I saw the last thread we did on basically real conspircies and deep politics.
I'm want to make a thread where can gather a bunch of titles so that we can maybe make a chart about the secret history of the US/CIA.
The first one is probably one of the most popular in recent years.
CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties by Tom O'Neill with Dan Piepenbring
>A journalist's twenty-year fascination with the Manson murders leads to shocking new revelations about the FBI's involvement in this riveting reassessment of an infamous case in American history.
Basically, it revels that there is credible links to Manson and the CIA's MKUltra program. That maybe Manson was used as a way to destroy the popularity of the hippie movement or something to that effect.
This is one I've heard has a lot problems with it sourcing, but it's still interesting.
Family of Secrets by Russ Baker
Basically, it supposed to show how many intelligence connections George H.W. Bush had going back to when he was 19, and his connections to the JFK assassination and Watergate.
Fun fact: Bush Sr said he didn't remember where he was when Kennedy was assassinated when asked. That's like saying you forgot where you were when 9/11 even though you were a fully grown adult by then.
The Jakarta Method: Washington's Anticommunist Crusade and the Mass Murder Program that Shaped Our World by Vincent Bevins
It's a history of how the CIA helped sponsor a campaign in Indonesia to kill of communists (Or anyone perceived to be communist). This model was later used in South America with Operation Condor.
This the same mass killing that is covered in that documentary The Act of Killing.
Operation Gladio: The Unholy Alliance between the Vatican, the CIA, and the Mafia by Paul L. Williams
A book about the European stay behind networks that were run by neo-fascists that were supposed to resist a Soviet invasion, but they also committed terrorist acts in their native countries, often false flags to make the left look bad.
>Basically, it revels that there is credible links to Manson and the CIA's MKUltra program
Have you read it? I don't remember it coming to this conclusion.
Cameron James
This was a good overview of the MK-ULTRA program and a biography of the guy who ran it, Sydney Gottlieb.
It was a bit dry at times, but as far as I can tell all the information contained within is credible. It did a good job of illustrating the geopolitical context that led to the program's creation. Then it goes into the various characters involved in the program and the oftentimes psychotic experiments they conducted on vulnerable or unsuspected citizens. Then it closes with (purported) conclusion of the program and its discovery by the public.
I don’t want to come off as an asshole but you won’t to find anything noteworthy by reading NYT Bestseller of the Month type books. Look at this one >former head of the CIA and president has intelligence ties Well, yeah, no shit. Searching through schizo threads and infographics would be a better way to spend your time.
David Wilson
Most of that stuff is either CIA disinfo or schizo fanfiction
Owen Ramirez
I got a good one OP. >So civil rights law is basically an all-purpose magic key that allows the Federal Government, the left-wing desk jockeys (that were absorbed into the New Deal) and corrupt judges to override democratic majorities whenever they want.
>The federal government violently interposed itself into everyone's affairs, and things went to shit. The feds were never competent to assume this role, as is easily seen by comparing the state of many southern cities in 1950 to 2021. The larger meta-narrative here is that the 'American experiment' of local self-government and it’s federalism had to be killed in order to enact a new vision of unitary social crowd control directed by a much smaller number of distant elites in D.C with Blacks and other groups being it’s protected front runners.
>Blacks have been progressively reprogrammed to be CIA adapted statists without being card holders, they were planned to be forcefully integrated into local social norms which was to uproot customs against the local government in favor of the progressive statism in D.C. So whenever a local state gets too “uppity” for the Feds liking, they initiate “Codeword: Nigger” which causes more friction between the two Races living together to spark a Race Riot. Blacks and Leftists in your community will apeshit and destroy everything.
>Feds come in to “clean up the mess” and impose itself as a moral, just system.
>The overestimation of black people’s part in contemporary society was extraordinary. About 12 percent of the country was black at the turn of the century, according to the U.S. Census. But the average American believed 33 percent of Americans were black, a Gallup poll found. A sixth of Americans believed it was a majority black country. The closest to accurate were those who held postgraduate degrees, and even they guessed that the black population was double its actual size. Why wouldn’t they? Most people don’t spend their days boning up on demographic statistics or counting people by race. If America were only one-eighth black, then the obsessive way politicians and journalists spoke about race made no sense. The same was true of the way politicians and journalists spoke about gays. In the second decade of the century, Americans, on average, came to believe that the country was between 23 and 25 percent gay, bisexual, or transgender—about 1 in 4. Again, given the doggedness with which the president and the courts took up the cause of gay marriage, and the eagerness with which newspapers and television reported on every step of their progress, why should they have believed otherwise? Who would have guessed that gays, bisexuals, and transgender people together made up 3.8 percent of the population, closer to 1 in 25? Americans had a distorted view of social reality. Their language evolved to reflect it.
