While some deres are loved, others are utterly hated. Why is so? What makes the difference between one character and other?
ITT derederes
Jack Gray
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Henry Smith
Is Rem a tsundere?
Bentley Nelson
It depends on the MC and how they handle them.
Wyatt Bell
No, it's deredere with a yandere streaks. The ln and anime increased her deredere traits and don't show much of her yandere tendencies, making her more of a doormat.
Jason Hughes
number of worms in vagine
Ethan Roberts
>yandere and yandere
Oki doke.
Elijah Garcia
It's amazing how you can take an initially good and intriguing character like this (together with ram), and then you end up with a
>hai, subaru
>subarashi, suubaru
>you go girl, subaru
>yeeeah, subaru
Doesn't the writer of this notice by himself how fucking bad and annoying this shit is? Rem is such a joke now, anyone seen her in the winter ova? holy shit. terrible stuff. and it's really a shame, because the initial ram/rem arch (including their backstory) was amazing.
Robert Walker
It's no different from Sakura's "senpai". After a while it makes you wanna strangle them yourself. Then again Tappei doesn't like Rem at all, and would rather the fans forget all about her.
Jason Walker
That is during their arc and when the conflict ensues. Sakura does get jealous but she's nowhere near as sassy or murderous once dewormed/freed from the Grail's influence. Neither is Rem, who tries to tend to all of Subuaru's needs no matter how idiotic or cucking they are.
Liam Anderson
Why do people call Rem a doormat? Because she didn't continue to act like a dick to Subaru after coming to trust him?
William Bailey
because wormslut is shit she is the mobmilia of fate
Connor Robinson
No, because she's been getting worse like in the Memory Snow ova or the Isekai Quartet. She's all "you're great Subaru kun, I love Subaru kun, Subaru kun, I wanna lick your ass Subaru kun" rather than how she is in the wn.
So it's a matter of usefulness? Would Sakura be more liked if she was more active as a master?
Joseph Thompson
Ah I haven't seen those.
Leo Russell
Nicholas Cox
>[Rem: Say “I love you”…]
>Rem spilled these words out with a faint, frail voice while looking up at Subaru.
>In her vision which had become blurred by the swell of tears that gushed up, she saw Subaru shake his head. After that, Subaru brought his face close to her and said,
>[Subaru: I love you(suki da)]
>[———–]
>[Subaru: I love you(daisuki da). Isn’t that obvious…If you aren’t with me, I can’t live on…]
>It was his true feelings. If you were to say that this was when he spilled everything out, that wouldn’t be an exaggeration and would be an accurate statement. If it wasn’t for her, he wouldn’t come this far. >If she were to disappear, he would not be able to live on.
>[Rem: Ahhh…I’m happy…]
>Accepting Subaru’s confession, Rem felt a tear alongside her closed eyes. Taking in Subaru’s words happily, her face quickly blushed. Soon after, it now really did seem that all power within her body had departed.
>[Subaru: Wait…]
>[Rem: I love you(aishiteimasu), Subaru-kun]
>[Subaru:Don’t fuck with me, stay by my side. You’re going to leave me with regrets again!?]
>Subaru could not bear to live in a near future where Rem would cease to exist. Along with knowing this fact since long ago, her existence still has become sooo much more important to him, compared to long ago. So,
>[Subaru: In the future where I talk while smiling, I need you…I don’t want this]
>[Rem: In that future, is it okay if I stay by your side?]
>[Subaru: ….Isn’t the answer obvious? I won’t let you go to anyone else’s side.]
>Wiping off her tears that were suspended on her eyelids, Subaru looked straight at Rem and said:
>[Subaru: You are mine. I won’t let anyone have you.]
>[Rem: Proposal accepted!]
>[Subaru: Heh?]
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Luis Garcia
It was a little overbearing in Quartet
Cooper Ross
Just a little? She's a shadow of what she was in the wn. Makes me think that a date with her would be pretty boring. With her agreeing to everything you tell her to and no actual feedback of her opinions or banter.
Daniel Lewis
Sakura is more yandere. But mainly what says.
Xavier Martin
But how so? What makes Subaru and Rem work out better for the fans compared to Shirou and Sakura? Subaru is a jerk, and Shirou got white knight tendencies and desire to protect, while Sakura also needs that saving.
Both Rem and Sakura seem bent on helping their lovers. What makes the difference?
