So it's true. There really aren't any good isekai

Out of every character Subaru meets, only Rem wants his dick.
She kills him multiple times too before that point.

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>harem
>only one girl falls for him later on
>the girl he's after thinks he's a creep
Why don't you try watching it user.

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What would re:zero be like if the genders of everyone was reversed? Would Subaru be more or less annoying?

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Isn't Fuushigi Yuugi and Kyou Kara Maoh also isekai?

I tried watching kyou kara maoh and it was so boring i couldnt continue. There was no reason to care about any of the characters or events at all.

For what it's worth, Grimgar was actually pretty decent. I also remember .hack//sign being fun, but it has been almost a decade since I've watched it so I could be full of shit. Maybe we'll get something interesting when the industry shifts to the next big fad. Right now it's just too easy to print money by following the same basic formula with a minor tweak for flavor.

Re:Zero is the best isekai from a narrative standpoint, though. Biggest middle finger to insertfags in the genre.

>get isekai'd
>high fantasy
>cute heroine
>OP ability
>comfy life in a mansion
>cute maids to join your harem

Nah Subaru is a whiny little bitch who doesn't' realize just how good he has it.

Try the Ln. The characters, espevially Wolfram and Yuri ate different from their anime counterparts. The anime pretty much butchered Wolfram's characterization and made him a joke.

>gets to experience gruesome deaths time and time again
>fate is always fucking with him
>he is weak as fuck and gets curbstomped by almost everyone if he's by himself
>using the authorities eat aways his SAN points little by little
Fuck that shit.

>There really aren't any good isekai.
read alice in wonderland

>comfy life in a mansion
>cute maids to join your harem

You quite clearly haven't progressed past ep 4. You're so damn wrong. Subaru gets Berserk Eclipse-level suffering on his plate.

No he doesn't.

I see an user who hasn't watch the whole Mansion arc and spouting shits out of his ass.

>Digimon

Keep watching, there is no stop to the suffering in this show.

Only respectable moment to drop Re:Zero is at that retarded episode with the stupid princess contest introduction and him going supreme gentlemen at the end.

Arc 3 is borderline torture porn. Guts has it shittier because he can't change anything after it happens, Subaru can at least RbD but the poor fuck has to go through all this shit while powerless in a very short amount of time.

Fuck off Kazuma

Subaru would be just as annoying, but she would have an army of white knights saying she's perfect. No one would really care about Rem and Ram except maybe fujo would would gay incest ship them twice as hard, absolutely no one would give a fuck about Emilio, and Otto/Reinhard would immediately become best girls, Ferris would become tolerable but lack meme trap potential.

>Disliking cute boys
Go to hell.

SIGN is a classic case of a series that had enough content for one cour but was stretched into two.

It's not bad, but it's not good either except as a sleeping aid.

Real suffering begins at Arc 3 and until now it hit its peak at Arc 4 (Webnovel)
Arc 1 and Arc 2 are introductory arcs with some edge thrown into the mix

>aren't any good isekai.
keep telling yourself that.

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In arc 6 despair is on full throttle
The highest kill count of Subaru on the series.

>most of the people in the mansion literally kill subaru
>harem

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>Emilia - No
>Puck - Yes x 3
>Betty - No
>Rem - Yes x 1
>Ram - Yes x 1
>Roswaal - Indirectly and Attempted x A bunch
It checks out

Actually thinking about it, has Betty ever killed anyone? She sort of 'killed' Elsa, but that doesn't stick, same for trying to mess with archbishops. Maybe she killed some critters, but that's a lot of shit talking for a loli with no body count.

Subaru's "comfy" life comes with heavy sufferings not found in your typical wish-fullfilment isekai anime.

youtube.com/watch?v=ec1cJ6O5JGE

Its a requisite to befriend Subaru to at least hurt him one time.

Betty's too kind hearted to hurt anyone, despite the false front she puts out.

>By Episode 4 he's frolicking in a mansion surrounded by his harem.
A dog kills him
Rem kills him
Ram kills him
He kills himself
He gets cursed to fuck and breaks his magic asshole, those curses are permanent and exploitable
Within two months he dies a bunch more times, Rem is permanently incapacitated, the mansion is burned down and he finds out he's working for a complete asshole. But he gets a loli out of it, so I guess his life is peachy.

Keep watching, he consistently cocks up everything good he has going for him and the only reason the season doesn't end on a downer is because they didn't know they'd be getting a second one.

Oh and the loli is basically his replacement magic asshole and if he stays away from her too long he'll explode.

He also gets one invisible hand with shit range.

>>Emilia - No
>"I'm definitely gonna kill yoooooooooooooooou!"
Kek.

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>he consistently cocks up everything good he has going for him
I swear the royal selection devastated people's memory or something. Because that was literally 1 time.

>I swear the royal selection devastated people's memory or something. Because that was literally 1 time.
And some people liked him for doing that

Get out of here with your shitty Japanese fanfiction.

Do you have any proof to back up your claim of it being fanfiction?

ncode.syosetu.com/n2267be/138/
Is this not a genuine article written by Tappei Nagatsuki? If it is not I'd like to see the real Tappei's profile page and the real WN.

The series never picks up from the first 3 episodes. It all goes downhill from there.

Genderswapped Ferris would be absolutely loved by tomboy appreciators.

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The dude makes numerous mistakes and is generally an idiot, not in an endearing way. He just has the ability to eventually set things right. I don't think that undoes the audience's impression of him.

