Bible Thread

lmfao

Maybe he sent them but they never arrived

>US
>zero prophets
user, I...

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>He thinks Muslims did 9/11
Lol
Lmao, even

that was the jews, user.

we're all so fortunate this is becoming common knowledge

It is pretty cool.

Only on Yea Forums. Also, even if it was well known, no one would do anything.

>no one would do anything
well, it's in the past now, but imagine if it was well known, do you think a similar event would play out the same way?
>Only on Yea Forums
you're not wrong, but I will say that the longer I'm here, the more I'm surprised by the degree that chan culture seems to diffuse through the rest of the world, or at least america. Whoever said "all memes come from Yea Forums" seemed to be tapping into something real

>do you think a similar event would play out the same way?
Yes. Everyone knew Blair was lying about WMD when he joined the middle east invasion. There were tons of protests against joining the war. Eventually it was revealed that indeed there were no WMD. Nothing changed, people have no power.

Islam. Orthodox View by Daniel Sysoev (martyred by Muslims)
azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/islam-orthodox-view/

St. John of Damascus’s Critique of Islam
orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx

The Qur’an is full of errors. It says that Jesus did not die on the cross, it confuses Mary, mother of Jesus, with Miriam, sister of Moses, even saying that Mary has is the sister of Aaron and has a father named Imran (Amram).

The Islamic prophet Dhu al-Qurnayn (He of Two Horns) is traditionally identified with pagan king Alexander the Great. His name comes from coins depicting him as Zeus Ammon, a two-horned pagan god. Hardly a champion of monotheism, here! Dhu al-Qurnayn’s stories are also filled with information from Syrian legends like called the Alexander Romance, saying that the sun sets in a pool of murky water in the West.

There are also no prophecies predicting Muhammad in previous scriptures. Muslims also declare all previous scriptures corrupted to avoid this problem, but the Qur’an remains unproven. There is no historical evidence for any of this alleged corruption. The Qur’an also asks Christians (5:47) to judge by the Gospel to assess the Qur’an’s claims, but why would Allah ask us to judge by a corrupted scripture, or a scripture that has been lost? It’s stupid, and there’s no evidence of the “book” given to Jesus.

Muhammad was also a caravan-robbing polygamist pedophile. Jesus said to judge prophets by their fruits. Muhammad fails on all accounts. John, Jude, Paul and many others warn against false prophets that will come to lead men from the Gospel. Muhammad is one. Paul even warns of Satan disguising himself as an “angel of light”. Muhammad got his revelation from “Jibreel”, an entity claiming to be Gabriel giving him revelation contradicting all previous scripture. He never got the Qur’an from God. It was all from Jibreel.

The earliest generations of Christians—Paul, the Twelve, Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Polycarp, etc. all declared Jesus Christ to be divine, just like the OT teaches. It also denies historical facts such as crucifixion and baselessly declares the entire Bible ‘tahrif’ or corrupt—also refuted by manuscript evidence

I would LOVE to see what a seasoned Muslim apologist has to say in response to this stuff. Generally I dont take most of what Yea Forums says seriously but sometimes they make some interesting claims.

They can’t answer any of it. I’ve watched so many Christian v. Muslim debates that it is not even funny at this point. The case against Islam gets even stronger when we explore the matter from a typological angle. Jesus says in Luke 24 that the OT is essentially all about him, and looking back, it is! Now we can se that Abraham’s near-sacrifice of his son was a typological prefiguration of the crucifixion. Melchizedek provides Abraham with bread and wine. Wisdom in Proverbs 8-9 offers those who seek her bread and wine too, immediately after saying that she created the universe with God! The Trinity is all over the OT is well, especially revealed in the numerous theophanies of the Angel of the Lord. The prophecies of the Psalms, Daniel, Isaiah and numerous other books of the Bible continue to nail the case home.

I almost became a Muslim at one point, but started to see holes in their picture, and God led me to Christ despite every desire I had NOT to

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>despite every desire I had NOT to
Why

God welcomes me every time, and I turn my back too often.

I just read a book on Melchizedek and his order actually, fascinating stuff.

Glory to God. Glory to Jesus Christ.

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youre telling me, bud.

I just didn’t want it to be true. I looked at everything else like Vaishnava Hinduism and Islam, but it turned out to be what I was looking at the least and not even considering seriously.
What was the title, user?

I've got a pocket RSV-2CE NT & Psalms from Ignatius and an old pocket Confraternity NT. I trade off each time I finish one.