Jackson Flores
imagine being so mentally ill as to type this out, complete 12 captchas, and post
Christian Peterson
This also depends on other girls in a show. If there are more interesting and appealing alternatives, deredere characters tend to be hated more then when there aren't.
Benjamin Moore
How would Shirou handle Rem and Subaru handle Sakura?
Blake Long
emiliafags have never recovered. I heard one of them literally killed themself
Caleb Jenkins
this, I liked ram/rem at first but then it became waifu bait wannabe love interest
I hate waifufags
Mason Thompson
because memes
Asher Adams
Yandere guys >everything else
Robert Gonzalez
>Yandere guys >everything else
Xavier Nguyen
Much better hug.
Easton Edwards
I guess this is the new rem schizo cope thread
Chase Walker
because some derederes act kinda like they are making fun of the person they love, its so overdone it feels fake
also some of them act like creepy old men
Aaron Turner
Shirou would make Rem feel useless. Part of what she likes about Subaru is how useless he is, like a puppy, and it triggers her motherly instincts and her self esteem because she can be useful and give meaning to her life by protecting him. Shirou would be constantly trying to make Rem stop and relax while he takes care of the chores, cooks or fights against Servants. She would accept it at first but then it would get to her nerves when Shirou gets almost killed in battle.
Then they both would go overboard against someone like Heracles or Gil and get brutally murdered.
Subaru would be unable to help Sakura, and his autism wouldn't let him see beyond her surface feelings so he would never realize she is wormed. Both would probably relate due to their cursed nature, what with Subaru being the host for the witch and Sakura for Angra Manyu. If they ever realized each other's issues, they could probably try to help each other and tend to each other's wounds (kinda like Kariya and young Sakura). But they wouldn't be able to survive the war because Subaru isn't as clever or brave as Shirou, and Sakura with Rider can't defeat the high end servants or survive the worms. Maybe Subaru ends up as Dark Sakura's meal, the shock of killing him enough to trigger the Angra Manyu and/or Satella killing everyone shortly after.
Julian Flores
need an official art version of this
David Richardson
Yeah man I don't know, Rem was shit I can't believe how other with her same personality are accepted and she wasn't.
Joshua Hughes
it's just the Isekai Quartet and OVA bullshit. Isekai Quartet isn't written by the re:zero author and the OVA was gutted a lot. WN Rem is still an amazing character
Austin Martinez
Maybe it was because of the time periods? Sakura was almost universally hated in the 90's and not as known because vn were more niche in that era.
Re:Zero on the other hand quickly rose in popularity and millennials are more into danderes?
Thomas Davis
t. schizoid emiliafag
Daniel Cruz
>in the 90s
Fuckin what?
Ian Wilson
what are you even talking about? Rem is one of the most popular characters of the last decade
David Ramirez
i wanna see rem experience how she killed and tortured Subaru post falling in love with him
Leo Young
Just ignore the trolls. What other great deres are out there? Any favorites? And how different are Rem or Sakura from someone like Setsuna?
I'd love to know what she thinks of that too. Would she be ashamed of herself? Would she try to kill herself?
Luis Bailey
Subaru and Rem can push each other and they "complete" each other
Oliver Lopez
Asuna from SAO is actually a yandere
She's pretty psycho in the light novels and manga too
Gets me hard as fuck
John Carter
she'd probably feel guilty but she had good reasons so it wouldn't be a huge deal in the end
Luis Morris
the OVA was gutted, in the LN sidestories she casually shits on Subaru and the isekai quartet isn't written by the author. Considering Rem's high popularity I doubt that many writer can copy her appeal well enough as she's very balanced and most writers tend to overdo it in some directions.
Hudson Bell
did we get to see a 2nd trial end of that death?
Benjamin James
Whereas Shirou and Sakura destroy each other. The more Sakura needs Shirou, the more he loses parts of himself trying to help her. Which only increases Sakura's guilt and makes her dark impulses surface, making her need more help. It's a destructive cycle and why Shirou and Sakura are a toxic relationship.
