Lord El-Melloi II Sei no Jikenbo: Rail Zeppelin Grace Note

It's just a generic manga ad, not much to it.

Ha ha, time for more Olga suffering!

OP

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It has a nice song though, and it probably will never be released in any form.

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Olga's crying face satisfies me for some reason.

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Does Olga join Waver's unwanted class/harem? Does she want to fuck him?

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Liongo on babysitting duty.

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Why do all the girls always invite Waver to their bedroom?

They want the Great Big Ben London Star.

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Hey, those 2 knuckleheads joined up with them

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Muscular back.

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Marisbury > Olga

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unf

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...whydunnit..

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Eyeballs.

Harem+1

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Waver adding to his debt.

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Did Waver just get kabe-don'd by somebody not DUDE ?

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She looks really dumb here

Throwing away money.

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>The culprit is you!

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Of course they end the episode before the reveal.

Arthur Askey look alike there!

Hate this bitch, foul serpent!

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>You can't save Olga

Gray....for me!

What is she thinking in this moment?

bullying Olga!

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Lewdness.

恥ずかしい

whats buddha doing to that monkey

Why is Olga so bullyable?

交合形の仏像は、方便と般若（知恵）の和合を示すものです。知恵は尊く前に進むためのものはそれは方便と共にあってこそ機能します。方便なき知恵は時に人を傷つける刃としかならず、逆に知恵なき方便はその場をしのぐだけで根本の解決には至れません。方便と知恵は両輪なのです。

この交合形の仏像は、多くの天地の神々や陰陽の和合を示す像と同様に、そうしたひとつの真理を示すものです。そして同時にそれだけではなく、特に座位の和合尊はその螺髪の頭部が陰茎の先端を模した形状を持ち、邪知を退け、迷妄を払う効用をも持つとされます。

Of course Miwa tweeted an entire occultist explanation to the statue.

It's out.

how many episodes is this anime going to be

It just seems like the actual Rail Zeplin part is going to be finished soon, so I'm wondering if the case that comes right after will be adapted as well

Luvia is so hot. I hope she NTR's Rin.

I want to protect loli Olga. Also, sex in the missionary position.

Do you have better quality?

13 episodes.

That seems understandable with this pacing. Although I'm pretty sure leaving on the obvious sequel bait that will be episode 13 will piss off everyone

I want art of Lev and Adashino jointly bullying Olga!

Olga is made for bullying.

By my dick.

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No, she's kind of against them in the end of the novels.

Olga is the Tokiomi of children.

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Surely in a tsundere way, no?

No, they are in opposite factions and sides. There's a dramatic Reines and Olga walk in opposite directions illustrated page. Olga's an elitist cunt.

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>All this hundreds of millions
Is it supposed to show how absurdly rich migi are or nips cant make a differents between value of a уen and dollars?

She can be on opposing sides and still be tsundere. You know, as rivals or something. Everything I've seen and heard points to her being tsundere. Perhaps not romantic, but still.

Melvin did say something about that amount of money being enough to buy fighter jets, so probably just how rich the magi are

Pretty sure it's in USD or Euro.

>Faker was summoned by Doctor Heartless using the piece of Iskander's mantle that he stole from Lord El-Melloi II.
>Doctor Heartless is the former head of the Faculty of Modern Magecraft of the Clock Tower
So in the most amazing murder mystery ever they decided to bring out a character who had never been seen before as the culprit?
What is this trash?

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Spin-off series having exclusive characters? No h*cking way!

>everyone assumes that if your head is taken then you're dead
This really is magic Professor Layton.

You've never read a mystery novel, right?

Sexy old men

They explicitly foreshadowed Heartless in the anime though.

She wasn't tsundere in her final scene, but serious and cold.

They are in their 20s.

Not everyone's read/watched enough mysteries to realize that decapitation is a common feint.

Which volume/chapter that happened in?

I don't read moon-runes, care to explain?

Vol 10

HAHAHAHAHAHA that shit is hilarious

Is Luvia a jew? her family motto seems familar...

You know, based on his monologue about seeking thrills with a “nemesis” no matter how much money it costs him or how much mortal danger he has to get into, Darius III would be the perfect Servant for Melvin

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A cross-shaped Buddha is a convenient and sum-in. Wisdom is the thing that is for the noble forward, that works together with convenience. Inconvenient wisdom can sometimes become a sharp edge to hurt people, on the contrary, the convenience of no wisdom is simply to deal with the scene can not be fundamentally resolved.

Convenience and wisdom are two rings. This intersecting Buddha statue, like the Buddha statue that represents many heavens and earth, shows such a truth. At the same time, not only that, sitting and the head of the concoction also has the shape of imitating the tip of the penis, with the removal of evil knowledge, the removal of confusion.

JP > CN > EN autotranslate FYI

>finally got praise

She did it, bros. She finally did it!

>popukodoesn'tgetitatall.jpg
I see.

Damn. Translation is so behind.

Man, she looks like a totally different character without the drills

What a beautiful DUWANG

Heh, I capped this frame too.

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It's in USD in the book.

something tells me all of this was before FGO

You should've seen this coming. The entire story is basically
>shit happen
>pull a random magic theory
>there, i solve it.

It's basically the final boss reveal for the series. Rail Zeppelin is not a stand alone case at all. Heartless is not even stopped here.

Rail Zeppelin is basically a elaborate setup for the antagonist reveal. That's why people have been saying that if they don't adapt more than this is going to feel very weird, given the story ends in a cliffhanger.

I thought they were setting up to say adashino was the culprit based on the cliffhanger but it's just a literal who that has never showed up until now? I wanted to think this series was something that the viewer could figure out but it really seems a lot more like that one sherlock holmes shitpost instead.

It's an advertisement for the LN.

Yeah I guess given the pocket version is being published now.

They literally talked foreshadowed Heartless like 4 times in the anime. The guy in the sewer and Will's father having the same sponsor? The mysterious previous Head of Modern Magecraft? The stealing of the mantle being a inside job? The man without heart? What do you think it was all that?

It should be very suspicious how they are talking about someone who hasn't shown up yet. He is the Moriarty to Waver's Holmes. He was behind every case so far in one way or another.

Not only that but the sponsor being related to Rail Zeppelin. They made the plot-twist as subtle as a sledgehammer if you like to connect the dots a bit.

>literal who
Where you actually watching the anime?

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Adashino is basically just the magus version of an Ace Attorney prosecutor.

Didnt Adashino die in the castle which was the very first case?

She got better.

It was all according to keikaku.

At the epilogue of Adra it's revealed she made up her death with a fake body.

Adashino is directly related to everything. I mean she is Heartless sister as Luvia said.

I hate when this happens to me

Clay

I need this.

