Why is it that when One Piece has plot holes, nobody minds but when they find a plot hole in another series...

that would only work for so long before someone cracked down on them

How new are you? One Piece gets shit for plotholes all the time like the Shanks vs. Sea King or O MY GEAR SECOND. What's the point of this thread?

I mean, they probably have and do. Getting into and out of the Grand Line is only an issue for fledgling pirate wannabes, not anyone of merit. I imagine there are several stations in the New World where pirates enter and exit at their leisure to do business with the outside Blues.

Who's to say it's never happened? Not important anyway since there's not much of worth in the calm belt. Trying to take a shortcut to get to the end of the GL would be pointless since the way to get to raftel requires interpreting poneglyphs anyway.

You need to be able to read the red poneglyphs to be able to find raftel where one piece is. Everyone who can read it was killed except for Robin, and she's on that journey right now.

How do you seperate drinking water from sea water?

What?

Shanks lost to a fucking bottom rung Sea King episode 1

we don't know where it is

this is cringe bro take it down

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Probably the biggest one I can think of along with Crocodile somehow losing to Luffy despite being strong enough to take potshots at Whitebeard's crew later. Pre-Sabaody power levels were a little weird, Oda got his act together once haki started being explored in greater detail. He probably didn't expect to be writing the greatest selling manga in history at the time and was probably living in fear of being cancelled like most new mangaka, so he had to spice up the plot and pace near the beginning.

Because only idiots still read wan piss

Why didn't Big Mom send anyone to kill Zeff even though she literally said she would do it?

the threat was in place to get sanji to marry her daughter, which he followed with
after the strawhats pulled a fast one on her she won't be satisfied with killing zeff, it's the strawhats, specifically luffy, she wants on a spike
and zeff doesn't mean as much to luffy so wasting resources on him now doesn't matter as it won't satisfy her blood lust towards mugiwara

according to shanks, he did it on purpose to send a message to luffy about what it means to be a pirate

crocodile WON against luffy twice and left luffy to die and at the third time luffy just barely won and was about to die while crocodile was merely unconscious, and he would have died if robin didn't save him a second time

Bleeding out and conscious is better than beaten unconscious. Crocodile used his Logia like such a retard it's a wonder he managed to command any authority. Anyone with even a moderate understanding of haki could probably have pounded him into the floor. Now, that would've been fine and all if he were later treated like a big fish in a small pond, but he's unnervingly successful on the Marineford battlefield.

Your other two points are coping to an embarrassing degree. Zeff is literally a regular blue denizen, the lowest rung member of her thousands strong army could probably get the job done with their pinky finger. The Shanks thing is beyond retarded.

The way you phrase it is retarded but the answer is "any body of water large enough for a human to be submerged in cancels DF powers"

The whole point of Pekoms telling them why Sani was forced to go to WCI was to show that BM could have anyone killed in the world at any time because having people killed over every small sleight meant nothing to BM. And fuck, the BMP is a fucking huge organization, like she couldn't send one of her executives. Half a page of a fodder BMP getting his ass slapped by Zeff would have been something at least, but as it stands Oda just handwaved that threat.

He was at early Paradise Luffy level at that time so it's not impossible if the Sea King gnawed at him while he was pulling Luffy out of the way.
Being a Yonkou eventually doesn't mean you are invulnerable for your entire lifetime.

>"any body of water large enough for a human to be submerged in cancels DF powers"
their powers still work it just weakens them. Usually its because they got their ass beat first that cancel out the powers.

Technically Oda did sidestep this one by completely changing what Raftel was. He subtly moved the goalposts so the entire first 800 chapters or so of the manga were a lie. Originally Raftel was at the end of the world so you were just trying to get there. In which case, anyone who could sail the Calm Belt could just start at the end. Even now you could just skip from your sea right into the New World without ever going through Paradise or Reverse Mountain. And of course, there are plenty of people born at the end of the New World so the whole premise that it's unexplored territory was always a fiction. Luffy is the equivalent of a late-era explorer discovering already inhabited lands. But, Raftel is no longer something you get to through log pose, it's in a secret location that requires the four Road Poneglyphs to give you coordinates (despite the fact that you can't use coordinates in the Grand Line). Oda really has never thought about the travel in One Piece, it will always be the big plothole of the entire franchise but as long as you ignore that stuff, it's not so bad.

THIS
I came to the same conclusions, that Oda love to make every route and location mysterious and nearly insurmountable to get to but everytime the strawhat pirates reach a certain point, all stuff becomes more mundane, because Oda couldn't bothered with keeping the the word consistent in that regard because it encumbers his desired plot progression.

Power levels in One Piece are not mathematically linear. People are as powerful as the narrative structure demands them to be.
Also, Oda wanted to end One Piece much earlier, so I doubt he rushed anything in the beginning. When he started writing, he thought it would be done in five years.

Well, the thing is, stuff always gets less and less mysterious the more you find out about it. That's just how mysteries work.

The problem is that Oda changes his whole world with that fact, everytime.

That's not what Oda does. What he actually does is write a basic world where nothing is really that dangerous, nothing is really that mysterious and nothing is really that eventful. BUT THEN he makes sure everything the Straw Hats do is balls-to-the-wall unexplored impossible to believe ADVENTURE so that everything they do is always presented as unique when they do it and then it turns out it's not as all after they've absorbed the information. Reverse Mountain/Calm Belt, Log Poses, Sky Islands, Fishman Island, freak weather and undersea beasts (you can actually extend this to other worldbuilding concepts too like Poneglyphs or Devil Fruits or Haki). All of it is presented as if the Straw Hats are the first to ever do it or encounter it and they barely accomplished it. But then you realize every single other significant character in the whole manga does all this shit all the time and it's not even a thing. Nami's navigation skills are so good everyone would die without her! But then every other fodder crew in the entire manga accomplishes the same stuff without a Nami.

AFAIR that's what Blackbeard actually tried, but failed because Akainu was on that ship.

>Not important anyway since there's not much of worth in the calm belt
Early in the series, it was stated Raftel ws at the end of the Grand Line and you can go across the Grand Line through the Calm Belt. Oda retconning shit is no excuse.

How did Pell survive?

Falcons can dive really fast.

Isn't the concept of Haki a huge plot hole?