Dude, just stop sperging about Japanese fanfiction. It's not a good look.

She wouldn't be a tomboy though, she'd be a mildly trolly, girly healslut.

This is Japanese Fanfiction.

This ncode.syosetu.com/n2267be/138/ and are not.

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Care to explain? I'm curious how he consistently messes up things going good for him in a way that's his fault and not something stupid like not anticipating being killed in arc 2. Because I generally see hivemindfags make the claim, make vague statements, and then fuck off when told to bring up examples outside the event in arc 3. Which is why I feel
>the royal selection devastated people's memory or something.

Would I be correct in asssuming Rem has a cock there?

>.hack//sign
>fun
I like.hack, but fun is not an adjective I would use to describe it

Yes.

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He doesn't make errors quite as egregious as the royal selection, but he constantly looks over things at his disposal because he's being an idiot one way or another. Arc 4 he tries to do everything himself and so dies a lot more than needed because he's ignoring that he still has allies even without Rem, things like that. That and his attitude towards Emilia which hurts him through arcs 4 and 5.

Not that user. He unintentionally trips Rem the first time with the "fanatical like a demon" line, probably giving her reason to believe he knows about the oni village. That + smells like witch + trying to gain their trust + walking around at night -> witch cult assassin.
Same deal in the third loop, but he manages to trip Ram with the ogre story, making her believe he knows about the village. Rem might've overheard, which lead to the same conditions as before + looking at the mansion -> witch cult assassin.

>He unintentionally trips Rem the first time with the "fanatical like a demon" line
First time he died from the dog bite user

Is that how it is in the WN because neither of those were the cause of his being killed in those timelines

I don't remember that in the LN either. It's the beauty of anime where pretty much everything is left up to interpretation

Neither of those things is particularly why he dies, they're just kind of hints that Rem and Ram aren't actually humans, and it humanizes them a bit both to the audience and to Subaru so he can come to the realization that they aren't just scary murder maids and there's something he doesn't know about going on so they're worth saving.

>12 kingdoms
>utawarerumono

What? No, first time he just woke up after looping back to day 1 because he was killed in his sleep and didnt even know why. The rest of the mansion arc was figuring out how he was being killed and trying to change it.

>No, first time he just woke up after looping back to day 1 because he was killed in his sleep and didnt even know why.
What? That's the result of the curse, you know, the thing put on him by the dog biting him, because that's how the wulgarm work. user is correct, he died to Meili/the dog in loop one, I'm not sure how you missed that.

that's hot, the fact that you're a faggot doesn't make it bad, faggot.

Dude he died to the curse in loops 1 and 2(ish)

Replying to my own post for clarity, the first time I know he dies from the dog. I merely speculate why they turn on him in loops 2 and 3. It's not written why in the LN, so speculation is all there is. There's more to them turning on him than just the smell because they help him in loop 4 when he didn't get to do suspicious shit that triggers them. I guess the assassin idea gets dropped since he freaks out on them immediately after waking up, which would be pretty damn stupid if he were an actual assassin. His friendly demeanor towards them makes them think he knows about the village and he's there to finish the job. My 2 cents.

>It's not written why in the LN, so speculation is all there is.
He smells like a witch cultist, that's it. In loop 2 he starts to die and Rem in a fit of anger that's sort of complicated takes him out. Notably, he is heading towards Emilia's room, which is what Rem always would have expected a witch cultist to to which is why she's standing guard near there. This is explicit. In loop 3 he still smells like a witch cultist and says he's going to do one thing, but then sneaks off when he thinks he isn't being followed (he is) and overlooks the mansion with a weapon, so Rem tries to take him out. When it's clear he's actually just kind of an idiot that has tripped a bunch of shit inadvertently Ram kills him to prevent Rem from coming to that conclusion.
Loop 4 he still smells like shit, but because he behaves so pathetically Rem and Ram have nothing to go on for trying to take him out. Loop 5 he's suspicious but he knows they think of that way so he does things to try and prove he can be trusted.

Smelling like shit is a big factor, but not the only one that turns them to aggression. Yeah, in loop 4 he didn't give them enough suspicion to get them berserk. I don't think gaining their trust is enough to prevent them from maiming him and I guess Rem would've "accidentally" balled him in the forest if Emilia hadn't vouched for him. Which is why "fanatical like a demon" doesn't trigger her later on and she decides to trust him a bit and not go for the assumption that he's a witch cultist that knows of their village.

Also Rem doesn't overhear the Red Oni/Blue Oni story and it's not at all relevant to why either of them do what they do in loop 3. As for why Ram tells him not to tell Rem about it because it would upset her, it's a story about a Red Oni and a Blue Oni parting ways forever and one of them losing their horns.

>I guess Rem would've "accidentally" balled him in the forest if Emilia hadn't vouched for him.
No. He needs to gain their trust, yes, but Ram knows Subaru is relevant to whatever Roswaal wants and somewhat keeps her sister in check, in order to not get murdered Subaru just needs to avoid doing something blatantly suspicious, like trying to sneak into Emilia's room at night. Now that wouldn't make either of them like him, they would just tolerate him because he's needed for some reason, which is why his 'fanatical like a demon' line helps because it warms the cockles of Rem's frozen little heart. Once he's helping Rem, Ram is more willing to tolerate him or put an uneasy trust in him.

based rem autist shitposter.