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>Hnngggh I-I can't hold it baaaaack~

GRAY
FOR
(ME)!
God bless Hisasi.

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Explain further

What attention span this people have?

>ARRR~! SHIVER ME TIMBERS! That's got my goose ticklin'!

this show feels too high IQ at times for me

This

I'm quite happy Liongo gets to be in something that isn't Apocrypha.

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>lewd statue diverts mystic eyes power
does that work for non-virgin magus above 12 year-old?

Yes.

>disinterested old woman with wrinkles and gray hair.jpg

so judging by the last scene, calues is the culprit?

Both

No it was me.

>A car is a gateway between the real world and the underworld
I think they explained this before but it's still so weird

Wasn't there supposed to be a Rainbow-class pair of mystic eyes for sale at the auction?

Miwa one of his magic explanations on twitter about that.

Yeah, but Trisha was the one who said that right?

Take it as the modernized version of a carriage or a wagon, or maybe a chariot.

Ok now please explain to me why carriages or wagons are a parallel to a bridge to the underworld

Yeah Miwa explained that in the past a boat also symbolized the ritual of passage. Which makes perfect sense.

Wheel of Fortune I guess.

Tsukihime reference?!
Troyca confirmed for bros!

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>The man without heart
I thought that was Kotomine on a business trip with Gil to England.

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Wow they are making Olga REALLY pathetic here.

she's like 12 and people keep waving the head of her dead nanny around

Olga's always been pathetic, bro.

Still pathetic. Even Rin has bigger ball than her as a younger child.

Extra pathetic here. Chaldea wouldn't survive if Olga remain as the director. Lev probably did more good offing her.

Man, Olga must be easy as fuck. No wonder Lev easily catch her.

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>Olga is into Lev because he reminded her of Waver
now i finally see

Did that one user finish updating the Clock Tower chart? Or did he really get killed when he announced he'd include composite colors?

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>Grey is so pure she almost puked seeing lewd thing
Best girl in the whole damn franchise.

Lev was still legit when that happened though. He only awakened as a pillar later.

I'm still working on it.

>hentai can throw off Mystic Eyes thanks to erotic absurdity

Weird.

Olga does a cool thing later, unless they cut that part here.

Bless you.

So that's what makes your weewee stand up, eh?

>puking_elf.jpg

I couldn't make heads or tails out of Miwa's tweet, but what I got from the episode itself is that the almost universal portrayal of sex as taboo that shouldn't be talked about openly allows it to have a power of diversion. Since it makes you avert your gaze or avoid the topic, it can be used to "deflect" magecraft. In this case, eye powers by having the object in sight, like how Mystic Eyes Killers work in a barrier way.

What?
I dont care about spoliers

In the very next scene Luvia said that the man without heart is a famous and very dangerous mage whose heart was stolen by fae and he has a sister inside the train. Unless Kotomine got a whole new lore here it was evident that wasn't about him.

Sorry, I meant when I first heard it that there was a man without a heart killing people, my first thought was of Kotomine. Of course Luvia quickly ruled that out.

Why are fairies so prominent in this series? I thought they all went to the Far Side and such

Why TM decided to exclude Faker from F/GO collab? With how they treat collab reruns she won't be in until 2021. I guess Luvia-Rin clashes have some potential in F/GO but they've been done to death in F/HA, F/UC, F/klPI and ufotable UBW.

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>FGO
fuck off

Because it's England

Lev kills himself most of the time too it seems in different timelines

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Also, fairies are relevant in this specific case because of this.

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In Kara no Kyoukai movies the God Word guy said that fairies was common on england or something like that.

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and that's because of

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Is there anywhere to read about the specifics of magic and supernatural shit in nasuverse? I honestly find myself getting really drawn into whenever Waver lectures in case files.

She does her chant (the one in the FGO Part 2 PV) and does a very strong Starlight Magic Bullet spell that basically looks like a weaponized meteor (or star beams) shower.

Btw, isn't it weird how in case files Waver stores the mantle in some super secure box in a magic room with barriers everywhere but in SF it's just some random cabinet in his cabinet?

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Case Files it's probably the one who goes more into it, but the Kara no Kyoukai novels also have a lot of flair into that kind of thing.

seething

So flashing one’s tits can potentially throw off an enemy’s Mystic Eyes?!

In the book it's still a lot less fancier than the super box shown in the anime.

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Taking down Heartless in spite of being his inferior in almost every respect was probably a huge “Don’t mess with me” sign to his fellow Mages. And in SF, the concept of HGWs has been cheapened to nigh worthlessness

Complete Material, Plus Disc and Dictionary Entries.
Though I think like half that stuff has been retconned by now

The whole foundations thing and the magic theory is still valid. Most of the other stuff was so vague that adding into it would lead to retcons one way or another.

>And in SF, the concept of HGWs has been cheapened to nigh worthlessness
What? It's basically vanilla FSN world, same as case files, just a few years later.

Now that I think about it the whole Heartless string of cases also happened in SF right? Well it makes sense given that every world where the Fourth Holy Grail happened has a Heartless being indirectly created due to it scenario.

Forget that Faker. I want my Jack/Flat Demi-Servant! Also maybe Richard.

That sounds cool and a lot like what Aoko does. But of course Aoko uses Astromancy too so that's a given.

Narita says "not until I've finished" aka never.

I'm sure he'll "finish it" like he "finished" Durarara.
I love that series but it's not much of an ending

if it's allegoric enough

This is just making the FGO pain worse. God dammit.

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Fucking HATE fgofags

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Maybe they will change up the canon a bit and she'll join the El Melloi class after these events

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>kemonomimi
what's up with the circus in the background

This sold almost 4k first week right? I can see it getting another low-mid budget season like this one.

Yaraon tried to spin it selling that as a failure given FGO sales, but FGO has never influenced the sales numbers of any Fate spin-off released since so it's just Yaraon going full tabloid like usual.

Foreshadowing future FGO stuff

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>support Cu Alter

Yikes

The future will not change, Olga shall burn regardless of the timeline

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>servants then vs servants now

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those are all servants featured in FGO.
the kemonomimi is Suzuka Gozen, a saber class servant.

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Chie’s Persona is cute. Cute! Just like her!

What did Wallachia mean with fragments of Zelretch's dreams? And why are dead apostles still one of the coolest things in Nasuverse

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They needed to save someone for the 4* rerun.

Obviously, but 2 years? It's not like other collabs as it promoted a soon to be aired anime. It'll be 2 years old in 2021 unless they announce another adaptation.

Well, it would be perfect for a case Grand Roll anime.

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Why is half the cast after Waver's dick? Can't they just let him pursue his bara daddy in peace?