Lincoln Long
what do you mean?
iirc. subaru dies by rem in the mansion the first time when he wakes up with the curse
and the second he wasnt killed by rem but he was tring to run away while she beat and mauled him. ram killed him off
Joshua Morales
reminder
>dies in his sleep from curse
>dies from curse, tries to get to Emilia's room but gets finished by Rem
>get's combo'd by Rem and Ram, Ram dealing the killing blow after he left the mansion but kept spying
>suicide
Julian Wood
Very poor worded question but I wanted to avoid spoilers for arc 4
James Morris
idk man i just saw the first season of the anime, didnt go i to the LN
Daniel Williams
Wormslut a shit and HF should have been an Ilya route.
Gavin Hill
Well don't read the LN, the WN is much better
Kayden Anderson
Japanese sure love to write dependent relationships.
Josiah Robinson
>It's a destructive cycle and why Shirou and Sakura are a toxic relationship.
HF is the best ending for both characters.
Brandon White
on the contrary i think its pretty genius. kinda teaches you how something might seem good on the surface level but ultimately is bad in the long run. that same thing people seem to not understand in this day and age
Blake Hall
But why?
Logan Clark
Depends the ending. The Normal end is only somewhat good for Sakura but definitely better than UBW or Fate endings. Shirou ends up suffering and only in the Happy End does he get a happy life banging both Sakura and Rider. And even then Rider may not be available due to Sakura's jealousy.
Julian Carter
Why on earth would you assume that I'm talking about the normal end?
Sebastian Green
>And even then Rider may not be available due to Sakura's jealousy.
Still not better than UBW Happy End.
Isaiah Williams
>dewormed
>Zouken is dead
>Shinji is dead
>Greater Grail destroyed
>Angry Manjew is dead
>Sakura's and Rin's relationship is fixed
>Shirou managed to save the world and Sakura
Just because you want a threesome doesn't make it a better end.
Ryder Young
What was Rem like in the WN?
Christopher Smith
A lot more yandere and crazy. For one, she loves watching Subaru sleep and everyday she wakes up extra early to do so in his room without his knowledge.
She also tries to roofie him in the King's Game chapter and is glad Subaru wasn't hypnotized by Felix because that means "she won't have to dispose of him".
Also she loves pranking Subaru and her sister. So she has more of an edge.
Levi Williams
It's actually very realistic, these kind of romantic relationships in anime/manga/VN/LN/etc feel the most grounded since being dependent is a common thing humans can't help but do.
Bentley Thomas
So what? A dewormed fat slut won't make up for a threesome with the former king of england and fuyuki's district overseer.
Brayden Young
>Doesn't the writer of this notice by himself how fucking bad and annoying this shit is? Rem is such a joke now, anyone seen her in the winter ova? holy shit. terrible stuff. and it's really a shame, because the initial ram/rem arch (including their backstory) was amazing
Read the fucking source material before typing anything about Re:Zero. You look like a absolute retard.
Julian Lewis
don't forget her superficial, polite speech and twisted compliments
Jose Thompson
for the anime content you are forced to read the LN instead of the WN unless you can read moonrunes.
>what are the differences between the WN and the LN?
The LN tones down characterization, foreshadowing, world building, straight up cuts content out, and past Vol 7 it takes influence from the anime which makes it cut way way more and drastically changes the structure of events. The WN is superior, except that it will never have official translations into english.
>wn fan translations
arc 1, none (LN 1)
arc 2, none (LN 2,3)
arc 3, none (LN 4,5,6,7,8,9) [END OF ANIME]
arc 4, the longest is the only one that is complete (LN 9,10,11...)
arc 5, is over half way complete
Even though you have watched the anime, I'll still recommend you to read the LN to Vol 7, It actually isn't that bad as I made it seem (until vol 8) and you get most of the things the anime left out and also able to get a better perspective on Subaru's character which is vital.
LNs 1-7
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user's summary is hosted here
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If you want to jump to where the anime left off, start with Arc 4. I strongly advise you to start with user's interlude (the part you start with) because his doesn't skip the Natsuki Rem chapter like Translation Chicken (which is canon by the way). Translation Chicken's translations are higher quality and more polished than user's but he hasn't finished Arc 4 like user has. Start with user's interlude, then switch to Translation Chicken or just keep with user's like I do. Also user's translation gets way better the farther into the Arc because I guess they were learning as they went.
user's Arc 4 is 1600 pages and 660000 words.
Carson Edwards
>Fat slut
user...