Because a sea king bit off Shanks' arm?

I always thought from the beginning that the ultimate treasure being just at one known place on the world map was a stupid idea. It seems Oda realized that too a little too late, the actual location being a mystery is much more of an improvement. At least Dragonball made it so that the treasure is in different parts all over the world.

How did Crocodile not die here?

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More inconsistencies on how powers work.

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Really bad tunnel vision and cognition dissonance. They are truly worse than Fatefags in being up their own ass and as intolerable as Jojofags.

With some small exceptions no one used armament or observation haki pre time skip when they clearly should or could have. On Skypiea we saw observation haki but I feel like that was never meant to be haki. Then during Marineford we saw some weird ass haki but it was clear and not black though I believe Oda made that change to make it obvious when it was being used. Also its obvious that armament haki was made to combat logias because Oda fucked up.

You are experiencing that as the reader.

That was the barrier haki. Different than the black arm.

>tfw was a one piece fan
>reads this thread
Holy shit, I never knew One Piece was so terribly written. Fuck! I can't believe I've been a fan of this garbage for so long! Help me bros how do I deal with this?

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Read something good like HxH.

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That really made me giggle. Blackbeard with his crew built in the "imagine an overpowered crew"-builder literally waiting for a marine ship...
And shitting his pants because of one grumpy man standing on it.

>Point a few mistakes that has happened in OP
>a 956 chapter manga/anime series which is bound to have some mistakes
>"Yeah it's shit, i'm not reading that"

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what were those mistakes again?

Sabo's not actually dead, r-right bros?

dry mouth.

>implying hxh doesn't have plot holes

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Crocodile's power level/threat is way too low to constitute his placement as a Warlord. Luffy beat him pre-haki and pre-gear 2. How is he on the same level as Mihawk and Doflamingo? I don't think seven Crocodiles equal to one Doflamingo let alone Seven warlords = 3 Admirals or 4 Yonkous.

>tfw was a hxh fan
>reads this thread
Holy shit, I never knew HxH was so terribly written. Fuck! I can't believe I've been a fan of this garbage for so long! Help me bros how do I deal with this?

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It was never stated that the Warlords were all equally as strong

what's the inconsistency there?

That may be so but the difference is way too bad.

He drank water literally one panel before that. There was no way his mouth could have dried that quickly.

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Buggy has the ability to separate his body parts. I don't know, maybe he should separate his parts to slip out of the ropes?

Same could be applied to Moria who could no doubt be beaten by Crocodile given the fact that he didn't have Haki. Besides, Buggy's worse than both of them.

He can only separate so many body parts. They tied up the parts he could separate from.

Buggy's been able to separate something as small as his hands before and all those limbs in that pic are clearly larger than his hand.

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im an opbro and i agree that crocodile fight was bullshit.

holy fuck one piece niggers are btfo in this thread.. im a one piece fag myself.

Moral of the story is not to get triggered by minor plot holes. People take plot holes to seriously but any notable series will have plot holes at some point. They can have other strengths too.

because he used all that water to rehydrate his arm. Plus water doesnt turn off his power it just makes it possible to hurt him.

He let go of the bomb moments before it exploded and rode the shockwave with his wings.

Later its revealed buggy got better using his powers. The buggy ball was one of those things in impel down. The powers you point often make some users too cocky and they are only limites by the users imagination and personal strength.
Buggy can fly if someone holds on to his feet for him.

You need to be caught in the blast to ride the shockwave though. You're basically saying he got his own body blown up to escape being blown up.

that is really the only plot hole in one piece so far. Dodging and explosion seems to be a mystery yet resolved.

How did Moria use his Zombies in brought day lights in Marinford?

>You need to be caught in the blast to ride the shockwave though
Unless you have something to use as cover and ride instead but no, Pell was airborne, there was nothing he could use.

it could have just been his utility ,
being able to level an entire country into a desert wasteland is even better than a buster call.

He obviously unlocked his armament Haki at this exact moment!

because one piece has no plotholes
stop speedreading

He did not have time, he was shocked and then sent fly by Luffy right after.

Ahem

That's literally what Don Krieg did.

did you not read the rest of the posts? or do you play dumb while being dumb.

its possible but still off panel so any thing is up in the air here.

Awaken Zoan (it's dumb but it's what oda choosed)

read

read

Everybody ignores plot holes if the series is enjoyable enough. IMO the big secret to OP is how it handles filler; there is none, the author stalls with boat episodes instead.

i wonder if buddy has learned to split himself microscopically essentially making him into a logia.

What? The OP anime is full of filler episodes.

lots of sunscreen

How much can odafags suck his dick believing him to be completely perfect, above ever making plot holes? Even I can admit my favorite series has plot holes.

not so far. People who have DF use them differently than you would expect. the worst sounding devil fruit can be the most powerful.

Name some plotholes in One Piece.

because your favorite series is not the best selling and therefore has plot holes
retard

because you keep assuming this by your hatred of one piece alone. You dont have to like ot, you dont have to read it, but if you wanna talk about plot holes then focus on the actual ones instead of making wild assumptions to something you barely read in the first place.

Read the thread, we pointed it out all over the place.

Pell dodging and explosion was not well explained. I hope oda does tell us how he did it.

and they were responded too, to which you ignore.

Zombies can walk under sunlight. Only the host body of the shadow needs to be in a dark place.

>very flimsly responded to
Buggy's separation ability should have never made roping a problem to begin with. There was no reason to be shocked.

look at the bleach fanbase
very little people go after them cause they openly admit to the bad writting.

and he still isn't aware of it

still responded to which you didnt bother to make a counter argument. Like I said, there are plot holes the one you listed however arent any of them.

Nobody remembers Bleach anymore.

>Buggy's separation ability should have never made roping a problem to begin with. There was no reason to be shocked.
that's incorrect, His abilities were weak then and he relied on his ability not to be cut. Later he gets stronger, not much, but he gets better at using them. Luffy didnt start out being super strong or durable, he couldnt even throw a punch to save his life when he was a child.

>still responded to which you didnt bother to make a counter argument
But I just did.

Because unlike for other series, One Piece fans have confidence that Oda will fix the plot holes sometime down the line so that they make sense.