>tall
>handsome
>brooding
He's just a walking chick magnet. Unfortunately for the ladies, he's pure for his one and only king.

God I want to fuck that faker.

With the info given in this episode, I would not be surprised if Trisha made that up to get an excuse to board the train and meet Karabo.

When! Will! It! Happen!

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>that pic
I'm dying

So why did Waver want to be in Fuyuki war 5 and not Apoc?

Astrea looks like crap compared to Isthar/Eresh sadly

He literally compared it to the price of a Picasso, some of which have gone for over a hundred million dollars.
That's just how fucking rich the people on this train are.

The 4th war never happened in Apoc's timeline.
He became Load El Melloi because "reasons"

He was too good a character for that shitshow. He deserved better.

I'm kinda confused over Waver's motivations. Sometimes I get the impression that there's something deep about himself that he's looking for, but every time he opens his mouth about the topic he just sounds hopelessly gay and wants to throw a way his life to have another look at his husbando's face.

Felt robbed that he got so little focus. He even had the saber clone and it felt like he was barely in the show.

What if Waver summoned him instead of iskandar? How different would he had been if he just easily steamrolled the grail war?

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>but every time he opens his mouth about the topic he just sounds hopelessly gay and wants to throw a way his life to have another look at his husbando's face.
That was always the case, you were just ignoring it

Waver would never have grown as a person and would have been a little shit with arrested development.

Reasons being Kayneth dying in a mini-HGW.

He wants to win. He feels like he was the reason why Iskandar never won and feels tied to that whole idea, so he can't consider himself worthy. The entire Case Files plotline is him solving his issues with that.

He'd hardly grow as a person at all. While Waver had good potential as an individual, who he is is entirely based on the hardship he experienced within the clock tower and how Iskandar recognized him without allowing him to grow a swollen head. He'd be like a shittier Kayneth.

Hell, Waver's at his very best when he has to problem solve his way out of things. That's why he has the renown that he does as a teacher -- magic doesn't come naturally to him, so he has to actually make an effort to learn it, which is why his students are so successful.

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What happens to Gray? She's the only character I care for in this show

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Waver thinks that Iskandar lost all his chances to win because of him, so he it's tied to the past and feels he can't go forward unless he summons Iskandar again and wins. It's as if he is still trapped 10 years ago and can't go forward unless he solves that,

Cursed to be a Saberface and pine after a fag

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Totally legit.

She's crowned Top Cute.

>I can't see shit, Captain

I legit never expected to get this much Luvia from this series.

They know what the viewers want.

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Would be interesting to see someone who wants so badly to be a great mage but can't bo matter what summon someone like Solomon.
>No drive
>basically a robot
>can use all magecraft with ease
>wish to be reborn without any magecraft.

Take a look at this episode and how excited he was when he noticed he had a chance to win against the mastermind. He wants to meet Iskandar again yeah, but he also wants to win.

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It would had been nice if she was drawn more like her Unlimited Codes or Kaleid appearance.

Nah, she looks better here.

Her outfit here is god tier.

I will never understand pedos. Fully matured Olga is obviously the best.

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I think at this point that if Nasu was going to rewrite F/SN from the ground up, he'd find a way to put Luvia in it.

I didn't either. She didn't even appear during this part of the novels. I love it though.

I just want Olga's suffering to end...she's my favorite Fate character. Why do the japs have to make such a great character only to have her suffer so much?

I hope you're being ironic, because she doesn't look any different (except for maybe the chest).

>Is called Department of Policies
>Is really "department of accusing & assassinating random people without monopoly of force"
what
How do these people stay at some sort of pecking order? All you need to do is to give out some fake bait, and then will get murdered by some bigger fish.

>great character
>stuck-up bitch who suffers because of it
>great character

Luvia across all her apperances has literally no point as she only serves as either a foil to Rin or a recolored Rin.

They even foreshadowed in this episode her role in the future arcs.

That's just how cops are

Because the Barthomeloi are serious powerhouses since the founding of the Clock Tower and no one really dares to go against them in an actual power struggle.

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But she's fun and has a great dynamic with Rin.

She was never given a chance :(

but luvia was in the original novel

So stuck-up characters deserve to suffer for eternity? That seems like a bit much. Are you a crusader?

>stuck-up bitch who suffers because of it
just how has being stuck up caused her suffering it has nothing to do with her suffering

Cops stay at their monopoly of power via externalization, because humans are not significantly worth more than other humans. So the ability to get more reinforcements from the next tower over, the neighbor county, civil army and then the national army.

Department of Policies doesn't even have that. Essentially if you started murdering them with bigger fish, they have no way of tracking down or deal with the escalation.

Lorelei is a defence for the Department having reach inside of Clocktower politics.
But not outside.
Its just jarring.

I mean the actual story, not just cameos in epilogues.

But Policies have magical armies and brainwashing at their disposal. And that's when they don't do shady stuff like what happened in Adra in the first case.

Waver wow

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Unless they figure they can get more by ringing your neck for that fake bait.

I thought she said she was never praised before?

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I guess Waver never met her in FGO.

Britain and Ireland are the places from where all of the most famous legends about fairies originate, so it's not inconsistent for them to be active there. Also, in the Fate setting specifically, Britain houses the Navel of the World that seals the Age of the Gods.

If thats the case, shouldn't everyone kill them on sight if possible? Because their job is to steal everything, without actually having some sort of backing to maintain said monopoly of force to extract that?

It's not very subtle foreshadowing that Olga is an antagonist. Every single one of her Servants there has an evil alignment.

you mean the priestess shit?

Moonlight Lostroom shows their meeting, Lev was openly nice and supportive and was amused at her attempts to be a rude cunt. But Lev (other personalities) can make the Aozaki sisters wet, so he has charisma.

they do have backing though in the form of every other ruling body. A thin veneer of neutral ground is established that everyone else upholds as a "peacekeeper" while background politics are the real deciding factor and the balance of power is the real goal.

Goddamn Olga is too cute. It's not fair.

I liked the foreshadowing in this episode about the culprit having the means to have heads still alive.

Because we already saw that in Kara no Kyoukai. That's what the sealing enforcers do and it's actually very important in the final arc here.

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Yes. Even before all of the details came out, she was the #1 candidate to be the Priestess of the Alien God. With everything that's happened in the past 4 Lostbelts + the Lostroom, there's an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence for her and no other candidates.

> attempts to be a rude cunt
I don't remember actually getting to see what Olga said or did didn't we just see Lev say something about it was a good that she didn't just immediately trust him

Illya and Medea also do it to Shirou, with Illya reducing Shirou to a head until she can transfer his soul into a stuffed animal and Medea cutting off all of his limbs and using him as a projection wand.

Goddamnit, when will it end?