>I just didn’t want it to be true.
Just contrarianism? When I first found God I didn't even consider other religions. Is it one of those instances where your culture/parents put you off Christianity because of how they expressed their religion?

Adding to this, Muslims also mistake Mary mother of Jesus for part of the Trinity; they declare all previous scriptures corrupted but also the Quran says the Torah and the Gospels are reliable, which is a contradiction; the Quran itself contains stories from apocryphal "gospels" that just so happened to be carried by the heretical Nestorians who had been expelled from the Christian Roman Empire to Arabia; and this doesn't even get into the plagiarism from the Talmud or the claims that most of the Quran is actually plagiarized Syriac Christian lectionaries.

To me, the most damning issue in the Quran was the plagiarism from the Arabic Infancy Gospel. Not only can you see exactly where Muhammad changed the words from that gospel (and misunderstood what "the Logos" was), but later in the same passage you have Allah saying he has no son. The problem is that it's written like a response, but Muhammad deleted the first part of the gospel with Jesus saying he was the Son of God, so Allah's response looks detached from the rest of the passage.

Just compare. Both of these were allegedly said by Jesus the moment he was born.
>(2) He has said that Jesus spoke, and, indeed, when He was lying in His cradle said to Mary His mother: "I am Jesus, the Son of God, the Logos, whom thou hast brought forth, as the Angel Gabriel announced to thee; and my Father has sent me for the salvation of the world." (Arabic Infancy Gospel of the Savior)
>So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?" [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive. And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant. And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive." That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute. It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is. (Quran 19:29-35)

>To me, the most damning issue in the Quran was the plagiarism from the Arabic Infancy Gospel.
youtube.com/watch?v=VTJdktq53P4
Here's this issue in video form.

>forgetting about Joseph Smith

Contrarianism might be a part of it, I have a tendency towards that at times. I was also operating on assumptions like the idea that the NT was totally inconsistent with the OT, or that ideas like the Trinity and Jesus’ divinity were cooked up by later councils. Basically just total ignorance. When I got interested in God I went right to the Qur’an because it seemed to be the simplest and most understandable idea of God, and for a while this seemed true enough. The kicker was that I never read the Bible at this point. I was eventually set straight (very gradually and gently) by a Christian friend of mine, and after much reading, prayer and research. I never really went to church as a kid, I only attended Sunday school at some Methodist church but never really had any idea what it was about. Then my parents just stopped going at some point, so I was functionally atheist until my late teens and early twenties.
Good post. Muslims also like to appeal to Epiphanius’ mention of ‘Collyridianism’ to defend the Qur’anic misconstrual of the Trinity. Apart from Epiphanius there is no evidence of the existence of such a sect, and the fact that it originated in Scythia and Thrace and came down into Arabia later, it has nothing to do with Mary being God, it was just about offering loafs of broad to Mary once a year. Even if Muhammad was railing against the idea of the Theotokos / God-bearer, his idea of it in the Qur’an is totally addled and has nothing to do with what Christians, even heretical, believe(d). That’s proof enough it isn’t from God.

>It says that Jesus did not die on the cross
I recently saw an imam trying to back away from this, claiming Muslims have been tricked by misguided Islamic theologians for centuries. The imam claimed the passage says nothing about Allah crucifying someone else in Jesus's place (which is the common Muslim explanation for Jesus not dying on the cross), and said the passage just means Allah removed Jesus's soul from his body on the cross and returned it to his body in the tomb. The problem is this imam would probably be stoned for repeating this explanation in mainstream Islamic discussion.

Caedmon's Hymn v. Ibn Ishaq's Life of the Prophet

Both texts here are from the 8th century, describing 7th century events. What explains the curious similarities between an event that allegedly happened in Britain, and one that happened in the Arabian peninsula?

Ibn Ishaq’s narrative runs as follows: Muhammad is forty years of age, and happily married to Khadija, a successful merchant and noblewoman of the Quraysh. Each year, for one month, the Prophet Muhammad is in the habit of retreating to a cave in Mount Hira to engage in mediation. One night, as Muhammad sleeps, he is visited by the archangel Gabriel. Here the text reads:
> He said: “read(!),” and I said: “I cannot recite.” So he pressed me so hard I thought I would die. He said: “read(!),” and I said: “I cannot recite.” So he pressed me so hard I thought I would die. He said: “read(!),” and I said: “what is it I should recite?” I would not say this, except to get away from him so he would not do it again. And he said: ‘Recite, in the name of your Lord who created, who created humanity from a clot. Recite, in the name of your Lord, the most noble, who taught humanity by the pen, who taught humanity that which it knew not"

