Admit it, Kubo's plot twist on Zangetsu literally fixed all of Ichigo's powers and so called "asspulls". Not to mention the Shiba connection. Zangetsu isn't Zangetsu, he's Juha Bach?! Hollow Ichigo is the REAL Zangetsu!? I WISH I could say Kubo Tite pulled this out of his ass but... but... he didn't! Throughout the entire 'training' arc, Hollow Ichigo keeps saying "I AM Zangetsu, you idiot!", "You haven't unlocked Zangetsu's real power", "I told you, I AM ZANGETSU!". We think he means "oh, he took over Zangetsu.". Lolnope, he was being quite literal. We see Juha Bach, who we believe to be Zangetsu, always away and looking as if he's nodding his head in approval or passing off some old-man knowledge to his pupil. When in reality, "Hollow" Ichigo has just been trying to protect Ichigo from that bastard. Also, Ichigo's weird and what we believe to be weak writing 'power-ups' are completely explained. Ichigo's been using Quincy powers to power himself up without realizing it. He was mostly using Quincy powers the whole time. Even as far back as his first fight with Renji, he got a 'sudden' spiritual power-up that Byakua and Renji couldn't properly explain or the one during his Kenpachi fight. We all thought it was bad writing and stupid shonen Asspull but Kubo Tite explains all of it with Ichigo being half-Quincy and having bursts of high-powered spiritual pressure that is typical of Quincy's before they use their weapon. What fans thought was laziness and poorly drawn characters with Juha Bach looking so much like Old man Zangetsu was actually quite intentional. Because Old man Zangetsu isn't Zangetsu. He's actually Juha Bach... Hell, even the derogatory comments about Ichigo looking like that man that Rukia was in love with is explained. Isshin is literally a member of their family. So Ichigo happens to look like his cousin. Kubo's a genius.
Admit it, Kubo's plot twist on Zangetsu literally fixed all of Ichigo's powers and so called "asspulls"...
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Kubo is guilty of being the most successful improviser in the history of shounen jump. He admits to not remembering shit and having to reread his manga and sometimes just making up stuff to move the plot along.
It is by sheer coincidence that it is all so neat and consistent.
It wasn't a plot-twist. It was a retcon.
Bleach is for niggers
>I am Zangetsu
Not kubo's fault you can't read lol
Cool Story Bro. Don't forget that Aizen was Ichigo's mom.
That was the retcon brainlet.
Before that in the Soul Society arc Hollow Ichigo said to Byakuya that he had no name and before that he acknowledged the old man as Zangetsu.
That's not a retcon, that's just typical Hollow ichigo/Zangetsu BShittery
Yes it is a retcon.
Before that Hollow Ichigo told Zangetsu to prep Ichigo for him because one day that power will be his(as in he will take over Ichigo). And then he told Byakuya he had no name later.
Then all of a sudden Hichigo says he's Zangetsu in Arrancar arc.
Clear as day retcon.
>Ichigo for him because one day that power will be his
This quote can be taken so many different ways though, remember, Old man zangetsu supressed Him, he's obviousl pissed at him
Obviously Zangetsu surpressed the hollow inside Ichigo. That doesn't mean Hichigo was supposed to be Zangetsu from the start and that Kubo planned Ywach.
Cute family!
No, that's Naruto and OP. Bleach is for intellectuals.
Yhwach was planned ever since the HM arc
>tl;dr
I'll just say that Kubo has good taste in women. Based ending.
All i'm saying is that Zangetsu has no reason to indulge in any information with Old man zangetsu, Him not revealing his true origins to Byakuya or Old man doesn't mean it's a retcon, he either hates them or doesn't care for them. Ichigo is the only one he cares about to gove the information, and he does
I'm confused. I'm a brainlet what quote are you talking about. Because your green text makes no sense to me if that is the quote you mean. What chapter?
>Before that Hollow Ichigo told Zangetsu to prep Ichigo for him because one day that power will be his
Sorry this is the full one, also it was never stated like this in exact terms. Just what the user said
Fix your ADD bto
Zangetsu has been dissatisfied with Ichigo and plotting to take over since the SS arc
the best pairing desu
In hindsight Kubo should have given Orihime Rukia's role and personality. That way you would have had the best of both worlds. A physically attractive female lead who isn't mentally challenged.