>why they turn on him in loops 2 and 3
In addition to all that other stuff, it's because he's acting like their bestest best friends and knowing things about them he shouldn't when he's a complete stranger and it's unbelievably fucking unsettling.

Just imagine some kid you've never met comes up to you like he's known you for years and just fucking memes at you like Subaru does. He knows your name and preferences and where everything in your house is located without asking. Also you work in Secret Service and he wants to fuck the president? The analogy kinda broke down but my point is that Subaru is intensely punchable until you get to know him and the twins had their gotten-to-know-him erased from the timeline

They seem to somewhat tolerate him memeing at them, unless he's memeing to Rem about Ram being useless, which she does not appreciate. But if you know where they keep the flower vases, so help you god.

S2 when? It's supposed to be this year, right?

>harem
Two girls do not a harem make.

Utawarerumono isn't isekai, if anything is time travel

next year i think. And people call anything where more than one girl fall for the mc a harem.

Rem was already glaring at him pretty badly for the broken vase thing. It's almost as if he had an outline of the mansion given to him by someone else and he tried cleaning up fast in order to impress Rem. Without Emilia's vouching, I'm sure Rem would've been much less willing to trust Subaru, even if Ram had tried to hold her back. After all, she went rogue behind Ram's back in loop 3. "Fanatical like a demon" isn't bad by itself, it's the context and the buddy-buddy way he interacts with her that really, really tick her off.

>"Fanatical like a demon" isn't bad by itself, it's the context and the buddy-buddy way he interacts with her that really, really tick her off.
It's not bad at all dumbass, it's a line she actually, genuinely likes. Because he's cute, and she's a romantic, she wants to like him, but he smells like shit and then does other weird things that piss her off and she goes aggro. 'Fanatical like a demon' is in no way part of any reason she takes any aggressive actions towards him, in fact, it's the kind of line that actually lets him try and befriend her, just not in that specific loop besides finding out it's a line she reacts with genuine positivity towards.

It's not about that. Subaru's a hikki that can barely form organic relationships and now he has to construct fake ones to replace the shared memories they lost? It makes perfect sense that he'd fail. Paranoid abused maids who double as security have every reason to pick up on subtle nonverbal cues and this guy is just reeking of wrongness on every level. No interaction with them would be natural and his every reaction had to be faked. He had to awkwardly reenact everything that happened the first time knowing everything was about to go wrong and he was about to die. He can't explain any of this to anyone. Of course they fucking hated him.

Re:Zero's one major strength is that Subaru can actually suffer the consequences of all the bullshit other protagonists have to get away with for the story to continue. And it pretty much carries the work.

>By Episode 4 he's frolicking in a mansion surrounded by his harem.
the most perfect description. this is also why i stopped watching the one with the shield.

>fanatical like a demon"
it never triggered her. In any loop

What fucking harem, does a girl saying "hi" means she craves for his cock now? Imagine interacting with multiple women means you have a harem.

thats like saying inuyasha not isekai but time travel. Same shit.

It's the demon part that is weird as fuck. He had no way to know she was an oni unless he scouted the mansion's inhabitants beforehand and fished for information. Think about this from her perspective, how does this stranger that comes out of nowhere and saves your boss know about your identity? How likely are you to believe he just guessed by coincidence?

Rule of thumb is that if the promotional art for a certain anime has several women and one male, it's going to be trash.

No its not, Inuyasha can be excused because they still technically travel to another world, but Utawarerumono is always earth but in the future

Or it could be clever clickbait because the stuff is actually good. Happened before with Bunny Girl Senpai.

Hell, I don't remember anything about this shit aside from the MC's name and the cool musketeer-like guy from when they fought a flying Moby Dick or something like that. Should I rewatch it?

The problem with this trope is that it suits itself well for "escapism", so most of it caters exactly to that: an audience of losers that want to vicariously experience their phantasy of their harem away from the dreads of this world. Leading itself to harems and bland characters made for self-insert.

N.G.N.L. broke tradition by making the male lead full of agency, eccentricity, charm, charisma, and definition so it's without most of the normal flaws of it and the harem is actually not obnoxious because it doesn't come out of nowhere. It's completely understandable that the literal king charming of the country has others swooning over him.

The man is so awesome that he wears his crown on his arm just to show how awesome he is — have you ever met met a man so awesome that he wears his crown on his arm instead of head?

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>Think about this from her perspective, how does this stranger that comes out of nowhere and saves your boss know about your identity?
He doesn't, and she doesn't think he does either.
>How likely are you to believe he just guessed by coincidence?
He didn't and she didn't think he did.
In no way does she hold suspicion of him for that, it genuinely makes her feel better that someone out there would appreciate what she is, even if he doesn't know the extent of what he's saying. Similarly Ram doesn't think he knows what she is just because he tells her a story about oni, he's very clearly clueless to what they are because if he at all knew he wouldn't be surprised by them being ridiculously strong. Additionally while they don't go out of their way to advertise what they are, they aren't hiding it either, it's not technically a secret and Roswaal is renowned for having demi-humans serve him.

>and the harem is actually not obnoxious because it doesn't come out of nowhere.
Yeah, like the member he literally mind controlled into being there that he abuses for not being gary stu smart like he is.

Still has a reason; that's the point.

Most Harems are annoying because the show first goes out of its way to establish that the m.c. is totally average and totally not super attractive to facilitate better self-insertion and then for no good reason 20 thousand suitors throw themselves at the m.c. with no explanation given why they would be so head over heels for the m.c.

