use these, things like this directly affect the perception of your intelligence

please state for a fact that you think the game calculates rpg math if i shoot my shotgun straight down in the ground away from any enemies, this is the point you've defended five times now. say it.

you're making me gag.

It's not even that old, zoomer

What if someone made a game with all white characters today? How would the developer defend his creation without a mob of gamers and journalists after him with pitchforks? How would you answer the question of "why are there no people of color in your game?"

read the fucking manual user

Not him, but it does, and it'll determine pellet paths based on those rolls.

Kingdom Come sold well. The jornos were attacking it still two months after release

that are meaningless compared to simply dodging with fps skills as the game is primarily fps combat

go beat the warping shotgun guy in chinatown with standing still defense rolls in this RPG game, i'm sure you can do it

so because you can't stand still and tank damage VTMB is not a RPG

zoomer intelligence

>it'll determine pellet paths based on those rolls

that one little element, sure

what the guy was forcing over and over was saying that you can shoot random directions and if your skill is high enough you will hit an enemy because of the RPG mechanics

this is not how the game works, clearly

>what the guy was forcing over and over was saying that you can shoot random directions and if your skill is high enough you will hit an enemy because of the RPG mechanics
this was never stated and you are grasping at nothing to try and "win" an internet argument over something well documented in the game's manual

No, because you are required to run around and shoot simultaneously to beat enemies regardless of build, the game is an FPS in combat.

Defeat this argument. The existence of any die roll does not make combat RPG-- whether die rolls are the primary element of combat above visceral aim skill and movement determines whether the combat is RPG or FPS

sorry kids but you cant win this one I dunno why you keep trying, you haven't even posed a single argument in your defense

i want the sequel to introduce the other clans that were missing in bloodlines like the lasombra and the assamites.

You don't actually know what FPS means either, do you?

>visceral aim skill and movement determines whether the combat is RPG or FPS
wrong, and you have no argument to back you up against the game's manual stating how it actually works

Tell me why combat in Morrowind is NOT FPS combat. Let's take it the other direction and see if you can figure it out

I have faith in some of you

He was able to say he was doing it for historical accuracy. Outside of that argument, how else could you defend your game from the journos?

this idiot actually thinks the only RPG video games are turned-based like chrono trigger

>Tell me why combat in Morrowind is NOT FPS combat.
For one, you're usually in third person. For another, you're not necessarily shooting.

Who'll be Jeanette's replacement?

You can probably do with thick clothing / heavy filtering shit, yeah. But that's like a human wondering if he can swim a bit in lava using enough thermal protection.
Science say "Well, duh !"
Engineering say "Why not, but you are the one who press the button."
Common sense say "What the fuck is wrong with you ?"

It didn't matter, though. Every Twitter historian got 2-3 "experts" to come up with all kinds of wild stories to explain why there were significant blacks in 1400's Bohemia.

I don't think it matters how you explain it; if they want to attack you for not being woke, they will.

With VtM's current "fans" after the NWoD, you better believe any new game is going to be SJW as fuck even if it's not a NWoD game

Where did the 'vampires can't handle sunlight' shit start anyways, Bram Stoker's Dracula just got a nerf from it.

>oh no the SJWs are coming after us!

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Not the point you know what I mean. Someone compared the games but they functionally are entirely different from combat perspective

It's amazing how everyone here knows everything but so few can be bothered to rationalize anything they said

you can't even explain it yourself let alone get an argument across

>Not the point you know what I mean.
Words mean things. If you mean something else, say something else.
VTMB is an ARPG. This is a well-established genre, mixing action-game elements with RPG elements, letting players combine realtime inputs with RPG background rolls to determine success.
Fuck off.

Nosferatu. Dracula and Carmilla walked around in the sun with no worries.

>With VtM's current "fans" after the NWoD, you better believe any new game is going to be SJW as fuck
That should've been obvious after the werewolf "game" came out

Of course I can. I already did in this thread but I have to have you to explain it if there's any hope of you understanding

Correct

>he doesn't know the current state of WoD PnP
ironic picture, for sure. Nobody wants a new game turning an excellent cult classic into modern slop.

Ah, makes sense.

>t. tranny

fuck off

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yet you say the one guy is correct while he's telling you to fuck off because you're wrong

holy moly we got a real fucking idiot here lads

What journos? Nobody except falseflagging retards on Yea Forums and polygon gave a fuck about the "controversy".

If vtmb came out today THIS would be considered rick and morty tier cringe humor.