I think this is where his success lies. He rereads his own manga from time to time.
When are people gonna realize this was a flawed manga that peaked too early?
>Kubo is guilty of being the most successful improviser in the history of shounen jump
No, that's 100% Toriyama. He literally wrote all of Dragon Ball week-to-week, as in, he didn't plan ANYTHING out the story at all and just did whatever sounded cool for the following week.
if he had good taste, we would've had Ichigo marry Tatsuki or Yoruichi
Rukia was a retard who pretended not to be a retard
Because it didn't peak early, SS is overrated as fuck because of nostalgia
It did peak early, just ealier than kiddiefans believe. Substitute Soul reaper arc was the best Arc. Reasons: Ichigo is a character that is actually enjoyable with complex believs and traits, Shinigami world is mysterious, Hollows are not fodder and scary, Chad is badass, Uryu is badass, Orihime is somewhat cool and has a good backstory and complexity. Tatsuki abd the rest of Ichigo's friends are relevant
Why would he make him marry any of those dykes when he can have perfection? Not to mention Tatsuki is in love with Orihime as well so how about you take her good taste into consideration.
>ghostbustersfags
God you faggots are even worse.
Bump
Why
I want to bully Huntards.
Bleach was fun, my only problem with it was the writing. Literally every arc has to have 20 backstabs and unexpected twists, it's exhausting to watch and loses the sense of unexpected, you start expecting the twists in a way. Then, all the big boss fights were underwhelming as fuck. There are absolutely no tactics, just Ichigo getting enough powerups that he can power through his enemy. This is something that as a shonenshitter I always enjoyed about naruto, both sides had win conditions and were trying to fulfill them.
Chocolate goddess is for Urahara-san.
That's a good reason but there are no huntards here
WHERE IS AIZEN'S BANKAI YOU HACK
Not an argument
Unironically Kubo wrote himself into a corner.
>Shikai is OP and can hax anybody into seeing BS
Banlai is Super OP and can hax anybody into seeing BS superly????
Cope
Don't care. He should just go full autism since the series is finished
Give an exemple for a suitable bankai for Aizen
Have sex, incel. Also dilate and cope cringe yikes
Seething
A nuke. It explodes and disintegrates everything in a 500 mile radius.
That's Soi fon's bankai though. Wouldn't be original
No, Soi Fon has a bazooka. Aizen doesn't aim and I say 500 mile radius, not 5 miles.
But it wouldn't fit with his Shikai. Bankai is just enhanced Shikai. A nuke would be uninspired
I just wish Kubo would draw porn. Nobody makes girls as delicious as him.
No u
Based, cringe, cringe, meh, cringe, based
>But it wouldn't fit with his Shikai
Who gives a fuck, wouldn't be the first. Kubo got lazy with this shit halfway through anyway.
>he doesn't know
>wouldn't be the first
Like?
>implying
Tatsuki x Ichigo is top-tier though
Soi Fon, Kyouraku, Muguruma, Unohana
I think you are confusing Kubo with Toriyama.
All those bankai match the shikai
>Soi fon
>Shikai two-shot turns into bankai 1-shot
I don't see the problem
No.
It's not a guaranteed one shot, it's just a strong energy blast with a big ass explosion.
Derenai family, image doesn't work for some reason
ShindoL is no Kubo.
It's hinted to be a 1-shot kill if it hits fully
>hinted
Just you projecting
Yes
>he doesn't have the full mental capabilities to gather himself the information that is neccesarily required to acquire himself the knowledge to understand this specific thing
>Just you projecting
Engles :D
Based retard.
That's my line
>not a guaranteed one shot
And her shikai isn't a guaranteed 2 shots either.
It is. It's poison.
>Soi Fon
These are at very least thematically consistent in terms of being assassination weapons.
>Kyoraku
Shikai is Children's games made reality, Bankai is a theatrical play made reality.
>Muguruma
Shikai is Air manipulation, Bankai increases physical attack power using condensed air manipulation
>Unohana
Both are different interpretations of the sword's name meaning, "to purify flesh".
Compare any of these to "Ultimate Illusion > Nuclear Explosion", its both stupid and unfitting to Aizen's personality.