Evan Cox
From Heaven's Feel Normal End
Charles Miller
Depression can make you either eat a lot and get fat or not eat and slim as fuck, and those are the official stats
Elijah Adams
>I heard one of them literally killed themself
Good riddance
Zachary Allen
>what is muscle
Of course, a wormnigger wouldn't know anything about muscles
Jonathan Gomez
That's called accurate writing, as females are conscious about their weight to extremes
Alexander Martinez
>56/87
damn son, I wonder what her diet is to get that ass
Ethan Barnes
>Asuna from SAO is actually a yandere
>She's pretty psycho in the light novels and manga too
>Gets me hard as fuck
What about Quinella?
Andrew Rivera
Given your post number, clearly Satan
Jose Nelson
All deres are loved, the only ones are hated are the ones that are either violent cunts (ie shit tier tsunderes like Taiga) or happen to have something particular about their character arc that rubs some people the wrong way, as in the case of Slutkura selfishly killing everyone around her because she's too much of a pussy to give up on life and turning Shitrou from interesting autist into a typical cumbrain normalfag.
You can say girls like Kirino are hated, but at the end of the day they are still massively popular, they just happen to have detractors. Deres will always be popular, it's like magnet. Cumbrains see dere, cumbrains get heart boners, works every time. It's basically impossible to write a dere so shitty that she can actually be said to be hated. She will have vocal detractors sure, but she'll also always have a big fanbase. This is proven in polls every time.
The only exception I can maybe think of is Houki whose shittyness was a major factor in the downfall of the Infinite Stratos empire. But even then, it wasn't her being a shit per se but the fact that the author couldn't handle the fact that nobody liked her so he shat on all the popular girls instead. And of course, even with Houki, Houkifags are a thing.
Tyler Wilson
I lol'd.
Ethan Gray
>wormnigger
I hope you don't cry when the rest of fatefags make fun of your waifu with rincontinence and rhino, when you are the ones that get uppity and start using worm followed by Yea Forums buzzwords in most threads when the sakurafags haven't insulted rin in the entire thread.
Levi Martinez
It's also official that Sakura eats a lot. Also, stats have never done any good, how are they more official than the vn lines?
Julian Stewart
Brayden Diaz
Benjamin James
Michael Peterson
>reading animes
Anthony Cruz
>implying muscles are better than curves
Also, your muscles argument doesn't make sense since the most fit girl of the three is saber and she weights 42 kg
Everyone knows rinfags are the most toxic part of the fanbase by far, let them be, maybe some day they realize their arguments aren't more valid by spamming the word worm in every post.
Michael Sanders
>eating otaku slop that is anime
Colton Ward
She's such a whore
Michael Cruz
You're thinking with your dick.
Nicholas Morris
>rinfag
>thinking
Henry Martin
It just annoys me that they have nothing to contribute other than fanbase wars.
John Sanchez
I don't blame her, I'd want to take, molest, violate Subaru in every way.
Alexander Gonzalez
desuarchive.org
please, be patient, "they" have autism
Ryder Green
what the fuck, does this autist dedicate his entire life in hating sakura? Does he have mental issues or something?
Hunter Morales
The only redeeming feature about Sakura is possible threesomes with Rider.
Eli Perez
But why? What you don't like about her and how could she be made a more interesting character? I think she could have been decent if she also took part in the war instead of hiding behind Shinji.
Maybe even as an antagonist to Shirou or Rin.
Juan Williams
Does a deretsun exist in anime?
Jaxson Smith
>Maybe even as an antagonist to Shirou or Rin.
I think that was a part of HF.
Camden Cruz
Yeah but it was always shielded behind the "oh but she didn't mean it, so it's perfectly excusable for her to eat all those innocents". If it was by her own will and she had opposing goals with Rin, then making Shirou choose Sakura would make her more interesting.
Maybe she is dying like Kariya and winning the Grail to be free is her only out, so either Shirou helps her get it or opposes her and she dies.
Julian Green
>"oh but she didn't mean it, so it's perfectly excusable for her to eat all those innocents"
Oh not this shit again, she wasn't controlling the Shadow, she didn't think that she deserved to live after finding out the truth and she and Shirou try their best to repay for what they did and allowed to happen.
Josiah Harris
Yeah it's an abusive relationship. All smiles and care, then starts hitting you once trust has been established and it's harder for you to free yourself.
But the point is of volition. She's robbed of all free will the entire route, which makes her boring (like Emilia). If she was allowed to make decisions in the war rather than standing behind Shinji and later on, Shirou, then she would have shined more as a heroine.