Stop posting

Yeah, it was still pretty dumb at the time. The point was to show you how different the malkavian clan was from everyone else that you could talk to a fucking stop sign, it’s good shit in that regard.

like all of mainstream gaming media? Do you live under a rock or something? The only gaming site to not dock points from the review was shill IGN, somehow.

A question guys:
When Becket finally warns you from opening the sarcophagus, is it because he believes finally there is a antediluvian inside, or because Jack told him?

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it was always the thing you now fear it's only becoming. Troile and Moloch, go read about them.

>anarch
>state
huh?

Jack

I think Jack told him, or at least told him not to open it.

If you think progressive OWoD is the same as the NWoD then you're literally too retarded to try to converse with.

Nobody cares about progressive ideas in a progressive setting but if you can't tell why people look at NWoD and take a hard pass then nothing can help you (Protip: there's an example in this thread).

One person tried to bring 5th edition back to Earth and got called 'alt right'. Give me a fucking break, all because there was a white supremacist NPC.

I think he doesn't know about explosives but started to believe that sarcophagus really holds a sleeping Antediluvian. One of them could destroy all the West Coast in one week. Or maybe he had a ride with the same taxi driver and had personal revelation. Either way it's humorous since Becket acts like smug sceptic.

he's correct in saying that it is an ARPG, doesn't really mean anything though

sometimes (Get ready for this put on your big boy pants) people telling you to fuck off are right

the chimp out over Brujah counting alt right people being among their countless ideologies was comedy, though. The argument that these real people who exist existing in the game was "courting" racists is hilarious

Combat as Tremere is very fun especially against humans.

maybe you should have listened to people telling you to fuck off awhile ago

>rehash of brother vic saga
>you hunt the quest giver instead, because zoompires decriminalised intentional disease spread

Scenario 1. I have a bow and a quiver of arrows in my character's inventory. I aim away from goblin. I shoot and miss. No math takes place because the game had to calculate whether I actually shot the monster first.
Scenario 2.I have a bow and a quiver of arrows in my character's inventory. I aim at goblin. Calculations take place because I actually shot the monster first, in an FPS way, which is required to begin the chain of calculations.

Holy shit, I never realized Wizardrdy and Might & Magic are FPS series before today, thank you.

all vampires feel the danger and some are lured by it into a trap. Because the trap is laid by caine. Lacroix and the player on his first run interprets the danger wrong because they feel almighty.

If you dont open it on your first playthrough, you missed out.

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>If you dont open it on your first playthrough, you missed out.
Lol no. I never read any spoilers regarding the thing and when I realized I'm in the final location I saved just to see what will happen if I do the quite obviously dumb thing. Then went on with the Inconnu ending and was smug as fuck.

Why was Sheriff the easiest?

predictable attacks, you can cheese him to death just running up and down the stairs while shooting him.

Because the game is broken in terms of difficulty.

FFFFFFFFFF

I don't even listen to music like this normally and I love this song anyway as well user

what does this mean ?

Vampire is a tabletop game, it gets new editions from time to time, the newest edition is very SJW friendly so to speak

Kek, I can imagine Jack taking him aside and explaining the whole prank to him and trying to convince him to warn the fledgling, but act super serious and scared at the same time to not spoil it. And probably laughing his ass of the whole time while telling him about it.
And then Beckett fucking agrees, probably while also laughing his ass off

The whole World of Darkness setting got hard retconned with massive lore changes, unfortunately mostly to worse. It's called Vampire: the Requiem or something like that, not "the Masquerade" any more. Most fans agree that Masquerade's lore was simply much better and more thrilling, even if Requiem is supposedly somewhat better mechanically

I'm not to worried about the game itself, the gameplay literally cannot be worse and the music themes can be replicated if someone's good enough.
I would never expect this game to get a sequel so this is happening probably due to some heavy fans of the game or old troika people.
I'm worried about the fucking tones and themes and the branching, the diverse ways to play the game and each clan being really different from the other is what made the game so good coupled with the writing and tones.

If the clans aren't diverse enough but also stand out while also being fun and not a slog then it's already failing on the first thing, and that means a lot of work

Then there's the themes, the game HAS to be lightly political to some degree as the the original heavily played on satire of the scum from the modern world but not be in your face about it, the original game is basically counter culture from the time.
What's the counter culture from modern america?
It's just a country split into 2 and I don't know if people want to play fetch quests between right vs left rallies that are actually just vampire clans at war

