How come no love for the best Dragon Ball anime? All I ever see is Super. There hasn't been anything that matches the 22nd and 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arcs in Z or Super. The series really died when Goku dyed his hair blond. He should have died on Namek with the series ending there. It was the perfect ending point. Android and Cellfags are the worst. At least in the manga, the Buu arc was almost a return to form, bringing back some of the gags and what not.
How come no love for the best Dragon Ball anime? All I ever see is Super...
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americans and most spics only grew up with z, so for them dragonball is some kind of a comedic prequel that does not require watching
the things you said killed the series are actually what appeals to the dbz fanbase, and conversely to the dbs fanbase
yes, they are brainlets with no taste, but so are all shounenfags
Cell and Android is a necessary evil to get to Buu
I liked Buu the most in Z
I'm American and grew up on Toonami just like everyone else. I was always aware of this history, though, and read those early Viz manga releases (the ones that looked like comic books). I instantly loved it because it somewhat reminded me of the Saiyan saga, which was my favorite arc up to that point. Fuggin brainlets.
only spics care about DBshit and spics only care about the newest thing, which is Super
Why is the Cell arc regarded as the best in the series? Really rustles my jim jams
Nigga i'm Mexican and the first season was godly, grew up with it the only ones obsessed with the yellow air are what we call nacos.
Because it's the culmination of Gohan's character arc.
For toonami kids that grew up starting from Z, Gohan is more or less the main character to them, pretty much what Goku is to everyone who started with Dragon Ball. I can't really fault them, also Cell was pretty cool. I like the ending of the Cell saga but the android and beginning of Cell is all kinda silly.
most people say Cell arc is worst arc
only Gohanfags disagree
the usual Z arc rating is Frieza > Buu > Cell
I liked the fights in DB because they were actual fights where physical blows matter.
Past a point in DBZ and all punches and kicks do is soften them up for a beam attack.
speaking of classic DB, what was that bitch's name Goku had to fight before meeting his grandpa again?
Devilman?
not sure what you're talking about...
People using spic as a term are usually incels who get their mom fucked by niggers
Original Dragonball is like 60% toilet humor. Only contrarians pretend to like it.
What? You mean Baba? He never actually fought her. He fought against her otherworld dudes to get her to tell them where the Dragon Ball was. Grandpa Gohan was one of those fighters.
Calm down Pablo
you could just say you never actually watched/read it
>toilet humor
If this means I can see more of little Goku being cute, then absolutely based!
Estas loco?
Nah, there was just as much "toilet" humor in Z. Sexual humor was also in both, but more prevalent in og DB.
I was thinking about Annin, sorry I didn't wanted to use my brain but thanks for helping.
Oh shit, I forgot about all that. Filler after the 23rd Budokai, right? Something about extinguishing the fire at Chi Chi's castle? Funny, I didn't remember Grandpa Gohan bring involved.
This. They re-ran OG Dragon Ball in Mexico at least 4 times before DBZ even started and it was a huge hit. As far as I know, burgers are the only ones who often skip straight to DBZ.
Is there anything you want to talk about user
I wonder if Pan also had the opportunity to bathe cute shota Goku
There's no way Goku is still this oblivious after 50 years right? I feel like he does it on purpose, taking advantage of being a kid again.
GT failed because DBZ fags wanted more of the same and less of the original.
GT is more popular than most other forgotten anime though. And it got arguably one of the best FighterZ reps, who also won Worlds this year.
That's not how failed anime function after over 20 years of their air date.
It only aired once before dbz, and another one time on CN several years later.
the buu saga was shit except for a few character interactions and development that was far and few between.
Buu was practically an invincible character that just kept coming back. Characters like freiza , vegeta , and cell(somewhat) could accumulate damage after while and it was fun to watch the villian breakdown through attrition.
But buu could come back no matter how many times you killed him . I don't even understand how the spirit bomb even killed him since he got hit with attacks before that engulfed him before(vegeta sacrifice) and he came back with no consequence.
The cell saga had some twist and turns , especially because it overlaps the android saga, but the buu saga you're pretty much fighting buu the entire time and he's the least interesting villain in terms of character all he does is eat, scream, and act like petulant child.
The buu saga help destroyed the specialness of super saiyan by giving characters like trunks and goten unearned and unneeded power ups. Instead of focusing on powering up relatively new characters toriyama should of focused on powering up established characters and let them remain useful to the plot instead of making everything about the saiyans, which gets boring after awhile .