Has the priestess actually done anything yet I thought I heard all she's done was kill some dead tree thing?

Ok I am an absolute tard. Can someone help me understand the Eyes of Transience?

Is it that you bring a past event to the present to cause effects? Basically taking a bit of the past and shuffling it around. That's why her assistant couldn't counter it because she couldn't see into the past to predict what was going to happen, just the future to see the outcome? Because honestly I am confused and stupid.

Yeah I know, but the mastermind here got the tech from the very same place Cornelius did, and that's the Kalion Observatory in Albion. The whole thing Araya and Cornelius did in Ogawa was an application of the sealing designation magecraft. It's very cool when Case Files tie stuff like that.

That's actually exactly it.

Yeah, basically that. As the attack comes from the past she couldn't see it in the future, she just had a hunch she was about to die.

Waver can't keep getting away with seducing all the most talented next generation of magi to enter the Clocktower just to attend his class. Animoosphere requires Olga Marie to chuck her into the sun made of mana!

>hurr durr, just because somebody got decapitated doesn't mean they're dead!
>did you forget lewd talismans have the ability to mind control people with magic eyes?

This is the most retarded "mystery" story I've ever seen.

Ok, and now the lewd statue thing? I am not really getting what they mean by mystic eyes being reflected.

It's literally just a distraction.

You got it wrong though.

I mean the whole 'head comes off doesn't mean dead to a mage' makes sense. The lewd figurine though I'm not getting.

It's a fucking show about wizards. Why the fuck do you think problems wouldn't be solved with magic?

Wait then why is it so important? What does mystic eyes being reflected even mean? How could she have controlled priest guy 7 years ago?

The figure just deflects the vision of someone like said. It ahs nothing to do with mind control.

>How could she have controlled priest guy 7 years ago?
She didn't.

Does Waver get kicks traumatizing this little girl?

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Damn straight.

But its literately stated he met Iskandar in one of those spinoff wars.

The statue didn't control the priest it just revealed that she had taken steps to avoid being effected by mystic eyes, revealing that the case she had been investigating had been perpetrated by someone who had them and that her death wasn't caused directly by someone wielding them.

>her Servants
They look more like clowns than servants to be desu.
But that's fgo for you I guess.

Solomon could technically act as a mentor in magecraft if Waver asks him. He can give Wise Advice that's expected of him too. I'm not sure if he'll be a good match because if Waver says stupid shit like waaah leave me alone! Solomon would take that as an order and obey.

So if I doing something really cringey the person with mystic eyes has their magic disrupted because they can't watch?

How does Marisbilly keep him around outside of HGW?
Why did they have to trivialize servant summoning and reduce the whole Holy Grail system to a meme.

You guys should watch the episode again because I think you missed the entire explanation. Trisha wasn't the killer, she was investigating the actual culprit of the case seven years ago, someone who is able to cut heads but keep them alive. She though she would get the truth about the indicent from Karabo, but a third party manipulated Karabo into doing the crimes, so the statue counter she ahd prepared didn't work as intended.

That was Solomon's wish.

He just wanted his daughter to meet her mother (male) (half unwilling DNA donor).

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With the power of money.

I think I do need to rewatch because I thought the conclusion they came to was 'policies bad', and that's why she started using magic right at the end.

She had a hard life.

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>look Gray it's lewd

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>How does Marisbilly keep him around outside of HGW?
He won the Grail War in a timeline where the Grail wasn't corrupted, used its power to wish for prosperity for himself, and let Solomon use its power to wish for incarnation as a normal person.

For a masochist he can also be pretty sadistic.

Olga didn't even greet him. She was being an uppity bitch but Lev complimented her and didn't take offense. He has a light hearted personality but he's also serious. You know when he jokes with Roman about it'll be cheaper to fly out Antartica than make the skies blues.

He wishes to become a real human bean.

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>she sees your dick

The one with animal ears isn't even from FGO originally.

>for incarnation as a normal person
Oh okay. So he's a normal person now?
That makes it less worse I suppose.

Yes actually, it's basically Sexy Commando.

Waver directly says that Adashino doesn't knoe the whole truth either, so that rules her out.

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He's 100% human rather than an incarnate Servant, he wanted to be a completely new life without his magecraft and any king bullshit.

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>priest man goes to train specifically to sell his eyes.
>he doesn't even get the money. The clock tower gets everything.

What a goddamn ripoff. Why does anybody sell anything in this shit auction?

>it was Policies

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what the fuck are you talking about all we see is some flashes of what Lev says when meeting her and all their was for your not greeting him shit was she simply didn't shake hands with him not really something I would consider being a uppity bitch

Better question is why can they just pretty much assault a member of the Church like that.

Note that Chaldea knows how to keep Servants around. They can convert electricity and atomic power into mana. And Moneybill even before the wish was filthy rich and bought nuclear submarines and other bullshit. It's just that Solomon realized he had a wish and desired something and that was to be human.

Well, the reason why Leandra stops the auction to hear Waver's new deduction it's because if he proves it, then the seller of the eyes is Karabo again and not Policies. That would change Adashino's whole tactic too.

Chaldea still has Da Vinci summoned as a full on servant outside of a HGW.

why did he still have his memories doesn't that contradict his wish

Without his memories, he wouldn't even really be himself then, there wouldn't really be any point to making the wish.

We don't know if he kept all his memories. Solomon used to see every single thing so I doubt Roman has that stuffed in his head. He received his last vision through Revelation as his wish was granted, so that probably influenced why he kept those memories.

She's also a Caster who keeps her own workshop.

well if you say so but personally I would say it contradicts the whole completely new life part

You can guarantee that there would be some fallout from it like a backroom deal made to keep the church sweet or Karabo being thrown under the bus "We were already investigating him for that shit, good for you solving it for us.".

Episode 0 clarifies it was Roman who specifically had a hand on her summon rather than Marisbury and the other people. He could have done it using the system.

Not really because Solomon never had agency while he lived. The memories don't make any difference.

Adashino just wants to get the eyes to know what happened and it's using the best and most flawless plan she conceived, even if she has to make up her own truth in the process to achieve it. That's what Policies always does after all.

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That's the point Roman could not enjoy life as a human because his last Relevation forced him to do something about the Incineration of Humanity.

He would have been a man in his 20 without any knowledge of the world, if he removed his memories, which would make him incapable to be part of society.

I actually like how Policies ties with the whole idea of truth being subjective for mages, so they can pretty much decide the truth they want. It's such a mage way to act.

>forced
He chose that. Yes, it was a shitty deal but he took the choice to give a fuck about what happens when he could have just party around and face the end. He became imprisoned for the sake of others but he chose it this time.

Like giant self-serving cunts?