He separated his hand countless times and if he could counter being cut then being roped should be at least as easy to counter.

no you just said flimsy response, you have yet to prove me other wise as such or how it was flimsy at all.

Why didn't Croco boy just touch his wet body with his own hand to suck the water out and make himself dry again?

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Being roped together at the begining of the series doesnt mean who could seperate any further then. Like i said he got better at using his powers. Luffy didnt think he cpuld go to gear 2nd until he actually worked on it.

some of the powers makes no sense. >akainu's magma being hotter than fire
>kizaru not making island sized craters everytime he attacks
>luffy's powers should be easily telegraphed

why didn't buggy just carry his own feet
put it on his back or place them in a pouch on his belt or something

he does croc still can be hit by a damp object or fist. Doesnt mean his powers dissapear when he is hit.

Okay I admit that this is a plot hole.

because his feet had to be held by someone else. In impel down luffy held buggys feet so he could fly. His feet have to be touching something other than his body.

>anyone who could sail the Calm Belt could just start at the end

Start at the end of what? How do you find the last island without having a log pose attuned to it? Just sail around and hope you don't die before you bump into shore? This was never a plot hole, people just don't use their brains when they think about shit.

Why didn't Chopper just ask the giant birds to fly him to One Piece?

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Because the birds don't know where Raftel is and neither does Chopper.

So what you're saying is if someone cuts Buggy quickly with a sword, he could just easily separate but if they just wrap a rope around him and squeeze him hard enough, they'd be able to split his body in two without activating his power?

one piece is hidden and no one knows where it is except a select few.

Incorrect. They used to not be, but with Haki and bullshittery happening now they kind of are.
Remember when you used to be clever to win a fight? Now you just train your haki more and win.
Remember when fruits that made one hard to hit where a threat? Now haki just hits them with anything.

Wow and the plot holes just keep coming up. Yet the optards still insist that Oda is a perfect god incapable of any mistake.

well haki can be over powered by someone elses haki, but this just give non df users an ability to fight back.

lurk more

>seriously replying

But there is no measurment of difference between haki.

Haki has become DBZ ki in that its vague, and exists only to constantly one up itself by doing the exact same thing but with the characters telling you its better than ever this time.

That's not what they said before and yes, retcons are plot holes because they fuck up the in series logic.
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Not really, most villains in East Blue or the New World went down because Luffy threw enough punches.

But everyone knows about Oda's mistakes, they're brought up frequently in the SBS and he laughs about them.

Adding to this.
They already had some light martial arts stuff going on with sanji, garp, and other characters. the introduction of haki just seems lazy as hell to me.

none of that is what I said. What I said was Buggy was limited because he didnt have full control over his powers yet.
By your logic he should have awakened his devil fruit from the get go, but he didnt.

Harry Potter is making good points there though
This. With haki blasts now being a thing Devil Fruits have stopped being relevant.

Percentage of plotholes to plot is important.

if you read the series DF havent stopped being relevant even now. there are even levels to which the DF powers can be used.

He could escape being cut, that should have easily been enough control to escape being roped. Stop making excuses.

haki was introduced at the start of one piece infact. When shanks used his Conquer Haki on the sea king.

OP is 15% plot holes, 80% padding and only 5% quality content.

I am not making excuses. They didnt cut him up the bound him up. Completely different from cutting.

Name even ONE (1) Devil Fruit since the time-skip
Huh?
What's that?
You mean you... can't?
BIG
FUCKING
SHOCK

thats not it.

>Name even ONE (1) Devil Fruit since the time-skip
The Hobby Hobby Fruit from Dressrosa.
The Gas Gas Fruit from Punk Hazard.

Dragon Fruit
Gas Fruit
Operation Fruit
Snow Fruit
String Fruit
dinosaur fruit
Fake Zoan Fruit being manufactured

One piece haters are so fucking retarded

>The entire show sucks because of a few irrelevant plot holes
>b-but how do df user take baths? one piece is shit confirmed

If you want to shit on the show at least get better arguments

You're making shit up but nyone who reads one piece knows its just haki

He escaped being sliced up before and if could do that, being roped shouldn't have been a problem.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZpPxHRUOfKk

Jacket fruit
Barrier fruit
Mucous fruit
Stone fruit
Draw Fruit
Tanooki fruit
Castle Fruit
Soul fruit
smoothy fruit
oven fruit
cracker fruit
mochi fruit
turtle fruit

Wait, were the zombies ever vulnerable to sunlight? I only remember it being a thing for shadowless people.

oda is fucking hack
the "one piece" is the luffy hat(read the first chapter again,all the clues are there)
the world building is terrible
most character are useless most of the history(really,shanks is still fucking around and not helping other at all)

FUCK ODA,literally the most lucky asian in the world

it does when being bound up isnt cutting.

this is sadly the truth. i like manga that focus on the main cast rather (i.e. yu yu hakusho) than the internal struggles of some literally who island and all the people on it. so reading one piece weekly is very painful as it tends to focus on so many other things.

Name one MAJOR plot hole that impacted the plot in a huge way.

nope all those are real. Look them up. Even got a gravity fruit user blind samurai

Crocus isn't wrong there. All the routes do converge on an island where you learn about the Poneglyphs. The mistake was assuming this island then directly leads to you One Piece because you see a straight green arrow, Crocus never stated such a thing. Instead it only indirectly leads you there, you use the knowledge of the existence of Road Poneglyphs to find the final island's location.

So basically, back to this point

>only intimidated the Lor D of the Coast instead of straight up knocking him out cold
fucking weakass

The zombies never were vulnerable to sunlight, only to salt.

That's because One Piece fans are literally creating so many headcanons that they are not even sure what's canon and what's not.

no he doesnt just seperate before he is cut, he also separates while being cut. Binding his limbs while he was in the middle of returning to his body fucked things up for him. They caught him and bound him.

because haki doesnt knock animals out it frightens them. Only people would fall unconscious because they dont rely on their instincts like animals do.

says the one guy who doesnt even read it.

He should still be able to separate in the same way he does when he's being cut.

but he was already separated and was returning to his body. Hence why they stop him via binding him by rope. Buggy isnt invincible, especially when he still doesnt use his powers very well in the begining of the series. He later says he got better at using his powers.