Fusion was a poorly thought out powerup/transformation by toriyama, making two characters fused together to be stronger than the villain undercuts the sthregth of two characters indvidually, instead of increasing own stregth or coming up with an intresting new technique or strategy they simply need to go "my power level" + "my buddy's power level" to defeat the villian . it's such bad a idea that toriyama has constantly broken his own rules he's established with it.
Impressive how with all off that, the cell arc is worse.
make a counter argument or ill accept your concession
in chile etc had reruns all the time
its hard to know someone that didnt watch the original dragon ball
nah mate that shit aired several times on canal 5 before dbz even started airing, and then ran twice again while dbz was airing. gt was the only one that no one cared about.
>counter argument
Silly user, this isn't a debate. I was just stating the truth. Also:
>posting moeshit
Done.
Ok this must be Risu, next time try to make a funny meme image response instead I would never try to question that.
are you call prison school moe shit? It's more bdsm shit .
Crying shame OG dragonball never caught on here in America the way Z did.
>risu
What makes you think that?
>not moeshit
Silly user, any anime that isn't dragon ball is moeshit.
I'll give you a list
-Your short twitter like post
- Your fear of debate
- Refusal to elaborate on any position you take while somehow acting as if your opinion is absolute
- You think the cell saga is the worst saga in dbz.
-your constant need to go in the female restoom to sniff the toilet for illicit sexual thrill.
There's a 95 percent chance im talking to risu . Try not to make it to obvious next time.
>Buu was practically an invincible character that just kept coming back. Characters like freiza , vegeta , and cell(somewhat) could accumulate damage after while and it was fun to watch the villian breakdown through attrition.
This was good it make him interesting and different instead of another retread for the 4th time
>I don't even understand how the spirit bomb even killed him since he got hit with attacks before that engulfed him before(vegeta sacrifice) and he came back with no consequence.
It's stronger than any of their individual attacks, and Kid Buu wasn't as tough as Super Buu and Fat Buu
>but the buu saga you're pretty much fighting buu the entire time and he's the least interesting villain in terms of character all he does is eat, scream, and act like petulant child.
Yes and this makes him way more interesting than Cell whose personality was just a retread of Frieza whose personality was just a retread of King Piccolo whose personality was just "generic evil sadist villain". You aren't going to find many villains like fat Buu, the number is far less than villains like Cell or Frieza. Mr. Satan is who tames Fat Buu it doesn't get more interesting than that. And funny how a child was able to actually wipe out all of the humans on earth and then actually really destroy the earth and kill everyone
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>The buu saga help destroyed the specialness of super saiyan
It was already destroyed when Goku was able to stay in the form 24/7 in Cell. And if you complain about this, you might as well complain about the saiyan and Frieza saga making everyone able to fly when it was a big deal before. Or complain about anyone being able able to do energy attacks by the beginning of Z. It doesn't matter.
>instead of increasing own strength or coming up with an interesting new technique or strategy
We already had a billion fucking arcs of this, hell this shit is even in the Buu saga too so I don't get the complaint. Fusion was the most interesting powerup for a while. I can't believe you'd defend shit like Guru putting his hand on people's head or crap like zenkai as better powerups. Or wait, did you want another hair color change? Or want another boring hyperbolic time chamber training montage? Step right in, step right out, WOW he's "stronger". These powerlevel increases got boring sagas ago, which is why Toriyama introduced different forms. Then after everyone and their son has 3 forms that got boring too. Fusion IS an interesting new technique and it's the most creative technique in a while. I'll admit it could have been used more, for being only used on a couple pairs, seeing Trunks and Goten fused wasn't as interesting as seeing characters we are more familiar with, but they had a good personality from it at least.
>Your short twitter like post
Is just a short post. Don't be paranoic.
>Your fear of debate
We aren't in one.
>Refusal to elaborate on any position you take while somehow acting as if your opinion is absolute
It wasn't an opinion, it was a fact.
>You think the cell saga is the worst saga in dbz
It is.
>your constant need to go in the female restoom to sniff the toilet for illicit sexual thrill
Risu probably does it but i don't.
>There's a 95 percent chance im talking to risu . Try not to make it to obvious next time
user, take your meds. I'm worried for you.