Matthew Watson
She's more of a tragic heroine, she's probably the character that suffers the most but she doesn't complain and it's able to overcome all that and still be a good person. Though it is annoying that she was barely a character in the other two routes.
Brody Sanchez
>but she doesn't complain and it's able to overcome all that and still be a good person
Yeah and all of Heaven's Feel she doesn't do a thing until the end when she goes to face Zouken alone and without protection, which ends with her falling right where Zouken wanted.
>Though it is annoying that she was barely a character in the other two routes.
That also hurts her because we're supposed to root for her after all the time spent with Shirou. Except we don't experience that, we are just told of it. She lets Shinji do all the work in those routes and then he gets killed, and no influence from her is ever felt.
I'll admit before Fate/Zero and everyone and their grandma knew of the Sakura is a master twist, it was cool. But even then it was kinda easy to infer, given how Rider is very similar design wise to Sakura.
Christopher White
>Yeah and all of Heaven's Feel she doesn't do a thing until the end when she goes to face Zouken alone and without protection, which ends with her falling right where Zouken wanted.
That made sense, she didn't want anyone to know that she was basically dying and the rest of the crew didn't want her to fall into Zouken's hand, which ended up backfiring spectacularly.
Cameron Sanchez
We need official Sakura x Rider symmdock in first place.
Jordan Rivera
>she didn't want anyone to know that she was basically dying
She could still have used her servant more. Rider is quite powerful with her, and she could have tried to eliminate the shadow or at least protect Shirou a little better.
Kayden Ward
>And even then Rider may not be available due to Sakura's jealousy.
Read HA. Sakura just need some time and then is able even give blessing Shirou's date with Rider.
Hunter Watson
>and she could have tried to eliminate the shadow
And gotten Rider killed
>or at least protect Shirou a little better.
She could've, but Rider didn't completely trust Shirou
Lucas Morgan
>And gotten Rider killed
Or realized the shadow's identity faster and tried to fix the issue sooner. It's all hypothetical, but the fact is she barely did anything in any route.
Lincoln Bailey
>wormfags try to pretend she's deredere when she's yandere
>like all things, rin is better than her at being deredere
Aiden Wilson
Overall the ln is inferior to the wn in all aspects.
Gavin Campbell
Rider could've noticed that the identity of the Shadow and maybe she could've dealt with Zouken faster, but we could argue hypotheticals all day and get nowhere. You are right regarding Rider's lack of anything in HF, but at least in the other two routes it can be excused because Shinji is a shit master and Zouken wasn't interested in the war.
Aiden Hernandez
I'm pretty sure that's what I said.
Tyler Stewart
We definitely need see Future Rin one day.
Jaxson Moore
That's a translation of a fucking Japanese fanfiction you fucking mentally ill piece of shit. Stop posting it. You are literally insane.
Jace Sullivan
Emiliafags on suicide watch
Aaron Carter
I always knew that Remlosers were insane but this... this is pure madness.
Levi Morgan
Seethe more
Ethan Diaz
many on 4channel have issues like that, they fixate on loving and hating characters, some hating entire genres and trolling them to no end
Brody Nguyen
You're mentally ill, you know that?
Lincoln Robinson
I love char.
Cooper Davis
Post the real WN you seething Emiliafaggot. You can’t lie your way out of Subaru loving Rem.
Adrian Howard
They have issues like that. Anonymity provides the ideal playground for their autism.
Joseph Wilson
He doesn't love Rem though.
Dominic Myers
Ignore the troll, better discuss. What do you love about Rem? Or who is your favorite re:zero girl?
Eli Nguyen
samefagging hard
Brayden Reyes
See
Jace Davis
That's fanfiction though.
Gavin Rivera
Then post the real WN then.
Oliver Gonzalez
>deredere but just a little bit possessive and yandere
Peak female personality
Jace Sullivan
based mentally emillia fag
Luke Campbell
It's not you mentally ill loser, go act schizophrenic elsewhere
Luke White
Peak waifubait personality you mean.
Isaiah Cox
Rem’s cute and all but what I really like about her is that she is the girl who made the Subaru who was supposed to have ended move again, when she told him “you’re my hero” she had created a new Subaru, one who could set aside his inability, his inadequacy, all of his weakness and stand for the first time to do the impossible. Their dynamic becomes really fucking romantic when she gets erased, the only place she still exists in that world is inside his heart. Rem is a burden only he can carry and the fact he wants to carry that burden makes it even better.