That makes sense but then I remembered the giant elephant that Rayleigh knocked out during his haki demonstration to Luffy right before the timeskip

plot hole:

an inconsistency in the narrative or character development of a book, film, television programme, etc.

Op is a moron and clearly doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

That's just the typical i scare you with my presence trope. Haki was inserted about 200 chapters in the story

he used an invisible move that Luffy is currently right now learning to use against Kaido. Its and invisible punch some what, like an extra hand that punches through things to do internal damage or block with out touching some one.

Haki was there from the beginning, its later shown Shanks has it so strong he was knocking out white beard's crew just by walking by them.

Technically the string and operation fruits are pre-timeskip.

>"I come in peace, I just want to talk"
>knocks out half the crew
what did he mean by this

true my mistake.

Shanks needed to check his haki privilages at the boat door.

>MUH HEADCANON CONFIRMED OHMY
No, the author is just so lazy that he uses other people's ideas *trying* to fix the mess this series is. Many headcanons are still wrong and OP fans are still in denial that the series lacks overall direction and cohesive storytelling with featuring characters on par with isekai shitfest.

says the guy who screams head canon about a manga he doesnt read.
How do you even know when you dont read it?

So when they bind him by rope, why doesn't he separate again as though he was being cut?

Except that I've started reading it, just dropped it when I've realized how bad it actually is?

>being this much of a contrarian

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I know you're baiting, but state two reasons why it's bad.

because he was trying to recombine. Later in the chapter he cant do anything unless he has the rest of his body. In the series you find out he travels alone with just his hands feet and head unable to get back together. His crew had to find him and bring him his body parts back to him. He couldnt seperate anyfurther because he already combined together again with out the rest of his body. Liffy stopped him and knocked him off the island before he could get his body back.

He doesn't separated. He is cut by the sword, but it has no effect. Rope doesn't cut people.

Bad art, bad writing.

Why is it that the most broken of the broken fruits gets acquired by people with 0 combat ability. I am talking about:
Sugar
Miss goldenweek
Perona
and probably a few more. Imagine having someone strong/fast having Sugars fruit. You just win by touching someone. How come WG or Yonkou dont go after the fruit? Its literally god tier.

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Why was Crocus such an asshole? He knew on that island they will find only the importance of Road Poneglyphs and they need to restart their journey to gather them.

the most broken is actually the onese with the weakest concepts. There is one guy who has Door Fruit. He can create doors out of thin air and travel around with them like worm holes.

>Miss Goldenweek
Doesn't have a Devil Fruit.

>Bad art
Subjective
>Bad writing
Now you're just running in circles
>the writing is bad!
>why is it bad?
>because it's bad!

You can't just hand people the keys to the kingdom, user.

So you admit it's a bad series with bad art and bad writing?
Good.

He shouldn't have his arms destroyed by a weak ass monster if that was the case.

thats a sea king. an old one but still.

This, One piece fight were never that good on a strategic level

>How come WG or Yonkou dont go after the fruit
They didn't know it exists.

Wow, what a boring "points". Hunterchads at least were entertaining.

based mega satan

Imagine Absalom using his invisibly ability on Sugar. They can just 1 hit all the yonkou by just Sugar touching them. I wonder if haki can detect invisible absalom?

>using elements introduced later in the story to say it was their since the Beginning

It can. CoO can see through walls too.

It was. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's no longer true.

Absalom can probably do some bullshit awakening like being super invisible that not even observation haki can detect him but haki nullifies devil fruit powers in the first place so I guess not?

How come Kizaru doesn't kill everyone?

t.

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Why is the art bad? Why is the writing bad? You didn't explain shit.

I wish I could hold my breath as good as him.

I wish Oda tell us how long were the voyage for each island. Considering the early arc happened in the span of 2-3 days at most, it feels like Strawhats spent more time separated (2 years) than as a proper crew.
Also it made other pirates loitering around for years in a place seems ridiculous timeline wise.

>haki nullifies devil fruit powers in the first place
Slow down Kizaru-kun!

What's there to explain about? It sucks so it sucks.

>"any body of water large enough for a human to be submerged in cancels DF powers"
then how come water work with Crocadile and it didn't weaken Luffy as he was touching it?

Make me.

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You cant be this dumb

That'll do it!

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why did you aim at a candle key instead of Luffy's head,isn't it a good idea to kill the candle holder rather than breaking a candle?

The water just cancels because its the weakness of Croco's devil fruit. Regular water doesnt work against Logia (you cant punch Enel with wet hands). You need sea water for that (it only weakens as well instead of nullify).

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Haki is one giant plot hole and ruined everything

Explain it to me. How did one of the seven warlords rise up the ranks when a bucket of water could kill him?

because one piece isn't holier than thou about lore being perfectly consistent. it focuses mostly on luffy just going on his adventure. and some mysterious bullshit lore about a missing century that actually wont matter until the end of the story anyways

AAAAAAAAAHHH SAKAZUKI HELP ME

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Original answer is wrong and it's a misconception that water cancels DF powers (see luffy in Arlong Park). Seastone negates Devil Fruits. Crocodile was weak to water because he had an elemental weakness to water because he was a sand Logia.

then how does it seperate normal water from kairouseki water?it happens naturally too.

I don't understand your question? Being submerged in any kind of water just makes you paralyzed and you can't move. You can still use your DF. Seastone is separate from water because it's a different natural element, it got its name because of the effects on DF users.

can you explain this to me

Actually, Blackbeard mention of haki before the timeskip refers to literal "ambition" and not to the lame power system, so yeah haki was introduced as a lazy way to deal with logia. Oda is a hack.

Your argument for it are flimsy and look more like retcon than foreshadowing

Haki was there since Dressrosa you retards except Oda obviously didn't develop it fully yet but the idea was there. It wasn't a complete retcon but don't kid yourselves it was there from the Shanks scene. He put that since his editor told him the first chapter is boring or some shit like that.

as much as you keep denying it, it still is canon that shanks haki awoke when his arm got bit off. Throughout the entire series it was talked about. Sorry this upsets you.

>He put that since his editor told him the first chapter is boring or some shit like that.
that was about him losing his arm, i think, not the haki.

>a
cant it be both?