Solomon wanted to be a normal person, but that does not mean that he hated his former role or feels regret about it. If his wish included a bunch of fake memories as well as a new body, he would be completely denying everything he once was. Also, having his real memories allows him to appreciate what it means to live as a normal person capable of exercising personal agency and who actually has to labor for what he wants instead of relying on special powers.

While he has no resentment (because he's too nice for that), he doesn't exactly liked his way of life, he was never a person though.

Plus it wasn't all bad. And you have to admit that it was a cute twist that it wasn't the protagonist who was the secret awesome special guy who saves the day, but his goofy mission control pal.

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Yeah, like mages.

Guda is emptier than Solomon used to be, so of course he couldn't be anything.

Points to her for actually admiting it so openly.

Most mages are self-aware.

Mages don't really have any reason to hide their psychopathy, ruthlessness, or abuse of power. Their society operates by different norms than regular society.

Waver would have become a top tier magus if anything because he compensates his greatest flaw: the lack of a magic crest passed from generations. Solomon is docile and loyal and he would just need to ask to be turtored and he'll get it.

I actually like how Case Files deals with the whole mystery angle without actually being a mystery. When you think about it, magecraft in the Nasuverse is so varied and personal that the how and the who become kind of moot points, there is like millions of different ways that would broke all the rules of a traditional mystery with mages involved. When someone can create a double or literally kill someone from their workshop kilometers away, conventional mystery doesn't really work.

So making these mysteries about the motive and how that relates to the culprit is actually the best way to handle it. It's not a proper mystery at all but that way it permits you to do a mystery influenced story with mages being around and some kind of conspiracy going on that you can flesh out (while at the same time fleshing out some lore). Of all the choices they could have done here in this specific situation, this is probably the best one.

>Who could steal from a Lord's vault

Thats the question the led me to my idea of who it was. The end of this ep seems to have confirmed it. Good luck figuring it out by next week.

She's better than Rin in every way.

Marisbilly summoned Solomon with Chaldeas then joined the HGW from the outside right?

Agreed. Should do a special rerelease of F/SN with a new game plus feature of Rin being replaced by Luvia.

What could have been if not for Sieg.

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I think so. Solomon would have been the mysterious 8th servant of that war.

Nice. If that's the case then what's keeping him from just summoning Solomon in regular fsn timeline and just using him to help with his animusphere shit. He'd have to ultimate help.

It's probably insanely expensive or something/not worth the attempt/risk/effort without winning the Grail. He only participates in the Grail War to get even more insane amounts of money.

Hell, it might not even be sustainable beyond a certain period of time.

>What are we going to do on the bed Lord El-Melloi II?

He's called Fate system first Summon. Maybe he did get command spells and "permission" to attend from the Association (he's a Lord though) and he simply tested his system.

A true patrician knows the real answer you failed to graps.

Why not both?

Solomon is a Caster whose mats say he's unmatched in territory creation. So mana would be a non issue. Marisbury wouldn't probably mind to either drain people for this or just fuck his Servant. Solomon's the only being he ever showed to give a fuck about.

Still in progress. I was thinking of adding a Other section with the freelancers, independents and other related people. Also this whole chart.

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no, Chaldea was built from the wish( he wanted Financial support from the grail) that he acquired after winning the HGW. He participated the HGW through normal means.
A future arc in Case file will actuially mention that The animusphere abandoned their Chaldea project years ago after Marisbilly choose not to participate in the HGW because the budget required for it is simply astronomical and beyond the financial power of any one family.

>Absolutely nothing, because I'm gay for a big bara daddy

You sir have won this thread.

I can't read any of this.

Solomon has A++ mana and has the highest talent for territory creation. Moneybill's fine.

It's a capture of the work in progress to show what I did, not the actual picture.

>no, Chaldea was built from the wish( he wanted Financial support from the grail) that he acquired after winning the HGW. He participated the HGW through normal means.
Wrong.
Chaldea was founded on the 50s. Chaldeas was finished way before 2004 too, Sheba Lenses were complete on 1999, Demi Servant experiments began on 2000. Fate system became operational in the 90s too.

Solomon was the first servant summoned with chaldea. Chaldea existed years before 2004 but only after he won the war was Billy able to fully run Chaldeas. The FATE system was used so marisbilly did not join the war by normal means. It's also why he didn't have to sacrifice Solomon. 7 servants were already given to the grail.

Shoo shoo, FGO faggots. This thread is for actual Nasuverse discussion and not your shitty gacha.

Go whine in tmg

Not really. Waver’s greatest flaw is his immaturity, which is something he repeatedly grapples with in Case Files and was his whole character in Zero.

wish FGO garbage got people permabanned here

What are the subtitles on the Clock Tower rank titles?

The biggest reason for why Urobuchi and his works are inferior to Nasu is simply the level of prose. Nasu's prose is fluid and incredibly poetic. Meanwhile Urobuchi writing is all over the place. Too many unnecessary descriptions, and overused phrases

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What did Olga mean by this?

>It's very cool when Case Files tie stuff like that.
Mindlessly referencing stuff from prior works isn't interesting, it's just boring

>Nasu's prose is fluid and incredibly poetic
THIS CHAIR

False. Mindlessly referencing stuff is what Narita does in Strange Fake. What Sanda does in Case Files is to actually introduce stuff into the plot in a manner that actually has sense.

Hell yeah nigga.

Because fgo would rather >muh pseudo

Here it's being used for something relevant to the plot unlike to what Narita does with random references in SF. There are worlds of difference between how both use prior works.

why are you using an example of intentionally making the writing style weird to convey the insanity of the main character?

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I see HF more as a route which asks for what exactly is more important. Becoming your most desired ideal,or the smiles of the people you care about. It supports the latter. You can always chase your ideals but once the people around you are gone then they're gone. They won't come back.

>"Emiya. Do not kill the person if the one you saved is a woman. Having her die in front of you hits you pretty hard."

In the interlude "sacrilege", after shirou gets archer's arm transplanted, they leave the church and gilgamesh and kirei remain there, with gilgamesh asking him if "it's alright to let the holy grail go", they talk a bit then you get kirei's backstory and issues explained about his past and inability to ever appreciate what others appreciate/being angry at god for his condition and never telling him *why* he is like this/why his efforts were never rewarded.

Shirou’s last words to Kirei are pretty much identical to what Kirei says he’s going to do to Shirou’s dad, Kiritsugu, in Zero. I wonder if this was intentional? Most likely.