>—I, no matter what, am going to,
>Subaru: “—Bring you back, Rem. No matter what, I'll bring you back.”
>Subaru had told her. That he'd show her, show her the man she loved, become the ultimate hero. So, would he not still be midway through his course?
>Subaru: “I'm, no matter what... Your hero will, no matter what, come to get you. —Be waiting for me.”
>He raises his head. Bares his teeth. Pronounces war on the enemy. He will make them regret touching what shouldn't be touched, encroaching on what shouldn't be encroached. And it'd be no man other than Natsuki Subaru.
>Subaru: “No matter what. —No matter what!!”
>He couldn't bear his memories of his days starting from zero being ones without her. No matter what, bring it back.
>Bring back the days he lost, the hours they lived together, the hours they would live together. Once again, his hands would reel everything back in, unfailingly.
Made me cry the first time I read it
Michael Hall
>seething
Nicholas Murphy
Oh and Subaru is my favorite Re:Zero girl
Easton Rodriguez
Not an argument, loser.
Kayden Evans
>seething
Luke Williams
Why so? If she isn't bicurious and lets you enjoy some sexy orgies with other females, then she's trash.
Brayden Lewis
Relationship goals right there
Luis Richardson
Yes, you seem to be, indeed.
Mason Campbell
everyone talking about emilia and rem when the real winner is the witch
James Martin
Worst relationship in the series. If that's your goal then I pity you.
Landon Ross
nobody talks about emilia cause nobody cares about emilia
Xavier Cox
no arguments, stay mad
Gabriel Phillips
/thread
Ethan Ortiz
They haven't spent any significant time together, he loves someone else, she doesn't even believe that he cares about her, there are no actual emotions between them, only lust... hell, they barely even know anything about each other.
There's some arguments for you, buddy. Weakest and most pathetic "relationship" in the series.
Cooper Evans
I just wish Rem woke up sooner. Are there any updates by Tappei? Last I stopped reading, Subaru was strangling a loli in the tower and then Gluttony attacked
Aaron Jenkins
>They haven't spent any significant time together
30+ days and many close to death moments
> he loves someone else
as long as he's single that doesn't really matter as feelings can change
>she doesn't even believe that he cares about her
says who? you pulled that out of your ass
>there are no actual emotions between them
what are you even saying? they would literally die for the other
>only lust
at this point Im actually laughing at you, where do this asspulls come from?
if you were talking about his relationship with Emilia then you'd be right at some points at least
Levi Lee
Deredere have yandere tendencies so they can be quite the hard to handle.
Jack Martinez
Basically
Lucas Johnson
30 days is not long at all.
>says who? you pulled that out of your ass
When Ley attacks her she isn't sure if the mc will even care when she's gone.
>what are you even saying? they would literally die for the other
Mc would because he can come back, otherwise he would not. And he would only use rbd for her because he wants to fuck her. That's not love.
>at this point Im actually laughing at you, where do this asspulls come from?
Cope harder, loser.
Angel Campbell
Not all. Some are such doormats they can get cucked beyond belief.
Jose Jackson
Rem best girl.
John Gomez
>as long as he's single that doesn't really matter as feelings can change
he already proposed to the potato
Dominic Hill
Fanfiction.
Ayden Richardson
>When Ley attacks her she isn't sure if the mc will even care when she's gone.
>I wish, when he learns that I am gone, for a ripple to rise in his heart.
>—In her final second, merely that did Rem wish.
Jaxon Foster
Post the real WN then.
Adrian Roberts
>30 days is not long at all.
living together for 30 days is a long time and every close to death moment is priceless
>When Ley attacks her she isn't sure if the mc will even care when she's gone.
first the quote implies something different and second it doesn't even matter what she thinks, fact is he cares fact is she cares
>Mc would because he can come back, otherwise he would not.
no when he killed himself it literally says that he'd try to undo her coma even by the chance of actually dying, funny how you try to bring up some throw away quotes from the Ley fight but ignore his suicides
>And he would only use rbd for her because he wants to fuck her. That's not love.
yeah and he visits her every evening and tells her sleeping body about his dayily activities because he wants to fuck her, makes sense
Brody Perry
She wouldn't be wishing if she thought that he cared about her, dearie.