You're factually wrong. You can look up it somewhere, I'm not gonna Google it for you. I'm actually on your side saying the idea of haki was always there, but not from the very start. The thing with Shanks is a fucking retcon even if Oda worked around it, but you're too retarded to admit it.

imagine looking like that
Who the fuck wants to look like a tumor?

Cont. ^ and I meant Skypeia not Dressrosa
That's what I meant. Also Oda didn't even plan for the series to go for so long to introduce haki. IIRC he planned to end somewhere around Alabasta but the manga started selling like crazy and he got new ideas, so its fact that he only thought up of haki around Skypeia.

Still me proudly samefagging proving you retards wrong

Also Mihawk fought Shanks while he still had both arms and he actually looks down upon him now because he has one less arm so that's plain wrong. The whole Romance Dawn is shaky since Oda realistically couldn't think 900 chapters in advance but he works so well around it you almost don't notice it.

>One Piece should have ended before they have found the One Piece.

I am pretty sure the “haki“ moment with the sea king wasn’t in the early version

>name one
Mr.3 being at Ace's execution platform and not trying to free him until Luffy knocked him off with haoshoku haki

Because despite some plotholes it's fun and and gets consistently updated. That's really all I'm expecting from a shonen.

>shonen

Are we doing that soft-seinen thing again?

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this thread is pitiful. Pell and a bit of plot induced stupidity/luck is the best you faggots can do?

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is that a thing?

Well considering OP has zero major plot holes that actually affect the plot, that's the best they can do.

Being a best seller doesn't make it free from plotholes, you fucking retard. Just take a look at dragon ball.

Explain what exactly?

But that's all he can do; chop himself into smaller bits. The moment you grab those bits and lock them up, he's in trouble.

Suck it out where? Into himself?

Impel down is in the calm belt and the escaped prisoners stole a marine ship to GTFO.

Then name some actual fucking plot holes and not muh fruit powers or a thing from the first chapter in a 900 issue series that was obviously not thought through at the time

Locking them up would be an understandable weakness as long he can't split to slip out of the confinement but he was just roped.

So what, you want more contrivances like blood-soaked fists or perfect insulation against lightning? How exactly is Luffy going to beat Admirals without Haki or the mother of all asspulls? Even Seastone won't do you much good against someone who can turn their whole body into magma, ice or light.

still don't understand how Katakuri isn't technically a logia bro. What other "paramecia" is intangible like he is? If the only thing that does not make him Logia is the fact it's not a "natural" substance, that just means logias can be more than just natural elements, clearly.

Dragon is a loser!

the meme

Originally it was about Captain America asking Tony Stark for help.

Haki gives you incredible power, but only if you train for years and years risking your life, and only 1% of the population has enough potential to be masters. A DF can turn you into a fucking dragon or a natural disaster in an instant, and doesn't even prevent you from using Haki to make yourself more OP. You tell me if that's 'irrelevant'.

I'm not the one arguing about one piece having plot holes or not. I'm just calling out a retard like you that makes the OP fanbase look like mouth-breathers by saying the stupid shit you did.

>why doesn’t a character just ________

I see people still don’t know what the definition of a plot hole is.

Why doesn't Big Mom just get a cardiac arrest and fucking die already?

You're the retarded one fucktard since the only thing I did is ask you to name some plot holes that actually affect the plot and you couldn't provide me with an answer so instead you're strawmaning me. I'm the dumb one defending something I like while you have no actual basis shitting on it in the first place?

So how does her power work?

He could always just split again and recombine again.

It just does.

Marines execute people for really minor things but keep the world's most dangerous criminals in a prison of the supposedly super rare Seastone.

>since the only thing i did is ask you to name some plot holes
You are not the same person I originally replied to earlier then. If the below post isn't you, then I apologize since I expected only that guy to respond.
However, If that was you that wrote that shitpost, then I'll continue to call you out because you wrote something retarded and deserve to be told to fuck off.

Bellemere's death was fucking stupid.

How is this a plot hole?

>is a woman
>gets shot
Uhh... like, sexist much FUCKFACE?

I don't really care about that overused buzzword, just wanted to share that I thought chapter 78 was dumb.

Didn't the "ahhh help me" meme come from SnK?

He isn't intangible, his body is just very maleable so he uses his Observation haki to avoid getting hit, it's just a very good dodging technique.

What is dumb exactly? Fishmen were going to collect every month and she didn't have enough to pay, it was either pay for herself and let nami and nojiko leave the island all by themselves or sacrificing herself to let them stay on the island with the people they know.

None of this would have been a problem if Oda hadn't made Logia so busted by default, then made at the time 3 of the biggest marine powerhouses Logias as well as having 2 consecutive arcs where Logia's were the major antagonists requiring such bullshittery as bloody fists or perfect counter devil fruits. Luffy's supposed early rival in Smoker was also a logia and that had to be curtailed by his father and Luffy's logia brother. It's not a plot hole, but Oda is on record for severely underestimating how he developed his ideas, at least early on. And it's painfully Obvious Haki was introduced to help curtail this problem which then led to a more DB setup of "my powerlevel is higher than yours" because that's how armament haki works.

Did it? I first saw it on Yea Forums so I just assumed.

If the others can continuously pay for the children anyway then how the fuck does it help that she dies?

The village could barely pay for themselves the first time. She was poor even by village standards and beyond that Arlong wanted to send a message anyway. Of all the things to bitch about that's a pretty dumb thing to point to

She couldn't bring herself to not pay for them, because it would be like denying they are her daughters.

based and feministpilled

>then how the fuck does it help that she dies?
Ask Arlong, he was the one who wanted to kill her instead of working out a payment plan.

arlong is dead

If he tried that he'd be shot/killed some other way on sight.Better use the chaos and confusion Luffy caused and do it then.

I don't the the "you have to choose a route" played much relevance later on, when this became a hindrance.
Everyone could sail everywhere, where they want.

How can Bege sail back to Dressrosa when they doesn't have eternal poses?

>Nami's navigation skills are so good everyone would die without her! But then every other fodder crew in the entire manga accomplishes the same stuff without a Nami
Not really true, most crews need an atleast decent navigator to sail the grand line but that’s because it’s a dangerous place, but if you have strong people you can face these dangers and survive, but without a navigator you’ll take longer and you’ll probably face more dangers.