Kirei decides in Zero that his role is to crush the Holy Grail, and in turn, crush Kiritsugu’s dream. And then he actually comes into contact with Grail and realizes it’s the only thing in the world he actually wants for himself. Having discovered his true calling as the villain, the man who spreads destruction and suffering. And the Grail being the ultimate tool to fulfill that wish. Then at the end of Heaven’s Feel, just like in Zero, it ends with Kirei and an Emiya, fighting to the death as the Holy Grail begins to overflow right next to them. The difference is here, the roles are switched. It’s Kirei’s wish to obtain the grail, and Shirou who ultimately decides he’s going to mercilessly destroy it, having discovered his true calling as the hero, the man who beats the bad guy, and saves the world from destruction. And the Grail being the weapon of mass destruction that needs to be thwarted.

He could also reach his maturity if he has to act as a senpai to someone who is emotionally empty.

The udder audacity of the Type-Moot fan community in bitching about TakaJun's tls for all these years is one of the more insufferable parts of the Nasu fandom. They're one seemingly wholly unwilling to actually get about to TRANSLATING ANY OF NASU'S WORKS despite whining about how Takajun's TL was "bad"--christ, such a shitter "community" filled with shounenbab tertiaries who took the ironic arguments about powerlevels way too seriously and now think F/GO is actually some kind of magnum opus instead of what it should really be translated as: "Nasu Sells Out".
but yeah Shiki's descent into madness was fucking tip top. You could see him climbing up the goddamn walls and threatening to rape ceil against the ceiling.

Seethe harder, TakaJun.

how wet is she after Waver solved the case?

This guy talks some mad shit for somebody that's never translated anything in his miserable life.

she mostly a spy, and the manager for the crypters.

It's a fair point though. Why haven't any of TakaJun's critics released a superior translation? EOPs have no alternative but use his TL so critiques of it are meaningless to the vast majority of EOP fans of F/SN. They will not learn Japanese just because a few people insist the TL is bad. If the critics aren't willing to do their own TL then their criticism amounts of nothing more than epeen stroking and empty posturing with no real effort required on their part.

loli for hugs
hag for fugs

So, who is the perpetrator?

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>translating for the modern fate fanbase
You'd have to be a masochist.

me

Dr Heartless

You.

The person they have been foreshadowing since episode 2 of this arc to be the puppet master.

> a spy
how does that work I thought she was incapable of communicating

Loli for hugs AND fugs.

Dumbass question: Did Kiritsugu had a nickname which non-magus folks used to refer at him?

Asking for a friend.

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Who's that beefcake?

>non-magus folks
Was he even relevant to them?

She shows up and is trying to communicate something, always failing to do so.

honstley with all the shit wrong with her life, if she returns, and is not a full blown phycioahy, were luckly.

for the alien god

>implying the modern fate fanbase reads the VNs

Modern Fate fanbase are 90% FGO niggers they will never read any TLs of F/SN

oh I was thinking for the crypters but I guess the alien god would have a way to communicate with her

For a guy with over 400 wifes, he pretty gay

destroyed LB1 Fantasy Tree
appeared randomly (with Ophelia in LB2, Koyanskaya when she got QSH'd in LB3)
appeared in the discussion of the Emissaries ft. God Arjuna
the spokesperson of the main antagonist

Exactly

Dr. Heartless.

>Orange
user NO

>Dumbass question: Did Kiritsugu had a nickname which non-magus folks used to refer at him?

Mage Killer

> spokesperson can't speak
how does this work

She speaks for the trees.

She CAN speak, just not in human language. Ivan understand her and it's implied Kirsch also can do that as well. Kirei-Rasputi can somehow read her emotion very well despite saying she can't feel anything anymore.

do you mean to the trees?

700 wives, 300 concubines or so.

Who

Le culprit.
No, for the trees, do you even Dr. Seuss pleb?

>suffer for eternity?
She didn't. Olga just "died" and everything about her is gone. You can say she doesn't exist anymore.

Olga Marie is really cute.

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How is that masochism then? The obnoxious casual majority won't even know about it.

still really gay

What kind of name is "Waver Velvet"?

After the Rail Zeppelin arc ends I'm going to do another rewatch of the 6 episodes in a row. It feels there is a lot of foreshadowing talks and info here that would work better if one don't forget what was said in the previous episodes after a week.

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>she simply didn't shake hands with him not really something I would consider being a uppity bitch
Not that user and i don't think she can be called a bitch based by what she did to Lev during their first meeting either but still, it's very disrespectful/rude of her to not shake hands with him especially when Lev has been working with Chaldea for a long time and she's going to work with him. Lev himself is also a much older & better magus than Olga, and shaking hands is just a simple thing.

The kind of name Nasu comes up with when he's not using historical figures or Japanese people for characters

the fact the alien priestess exist means that olga very much alive, and in a lot of pain

To be fair, didn't he go to get rid of his eyes since he could not control them anymore and getting money for them was not his primary goal

Fan translating something massive like a VN is soul sucking shit that's no fun and has no reward. It's masochism.

I imagine he intended to put some of the money he gained into buying some cheapass replacement eyes (binding/charm or something, whatever) before Policies jewed him.

>the fact the alien priestess exist means that olga very much alive
It means Olga is deader than dead, especially given by her entry in Lostroom booklet and what we know about the Priestess so far.
>and in a lot of pain
The Priestess can't feel anything because she is nothing. It's outright said in the story.

I will just say that whole monologue Olga does about the past being an illusion defines perfectly what Heartless is all about as a character.

If you say so personally I don't really find it that big of a deal not shake hands with a person.

Also what does him being a better magus have to do with it

Plus even Lev was fine with it and said it takes time to build trust

no, that means that with Olga being erased from exists, in chaldes, not dead.
As for the pain, if olga whole life is just like this, then he trying to kill al humanity, with the aliean god, makes a lots of sence

Please learn how to type properly.

>Also what does him being a better magus have to do with it
Did you miss the part where that user said "older"
Also don't you at least shake hands/show some kind of respect to the co-worker who has worked in the same job with you and in a much longer time than you? Hell, Reines still does so even if those are magi who just care about political struggle (which she always hates) or Kayneth, who she thinks is a great magus but sucks at battle. Lev simply doesn't care much about that because he is not your typical aristocratic magus like Olga, but that doesn't mean Olga's manner is okay, especially when she's the director as well as the head of her family (not Lordship btw)

>no, that means that with Olga being erased from exists, in chaldes, not dead
Rewatch First Orded & read Moonlight/Lostroom material + Lostbelt again. She doesn't get erased from just being exist. You can't say/know if she is dead or alive or living a painful life or having a painful death because she is literally nothing. At best you can say she is an absence who used to be "there"/is just standing "there". Her being dead or alive doesn't matter in this case.

They should just rename this show to THE HOLY GRAIL WAR since nobody fucking shuts up about it.

Since this many people knew about it you'd think more people would have showed up to take part in the 5th.