If they actually made the m.c. do this with a mind control device it would be less obnoxious but it's practically a plot hole in this state.

The only sad part about this is him becoming a stupid faggot because he knows he can‘t escape the loop.
It‘s like 10 episodes wasted to this bullshit. Also why the fuck does she introduce herself as satella at the first meeting ffs

>Also why the fuck does she introduce herself as satella at the first meeting ffs
because she and puck didn't like him and wanted him to fuck off

>If they actually made the m.c. do this with a mind control device it would be less obnoxious but it's practically a plot hole in this state.
The only character that likes him romantically is Rem for very clearly explained and specific reasons. The next closest character to liking him is Petra who is infatuated for similar reasons, but she's a child. Satella is a weird case, but supposedly has reasons we aren't privy to yet because it's a plot spoiler. Emilia thinks he's a good kid (and also thinks he's 12)

>Also why the fuck does she introduce herself as satella at the first meeting ffs
Normally that's a good way to get people to fuck off, but it doesn't work on isekai'd memeboys.

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Just like MT :^)

Lotm

ISEKAI are awful, read my novel instead, is far better and it will be a big thing in few years
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Subaru did nothing wrong. Average Yea Forumsnons here would keep making mistakes likewise.

No, Subaru does a lot wrong. He might be excused for some of them, but the average user probably wouldn't make the same mistakes, they'd probably make different ones.

>average user probably wouldn't make the same mistakes, they'd probably make different ones
Yeah, I'd try to have sex with Elsa. Well, before she dies, of course.

I'm amazed he's so troubled by this.

I mean, he's got no reason to be. He fought, like, giant hellhounds less than two episodes before. There's no reason to have an existential crisis.

The only crisis he really should have is "Holy shit, do you know how many times I've died? AAAAAAAAAAA"

>He fought, like, giant hellhounds less than two episodes before.
That was two+ months of realtime and more like three for him, and he died in some awful ways since then. Also he was riding high on 'I beat hellhounds' until Emilia told him off and he got to play with the Whale and Uncle Pete.
>"Holy shit, do you know how many times I've died? AAAAAAAAAAA"
He can't say this.

Subaru is a Cunning individual, so he gets the basedboy pass

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I don't mean saying it, I mean just suffering a breakdown from dying repeatedly in so many hideous ways.

He did do that, it ended in twister so he stopped doing that. In arc 4 his body flat out gives up on him after a certain respawn though.

That thing on his head is merely pretending so it can kill him in his sleep or push him down stairs.

Isn't she cute? Such a nice little neck to wrap your hands around.

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This show started off alright with a decent time loop premise, introduced a handful of elements and plot concepts.

and then fucked off on all of them and went nowhere.

the point of a time loop show is to slowly master an environment that doesn't change where you only retain knowledge from previous attempts.

Subaru never fucking learns shit. He cries and fights everybody on everything and refuses to use basic reasoning skills to solve problems, he's literally retarded and obnoxious to watch him flail around in a sandbox where he has ultimate power.

most of the arcs are irrelevant garbage as well and they go nowhere.
The giant whale shit was about the point I started getting sick of watching this dumbass

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>The giant whale shit was about the point I started getting sick of watching this dumbass
>World with no oceans whatsoever
>Japanese kid comes over
>Somehow still finds a whale to kill

Kek

What's his endgame?

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>So it's true. There really aren't any good isekai.
Mushoku Tensei

Imagine introducing yourself as hitler because you wanted to be left alone that shit doesn't make sense

It does in Emilia's case. She looks exactly like Satella.

Sooo how crazy is the webnovel until now compared to the shit that happened in the anime?

It doesn’t matter because the LN censored it

If you were Charlie Chaplin it might

Overlord, tate no yuisha, slime, .....

Rem killed him twice actually, though it was more just finishing him off when he was already a goner.

Oh are we listing isekais that ultimately disappointed us?
allow me to continue
Okasan online, no game no life, how to not summon a demon lord...

No she didn’t retard

How do you even get disappointed by Okaa-san online? Like what did you expect out of it?

How did she not? She killed him the second time he was dying from the curse and then she killed him during the time she was chasing him in the woods.

... watch closer next time retard

Now i know youre just a secondary. Go read the novel.

>...
And fuck off back to r*ddit.

>Rem killed him in the forest
>go read the novels
Fucking speedreader. Go watch/read that scene again. Ram was the one who slit his throat

She only killed him once you stupid fuck. She never killed him in the forest. It was Ram who killed him with her magic.

I read the novels. You couldn’t even manage to watch the anime.

>This started promising with a time loop twist.
Yeah! Finally, an anime I can suck my dick to!
>By Episode 4 he's frolicking in a mansion surrounded by his harem.
dudebro what

Literally me watching zero

Ram is always the one to kill him there, in any format. When she cuts his cheek during loop 4 he even flashes back to that scene because he realizes whose magic actually killed him there. When listing off who has killed him how many times he credits each twin with a single death.

RemChads finna take you all the way to Copetown

Technically the kill credit goes to both for Loop 3. Ya don't judge a murder with multiple participants solely on who dealt the killing blow, aye?

Rem wasn’t going to kill him. She was going to torture him.