>This was good it make him interesting and different instead of another retread for the 4th time
Not necessarily , Final form cell had similar regeneration abilities. Also killing the same villain a billion times over got old, I know at least as a kid that my friends got tired of them killing/fighting buu for seemingly forever.
>It's stronger than any of their individual attacks,
It just felt like no strategy or technique or move worked on him until the author said this attack works. If someone blows you to pieces and throws every piece in a fire and you still come back how dose a spirit bomb work any better other then being supposedly stronger?
I just want a proper explanation of how it works.
>Kid Buu wasn't as tough as Super Buu and Fat Buu
Really!? I've been debates where people will swear that kid buu was just as strong if not stronger then superbuu or fatbuu.
Do you have any type of source or reference I can get better informed?
CONTD
Risu I know it's you, you have nothing to prove JUST MAKE ME MORE FUNNY DB MEMES GOD DAMNIT.
>Yes and this makes him way more interesting than Cell whose personality was just a retread of Frieza whose personality was just a retread of King Piccolo whose personality was just "generic evil sadist villain". You aren't going to find many villains like fat Buu, the number is far less than villains like Cell or Frieza. Mr. Satan is who tames Fat Buu it doesn't get more interesting than that. And funny how a child was able to actually wipe out all of the humans on earth and then actually really destroy the earth and kill everyone
King piccolo and frieza drastically different in personality sure they share some similarities like world/galaxy domination .
Frieza and final form cell are definitely more similar to each other with final form cell acting more like a narcissistic/ arrogant version frieza with no world domination desires.
Tell me what's so interesting about a character that wants to eat, scream , and throw tantrums on day long? What it so fascinating about watching this character go about his natural carnal desires? Sure if his arc was maybe 6-12 episodes your point would be valid but a whooping 40+ episodes is not something this character can carry.
Fat buu was the most interesting thing we got from this character and that's because he turns from a heel into good guy similar to vegeta. Then he splits himself up into a heel and that heel becomes the main antagonist who's simply one note evil , glutooness ,chaotic and childish.
>It was already destroyed when Goku was able to stay in the form 24/7 in Cell.
How was it destroyed? goku and gohan were clearly established to be working on holding the super saiyan form as a method of training. Trunks and vegeta who trained differently weren't able to hold the form that long nor did attempt it.
How does this destroy anything?
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>And if you complain about this, you might as well complain about the saiyan and Frieza saga making everyone able to fly when it was a big deal before.
The ability of flight I believe was originally a crane technique it was established in the 22 world martial arts tournament in dragon ball. It's a technique that can be learned . super saiyan is a racial ability that can only be used by people of a nearly extinct ethnicity .No human,namekian,yardrat, gray matter alien, etc can learn/ super saiyan no matter how hard they train or study. Even achieving super saiyan was supposed to be a millennial long prophecy that was even difficult for the people who posses the racial components to achieve it.
The later half of the namek arc was spent creating a lore for it ,hyping it up, and going through trials to activate it.
The buu saga just takes a big shit on all of this just so they can make two unproven, undeserved, unestablished kids super saiyan to make them relevant to the plot and sell toys.
>We already had a billion fucking arcs of this
and? This method seems to be successful in dragonball what's the problem?
>Or wait, did you want another hair color change?
We already had hair extensions in this arc so no , but characters increasing their own individual techniques/ abilities seems needed .
>Or want another boring hyperbolic time chamber training montage? Step right in, step right out, WOW he's "stronger".
Explain how dancing or putting on earrings and going "wow we're 200 times stronger than the villian now"
is a better method? Toriyama literally breaks his own rules of the transformation length because it means that the heros will cake walk through the villain and will have a anti climatic ending .
Secondly Every dire situation they are in will be undercut because there's always going to be an elephant in the room when they're fighting someone stronger than them. why not just use fusion ?
>Final form cell had similar regeneration abilities.
Not really and it didn't add much to making him seem like such an insurmountable foe as opposed to buu who could come back from being smoke.
Also killing the same villain a billion times over got old
they're essentially not even the same villain with the changes he goes through also.
>I just want a proper explanation of how it works.
Same way it's always worked the entire series. From since dragonball character could stand and take a full kamehameha but if they were strong enough they'd just stand there without blinking and its be like spraying them with water. But getting hit by a stronger blast will harm them bad. Happened from the Taopaipai where he clothes simply got singed off, but a grenade blast made him have to turn into a robot.
>Really!? I've been debates where people will swear that kid buu was just as strong if not stronger then superbuu or fatbuu.