Aiden Sanders
>Blahblahblah
Oh dear, and now you break down like a little whore on her master's cock. Pathetic. Fuck off with your "relationship goals" you worm. I have a better relationship with my right hand than Rem has with the mc.
Matthew Allen
Not only that, when Ley takes her personality in the tower, Subaru gets very angry because he realizes (despite his amnesia) that he's insulting his Rem.
Carson Morgan
>seething this hard
holy shit that was too ez
David Bennett
His fucktoy*
Fixed.
Christopher Myers
Not an argument, sweaty. Their ""relationship"" is a pathetic joke at most.
Levi Myers
Here you go.
Nicholas Hughes
get some salve for your ass you seem to be very butthurt
Christopher Price
>They haven't spent any significant time together
Over 2 months. And over those two months he spent more time with Rem then Emilia.
> he loves someone else
The Witch of Lust doesn't agree with you.
> she doesn't even believe that he cares about her
see , and she knows that he cares for her because of and their conversation at Flugel's tree prior to the battle
>there are no actual emotions between them
>“I won’t let you go! I won’t let you! If you… If you die, too, I’ll…!”
>As Rem stood before him, Subaru dropped the money sack to his feet, putting his hands on Rem’s hips and pulling her to him. He wrapped his arms around her petite figure so that she could not withdraw. If he loosened his arms, he would be releasing Rem’s life to fly away, too.
>they barely even know anything about each other.
Subaru knew exactly what would Rem would tell him. Rem never uttered "Stand up. Save Everyone" during From Zero. That was something that Subaru created as she never said those words. It's what Subaru declared Rem would say during Weakness Hideaway. And proven right during Stand Up.
>if you were talking about his relationship with Emilia then you'd be right at some points at least
I legitimately thought he was talking about Emilia at first
>She wouldn't be wishing if she thought that he cared about her, dearie.
If that's how you interpret it then you are too far gone. No where does it say that Rem thinks Subaru doesn't care for her. Rem clearly knows that Subaru cares for her.
>Subaru…
>Suddenly, Rem’s voice echoed across the now-silent room. Without a word, Subaru turned toward her, perfectly meeting Rem’s gaze.
>…If I am gone, will you remember me just as long?
>…I don’t wanna answer that. It’s bad luck.
>Speaking with a voice of dismay, Subaru gave Rem’s forehead a little poke.
>When he touched Rem’s forehead, she smiled with a happy expression, almost as if she’d received the reply she had been hoping for.
Cooper Ortiz
>Not an argument
says the guy who can't counter any arguments and starts to insult like a maniac topkek
Mason Moore
Yeah it's just a lonely little troll. Nothing important.
If I was Subaru and Rem was asleep like that, I'd love to use and abuse all her holes while she's sleeping. She doesn't get hurt, doesn't age and doesn't bleed. She truly makes the perfect fuck toy.
Now I'd like to know if it's possible to penetrate her hymen or if it's indestructible in her current state. Would any harm someone made to her stick?
And Rem being Rem, she probably wouldn't mind and actually be happy that Subaru uses her to satisfy his needs while she's potatoed.
Jason Morales
Who thought that it was a good idea to turn Rin into Bayonetta?
Connor Anderson
Witch of Lust literally supports my point, not yours. Nothing but lust. Pathetic.
Blake Robinson
Why does the Remfag pretend that she and Subaru have a good relationship? They really don't.
Austin Ramirez
wormed and forgotten
sage
Jeremiah Wright
the way you talk. nothing but butthurt. pathetic
Samuel Jenkins
Remfag losers seem to be the lonely ones, just saying...
Easton Stewart
Of the two who would be better at sex? Rem or Sakura? And what are they like in bed?
Isaac Stewart
imagine spending every day talking about some fictional character you don't even like, yeah I truly pity you
Jordan Lee
I accept your concession.
Joseph Jenkins
Literally Nasu.
Unless Capsule Servant was left to another author and I never heard whom.
Sakura, because canon threesomes.
Caleb White
>Witch of Lust literally supports my point, not yours. Nothing but lust. Pathetic.
Lust. Desire. Same thing. The Witch of Lust takes the appearance of the one you want to see most. Not the one you want to fuck most but those aren't mutually elusive. Rem is the one he wanted to see most.
Jaxon Allen
You wrote... all this? You sad little thing.