She thinks he's a good boy and doesn't want to see him getting hurt, so she calls himself Hitler so he can fuck off and go on with his life because as we see in the series, everything goes to shit around her. She fails, she gets embarrassed when she says she's a half-elf and Mr. Supreme Gentleman thinks that's cute. It's why she says she'll apologize if he gets her insignia in the first loop.

Please give it a chance user. It's the only good Isekai I've watched and by that I mean it's fucking amazing. Things only get better from ep. 4

Throwing a ball to his face that he barely caught with his jacket doesn't count as "not killing him". She wanted to torture him for info. And then obviously kill him when that's done. This time he was even more suspicious than the second loop and that was murder, yes?

>This time he was even more suspicious than the second loop and that was murder, yes?
It depends on what he says, Ram kills him the moment he says anything that would shake Rem's resolve. If Rem knew she killed or was torturing someone for the wrong reasons it would scar her, so Ram ends it so she never gets to find anything like that out and just assumes Ram is being 'nice'.
As far as Subaru is concerned it's one each. He's not crediting Emilia with all the kills Puck gets for her stupid deadman's switch contract.

>Ya don't judge a murder with multiple participants solely on who dealt the killing blow, aye?
Depends on the legal system, and in this case the legal system regarding a completely unknown person killed for suspicion of being a Witch Cultist (A killin' on sight offence) by Margrave Roswaal, the strongest mage in the land, with punishment dealt out by his maids, whose unique talents previously saved the captial city from witch cultists some years back probably counts as 'not murder'

*furiously taps glabella*

Also you can't really prove what Rem was going to do, because Ram was acting independently of her knowledge and Ram was the actual killer for all you know Rem was just going to say 'just a prank bro' and let him go. You can get mad at her for torturing him or whatever, or maybe consider her an accessory to the murder that occurs for providing the situation, but it'd be hard to pin actual murder on her.
And in magic fantasy land they probably don't give a shit anyway, Rem apparently feels legally safe to straight up kill people in the captial if they look thug-y enough.

>It depends on what he says, Ram kills him the moment he says anything that would shake Rem's resolve. If Rem knew she killed or was torturing someone for the wrong reasons it would scar her, so Ram ends it so she never gets to find anything like that out and just assumes Ram is being 'nice'.
I get that point, but then why did Ram slice his leg off? Surely there are better ways to immobilize someone and extract information from them without risking fatally injuring them. Hell, it seems like Ram was watching Rem the entire time and she was supposed to reign her in, not let her kill the supposed infiltrator before they could even extract information from him (the chain ball that he barely caught with his jacket would've surely turned his brain into paste)

>(the chain ball that he barely caught with his jacket would've surely turned his brain into paste)
Witch cultists are (sometimes) stronger than that, and she's operating on him being a witch cult assassin, probably the stinkiest cultist she'd ever met.
>I get that point, but then why did Ram slice his leg off?
This part is a bit weird, to my knowledge in the WN/maybe LN Rem is the one who flails his leg off, which makes more sense. If Ram did it, Rem should know that she's there, which when she's tossing the knife away she thinks she's alone.
>Surely there are better ways to immobilize someone and extract information from them without risking fatally injuring them
She can heal such an injury, which she does, so she's not concerned about that. You could bleed out relatively fast from having your leg severed, but it's not instant, and a while a head injury from falling could do it (or make him useless), she's again assuming that she's dealing with a spooky witch cultist, who are stronger than normal humans by quite a lot, and that normal humans in this world are actually pretty relatively strong (even Otto is physically stronger than Subaru)
>Hell, it seems like Ram was watching Rem the entire time and she was supposed to reign her in, not let her kill the supposed infiltrator before they could even extract information from him
Ram doesn't care, she's almost certainly just watching her sister's back. Since Roswaal didn't say to stop she's letting her little sister do what do but keeping an eye out in case he's one of those spooky cultists that plant mines or release anti-oni gas. He basically acted suspicious, so Ram has no reason to assume he isn't until Rem tortures him and it's pretty clear he's clueless, but Rem doesn't pick up on most of that because she doesn't understand and she's pissed as fuck, while the calmer Ram gets it and kills him before he can convey that to Rem and make her feel really bad.

>Also you can't really prove what Rem was going to do
Not him but when Subaru was sitting on that cliff the chain ball that Rem throw was heading straight towards his face. If he didn't dodge it he would have been killed for sure. In fact he barely manages to dodge the ball as you can see that it scratched his cheek. Later when he's down in the forest Rem throws the chain ball a second time towards him but he manages again to dodge it and catch it with his jacket. While it's possible that the second throw wouldn't have instant killed him, it would have nonetheless seriously maimed him so much that he couldn't even be capable of being interrogated. Therefore it's clear that Rem's original plan was to just murder him and the idea of interrogating him only entered her brain after Subaru find out that Rem was behind the assault.

Fuck you this is a masterpiece

You're working on the knowledge that he's just a normal guy, which he is. She's working under the assumption that he's a witch addled psycho cultist with super strength and super powers. She clips him because the opportunity presents itself and then she can get information, but that's really secondary to 'kill the witch cultist'
But once she's at the torture step you can't really prove what she's planning there or how the results will end up, and you won't find out because Ram cuts it short.

>WN/maybe LN
I can't find a copy of the manga to check, but I believe in the arc 2 manga his leg gets flailed off as well, which makes more sense.