Kid Buu is weaker but he's less restrained, he basically has retard strength which is why he's so dangerous. Not because he's super strong but because he doesn't give a shit about how he uses his strength, where as guys like Frieza or Cell will always move in a logical way he's unpredictable and basically insane. iirc Goku says he could beat Kid Buu in his SSJ3 form but he said he couldn't beat Super Buu in that form earlier. Which is why people assume he's weaker.
>King piccolo and frieza drastically different in personality
Not really, both are arrogant, sadistic, and calculating. Even their introductions are similar. King Piccolo comes onto the scene having killed every martial artists in the out of fear of anyone being able to stop him, almost the same as Frieza killing off saiyans out of fear of anyone being able to stop him.
>Tell me what's so interesting about a character that wants to eat, scream , and throw tantrums on day long? What it so fascinating about watching this character go about his natural carnal desires?
It makes him a different beast entirely. Unlike Cell who would play along with games and shit and Frieza who loved psychologically messing with Vegeta and everyone, Super Buu does surprising shit like eliminating every human instantly when Piccolo tries to buy time, and also gives us humorous stuff like screaming his way out of the hyperbolic time chamber. He gets a bit more boring when he absorbs piccolo and gohan, but only because he becomes more like Cell again. When we get to Kid Buu, we get a villian that we have never gotten before, one that doesn't banter or play mind games, or have any history with Goku. He just fucking destroys Earth and then goes on to destroy everything and anything he comes across. He doesn't do shit to be evil like King Piccolo/Frieza/Cell, he just fucking does it. He's basically a sentient force or nature. Dude can't even talk which is big compared to the previous arcs lengthy speech givers.
>How was it destroyed? goku and gohan were clearly established to be working on holding the super saiyan form as a method of training. Trunks and vegeta who trained differently weren't able to hold the form that long nor did attempt it.
Because it was supposed to be this super special form that was legendary and was an extremely hard once in a million achievement but by the end of the Cell Saga Goku can stay in it all the time, and Gohan too. It was already getting devalued at that point. Like everything else in the series, it's no different from the earliest of "super special techniques", the kamehameha, which was devalued after it was discovered. It took Roshi 40 years to develop but Goku was able to do it easily and other Z fighters can also do it energy attacks in a quarter of the time it took Roshi. Call it a problem if you want but it's not unique to the Buu saga, the series always made previous techniques less special and easier for subsequent fighters to master because of powercreep, it's no surprise the SSJ was no exception.
>and? This method seems to be successful in dragonball what's the problem?
The problem is that it got stale, not to mention it's in the Buu saga anyway with Old Kai doing his dance. So there you go.
>Explain how dancing or putting on earrings and going "wow we're 200 times stronger than the villian now"
Except that's not all that happens, it actually gives us a real change. That's what made forms exciting when Frieza introduced them, we could actually see his power increasing. We weren't just told " yeah this guy is probably more powerful now just imagine his punches are hitting harder". Fusion gives us not only a new design, but a new personality. Now that's not so special since it kinda happened with Buu and Cell, but it's unique, brand new and interesting in that it combined two fan favorite characters.
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I don't get the hate on the Buu saga. Having this ancient evil hyped up as the worst more terrifying thing ever and then it turning out to be a fat, pink blob of a manchild is a typical Toriyama gag. Buu is a breath of fresh air since unlike every other villain he's a force of nature, or like some sort of beast than something you can reason or communicate with. This also pulls off the other-worldly/godliness stuff in the arc a lot better than Goku Black Arc.
its because the 3 jirenniggers cant stop posting the same 4 pictures and samefagging on their own posts. its because the gokeks and fagetas cant stop stroking themselves off. dragon ball was pretty kino but superfags have corrupted everything
Obsessed.
Chill Paco
Honestly, dont reply to this. This back and forth is too time consuming, I'll just say you win if thats what you want. Its not like we're going to change each other mind anyway and I think I've said all I have to say
Its time for me to eat dinner bye bye
>Not really
What do you mean not really, he literally blew up and came back from next to nothing and retained his strongest form while being stronger than he was before.
I said similar but not the same.
>they're essentially not even the same villain with the changes he goes through also.
It's not about the changes he goes through it's the skirmishes before that where he's blown to bits and defeated several times .
Each buu has the same moniker, memories(more or less), racial ability as the original buu and while some aliments have changed it's essentially the same character in different forms.