Based
>still no paizuri-only doujin of ichigo raping orihime's breastpussy for 40 pages
>raping
>implying
It uses the same logic
>shikai controls everything through illusions
>bankai just kills everything
It's your same shitty logic of "two shot kill one shot kill lmao"
This. Rereading your own manga to come up with good ideas that come off as foreshadowing is a good technique that lots of mangaka utilize. In Bakuman there's a flashback where Mashiro's uncle is doing the same thing. Rereading your own manga to come up with new ideas is just a smart and useful tactic.
It's neither logical nor fitting Aizen's personality, repeating the same baseless claim is not going to win you this argument. If you're going to post shitty fanfiction here then at least put some effort into it.
Hello speedreader kun.
What if Kyoka Suigetsu WAS the bankai?
>two shot kill one shot kill
That's nowhere near what he said retard
>If you're going to post shitty fanfiction
You mean like you are?
Ok retard
What would the shikai be then?
Not that user but it would probably be what he pretended he was doing when he showed it to everyone. Some sort of illusion using mist and reflections. That's what Kiyone said. Seemingly harmless compared to what it ended up being able to do.
I had the dame theory back then because when you read the japanese Aizen never once calls kanzensaimin a shikai, he always calls it his zanpakutoi's true power, or released state.
I
You should be Kubo lol. Aizen should have revealed his Bankai when he faced the captains in fake karakura
I admit Ichigo never develops as a character. He is always "the hero" who is motivated only to "rescue" and absolutely nothing else. When he finishes "rescuing" he returns to exactly how he began without remembering anything about how to maintain his emotional state.
Ichi-Go (one-five) the 15-year-old Japanese teen boy never grows up and a desperately lonely teen girl who lives completely alone is obsessed with him so they get married and nothing about them changes because progression does not happen in a Kubo story.
Kubo writes a character. Hundreds, literally.
That character never grows. Including the main characters.
Speedreader
Ichigo does develop as does the others in team karakura, however only in the Subsitute soulreaper arc.
Yoruichi was always for Urahara, but Tatsuki would be perfectly acceptable.
Rukia is where it's at, though. Renji is a piece of shit who means nothing. For a shounen battle manga, more than half of it was about how much Rukia and Ichigo cared about each other and how much they meant to each other from the instant they meet.
Tatsuki didn't believe his rude ass in a second though. She knows her man
I dunno, man. Having a manga run for 600+ chapters over, what? 15 years? Gets an anime that lasts for 8 years, a bunch of light novels, a movie I think? That's a lot of content!! Having them do something or accomplish something didn't mean they developed at all. They just learned things and added numbers to their victory total.
They are the same people, start-to-finish. Every arc has every character act in the same way they did before. The same at the beginning, the same in the middle, the same at the end. Not horrible characters, but completely static. Necessary for something so long running to stay long running, but pointless and frustrating in retrospect.
>Renji is a piece of shit who means nothing.
Calm down, Byakuya. Also Renji is ok, to hate him is literally pointless as he is barely relevant, he's funny and has a cool zanpakuto though.
Tatsuki was always Ichigo's abandoned friend and he fucking sucks because of it.
I agree with you, in every arc despite the first one. Ichigo has apparrent development with his Survivors guilt and his sense of morality when it comes to saving people. Infact, the "i will save anyone!!!" Ichigo is the one you got from this development
His rude punkness was also eventually written away, you could see this as development or simply kubo being a bad writer idk
It makes you wonder, What powers would Tatsuki develop
>tatsukifags and developmentfags
You faggot ruin every thread
To further explain, Ichigo doesn't care about saving random strangers in the beginning, he is fine saving his family and friends and the random person in need of help he feels like helping. He doesn't actively search out helping people before this. Rukia mentions this and Ichigo screechs about "doing things his own way" but eventually realises that Rukia is right (though it is never stated, it is obviously shown, which is better actually)
Hello i'm both
Neck yourself
You definitely caught me about that; the first arc where Ichigo finally overcomes his childhood of survivor's guilt is real development as a character. I guess I was looking at the entire series and how 80% of it occurred after the 1st arc, thank you for reminding me. Bleach is great in the beginning. Bleach becomes completely static once Rukia is saved, then completely erratic when Kubo just introduces characters to write different lines.
I dunno where my pic is, but she's officially drawn with, like, some fox fur blade thing in concept once.