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If someone doesn't want to shake hands with someone they don't really know/trust why should they also she's not his co-worker she his boss and I know that user said older but the specifically also mentioned better magus I seriously can't understand why it is such a big deal that she didn't shake his hand

everyone shut up it's time to sensei post

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I mean, this episode made pretty evident who the culprit is. If Trisha was killed because she was following the trail of the person who Marisbury contracted to investigate the Holy Grail War, then the who it's quite evident.

They kind of go a bit too hard in the anime with that, but the HGW is actually relevant in a way to the main plot here, and not for the reasons one would expect.

I don't even know who Dr. Heartless is

Reminder that "Olga-Marie Arsimilat" literally means "the bless saint assimilating with the Earth"

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Yeah because like the mystery in this case, it's a shadow from the past that comes back into the present. There is a reason why that whole plot isn't even resolved here. It's just a presentation card for the main villain.

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A crest wouldn't have helped him that much. The quality and quantity of his circuits are shit-tier. A crest wouldn't have made him anything more than third-rate.

Compare to Rin who, despite having a pretty low-tier 200-year-old at best crest, doesn't really need it to be top-class. Her innate circuits, origin and attribute are so superior that the Tohsaka crest has more sentimental value to her than practical.

Sensei posting...complete.

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His entire thesis was to prove about the whole crest thing could be compensated with talent. Anyway you can create external magic circuits with enough talent too.

The right pair of eyeballs can let you conquer a nation

Chaldea Engineer
>Even I’m resenting it. Surely even Olga Marie would be rolling in her grave right now.

Control Room Staff:
>Oh, how surprising.
>Even though you had animosity against the chief?

Chaldea Engineer:
>Yeah, she was a very angry person and also very inexperienced (could also mean detestable I think?), she made a lot of mistakes too.
>Even still, thinking back, she did very good...
>It would have been good if we had been a bit more considerate too, even if she came from a Lord's lineage.
>Chief Olga Marie was still in the middle of being just a student, just a girl who lost her father.

Control room Staff:
>Oh well. But, without getting rid of these feelings, she couldn’t be a superior of people.
>Because she was Animuspere’s heir, she had to be perfect.
>A cruel story, she was not suitable for being chief. And even though she wasn’t fit for it, she stuck to her power and beliefs and this is the result.
>Chaldea was nearly destroyed and for rebuilding it the support of the magic’s association became essential.
>It’s bad but, to let Chaldea to continue to exist we have no other choice than to welcome a new chief.
>After all, even if Olga Marie were alive, she would have accepted the taking over of the new chief.
>That would be better than letting Chaldea close down.

To non magicals he was only known as some mercenary/terrorist.

So what's the point of Olgas dad in this universe? In FGO he wins the holy grail war, wishes for a fuck ton of cash and creates Chaldea. He will be doing none of that in this one, so what's his deal?

The Usabomber? I don't know, that just came to my mind.

He is implied to be involved in the ritual that caused the world's mana supply to dry up in the 70s in Extra's timeline, and said ritual happens in "20XX" in the other timelines.

He probably wants to do the same thing that he's doing in FGO timeline. Olga only got abandoned after he knew the grail was corrupted, thus he must have a plan for her if the grail's normal and he won the HGW.

He doesn't have that talent. That's kind of the whole issue. First off, both the quality and quantity of Waver's circuits are of the lowest class. Even after years of training and refinement, he only managed to bring them up to "barely adequate". That's his body and soul's natural limit as a magus. And unlike Shirou, he doesn't have any sort of hyper-unique skill to compensate. That's strike one.

He's good at making suggestions for refining and improving the thaumaturgy of others, but he lacks the ingenuity to create anything unique for himself. After all these many years since the end of the Fourth Heaven's Feel ritual, he has failed to create any form of thaumaturgy for himself that he can be proud of. That's strike two.

Waver's studied hard and he's obtained valuable knowledge on all sorts of different spells and mysteries. This is one of the reasons why he's such an excellent magus detective. But being able to dissect existing mysteries doesn't allow him to create anything for himself. A magus who can only dissect but can't create isn't much of a magus at all. His thesis is meaningless for him. He has no talent.

A first-rate magus with a third-rate crest is still still first-rate. A fifth-rate magus with a first-rate crest is only third rate at best.

Sort of to mundanes he was recognized as a international terrorist however most of what he did in terms of action was purely mercenary work. Kerry's ends justify any means and general brutality is what got him the terrorist label.

So Nasu does write like shit

He wasn't that well-known. Kiritsugu gave up on becoming a seigi no mikata early on. He wanted to become one as a child and thought he could become one while training under Natalia, but after he was forced to kill her, he gave up on that dream. He was a freelance mercenary but not quite a terrorist. He generally took on jobs to within his specialty range to save the most amount of lives possible, but his specialty range was far too narrow: he killed rogue magi and that's pretty much all he ever did. Killing a bunch of magi isn't going to publicize your identity and make you into a terrorist in the public eye. Common folk had no idea who he was.

As an ally of justice, many of Shirou's tactics were similar to Kiritsugu's, but a core difference is that Shirou operated on a much wider stage. He fought monsters, magi and even human terrorists. Unlike Kerry, he wasn't a mercenary and never asked for a reward for his efforts, though he accepted anything he was given. Unlike Kerry who gave up on his ideal, Shirou followed his ideal to the end.

That's why Kerry became so cruel and merciless. He didn't need to become a Counter Guardian to become deeply embittered and spiteful. He became that way from the moment he killed his mentor.

He was close friend to local yakuza boss(Fujimura Raiga) and head of Shinto shrine(Issei's father). Sounds pretty influential to me.
>Being this retarded

Fucking hell I love his VA so damn much.
His Waver and El Melon voices are super different, but when he's all emotional and shit you can tell his voice breaking into Waver.

And with this post, let the sensei posting begin anew.

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Is this anime making Olga any more popular? Please say yes.

She's been getting alot of art lately. Beyond that who can say...

How old is Olga in this show? 13?

Like 10

Olga is annoying

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Perfect for impregnation

what emotion?

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11 years old. This happened in 2003.

That's 10? What the fuck?

So Marisburrito got mad that the Grail was corrupted and couldn't get him money. What is he doing in that timeline?
What about Lev/Flauros? Did he awaken to being a demon or is Chaldeas necessary for the burning plan?

She's an alien user.

Not yet and not even in this timeline.

>Not yet
Thought her dad was always an alien

No he turned himself into one.

Why would be Chaldea be necessary for that user? Doesn't matter what Flauros does because Goetia's autism still burned that down and KnK. Waver mentions to Roman in Accel Zero they have to wait history gets restored and see how the events would be smoothed over for the slight divergences between his Holy grail account and Waver's.

wait what
I haven't been following the Lostbelts for quite some time, what's that about them being aliens?