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>witch addled psycho cultist with super strength and super powers
Can witch cultists survive metal balls squashing their brains with incredible force?
>She clips him because the opportunity presents itself and then she can get information, but that's really secondary to 'kill the witch cultist'
Then you agree with me that Rem's primary goal is to kill Subaru. Well good for you but I've seen a lot of Remfags that claim that Rem never intended to kill Subaru and only wanted to interrogate him.

But let's say that Rem truly believes that Subaru is a really powerful witch cultist that can survive metal chain balls to the face. Why does she go alone? Is she retarded? Normally when there's a very dangerous man that needs to be detained or killed you gather a posse and then go after him. Else there's the possibility that you'll get killed and the assailant will escape. If Subaru wanted he could have stabbed and killed Rem when she was blinded by the flash from the phone.

Why did he goes full supreme gentleman during the royal selection? I always thought it was weird that he suddenly spergs out. I know he's weird but that was too sudden.

>first quote
It wasn't a warning shot. He barely manages to dodge the first time and the second he catches the ball with his jacket. Her intent was clearly to kill, then turned into interrogation and torture when he was immobilized.
>second quote
It's Ram. He realizes it in the next episode when she leaves a small cut on his cheek with wind magic and he recalls how his foot was sliced off in the previous loop.
>third quote
Ram might as well have cut a tree in his path to block him off. Rem must've definitely known Ram was there once his leg was sliced off.
>fourth quote
That's actually a good point. But I dunno what Roswaal's thinking. I know from Arc 4 that the dude knows much more than he lets out. It's not in his interests to off Subaru, he needs Subaru and by extension Ram must keep a close watch on him, not let him get killed by Rem.

The only reason these incompetent fuckbags are even alive is because of your actions.
Nobody truly realises this though, so the praise you get is minimal.
You'd get pissed off with being treated like a clown too, when Elftits here can't go a day without Bigtits the Assassin introducing her internal organs to the floorboards.

>Can witch cultists survive metal balls squashing their brains with incredible force?
Yeah? Or if nothing else, they're capable of blocking or dodging them, potentially anyway.
>Why does she go alone? Is she retarded?
Yes. Did you miss the entire part where she's incredibly self-depreciating and runs off to fight an entire army of dogs by herself because Subaru got cursed by them? To her, this is her job and she's the one who needs to do it without involving anyone else for several reasons listed below.
>Normally when there's a very dangerous man that needs to be detained or killed you gather a posse and then go after him.
She has Roswaal, her employer, who she considers herself to act on the behalf of and who is too high a paygrade to deal with shitty cultists. Additionally, this is her task she's expected to be able to carry out personally, as per their previous arrangements. Ram, her sister, who she wants to keep as far away from cultists as possible. Betty, who won't leave the library even if she could find her. And Emilia, who is to be protected from Witch Cultists at all costs.
> If Subaru wanted he could have stabbed and killed Rem
She specifically addressed that it would hurt her and he'd get farther away, she's not really concerned about the tiny knife given that she still has trump cards to play.

Accumulated trauma from all of the deaths at the mansion + inflated ego from his successes makes him think he's hot shit and can talk down to anyone because he has RbD and can fix anything by himself. He wants to look cool in front of Emilia and he can't read the mood. It's understandable why he spergs out on Emilia, given all the shit he went through for her sake, but there's no way she can possibly know all of that, so it's not her fault she doesn't understand. And Subaru is too frustrated to get it that this will just hurt her and push her away. He's sperging like he did in the forest with Rem when she thought he was a cultist and why Rem and Ram and everyone else forget about him and leave him behind. Basically one lap pillow doesn't chill all the shit he's seen.

>It wasn't a warning shot.
I didn't say it was a warning shot. It's a 'testing the waters' shot. If it kills him, fantastic, but she's working off of the assumption that he's a super powered loony, so taking serious aim at him is the only reasonable thing to do. You don't take warning shots at incredibly dangerous people, but you also need to be prepared in case those incredibly dangerous people can defend themselves.
>It's Ram. He realizes it in the next episode when she leaves a small cut on his cheek with wind magic and he recalls how his foot was sliced off in the previous loop.
No, he flashes back to his throat being slit. Who cut his leg off is never addressed, but based on it being wind magic in the anime it had to be Ram. The issue here is that in every other form of media, it gets knocked off by a flail, so Rem clearly did it, which flows better with what Rem says next. Ram is also supposed to have a silver wand which is made out of the remnants of her horn and acts as a focus for her magic, but for some inexplicable reason she doesn't have it at all in the anime.
>Rem must've definitely known Ram was there once his leg was sliced off.
She doesn't. She says she wants to resolve this before anyone notices when tossing the knife aside and healing him. It's an error in the anime, she should know she's being watched but she appears to not. An alternate way to read everything she says is that she realizes that she's been found and she's maybe lamenting that, but since Ram is otherwise not stopping her then she is 110% justified and backed by her master in whatever she's doing.
>But I dunno what Roswaal's thinking
"Well the memeboy fucked up, this loop is shit, better just let whatever happens happen while I sulk and wait for him to reset this garbage"
If Subaru does anything that deviates from what Roswaal expects him to do, Roswaal throws in the towel and doesn't give a shit, assuming that the loop is fucked and Subaru will reset it at some point.