The introduction of the arancats was cool, their two invasions were nice, Ichigo struggling with the hollow powers was cool, the vizards ruin it though and the sharp nosedive comes after the Grimmjow fight. After that it's 300 chapters of people standing around and getting into 1-on-1 fights.
Yeah look at Hori he LITERALLY had to make a public apology for a plot hole that he made that could have been avoided if he re-read his own manga
>t. triggered ichirukifaggot
How does it feel being constantly analblasted for three years straight?
191609003
>literally a "no u" response
T. child
As long as I live, I will never support IchiHime. Maybe Kubo should have actually written the pairing instead of just narrowing it down to "Orihime likes Ichigo. She marries him now. The end!".
He did in the beginning.
Kubo did a lot of things in the beginning.
Based and redpilled. It's not like anyone could blame you for forgetting however. Kubo went off way too hard
I sometimes forget how relevant she was at first, even if only a non-powers character
191613504
>Maybe Kubo should have actually written the pairing
Delusion
Yeah it's definitely that guy, he also managed to make a more satisfying ending than Bleach's.
He did all throughout the manga
And in the beginning, Isshin finds his pre-pubescent daughters' bare vaginas erotic and humorous underneathe their traditional kimonos, drunk for funsies, and suggests Ichgio casually go ahead and touch.
>dragon ball
>satisfying ending
Holy shit, good read, Yea Forums btfo
>Dragon Ball
>Ending
Fucking based and patrician
Bad translation.
And no, it being TUMBLR doesn't mean you can refuse to read it
YOUR FAVORITE MANGA ...
Is SHIT.
CHECKS OUT LE XDDD HEHE HOW FUNNY YOU SAID A DUMB STATEMENT AND YOUR NAME IS RETARD LEL GET IT????
Dragon Ball had a good ending, Goku went off to train Uub to be the next protector of Earth
Blame Toei's greed for GT and now Super
Okay but lets not pretend people don't complain about DB's last two arcs.
DB > DBZ yet dbz is more popular. People complaining about shit is not a good indicator
>DB
>DBZ
They are literally one thing
>People complaining about shit is not a good indicator
Well thats one thing we can agree on
Retcons are not inherently bad.
ok sadchigo
So best pairing means they are both ginger and really nothing else to the relationship
That pic sums up everything about the character pretty well
>Orihime
>ginger
IRcucks confirmed animeonlyfags.
Yeah, it perfectly encapsulates how Gigi is a creep
Honestly I’m more annoyed that Rukia ended up with Renji then I am Ichigo ending up with Tits McGee.
How does a good character like Rukia end up with a character who is the equivalent of Yamcha
Rukia is a bigger jobber than Renji
Her hair is canonically drawn the same color as Ichigo's by Kubo himself.
>How does a good character like Rukia end up with a character who is the equivalent of Yamcha
Renji solo'd a Sternritter, thats way above anything Yamcha ever accomplished.
>t. seething mad IR dumblrfag
>Her hair is canonically drawn the same color as Ichigo's by Kubo himself.
Uh huh.
>HURR DURR BIG TIDDIES ARE GROSS LOL
Spoken like a true ugly hambeast.
Oh I love breasts, if Rukia had them she would be best girl of everything.
But for Orihime it is one of her main aspects that keep getting brought up, to the point where they literally stop to talk about them before going up to the final fight. I just don’t like her character I kind of wish she had more development then boobs, broken healing ability and childhood friend that needs saving occasionally
>I kind of wish she had more development
She went from "I want to be saved by Ichigo" to "I will be the one to save Ichigo"; I would call that development.
I'll choose a woman with personality over a bimbo whose only appeal is their assets - those are only good for fucks, not waifu material.
Riruka should have won the Ichigobowl, both Rukiafags and Orihimefags have shit taste, there I say it.
If it takes over a decade it's a retcon.
She went from saying one thing to saying another thing while still barely doing anything on screen or in manga to count as good development.
It’s the equivalent of someone saying “I wish i could play football” then you don’t see them until they come back saying “I can play football”. Development may have happened but you never saw it so it has no really meaning to you.
Well in america most people differentiate, most people also only watch dbz
>a woman with personality
So, Orihime
He has no reason to LIE either. And considering this how all the information is being explained to the reader unless the author is sprinkling in clues that something is up, which Kubo wasn't, the reader has no reason to believe this is false information. Thus if you pull a switcharoo after the fact and have to RETROACTIVELY change the context of old scenes, it is by definition a retcon.