>but if you have strong people you can face these dangers and survive, but without a navigator you’ll take longer and you’ll probably face more dangers.
Not really, it was well established, that if you can't navigate like a god and aren't always alert, you will never reach your destination. Not matter how good of a fighter you are.

It’s more like
>say there are mistakes
>said mistakes have in world explanations, reasons and consistency (even if some of it is through ret-con)
>still claims there are uncountable plotholes and it’s shit
I don’t get what drives someone so mad that they have to actively try to shit on otherse enjoyment.

Will is the most important stat in One piece fights, you can like it or not. But Crocodile lost because his will was crushed after his plan had met an unstoppable resistance and his reward had not been what he expected.

The one plot hole in One Piece is Trebol getting slashed horizontally. He shouldn't have been able to be slashed that way since he's a Paramecia. That's literally it.

me

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And that time Moria took the shadows of a bunch of soldiers in Marineford and they didn't die. That too is a plot hole.

Why?

O

Suicide.

Has it ever been said that the road poneglyphs contain cartographical coordinates? I always figured Raftel was never something easily able to be landed on and that the poneglyphs were parts of some weird puzzle or code phrase needed to get past some defense mechanism of the ancients. It could either be a well known location with a locked or fragile mechanism protecting the treasure, there's some kind of ridiculous weather phenomenon blocking passage that heavily endangers fruit users, Fishmen, and even the best of ships, or it exists in some kind of hidden state like deep underwater or high in the air.

because nobody knows where the fuck raftel is because in order to find it, you need to get like 4 different sets of coordinates and they're all in different locations. strawhats have 2 of them right now iirc but that still leaves 2 to go.

Two words: Bird Cage

This is why I'm concerned about Jinbei as a helmsman. We've never seen then in danger because they lacked one aside from WCI

>all these post
Christ, Speed D. Reader isnt a meme.

Not a plot hole. At best a plot convience and supremely overpowered.

It makes absolutely no sense. It would mean Doflamingo is stronger than the sum of Fujitora, Zoro, and all them of literal who pirates. And it would also make Luffy stronger than all of them. Oda is worst than Dragon Ball Super when it comes powerlevel inconsistencies.

Until the very end of the arc, all those people you mentioned never gave a collective concerted effort at pushing back the cage because they were preoccupied with each other or Doflamingo's army, and then they DID push it back even as battered as they were. He very well could and probably does outclass the admirals in a 1v1 given how intelligent and experienced he is regarding haki and his fruit, which was one of the few that's managed to be "awakened" in the world. Luffy doesn't even outclass him, Doflamingo was fighting against practically an entire army for hours before he finally went down.

Luffy was running for most of the arc and fought that pointy head guy, and some fodder. And would have been Doflamingo sooner if he didn't send him flying so far.

Why do people always overlook the fact that the Doffy fight was 2v1? Luffy would not have beaten Doffy if it wasn't for Law weakening him. Hell, he was still giving Luffy some trouble even after Law fucked him up.

Doffy lost fair and square. G4 Luffy is stronger he just has shit stamina even if Law didn't slice him he would still wouldn't haven able to keep up Luffy. Also the toy devil fruit was completely broken as well.

>muh shanks vs beginner Sea King

Shanks showed up out of fucking nowhere in the middle of the ocean. I know Yonkou of all people have a right to be lightning fast, but even so, a swim blitz shouldn't be easy. There's no indication of nearby land or any previous inidcation of something displacing water before he shows up saving Luffy so this was literally some faster than Kizaru tier shit...in the middle of the Ocean, with haki being his only guide as to where Luffy is and no doubt being able to sense that Luffy is in fucking immediate death level danger.

Should we really be so hard on the guy for not realizing he was blitzing into a Sea King bite and not using Armament? You couldn't even argue the Sea King was stronger than him nack then either, it immediately runs.

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A plothole is not the author introducing in-world methods of navigation that don't correspond to the real world or real world physics (otherwise lots of weird shit in the grand line is a "plot hole"). Depending on what Raftel is and the area surrounding it, there may or may not be a plothole. We don't know yet.

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Nami has done really important stuff to keep the Straw Hats out of danger, read slower next time.

*Laugh Tale
Excuse me. I haven't seen Stampede yet.

If Oda didnt write Stampede and it isnt canon, why would Laugh Tale be?

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The Japanese characters haven't changed, it's just Oda informed the movie writers that the Latin romanization is Laugh Tale not Raftel. It's more of a localization fix than a retcon, kind of like Zolo => Zoro. I don't know if the Viz official translation will pick it up though.

Isnt "Laught Tale" too peculiar of a name for it not to get questioned in universe? Like seriously someone, maybe during Luffy's visit to Crocus, should have said something that would have indicated that romanization. It's like hearing a place is called "Big Scream" and not wondering why.

Is it any more peculiar than Loguetown, Dressrosa or Water 7? Hell, I wanna know why it's called Enies Lobby

It's not peculiar by One Piece standards.

Maybe not a plot hole but I think Pagaya surviving El Thor was bullshit

Water 7 has a pretty obvious explanation (you wouldn't find it weird to hear a place in this world os Water themed anyway) and the other two arent seperate words atleast. One vaguely sounds like "Log" which doesn't sound weird for the place though we know Oda is actually making a pun on Prologue and Epilogue, and naming a kingdom afrer clothing sounds rather normal in conpariosn to naming this legendary final osland of the world "Laugh" abd "Tale".

Why did Kuro need to fake his own death because of his bounty when even a random fucking civvie in the Grand Line has one higher than him?

East Blue bounties are generally bottom of the barrel. He's big fish there. You have to understand that East Blue versus Paradise is literally the weakest sea vs the second strongest.

Also what civie do you mean?

in the original japanese it's more ambiguous... it's a very hard island to localize which is why it has two canonical localizations

Because One Piece has too many plot holes that it's the norm and everyone accepts it.

Based.

Zeff hurting Luffy is also an early nod to haki.

Eternal Poses don't work in the New World they use the three pointed compass

Yeah like for Bleach it only has one asspull yet retards spam every thread with shit that spedread but every OP thread is one big circlejerk orgy. It’s a damn shame how brain dead these dumbasses are

many feel obligued to shit on one piece, likely since their favorite manga that is better on their eyes isn't as popular.