And the most I fear for is the themes, original had sex and violence everywhere, it was meant to show the lowest of lows, you had massive titties everywhere, drugs, scummy corrupt staff everywhere, dumbasses, you name it
I feel this is the biggest danger, the game HAS to be fucked up, it has to show things you may not like or agree with and I'm not talking political, I'm talking fucked up shit like the tzimisce meat house.
I have a bad feeling that devs would miss this mark and try to self insert or act like this is a fantastic world full of sunshines and epic powers, troika managed to portray the setting so well due to their horrible fucking state of mind at the time.
This could happen with shit like fourth gender jew muslim latino african vampire or whatever the fuck where his shit would be portrayed positively instead of just being outed as a malkavian loonie

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Well, my assumption was, indeed that, since Beckett words it nebolous if you ask him about it, which he had no reason to do, if he was actually convinced that it was a antediluvian. Since I played the Prince Route on my second run (Tremere on my first, with Strauss Ending, so I didn't even knew about the prank), I assumed after seeing the ending, that Jack cared a bit for the fledgeling and wanted to warn him. (Which I ignored) From what I understood, Jack did it mainly, because whoever opens the sarcaphogus, would propably be a asshole who had it coming, be it the Sabbat, the Prince or somebody else.

>tfw Toreador with Malk bf

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Jack probably wanted to have the first bite but upon discovering that it contains a dried human husk decided to lay a trap for LaCroix.

he probably encountered Cain the cabbie.

>Malk bf
Well, trannies are mentally ill. Har har.

This. Actual footage of a vampire attack would get called fake and gay these days.

I still don't fucking get it
how the fuck was it opened from the inside
what the hell happened on that ship

Have someone at least started to backport the few scraps of good stuff to VtM?

it wasn't. Jack made it look that way. Your character only got a superficial glimpse of it.

>backport
Wut? Do you know how TTRPGs work user? The books for the old VtM still exist(well, they aren't printed any more, but that's not much of a problem when pdfs exist), if you want to play in the old setting with old lore, you just run a campaign in old setting with old lore. It's just that no new stuff will ever get released for it and the new and worse one is now the officially promoted one

With high Protean vampires can turn into mist. Turn into mist, sneak into sarcophagus, turn back, diablerize the host, open it from the inside if needed.

Got the Dancing Werewolf first time around. After that I gave the key away and fucked off.

not necessarily. It only depends on the generation of their sire.

Jack opens it, removes mummy, plants bloodprints, adds explosives, locks it again.

I got to flip Nines as Toreador

>Cyberpunk is a fad
does it count as a fad if has been around for like 40 years now?
>actually not liking cyberpunk in 2011+8 and calling other tools
ISHYGDDT

Jack canonically does not know Protean at all though.
Still, it's not really a problem. I don't really remember where the "opened from the inside" bit came from again, but he could have just make it look like that or even edit the police reports on the ship

Wait, sorry, I did not understand your question correctly. I don't really know, haven't checked for that. I guess there isn't much stopping you from just playing with new mechanics and old setting, the core fundamentals are still similar

>bit came from again
Police on the ship, IIRC. The ones talking in front of it.

Yeah, I meant a well-thought out homebrew becoming an "official" "fanon" setting.

Blood prints on the lid. Easy to fake.

Nosferatu literally died from sunlight though didn't he?

He opened it with the key and planted evidence to make it look like it was opened from the inside.

I'd love to see an Assamite NPC in style of Yurt from Demon's Souls: you find him in need of assistance, but if you do help him he starts to systematically kill important NPCs one by one, until you figure out it's him and kill him yourself. I doubt they will have the balls to pull of something like that though

Finally someone who understands

Yeah, I'm worried about this as well. VTMB had stuff like
>seducing people or buying hookers as a gameplay mechanic to fill your blood
>tits and ass everywhere
>snuff film studio level
>clingy ghoul girl NPC with dialogue options where the PC obviously treats her as a pet
The game would easily draw the ire of gaming and other media like nothing else if it was released today for the first time. If anything the game could probably use more gay shit as well so there'd more options all around, but I'm afraid they're just gonna heavily tone down all the sexual and extremely violent content altogether in an attempt to appeal to larger audiences.

>The game would easily draw the ire of gaming and other media like nothing else if it was released today for the first time
This is so easy to handle. Just don't engage. If you don't feed the controversy, it dies. The business of media is business, not ideology.

This. People just need to stop giving a fuck. If nobody responds, everything will forget about it about a week tops. People screeching about bullshit like that are a minority anyway, just a really vocal one, half of which probably doesn't even play the game

Fun fact, the original designs was to have it so that you could point buy how many Blood Points you could spend which would mean the raising of you Generation. Thought that was neat.

Except that publishers themselves manufacture controversies for publicity, so expect the new vtmb to be marketed either as based (like Kingdom Come) or pozzed (like the Assassin's Creed) even if the game itself is completely apolitical.