>Same way it's always worked the entire series. From since dragonball character could stand and take a full kamehameha but if they were strong enough they'd just stand there without blinking and its be like spraying them with water. But getting hit by a stronger blast will harm them bad. Happened from the Taopaipai where he clothes simply got singed off, but a grenade blast made him have to turn into a robot.
Characters have never been shown to be blown to bits and be completely fine before , being blown to bits implies that his strength overwhelm the other opponent. But with buu it seeming doesn't matter if you've overwhelmed since he can come back through steam.
So how does it work , how do you kill him, how does the spirt bomb work if he can come back through freaking steam? He seems like he's immortal if we go by logic.
>Kid Buu is weaker but he's less restrained, he basically has retard strength which is why he's so dangerous
I'd still like a source but as for now I'll take your word for it
Okay I'll reply to this one
>he literally blew up and came back from next to nothing and retained his
I mean not really as in it comes at the end of the fight and doesnt have much bearing on the saga. As opposed to Buu who is presented as an insumountable for at the beginning due to his regeneration capabilites.
>So how does it work , how do you kill him, how does the spirt bomb work if he can come back through freaking steam?
The steam got blown up too. Thats pretty much it. Its basically the same as how cell died, every last cell of Cell was destroyed.
If you gotta you gotta go, I appreciate the time you spent to have good faith debate with me.
I can't prove your opinion is wrong, I just disagree with some points . I like having my beliefs challenged from time to time to reanalyze why I think the way I think.
best cell
Not him but in the same series they say that kid buu is weaker. This is not about sources, this is about common sense. Why a being that hasn't absorbed anyone is STRONGER than the other buus who have someone absorbed. And if kid buu is stronger, then you are implying that goku is stronger than super buu gohan, which doesn't make any sense.
>The steam got blown up too. Thats pretty much it. Its basically the same as how cell died, every last cell of Cell was destroyed.
I don't want to harp on this to much cause you put in an honest effort for a possible reason but if that's what it takes then I don't see how vegeta's sacrifice didn't kill him or piccolo and gotenks destroying all of buu's body parts didn't kill him either. .
When did they say that? LIsten I held the same position as you when I was younger and now Im unsure. So many anons go back and forth on this to the point Im on the fence until I get some tangible proof .
Common sense and dragonball don't always mix. Things like goten and trunks unlocking super saiyan goes against the in series logic of training , hard work, and emotional traumatic events unlocking super saiyan, but here we are.
>Kid Buu wasn't as tough as Super Buu and Fat Buu
He's supposed to be stronger
I like Dragon Ball. To be honest I love all of it up to the end of Buu
nononononono you're supposed to hate certain parts fuckfuckfuckfuck nooooooooooooooo
Why didn't Cell self destructing not kill him but somehow Gohan did? Neither of these seem espesially lethal than the other but Gohan killed him cause the plot demanded it. Why did the spirit bomb work when it has never worked before? Because the plot demanded it. It's a happy ending to have the people of earth put their spirit and energy together to defeat the big bad.
Because the people watching dragon ball is retarded. They think that if a new enemy appears he is stronger than the other. Which, will it's true, is not the case with buu.
>Common sense and dragonball don't always mix. Things like goten and trunks unlocking super saiyan goes against the in series logic of training , hard work, and emotional traumatic events unlocking super saiyan, but here we are
Goten and trunks xan transform because they were had when both goku and vegeta had super saiyan. This is something everyone must know by now. Same thing with kid buu being weaker than buu.
and talking about buu, it's pretty obvious that super buu is stronger.
>goku says that he can't defeat super buu but then tries to defeat kid buu
>super buu doesn't want fat buu out of his body because that's means that he will become a weaker version of himself
>goku and vegeta said that buu is weaker after not having people inside his body
He isn't. Since you like to be spoonfeed, go here:
quora.com
>Goten and trunks xan transform because they were had when both goku and vegeta had super saiyan. This is something everyone must know by now. Same thing with kid buu being weaker than buu.
That goes against the in series logic, and was never explained or hinted at in the actual series.
You either heard that in interview toriyama did or some fanbook he made.
Also your image is just vegeta commenting on his appearance not his power level.
>Why did the spirit bomb work when it has never worked before? Because the plot demanded it. It's a happy ending to have the people of earth put their spirit and energy together to defeat the big bad.