Nothing will ever be at the level one piece is. I am sure it is diffficult to grasp for plenty of people. Hell i have a hard time getting it thru my head that one piece is huge.

>still parrots 's-speedreader' whenever someone calls out bleach's retarded plot developments
>calls people braindead circlejerkers
irony

Honestly for me there are more holes in the setting than the plot.

Oda says he didn't plan for Shanks to fight
While Shanks says he bet it on Luffy
Also he didn't lose, he scared it away after all

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so they had to kill kuma because he was not kuma anymore. Now his fruit has spawned. Something horrible apparently happened in arabasta, so vivi will have to leave and join Luffy. Nikyu Nikyu confirmed.

She never said she would do it. Judge said he'd do it.

>people still don't understanding shanks was losing his arm on purpose to push the kid who said the same thing as his dead captain to the seas

why didn't the wg have a complete group of CPX at Morgan's office?

It did not say that it's the final island exactly. You are speaking out of your ass. Also, the problem isn't even getting to the end, it's surviving there. Yonkous reside there. Crazy weather and other random pirates don't help the situation either. So if you skipped all that shit without being good enough to tangle with Emperors, it would serve 0 purpose because you would die. They are the safeguard of One Piece essentially. And new Yonkous or Yonkou tier pirates don't pop up every day like that.

There's other instances of people surviving bullshit explosions. Perospero only lost an arm, pupug(sp) got Enel ion cannon'd. All this shit destroys the landscape, but somehow didn't vaporize the target. Combat, IS one piece's greatest plothole, not just in attempting to apply real world physics (luffy vs enel) to the cartoon logic Oda is running with, but with characters who have established power sets, not using them to their utmost logical extreme, my favourite is Kizaru; he can basically teleport and snipe tiny things, shoot lazor through peoples body, but won't run around a battlefield head shooting everyone. Swordsmen cleave metal, rock, buildings, the landscape, but somehow don't cleave people without swords (or those who can't counter cut metal) in twain. Explosions in fodders face don't blow their heads off etc.

It's a thematic story, not a gritty realism story.

Also to add to this. Your statement is false and you would only need to apply a bit of logic when you found out about Raftel to know it's not that simple and getting to end serves no purpose.
Gold Roger reached Raftel and obtained One Piece, thus becoming pirate king. We heard Luffy shouting a lot of his dream to find One Piece and becoming pirate King. Thus reaching Raftel, obtaining One Piece = Pirate King.
But then you had to ask yourself why wasn't there a pirate king since? After Roger died 20 years ago, the next strongest willing pirate should have become the pirate king, if all it took was to get to Raftel which was just at the end of Grand Line. Sit on his throne on the island and defend himself against other pirates. After he/she would die from old age or if they were killed, there would immediately a replacement. Essentially, Pirate King position would be eternal but that is NOT the case. The logical assumption is that Raftel is a hidden island somewhere in the vast sea portion at the end. Thus the existence of Yonkous.

I suppose, but even before all this it was established that bomb would kill everyone at the time. And Oda never seemed to comment on it, so I can only assume he made sure that this character stayed for a reason and dodging and explosion was a feat that was well outside this guys current power set.

It's not rare, just that WG is meant to have a monopoly on it. Presumably only wano can carve it, so anything else the WG has was salvaged over the centuries. But that also brings into question where they got the bits to coat the ships (that invention is recent and likely vegapunk). But also where did all the skypiean get theirs? They know it forms in their territory, but how did they carve it? If they can, WG should have some carvers as well.

I agree keeping some in level 6 is stupid, some of them are too strong or evil to keep around. Others were political (Jinbe). Really should have had rounds of public executions on a yearly rate or something. None of the other (except Jinbe/Ace) prisoners seemed to have the political importance to keep alive and use as a bargaining chip/bait.

There was some sort of apology about having him survive his heroic sacrifice, but he made the same mistake later, and again with bon. Hopefully pedro isn't a repeat.

Oh bon chan is too awesome to die. He earned my respect. Something some trans could learn from.

>people still believe this theory is the most moronic and contrived origin ever.
Him loosing an arm by accident is tame compared to that.

People keep forgetting that this all happened in an instant. Shanks just arrived in the nick of time to pull luffy out of harms way. Thats all, losing his arm only served to awaken his haki.

not in that instance. He had to recombine if he wanted to split again. they stopped him before he could allowing luffy the final blow.

Because Pirate King is a title bestowed by the WG to vilify Roger. We know there's others who've been there and they sit tight not talking or wanting to go back, so there's a larger political importance to it.

Shanks is the weird one, he know everything, chills out at the last glyph (his territory seems to be deep in, I'd like a map since FI was whitebeard, but BB took his land is seemingly deeper than BM territory), challenges people to reach the end and do what they could/would not (why?), prevents (or ties to) complete cataclysmic war (kaido going to marineford, warning to let teach slide, personally showing at the end, what ever he's telling the 5 now). He has to be sitting on something more than the last glyph and a history lesson.

Who are the people you're talking about that been to Raftel beside Roger and his crew?

I'd like creativity, but then you need to have on hand the elemental counter for who ever you come up against. Having it on hand could either be 'too convenient' or impossible and they'd loose.

Haki is a double edged sword, it shows us why end game characters could engage the broken as fuck logia without carrying every conceivable counter to a logia or turning the series into 'make sure you have your seastone cuffs', but it's just a bullshit power that is my x is stronger than your x, rather than being a simple on/off.

i think he means raftel it self, One piece is something that only the pirate king can find.

His crew or the fragments of it we've met, the odd hanger-on (crocus, dog, cat etc who came for a short trip). There's likely more we'll come across. He's meant to have made 2 trips there if I recall? Or at least started a second.

armament haki simply allows the user to bypass the fruit, not cancel it out completely. Plus there is the whole use of the power itself. You dont have to attack the person directly and there is the fact that the DF user pours his Haki into his ability making it stronger. It works for DF users too so basically we get a cool ass battle with guys shapeshifting and punching the shit put of each other.

he was dying when he gave himself up. So either he made the 2nd trip or did bother.