Justin Nguyen
>CIA disinfo Like every single book in this thread?
Dominic Bell
i thought it was the CIA that started the hippie movement?
No, I'm talking about the kind of disinfo that conspiracy theorists look like nutjobs and makes normal people roll their eyes whenever your bring up anything not openly reported in CNN.
Alexander Torres
Victoria Sanford wrote a good book on the effects of paramilitary actions in Guatemala. It’s an anthropology book that has a lot of first hand accounts and some interviews with goon squads who suppress information now. It’s not really the deep dive into CIA shit you’re looking for but it’s pretty good for showing how fucked the things they did were and how it’s still lingering in South America.
James Carter
this book is really fucking good
Carson Lee
Thirding this book. The most interesting part to me was how almost nobody who supported the Civil Rights legislation at the time, including the Congressmen who were baking it, saw it as anything more than a way to deal with the South. Nobody thought it would turn the entire country into some kind of white guilt multicultural empire, nobody even thought it would do that to the South. People just wanted the South to be less low brow racist and more high brow racist like the rest of the country.
Sebastian Clark
I've always been very interested in this topic OP I would recommend most of the books here from the 70s/80s/90s. My more recent readings have been more about the drone campaign and the Kochs, less relevant. Though just as chilling, maybe even more so when you consider the long term plans of the Kochs and their allies. The 1965 killings were on a much larger scale, 600,000+ in Indonesia where as Chiles coup resulted in several thousand. Condor was a campaign of assassinating exiled rebels and dissidents around South America and abroad, it was totally different to Indonesias mass killings, like the car bomb assassination of Orlando Letelier in Washington DC. The book here Assassination on Embassy Row is about this. Franklin was a distraction from an investigation into an S&L collapse. MK Ultra was looking at torture, truth serums, and and intelligence applications for LSD. Anyone saying mind control is falling for CIA disinformation. >letting minorities have equal rights is an evil conspiracy >no no no we're not racist the minorities are being manipulated to dislike our mistreatment, er, uh, I mean, um, impose themselves on our local social norms, yeah, that's it let me know when you're concerned about the corporate hijacking of the courts
I'll go summarise the works I'd recommend: Decent Interval by Frank Snepp: ex-CIA officer Snepp provides a first hand account of the chaos and corruption of the final years of the intelligence operation in Vietnam including the ignominious and infamous withdrawal that they had refused to properly plan for, Hidden Terrors by A.J. Langguth: uses the murder of Dan Mitrione by Tupamaro guerrillas in Uruguay to investigate the US practice of teaching torture to South American and other foreign police forces under a the guise of a US AID program almost certainly sponsored by the CIA In Search of Enemies by John Stockwell: ex-CIA officer Stockwell provides a first hand account of the operation the CIA got involved in after Vietnam, provoking a civil war in Angola, and how the agencies hubris caused it to spiral out of control. The Question of Palestine by Edward Said: goes through the history and demographics of the Palestinian people, disproving the Zionist claim they dont exist and the land was empty, and the expulsion in 1947 and the war it created, and the state of the Palestinian people up to the then contemporary time of the 1970s. Stockwell and Snepps book both explain how the CIA manipulates the press. After the Cataclysm by Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman: how Americas intelligencia tries to rewrite the Indochina wars. Assassination Embassy Row by John Dinges: an investigation into the assassination of Orlando Letelier and Ronnie Moffit in Washington DC by Chiles intelligence service. Timor A People Betrayed by James Dunn: a thorough account of Indonesias 1975 invasion and occupation of East Timor, the 250,000 people this probably killed, and the years of occupation that followed. Deadly Deceits by Ralph McGehee: yet another ex-CIA officer, more of a general overview of the places incompetence and petty politics. Weakness and Deceit by Raymond Bonner (this is the one on the top left with the cover too faded to read): Bonner was one of the journalists who broke the El Mozote Massacre story and had his career ruined by it, this book is about the El Salvador milita governments war against the popular insurgency and Washingtons support for it. Out of Control by Leslie Cockburn: a general overview of all the crimes of the Raygun administration.