Rem is also not helping with this. They develop a sort of cute, but ultimately fairly unhealthy co-dependent relationship in the two months between arc 2 and 3 and he lets her hero talk go to his head without really paying attention to exactly what she's been saying and more or less treats her as a pet that coddles his ego. So he really let that stuff go to his head and when nobody besides Rem gives him credit for it he spergs out. He also was feeling double pressured from Al and Julius and was feeling sort of NTR because he's retarded, and was annoyed at people talking shit about his waifu. So he made an ass of himself on all fronts.

If that actually resonates with you you're new. That exact arc has been done better many, many times.

>No, he flashes back to his throat being slit. Who cut his leg off is never addressed, but based on it being wind magic in the anime it had to be Ram. The issue here is that in every other form of media, it gets knocked off by a flail, so Rem clearly did it, which flows better with what Rem says next. Ram is also supposed to have a silver wand which is made out of the remnants of her horn and acts as a focus for her magic, but for some inexplicable reason she doesn't have it at all in the anime.
>He whined as tears clouded his vision. His steps grew clumsy. Suddenly, the trees opened wide into a clearing; Subaru saw that night was creeping across the sky. Then— “—Ah?” A blade of extremely concentrated wind lashed out, slicing off Subaru’s right leg at the knee, sending it flying away. (LN 2)

>Yeah?
Well I remember Petelgeuse dying after he get cut in half with a sword (or at least his body died). Hmm maybe Pete wasn't as powerful as I thought even though he's an Archbishop.
>Yes.
Good that we agree on that then.
>runs off to fight an entire army of dogs by herself because Subaru got cursed by them
I would say though that at this point Rem was emotionally unstable because of the events that took place the previous night so that partly explains it. There's no excuse for going alone to kill Subaru though.
>too high a paygrade to deal with shitty cultists
>be able to carry out personally, as per their previous arrangements
Are these cultists really powerful or shitty? They are after Emilia so you would think the clown would care about that regardless of how much of a threat they pose. You yourself say that Emilia must be protected at all costs. Looks like the mansion has more than one retard. Or maybe Subaru doesn't look nearly as suspicious as Rem thinks
>she's not really concerned about the tiny knife
She believes that Subaru is a very powerful and dangerous cultist but she isn't concerned about what that powerful cultist might do with a knife to her neck?

Okay, so it's a change to the LN, but it's inexplicable, because, again, it makes what Rem says and how she behaves not make much sense as she acts like she's still alone, but she HAS to know Ram is there. It's not the first time the LN introduces a plot screw up by changing a random scene and then not changing the later scenes or events that reference it. And in either case, it's weird but relatively minor, because Ram knows her sister can heal such a wound so it doesn't matter if Ram or Rem inflicts it, he's still going down for torture time.

>Well I remember Petelgeuse dying after he get cut in half with a sword (or at least his body died). Hmm maybe Pete wasn't as powerful as I thought even though he's an Archbishop.
He didn't die. Pete is the spirit, he just jumps ship, that's what makes him dangerous. After he's out of jumps he continues to fight as a giant horrific shadow monster with no eyes, a cliff fell on him and he was basically cut in half.
>I would say though that at this point Rem was emotionally unstable
She's always emotionally unstable. That's the point, she looks calm but she isn't at all. Witch cultists are especially triggering to her. With how she's actually characterized it is borderline a plothole that she keeps it in her pants around Subaru for nearly a week. He should honestly wake up every loop chained in a dungeon.
>Are these cultists really powerful or shitty?
They're pretty powerful, and some of them border on ludicrous. Neither of these things of concern to Rem, who will die trying to kill them anyway, or Roswaal, who knows exactly how things are supposed to play out.
>She believes that Subaru is a very powerful and dangerous cultist but she isn't concerned about what that powerful cultist might do with a knife to her neck?
You literally watch her have every bone in her body, including her neck, broken by a guy whose hands can rend trees and tear a person in half. And no, he's not using the pussy hands there, she's an oni, she's much tougher than a normal person. As she stated, if he stabbed her she would be wounded, but it's not likely to be fatal. He's dangerous and she's not going to sit around playing for shits and giggles, but it's not like she thinks she can't win (although part of that is that she places almost no value on her life, so even against an archbishop she wasn't expecting to just lose until all her bones got twisted into funny shapes. Even completely out of juice against two archbishops she still attempts to go on the offensive)

>They are after Emilia so you would think the clown would care about that regardless of how much of a threat they pose
That's what the time resetting memeboy is for. Roswaal does in fact know he can do that and all his preparations are set up with the knowledge that a jackass will show up from another world with the ability to loop time somehow and he'll show up in X place on Y day. It's how he can hire Elza in advance to go fuck with Emilia even before Subaru arrives, he knows it will happen. He is powerful enough that he could fight all of Pete's guys and nuke the whale solo, but he makes himself scarce during all that because clown reasons, and he knows Subaru will figure it out.

Was that when he was eaten by the Hare? I vaguely remember him being so traumatized that when he respawned he fainted.

That was assrabbits, yes. His body simply refuses to move until Echidna drags him into her castle to let him catch up.

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This stupid retard faggot of the century is seriously making me mad.
Why the fuck is he still chasing after Emillia when then bonded like only a few times. Meanwhile Rem is by his side through and through and he still sees her as just a friend.

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>Rem is by his side through and through and he still sees her as just a friend.
Neither of these things is true, actually.

Is Arc 5 finally done being translated? I loved the fuck out of Arc 4 when I read it a few years ago but Arc 5 seems to have been in translation hell until recently and I want to read it all in one go.