Partly this. "Last Island", relative to what? A specific logpoose chain? Physical last island? None of the average joes knew about 'raftel' until roger talked about. The fact that you need the 4 red glyphs could be a 'secret' only a few know (when roger was killed). His entire thing was baiting people to a random specific island with that name, because he hid some treasure on it. I fully expect it to have been somewhere we've been and that to open the door etc you need to be a D (some sort of biometric lock). It wasn't just 'hey go to the redline and run backwards to the closest island', it was about finding exactly what/where the fuck raftel was.

Yeah, duh. I know his crew seen it. If Luffy found One Piece and Raftel, that wouln't mean that Zoro and Nami, etc, would be Pirate Kings as well. It's the captain of course. I asked besides that, beside Roger and his crew, as other user implied that there were some people mentioned. The answer is none that we know of. At least, since Roger.

No he didn't make 2 trips speed reader-kun. He reached final Island, which is not Raftel, and tells you about Poneglyphs, and then you need to make the 2nd trip at which you go for Raftel instead of "Final Island".

CoC was definitely a thing. CoO as well. CoA was probably the asspull because broken logia need to be fight-able without resorting to everyone using seastone.

what are you asking even? did you have a stroke before typing this out?

they are still humans and physics apply to them, yeah.

Same goes for foxy, he's frightening, but without the 'I touch you, you die' part, since you'd still have to slow them then hope that you can kill them with sword/gun. You'd think a murderous fruit hunter like BB would chase some of these. As for why, some may not be cataloged thus known about, others well guarded (or in the hands of someone competent). Dunno what it would do for WG if people catch on to a collection of fruit users being randomly murdered. The real questions are why the WG haven't been fruit collecting for hundreds of years (if they've been around for 800+ years, we don't know since we never saw them in skypeia flashback), creating a strict monopoly of them.

did you even read the manga describing how different types of devil fruits work?

Who even cares about shitty manga for literal kids?

>akainu magma being hotter than fire
fire doesn't have a unified celcius number, dum dum - it can be a feeble match's fire to blazing hot plazma tens of millions of degrees hot
>kizaru not making island sized craters everything he attacks
why? he's marine and supposed to protect and not destroy
>luffy's powers should be easily telegraphed
what

magma is liquid rock, plasma is the Sun type teir shit.

it's easier to keep devil fruit users in check and disallow their powers to dissipate for some other free pirate to get it after their deaths.

It's not hotter, it's just that throwing 'fire' at magma just makes the rock more liquid, like a 'what the fuck did you think would happen' type of thing. You could also say that the magma smothers ace's fire. Fire cannot 'damage' magma, only make it stronger? We don't know how hot 'fire' can get, so can it get high enough to vaporize rock? At least within the cartoon logic of OP (so far), no.

>liquid rock
how do you suppose it got that way? by staying still for a very long time? or from heat?
>plasma is the Sun type tier shit
no, it's just a very hot spot of gases, superheated. you can make plasma in your microwave.

marines have there assortment of bad eggs. its not surprising some abuse their power.

read what he says about "liquid rock" here I think he doesn't know how thermodynamics work at all

because it can literally spawn anywhere in the world after users' death. so instead of killing them, why not having them as one of your comrades, and keeping them safe?

>how do you suppose it got that way? by staying still for a very long time? or from heat?
from intense heat of the earth's core. There is a reason why when cooled the magma turns into landmass.

>plasma in your microwave.
since when? your microwave would melt if it did.

>from intense heat of the earth's core. There is a reason why when cooled the magma turns into landmass.
yeah, that's right, kiddo! heat! you get it!
>since when? your microwave would melt if it did.
no, it wouldn't. plasma is an area of ionized gas, some of its particles are charged, some not. you can keep it in a fucking glass ball. learn some thermodynamics, kid. it's not that hard.

well none the less the reason his fire was weaker was because Akainu was simply stronger. Haki could have been coated or simply having molten rock smother fire is a thing too.

it's not the problem of "fire being weaker" but Akainu also being a logia, so the normal paramecia vs logia problematics disappear, and sheer power remains. it was a fight of dice and akainu had more of them, so Ace lost. simple math, dude.

And? You do know for fire to be a thing it needs oxygen right? Being smothered by molten rock can have that affect, its also why you dont see the surface of magma on fire.
On terms of plasma, you need to get what type of glass you are using because your common microwave isnt made of specialized glass.

I don't disagree that he lost. I dont know why you are getting so heated in the first place. But the fact remains that ace was a logia as well and so was akainu and akainu had the better fruit.

I agree they're broken. But each logia fight was to serve a purpose. Croc shows us you can find things in the world to be a logia's counter (water/fluid applied) and enel is fruit superiority. Making the admirals all logia is just there to reinforce they're the high end fruit and that the marines are not pushovers.

are you actually retarded? to keep a fire going you need oxygen for oxidizing, not heating. you can melt steel in space just by getting it too close to the sun and it wouldn't burn.
and on plasma AND microwaves - firstly, there's no need for a special glass. it's just a normal glass with some insulation and grounding so you won't get shocked. and secondly: microwaves literally need to have "specialized" glass that is literally only made for microwaves, because of, you know - the microwaves.
go back to school, kid. learn.

We've seen time and time again that CoA doesn't give you a free pass on getting cut/bit. Seaking bite strength > shanks CoA (even if he had it at the time/was yonkou, I assume he was).

Special glass? You mean the XXX pattern in the glass? That's what breaks the microwaves up to stop them roasting you.

First reread my post, since i said nothing about burning and next you are you are thinking of electricity not plasma and microwaves use microwave radiation not plasma. And if you are talking about plasma that gives off gaseous heat then you do need a specialized glass because normal glass would melt. You know how glass is even made?
I dont know why you are sperging all over this, Fire has always been a form of Gas not plasma and magma had always been moltern rock.

It’s literally shown: a falcon statue emerges from the sand, a falcon statue then magically explodes.
Life replacement tokens are in many shonen and also dungeons and dragons.
Oda DREW it assuming you were not stupid as fuck. He DREW the falcon statue magically rising out of the sand, right before the big bomb goes off.
You need to read slow.

Ace didn’t lose a 1v1 fight. He started one and Akainu decided to change to an easier target.
Akainu was not really a better fighter than Ace, his devil fruit just overruled Ace’s, which was outside Ace (and everyone’s) expectation until after it happened.
Ace would have beat Akainu like Luffy beat Katakuri.