Eli Bell
>Franklin was a distraction from an investigation into an S&L collapse Other way around.
Adrian Gray
>That maybe Manson was used as a way to destroy the popularity of the hippie movement or something to that effect. Resounding failure then, and if Manson knew anything about it, he said nothing and the glow-in-the-darks knew he would say nothing about it until he died of natural causes decades later.
Asher Williams
Bob Woodwards Veil is something I would mostly _not_ recommend, the first 160+ pages is tepid office politics and interpersonal squabbles, after that when things finally get into gear he acts mainly as a court historian reporting the official view of Casey and others. Only a few times does he intrude with critical assessments of their pronouncements, and these are interesting show he is capable of being a journalist but all too rare. One of the examples of this is his revelation that Casey and other high ranking Raygun officials were in love with the work of Claire Sterling: they were absolutely convinced by her claims about a worldwide Soviet conspiracy that was centrally coordinating all revolutions, terrorist groups, the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul, etc. They refused to believe an internal review of her work by CIA analysts that concluded her claims were not only unsupported but that some of her sources were in fact ***stories that the CIA had itself planted in the foreign press***. The Crimes of Patriots by Jonathan Kwitny: a fully detailed account of the Nugan Hand Bank scandal. What was that you ask? Well in the time between the Iran Contra Scandal and running Golden Triangle heroin the many intelligence and military officials between both spent their down time running a shady bank in Australia. Washingtons War on Nicaragua by Holly Sklar: similar to the Bonner book but this time about the Raygun administrations campaign against Nicaragua, I would say it is much more thorough and deeper investigation though. The Phoenix Program by Douglas Valentine: a full account of the CIA torture and assassination program in Vietnam the Phoenix program. Dangerous Liaisons by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn: CIA and Israeli intelligence conflicts and joint operations. Cocaine Politics: you really have to read a bunch of other works to appreciate this, but basically its a review of the snowjob done to dismiss the claims of Contra cocaine politics. Skip if you haven't read a lot of other things about this. The Mafia, CIA, and George Bush by Pete Brewton: a look at the Mafia, CIA, and Bush involvement in the S&L collapses. October Surprise by Gary Sick: Gary Sick was the NSC member who made the original October Surprise public accusation and this is his book presenting his case. Disposable Patriot by Jack Terrell: like Cocaine Politics you have to have read a lot of other things and be really interested in the topic to find this interesting, its the first person account of a kind of sketchy guy who got involved in the """civilian military assistance""" supporting the Contra rebels and the government toes he wound up stepping on in the process.
The Massacre at El Mozote by Mark Danner: 13 years after it happened, was denied, and the journalists who reported it had their careers ruined, the flood gates finally open and it is admitted yes in fact an entire village was wiped out in El Salvador by a special forces unit that had just finished training in "counter insurgency warfare" in the United States Dark Alliance by Gary Webb: 7 years after it had become forgotten history Gary Webb took another look at the claims of Contra cocaine smuggling, where as other journalists had tried to trace it up to the Raygun administration he traced it _down_ from the dealers to distributors to importers and successfully found firm proof of their involvement in the Contra operation and drug money going to fund the rebels and their connection to the CIA. Webb had his career ruined for it. Lost History by Bob Parry: sort of a grab back of 1980s highlights by Bob Parry who broke the Iran-Contra story and was one of the journalists in the 1980s looking into Contra cocaine smuggling (he is interviewed in Dark Alliance as a matter of fact)
Brandon Taylor
hey you might be interested in the book from here about Mark Lombardis art His art was in fact maps of criminal conspiracies, usually of the Deep Politics kind
>why do I feel bad about this fix'd a constant theme in these sorts of posts is that these feelings being experienced must be coming from an external source deliberately trying to make people feel bad, rather than ones own sympathy for the victims this idea of sympathy or that they are victims must be crushed with these insane conspiracy claims that everything is a giant plot against you
Matthew Cox