Bede records Caedmon’s tale as follows: in the mid-to-late 7th century, in the abbey of Whitby, there lives a certain brother named Caedmon, unlearned but pious in character. When he is advanced in years, one evening a banquet is held with music and poetry, and by reason of his lack of learning, Caedmon leaves the gathering to seek solace in the nearby stable where he cares for the horses. Falling asleep, he has a dream where a figure comes to him, and salutes him by name. Here, Bede’s text, 'Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation', reads:
> “Caedmon,” he says, “sing something for me.’ But [Caedmon] replies, “I don’t know how to sing, and indeed that is why I left the banquet, because I couldn’t sing.” The one he was speaking with replied, “Nevertheless, you must sing for me.” [Caedmon says]: “What must I sing?’ The man replies, “Sing of the origin of creatures.” So hearing this, immediately he begins to sing verses (which he had never heard) in the praise of God the creator, the sense of which is: “Now we must declare the authority of the king of heaven, the power of the Creator and his counsel, the acts of the Father of glory. How, since God is eternal, he was the originator of miracles, who, as the guardian of humanity, first created the heavens as the roof of a house for humanity, then the earth.”

Both tales are followed by a validation of the tale by another. For Muhammad, his cousin Waraqa serves as the interpreter of the experience. He identifies the source of the experience with the angel Gabriel. In Caedmon's case, it is the Abbess. The Abbess affirms that the experience has been granted by divine grace. In both stories, authorities validate the experience after it occurs. Quite weird.

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One of the early Syriac sources, the Maronite Chronicle, had the caliph Mu’awiya ascending to Golgotha to pray before going to the tomb of Mary. Early sources on Islam are full of strange and intriguing glimpses of the early history of this heresy. I think it was more Christian-like in the beginning but this is obscured by later redactors and biographers

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i've heard here and there too that it started as Christian heresy

seems like most polite posters here have some good story.
I used to be a lukewarm Christian, started to mess with things i shouldn't, and God still saved me from apostasy and all of the wretchedness and sin i kept getting deeper into. I got shown the 'wages of sin' and am extremely grateful God kept us from being paid in full. it was the worst thing i ever did, and it still haunts me.
I'll forever thank the Lord for it, and now strive to follow His path always.

I get why the Israelites were so failable, they just expected things or forgot ones that happened. I had even had a vision before that incident.

As mentioned above, Islam and by extension the Quran are basically a mishmash of the Nestorian heretics of the Church of the East and other heretics expelled by Roman Emperor Theodosius II and his successors, infused with the various apocryphal gospels and Jewish Talmudic sources that Muslims ignorantly thought were legitimate canonical texts. Islam, simply put, is a blend of Christian heresies that morphed into a new religion altogether once it stopped pretending to still be the Church that Christ founded.

Hey sorry for late response, it was "Melchizedek and the Last Supper: Biblical and Patristic Evidence for the Sacrifice of the Mass" its by Erick Ybarra., It includes a ton of Church Fathers thoughts on Melchizech as well.

nice find

My wife wants to read the Bible, she’s read maybe 4-5 books her whole life. What would be the best version to get her?

get her The Word On Fire.

There's only one Bible, the King James, but maybe she will need a "bible" instead. The ESV is available with lots of female friendly cover designs, if you aren't willing and able to rule her properly.

Dont listen to this liar.

>kjv shill n° 844823561 this week

Go eat mass produced styrofoam like wafers from fag hands.

you are as far from God as you can get, scum bag.

Unironically this . It's only the NT thus far in two volumes, but that's the perfect place for her to start. The WOF Bible is literally designed for people who have never read the Bible in their life and have no clue where to start or how to read it. While produced by a Catholic ministry, the contents have broad appeal and I know a number of Protestants who've praised it. If cost is an issue, the paperbacks are perfectly serviceable--in fact, the leather editions are arguably overboard for their purpose as a "babby's first Bible." It uses the NRSV, which while not optimal, doesn't become a problem until you're trying to use it for textual criticism or whatnot. If you just want to read the Bible, then it's fine.

Thanks for the details, I’m gonna get the Word on Fire for starters. Appreciate it

ESV Study Bible

Cool, hope she enjoys it.

God bless. Best wishes to her and to you.

Thank you, user!

>Got to the book of Isaiah
>Lost all motivation to continue
Is this normal? Can I skip it? I have already finished all the gospels

My pleasure.

Its literally essential. the devil is attacking you.

Oh. Shit.

What he means is that Isaiah contains some of the most explicit prophecies of Christ in the entire OT. Skipping it would be a grave mistake.