I admit I don't know anything about oni physiology but I expect that a stab to the neck is going to seriously incapacitate an oni as it will probably cut main arteries.

Anyway this conversation has steered away from my main point which was that Rem's first plan was to kill Subaru and not interrogate him.

Rem and Ram's tits are too big (Ram's are way too big), Rem and Ram have their hair parted on the wrong sides. The colors of Rem and Ram's ribbons don't match like they do in the pic. Nipples are cool I guess.

Yes, Arc 5 has been fully translated by Witch Cult Translations. Arc 6 has translation until chapter 21 and has a few gaps from there until 34. 34 to 69 has a few gaps. Tappei has been releasing new chapters since a month or so ago.

>Rem's first plan was to kill Subaru and not interrogate him.
The only point of which is to say she's a murderer, which legally she certainly wouldn't be by the only laws that matter in the case.
>but I expect that a stab to the neck is going to seriously incapacitate an oni as it will probably cut main arteries.
Bro, she had several swords/knives sticking out of her torso, and that didn't kill her. She got one of her arms burnt and broken into uselessness and she still killed people with it. She had all her limbs twisted backwards and her head spun around and that still wasn't immediately fatal. As a child she was blown up several times and had a building fall on her and she still recovered from that. While getting her throat slit might kill her eventually, it's almost certainly not going to stop her from running up your ass, oni are ridiculously hard to kill. Even Ram, who is a cripple without their primary means of super power, is pretty damn hard to kill.

Why the fuck is Rem chasing after Subaru? Do think about it a bit and you'll find your answer for why Subaru chases after Emilia. It's remarkably similar. Their love interests are their heroes, people they admire and wish to emulate.

>wish to emulate.
Not this part. Unless emulate means 'fuck' to you.

I mean, yes. He's a guy. He wants to smash, too. I mean that he wants to save Ram and Rem in the mansion arc and he generally tries to be a nicer person (debatable, he fucks up royally later) and that's because he's impressed by Emilia and wants to follow her example. It's explicitly stated in the LN when he goes to rescue the last girl from the dogs and sees her alone, pondering if it's a trap.
>His rational mind pleaded for him to play the sure hand and wait for Rem.
And yet…
>—Emilia wouldn’t hesitate.
>The instant he thought it, Subaru’s legs stopped shaking. His pulse,
quickened by the decision pressing upon him, calmed along with his ragged
breath.

Fuck my formatting. It's all a quote from LN 3.

I imagine that a cultist wouldn't just stab her neck once. He would continuously stab her neck to the point that I doubt Rem could do anything. Oni or not multiple stabs to the neck are bad news.

pleb filter
Episode 4 is when the show gets good

Theres plenty of good isekai, its just all made in the west.

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I imagine Rem doesn't just stand there stupidly getting stabbed in the neck for hours, especially since she can weaponize blood, either her's or someone else's. I'm not sure why you think a camera flash that gives you exactly one moment to do something would let you sit there stabbing a belligerent combatant as much as you want, especially since the second you do that she's going to chimp out on you and get way, way stronger and faster and regenerate.

Or you know the cultist could just decapitate her since he's so powerful. What is she gonna do then?

This.

I'm on episode 8 and enjoying it a lot more than I expected.

It's the lap pillow, isn't it?

They're not the same at all you autist. You might as well say any anime with a single joke in it is a comedy anime. Steins;Gate, Inuyasha and SAO are all not isekai.
If this is a bad isekai list, there's a ton more to add.

Cope.

Remfag wants his dick sucked by subservient maid 'cause that's all he sees in Rem, even though she's the one to turn down Subaru 'cause she wants to be cucked

I'm at about Ep11
>Subaru talks shit to knights
>gets rekt
>knight who rekt Subaru boasts (off screen) how much of a badass he is by beating up an untrained kid

It seems that when he's trying to get lovey dovey with Emilia shit goes wrong and that he should focus on the mystery of his sudden appearance in this new world

Knight is a tsundere and wanted to beat his meat instead

To sell appas.

>posts no examples
Typical

>bonding with someone who killed you several times

The knight was doing it for Subaru's sake. Subaru should have been executed for all the shit he said , but by shaming him in front of everyone it makes so that everyone let it slide since he got punished already.

To be fair, she was psychotic and scared of him and he understood that. She did a 180 and ain't gonna let loose like that on anyone. Hell, given her yandere status you'd think she'd give Emilia a ball to the face, but she actually steps aside to let Subaru do what he wants.

If he were executed he would have thought of something better then pissing off a legion of knights

It is not like they know he can loop when he dies.

I mean, it'd work.
>hi there, cutie, what's your name?
>it's ADOLF HITLER
>alright, geez, I get it
It's not emilia's fault she ran into the only guy who'd just go
>Wow, that's a pretty name!

>Episode 4
>His Harem

Oh you mean the one with the girl that owes him a favor, the girl who doesn't like him cuz he's a sketchy slant and the girl who fucking hates him for smelling like a witch? Epic. Even at the end of the show the only girl who actually likes him is Rem you fucktard. Red rem still thinks he's a dipshit and emilia just thinks he's a nice guy, loli bitch gives no fucks, reinhardt whisks her away to dick her

Mushoku Tensei
Youjo Senki
Overlord
Grimgar

The knight actually saved subaru by doing that (more or less). The rest of the knights would have lynched subaru in an alley. Subaru apologizes, they become bros later, it all works out