Oops I forgot a book from The Politics of Heroin by Alfred W. McCoy: if there is one book here you read THIS IS IT this is the book that blew the lid on CIA narcotrafficking when it was published in the 1970s, I have the 1992 update that include new chapters on events since then - Nixons war on drugs, a summary of Nugan Hand, Contra cocaine and Mujahideen heroin, Rayguns renewed war on drugs - there is a 2003 edition too I believe. Blowback by Chalmers Johnson: a look at how irrational short term foreign policy decisions are increasingly causing 'blow back', unintentional repercussions, for the US. The premise though is predicated on the notion that they must be making rational long term plans, when they're not. They're not looking further ahead than the new few months or years. It is all reaction. Killing Hope by William Blum: after Politics of Heroin this has to be other one book here you read. This book has a chapter by chapter account of every single intervention the US has carried, overt or covert, destabilisation or full blown invasion, the US has engaged in since the end of WWII. There are over 50 chapters. Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner: said to be a more scholarly version of Killing Hope. Dirty Wars and The Assassination Complex by Jeremy Scahill: the covert wars that we have seen in previous books haven't gone away, they've merely been subcontracted out or automated. The Burglary by Betty Medsgar: a thorough look at the break in of an FBI field office that blew the lid on the FBIs COINTELPRO spying, infiltration, and subversion operation aimed at leftwing politics. Shadow Wars by Christopher Davidson: US covert actions and dirty wars in the Middle East go back a very long time. We Kill Because We Can by Laurie Calhoun and Kill Chain by Andrew Cockburn: more drone war. Dark Money by Jane Mayer, Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean, Kochland by Christopher Leonard, State Capture by Alex Hertel-Fernandez: there is a very large, well funded, well connected, well motivated, and already well along the course of its agenda conspiracy for a rightwing corporate takeover of the United States and it will have very dire outcomes. Dying of Whiteness by Jonathan Metzl is related to this, it looks at how the people manipulated into supporting this campaign are hurt by the very policies they've been convinced to support.
Logan Collins
The Road to 9/11 by Peter Dale Scott is the only 9/11 conspiracy book I consider good.
John Bailey
I've read one of his books and he's okay, so what does he say?
Jayden Hughes
Peter Dale Scott basically helped invent the study of deep politics. All of his stuff is great.
>The War Conspiracy: JFK, 911, and the Deep Politics of War >The Assassinations: Dallas and Beyond—A Guide to Cover-Ups and Investigations. >Crime and Cover-Up: The CIA, the Mafia, and the Dallas-Watergate Connection >The Iran-Contra Connection: Secret Teams and Covert Operations in Reagan Era. >Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies, and the CIA in Central America >Deep Politics and the Death of JFK >Deep Politics II: The New Revelations in U.S. Government Files, 1994-1995: Essays on Oswald, Mexico, and Cuba >Oswald, Mexico, and Deep Politics: Revelations from CIA Records on the Assassination of JFK >Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Colombia, and Indochina >The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire and the Future of America >American War Machine: Deep Politics, the CIA Global Drug Connection, and the Road to Afghanistan >The American Deep State: Wall Street, Big Oil, and the Attack on U.S. Democracy >Dallas '63: The First Deep State Revolt Against The White House' >Poetry and Terror: Politics and Poetics in Coming to Jakarta, with Freeman Ng
Nicholas Cook
Basically that at best 9/11 was allowed to happen and at worst it was a planned false flag to start the War on Terror and allow the passage of things like the PATROIT ACT. He doesn't having to say about it being a planned demolition.
Leo Sullivan
The Great Heroin Coup : Drugs, Intelligence & International Fascism by Henrik Krüger is good.
Jacob Butler
covertactionmagazine.com/archives/ Covert Action Magazine is back and its original publication run from 1978 to 2005 is now available online
Kayden Evans
read Richard Clarkes account of his time as counter terrorism chief in the Dubya administration His role was downgraded, his access to the president limited, and the neocons weren't interested in terrorism or bin Laden they were interested in reactivating their Cold War projects When he'd try to raise bin Laden they would ask if he was connected to Saddam and Clarke would have to explain how that was impossible and they'd lose interest Combine this with the CIA and FBI not communicating with each other due to bureaucratic rivalry and you get a perfect storm I've been meaning for years to get around to reading this, what does it go into?
Chase Thompson
Lobster magazine is the British equivalent of that.