>Thought her dad was always an alien
The god of another planet is likely a system he made. gods are system, and the autism of the planet models would probably mean he wanted to swap the model on earth.
He probably used his soul as final ingredient for the sake of humanity. Plan went to shit.

According to Lostroom material, Lev killed himself in FSN timeline just like in Mahoyo/Tsukihime

I like how much of these threads get hijacked by FGO Olga stuff. She's got more pull than I thought.

For God's sake, the name of the main antagonist literally has nothing to do with aliens. It's God of the Foreign Star

>Doesn't matter what Flauros does
I vaguely remember reading that Flauros doing his shtick is necessary for everything to start, as there are quite a few timelines where Goetia's plan never gets to start because Lev kills himself before being possessed.

Not aliens and nothing is confirmed, but is the theory that Marisbury is/or made (or both) the "god of another planet" and Olga is the priestess. As happens with all magus bullshit, something probably went wrong.

Poor Lev he never gets a break.

Yes, but that doesn't matter as long as Goetia destroys the foundations. KnK burned so did Waver's world (which wasn't FGO) when he incinirated the era.

Mahoyo and Tsukihime worlds have a different foundation than Humanity/Human Order/History, so specifically in those worlds, his suicide would stop Goetia's plan.

Huh, thought that alien thingie had something to do with the Velber fuckers.

Still, that a modern mage managed to create a system/being so goddamn fucking powerful it's literally stronger than pretty much anything that ever appeared on the planet before is pretty fucking crazy.

>a crimson moon
The fuck?

>He probably used his soul as final ingredient for the sake of humanity
I think the final ingredient is the Priestess, or it might be Olga's soul too since she seems to remember everything that happened before and the soul stores memories. Also her name literally means "the bless saint assimilating with the Earth" & Chaldeas is related to the Earth's soul. But anyway Marisbilly probably also did something with himself, he already told Solomon he would die within 10 years thus he needed money & resources to activate Chaldeas as soon as possible. The Animusphere want to reach the Root through Chaldeas too.

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It's an alien.

Not at all. The PV of cosmos in the lostbelts begins with Animusphere creepy chant. And the meaning of that chant is suggestive. The last Crypter is the one who threatened Marisbury to stop the Project for some reason. Marisbury smiled and shot his brains out. Case Files confirming Olga was discarded completely because Marisbury wouldn't have his wish, also sets "she's a experiment" flag. Plus the future disappeared to something connected to the unobservable area. That is Fuyuki Singularity.
Goetia isn't he cause of this Singularity, whatever Marisbury did in Seraphics was the cause (CCC event has Zepar recalling Flauros once reported this).

>Still, that a modern mage managed to create a system/being so goddamn fucking powerful it's literally stronger than pretty much anything that ever appeared on the planet before is pretty fucking crazy.
Because he's likely like Kiara. You know, a Beast candidate.

I mean of the God. It's maybe his soul but doesn't have his heart/ego.

Good night. I hope you all improve your sensei posting skills.

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Young Waver and Gray is a good ship, imo.

How can one mage be so based?

He just is.

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Hm. Hm. That kind of sensei posting is a.. 4/10. Not bad, but somewhat disappointing. I appreciate the effort regardless.

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How powerful is Adashino as a magus? She keeps showing up in all these dangerous situations alone. Does that mean she's confident in her ability to protect herself no matter what?

Cute!

>"Stars, Cosmos, Gods, Animus.
[The Shape of the Stars - celestial bodies-. The Shape of the Cosmos - Order/Universe-. The Shape of Gods. The Shape of Myself].

>Anthrum, Unbirth.
[The Celestial bodies become hollow, what's hollow turns into the Void].

>Anima, Animusphere"
[In the Void, there's God].

Tokiomi should have given Sakura to Moneybills!

I still don't know what Goetia's plan was.
He wanted to burn all of human history for energy to do... something?

Moneybills would experiment with people even more than Zouken does. But he'll probably won't mind to take a student, he can paw her to Trisha who has her same element.

He was going to use that as fuel to go back before the creation of the planet and do his own planet using himself as a foundation. So effectively killing all TM cancer forever and freeing us from even waiting for Mahoyo 2, and Tsukihime Remake.

I'd vote for him.

He was going to create a new planet in place of the old one with a new brand humanity that was blissfully happy and undying. His King didn't let him.

He was burning human history to gather enough energy to prepare his Ars Nova. A noble phantasm that would sent him billions of years into the past unto the genesis of earth. He'd become the center of the planet and evolve into the primordial God of earth. Once he does this he'd create a race of immortal humans that would live on in peace and be perfect from birth as what he wished for all humans that he loved.

>you only need 7 Servants worth of energy to reach the Root
>you need THREE THOUSAND YEARS OF HUMAN HISTORY just to go back in time a few billion years

the fuck.

Goetia despised human suffering. He hated witnessing humans live in pain, suffer through cruelty and die meaninglessly. He saw no worth in human life. It'd be one thing if humans obtained something for all their suffering, but to Goetia, it was as if watching billions of life forms live and die in agony over two thousand years and he absolutely fucking hated it. It was too much, too cruel.

Goetia decided that humanity was a mistake, a lifeform that exists purely to suffer and die without reason. He wanted to go back to the beginning, to the genesis of the world, and become a new world where nothing would ever suffer or die meaninglessly again. He wanted to free humanity from its misery and replace it with something that would never be miserable.

But the energy required to achieve something like that is absolutely enormous. So he incinerated humanity over the course of two thousand years and used that as the energy source for his Noble Phantasm.

>of earth
he specifically says he was going to make a new planet because he's disgusted with the concepts of the new one.

Yes? It takes shitload of mana.

>to reach the Root
no, it's to get the third true magic back. I think

Almost as if nobody gives a fuck about the Third Magic except a dying bloodline of homunculus .

>So he incinerated humanity over the course of two thousand years and used that as the energy source for his Noble Phantasm.
Over three thosuands years. He went backward and burned Gil's era remember?

>Reach the Root
You only open a path that gives you the Third Magic. The gate can't be used otherwise. Moneybill dismissed it.

When the fuck has that actually worked? The mage who actually won the holy grail didn't even try that shit and going by how fgo is heading he's better off doing what he did anyway.

Behold! A paleblood sky!

Its shit like this that makes me wonder why the fuck was fastwheels such a retard in the fourth grail war. Like, seriously, he expected to have an honorable battle against other mages DESPITE knowing how fucking ruthless they are. The nigger literally was groomed to become a proper mage, was surrounded by other mages in the most mage place ever. And he still acted like a naive retarded. Fuck.

In the LN version, Trisha has this instead of that lewd thing
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazar_(amulet)