I agree, I acually said this before that it just worked because the author wanted it to work but by all accounts it goes against the in series logic.
Im from Montenegro, and here in former Yugoslavian countries DB was never aired. The only thing aired was DBZ from Saiyan saga to the end of Frieza saga so everyone, including me, grew up with old goku with no knowledge that the kid Goku ever existed. Also we never called the show "Dragon Ball Z", we just simply call it "Goku"
The only in series explanation I could think of (not sure if this is a translation thing or I somehow made it up) is that you have to be pure of heart to use the spirit bomb. And because the spirit bomb is a pure/divine technique from the kais it destroys kid buu since he's pure evil. That could be total headcanon though but it's the only "in universe" reason I could think of.
>That goes against the in series logic, and was never explained or hinted at in the actual series. You either heard that in interview toriyama did or some fanbook he made.
That's is not contradicted by the in series logic,i don't know what makes you think that. Like i said, it's common sense. Two people that had kids while having super saiyan will make that kids super saiyan two. (Also, toriyama did explain that in databooks and interviews like you said)
>Also your image is just vegeta commenting on his appearance not his power level.
They can feel ki. And see Also,you didn't refute my explanation on how kid buu was weaker than super buu.
The in series logic is unlocking super saiyan requires training , hard work, and emotional traumatic events.
>Two people that had kids while having super saiyan will make that kids super saiyan two.
By a scientific/genetic standpoint that makes no sense, how does turning super saiyan change your dna and fundamentally change your potential offspring dna makeup. The genome should always be there and not accelerated by being unlocked at certain age.
It would be like people haveing super athletic children because they took roids when the conceived them. ....Maybe that actually is a thing since I haven't looked into it. If so I'll concede on that issue.
>They can feel ki.
Yeah they can , they felt his ki in the middle bottom image but vegeta comment is before that image. If there is a follow up image where comments that they can still take him or that he's weaker I'd like to see it.
>Also,you didn't refute my explanation on how kid buu was weaker than super buu.
You didn't reply that to me , you replied to a different user.
I've glanced at it and I can see that It doesn't come from an official source but of course I'm not going to dismiss it or anything Until I can see how strong the content is. I'll make a proper reply to this in the next post because we are getting close to page 10.
Based.
From a scientific standpoint it doesn't make sense, but where talking about the logic inside dragon ball. In fact, you said that inside the series this didn't make sense. And now you bring up real life logic to it. Trunks and goten havinf super saiyan because genes make sense because that's how is made. Same explanation over how gohan being mixed with a human doesn't make him in a deformity like most brown people.
>I've glanced at it and I can see that It doesn't come from an official source but of course I'm not going to dismiss it or anything Until I can see how strong the content is. I'll make a proper reply to this in the next post because we are getting close to page 10.
I also want a source that confirms kid buu being stronger than super buu,if you don't like my explanations. I'll wait for you in the next thread.
>Risu getting BTFO
Lol nigger, the OG Dragon Ball aired basically every day in Mexico too, and it did so a good while before Z got ported over too. I distinctly recall being told by other kids to catch the "new" Dragon Ball sequel on TV as a child, and this was in the mid 90s.
To simply put OP, DB didn't fulfill a niche in the market. DBZ offered sharp character design, introduced power lvls, unique high speed aerial combat, GigaChads, badass transformations, and absurd powerscale.
Dragon Ball and Z are basically two completely different series, with recurring cast and world history.
It irks me that, if you had never watch the original Dragon Ball, when DBZ starts you're just expected to know what Dragon Balls are, not to mention the way influence all of the Earth characters actions and the whole plot of go to Namek to get more wishes.
Same. I think DB's strengths and weaknesses are fairly consistent even if the tone can change. My least favorite arc is probably the Cell arc; I have Toonami era/Legacy of Goku 2 nostalgia for it, but to be honest I think it gets a bit dull once Cell absorbs Android 17. He was more interesting as a creepy horror villain. It's still fun, though. It's not my favorite period of Toriyama's art but it's dynamic and well-handled.
Opposed to 60% powering up and screaming?
>most people say Cell arc is worst arc
Super apologists says that.
Everything in DBS is shitty by default.
I consider Super separate from the original manga.
DBZ also had stuff like that. Superfags think a little blood from a cut is edgy.
No it didn't. Name once. You can't. Stop making up bullshit like we all can't spot it.
Scenes with Master Roshi.