They actually broke a story about what was probably a plan by the British military to do a coup against Harold Wilson called Clockwork Orange. Also that intelligence would create disinfo to help the Tories get elected. There was a movie with Frances McDormand about this called Hidden Agenda.
Joshua Ward
Escaped Nazis into South America might've helped run the international heroin trade. With express purpose of funding international anticommunism causes.
Andrew Evans
>Combine this with the CIA and FBI not communicating with each other due to bureaucratic rivalry and you get a perfect storm
Dale Scott believes this is just an excuse for a larger cover-up, that the CIA deliberately helped move the plan along.
Nicholas Hill
Talbot also wrote another book about the Kennedys: Brothers - The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years
Colton King
yeah I have a book about that here Who Framed Colin Wallace Wallace a former military intelligence officer, MI5 officer Peter Wright in his book Spycatcher, and a second MI5 officer in a tv interview in the 1980s whose name I forget all make claims about Clockwork Orange that it was an MI5 operation fabricating and distributing derogatory information about Wilson and his government in an effort to undermine its election chances
John Morales
Sounds like this would go well with the book about the WACL, Inside the League by Scott and Jon Lee Anderson
Dylan Reyes
There's actually a good deep politics anthology:
Government of the Shadows - Parapolitics and Criminal Sovereignty, edited by Eric Wilson and Tim Lindsey.
Carson Smith
Behold a Pale Horse by Bill Cooper and a biography someone wrote about him called Pale Horse Rider.
this is just standard da j00s in fancy dress we want real facts not schizo
Aaron Jenkins
>Dark Alliance by Gary Webb: 7 years after it had become forgotten history Gary Webb took another look at the claims of Contra cocaine smuggling, where as other journalists had tried to trace it up to the Raygun administration he traced it _down_ from the dealers to distributors to importers and successfully found firm proof of their involvement in the Contra operation and drug money going to fund the rebels and their connection to the CIA. Webb had his career ruined for it.
A good companion to this is Kill the Messenger - How the CIA's Crack-Cocaine Controversy Destroyed Journalist Gary Webb by Nick Schou. They made it to a movie.
Webb's career wasn't just ruined, he committed "suicide" with two shots to the head.
Leo Carter
Read the book, the reason he was made CIA director was he had no known intelligence ties up to that point. But then later someone found a memo from shortly after the Kennedy assassination that identified George Bush as a CIA agent attending a J Edgar Hoover briefing.
Angel Cooper
for me, it's programmed to kill its the only book ive ever read
Dominic Gomez
For a more condensed version of George HW Bush's intelligence stuff, check out this short book by Bill Weinberg, it's pretty easy to find a pdf of it. Also has funny illustrations.
I haven't read the book But the movie was shit Why would he be assassinated years after his career was ruined? That makes no sense. And what sort of gun was it, was it a semi-automatic? The death spasm could easy cause the finger to jerk the trigger a second time. Or, and this isn't very pleasant to think about, it does occur in firearm suicides that people do not successfully do it with the first shot and are conscious enough to make a second shot. Similar thing happens with wrist slashing, there are often what are called 'hesitation marks'.
>super spy basically as an oil executive he provided inside information he gleaned from business, no different to countless other CIA assets in business and he may have also provided cover jobs for Cuban exiles working on CIA activities against Cuba, the early raids, the Bay of Pigs, Operation Mongoose - I heard a claim once that this might have gone so far as to provide an offshore oil platform for intelligence observation/launching raids that was """lost""" in a cyclone which his company got a 100% reimbursement for the loss of from a very conservative insurance agency with no investigation that was normally quite thorough and conservative in these insurance claims
Dylan Hall
Recent book about the RFK assassination.
A Lie Too Big to Fail: The Real History of the Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy by Lise Pease
>Fun fact: Bush Sr said he didn't remember where he was when Kennedy was assassinated when asked. That's like saying you forgot where you were when 9/11 even though you were a fully grown adult by then. you're forgetting the best part: he was in Dallas the day of the assassination. so it's like saying you forget where you were on 9/11, when you were in Manhattan. >>former head of the CIA and president has intelligence ties >Well, yeah, no shit. Searching through schizo threads and infographics would be a better way to spend your time. HW was appointed as the head of the CIA specifically under the pretense that he was an outsider to "clean up" the org, even though he had ties to the CIA for decades, so it is noteworthy.