>Development may have happened but you never saw it
We non speedreaders did see it
>"KUROSAKI-KUN!"
I'd hardly call that a personality.
>Development may have happened but you never saw it
We did see it, in the manga. Thats my point.
Name this development all of you apparently saw. You better not name that scene where she fought Yhwach with Ichigo and got BTFO along with him.
>(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.
See i almost though you were correct for a second but this so called "information" was never information, it was simply Shiro Bs'ing to people he doesn't give a shit about. Information would be something happening, Shiro never did this, all he said was a statement, it wasn't info dump
>Name this development
>BUT DONT SITE THE SCENE THAT PROVES ME WRONG REEEEEEEE
>unless the author is sprinkling in clues that something is up
Read the Kenpachi fight
It was the only bit of information the reader had to go on and there was nothing to question it until much much later. If a character says I AM X then we have no reason to believe he's Y unless the story gives us reason to. You can't just say I WAS Y ALL ALONG. That's how you get Xorn pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be the other Xorn.
>It was the only bit of information the reader had to go on and there was nothing to question it until much much later. If a character says I AM X then we have no reason to believe he's Y unless the story gives us reason to. You can't just say I WAS Y ALL ALONG. That's how you get Xorn pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be the other Xorn.
I mean, not really. Shiro was a sketchy and a weird looking dude, your belief in him doesn't actually make it a retcon. Your taking of his statement at face value was your mistake
Again, spoken like a true ugly hambeast. Only DFCfags and insecure uggo landwhales like you IRfags get this triggered over fictional women having huge knockers.
>REEEE ORIHIME DOES NOTHING BUT SCREAM 'KUROSAKI-KUN"111!
t. blind and illiterate Ichirukek
>"Orihime had development all throughout the series!"
>Where?
>*Points to that scene towards the very end of the manga*
>But what about the rest of the se-"
>"SHE FOUGHT YHWACH WITH ICHIGO! WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?!"
686 chapters and you can only name a scene from one chapter. Wow, sure showed us.
>I mean, not really. Shiro was a sketchy and a weird looking dude
Yes really. And just because a character looks shifty doesn't mean they ARE shifty unless you give them a reason to be. You can't just say "I mean well, look at him" when they don't actually DO anything.
Who let the Ichirukifags back in here? I thought they were all back at dumblr celebrating their "Ichiruki Month".
I could say read the entire manga but thats too much for you, in the fullbring arc, when Ichigo is training and she meets Riruka for the first time, read that one
>Admit it, Kubo's plot twist on Zangetsu literally fixed all of Ichigo's powers and so called "asspulls".
>gets power after power after power after power.
>hurr durr it al betur cuz da aufor intraductted an deus ex machina
I'm surprised you could spell "deus ex machina" correct, when the word "all" was already difficult.
White-Ichigo acted villainous as fuck.
>All if Ichigo's encounters with him always broke out into a fight.
>"I'M GONNA TAKE OVER YOUR FUCKING BODY, ICHIGO! YOU BETTER WATCH YOURSELF!"
>Every time he gained control he acted like a savage and attacked whoever the fuck.
>Gave not a single reason he could be trusted and not just taking advantage of Ichigo for his own agenda.
He looks were just icing on the cake. I wouldn't trust that nigga either.
>HM: realizes she allowed herself to be captured because she hoped to be saved by Ichigo
>LA: declares that she will be the one to protect Ichigo
>BW: follows through with this claim by being beside Ichigo against Yhwach
Inb4 continued "nuh uh" replies
>Yes really. And just because a character looks shifty doesn't mean they ARE shifty unless you give them a reason to be. You can't just say "I mean well, look at him" when they don't actually DO anything.
Neither can you assume that literal hollow/shinigami spirits that have been supressed and fucked over will be honest to people that they were fucked over by
Basically, you can't assum a character will always say the truth, especially when you don't know them
Are you okay user? Are you having an aneurysm?
>I'm surprised you could spell "deus ex machina" correct, when the word "all" was already difficult.
I really don't get what you're saying
>All if Ichigo's encounters with him always broke out into a fight.
Because Ichigo rejected him as a part of himself
Yea Forums best reaction chain meme ever
I miss those days