Alexander Ward
>selfishly killing everyone around her
You mean Shinji, Kotomine, Zouken and True Assassin?
>turning Shitrou from interesting autist into a typical cumbrain normalfag.
Shirou was unpopular as fuck before HF.
Asher Turner
you tried to argue for once, got btfo and then went back on insulting anyone who disagress with you. You should start reflecting on your behavior
Jose Green
>Literally Nasu.
I'm not even surprised.
Christopher Brooks
Apparently I've written 20 Light Novels and several hundred WN chapters.
Juan Brown
oh man what a shit show
Re:Zero fags and Fate fags in the same thread?
Andrew Lewis
Tsundere is just an irl cunt
I don't want anime and read manga just to see some bitch in there
Mason Walker
just some emiliashitters shitposting cause they can't get any attention otherwise
Parker Morris
Thought so. Plus Sakura strikes me as the more adventurous of the two. Like Rem would be eager to please but stick mostly to vanilla, while Sakura would want to take things further and seek out new depths of degradation and pleasure.
Both probably last very long in bed, with Rem having her water magic and oni stamina, while Sakura got her hyperlust. Bet also that sex with Sakura would be wetter, with her having more orgasms than Rem because of wormlust but also very fast recovery.
So what? You don't like it? Go to other thread.
Caleb Baker
>Sakura, because canon threesomes.
Rem can transform and it's canon that her horn is very sensitive.
John Miller
>when she goes to face Zouken alone and without protection, which ends with her falling right where Zouken wanted.
Going dark was the only way for her to avoid becoming the shadow again at that point, not to mention it gave her the opportunity to kill Kotomine, Zouken and True Assassin. A bad end around then shows that she was so near her limit that all it took for her to fall asleep and become the shadow permanently was True Assassin causing a blackout.
Oliver Hernandez
I realized in this thread how simmilar emiliafags and rinfags are
Jose White
>Lust. Desire. Same thing
Maybe your twisted little Remloser mind thinks that love and lust are the same thing, but they aren't. Not at all.
>takes the appearance of the one you want to see most
He wanted to see Rem the most because she's the one who is in a coma you stupid fuck.
>those aren't mutually elusive
Wrong.
Andrew Wilson
>You mean Shinji, Kotomine, Zouken and True Assassin?
You're forgetting the nameless masses she just ate. Not that I blame her, it sucks to have the embodiment of all evils possessing you.
Andrew Russell
are rinfags low iq retards who lie and shitpost nonstop?
Aiden Campbell
In how mentally ill they are?
Jason Adams
If only she could also convince Ram to join in for threesomes...
Ryder Bailey
Sakura wasn't even aware that the shadow existed until Gilgamesh attacked her. Also, Rider would have encouraged it eating people if anything judging by the Bloodfort scene on day 9.
John Green
Not an argument.
Lucas Lee
>the embodiment of all evils possessing you
Exactly. It was Angra Mainyu, not Sakura.
Henry Bell
>He wanted to see Rem the most because she's the one who is in a coma you stupid fuck.
No. He wanted to see Rem because he wanted to see her. Even if she was awake Rem still would be the one to appear.
>Maybe your twisted little Remloser mind thinks that love and lust are the same thing, but they aren't. Not at all.
The Witch of Lust doesn't want people to fuck her. She wants to be loved. That's why she was compatible with the Lust gene. She takes the form of the one you want to see most. The one you desire to see. The one you love. The one you want to see most.
>Wrong.
What did you mean by this. That there is no relation between the one you want to see most and the one you want to fuck most? No matter what Rem is both of them. First time Subaru saw something that looked like Rem he wanted to kiss it, to intertwine tongues" as my alleged fanfiction describes.
Jeremiah Garcia
Dominic Nguyen
Rem is the best
Landon Hughes
Literally every part of your post is wrong. Congratulations.
Liam Perez
yes, I belong to both fandoms and I can confirm they are the emiliafag equivalent, but less shitposters but way more dedicated to their shitposting, see
(specially the first of the threads you can see how fucking tired the rest of the fandom is with them)
They also have an inferiority complex towards the girl they shitpost about, they are also obsesed with popularity and since rin was more popular before but sakura cucked her in these last few years their butthurt has grown even more.
Their reason to hate Sakura is usually blaming sakura for the killing spree a evil being that possesed sakura did saying it was her. In the same way emiliafags use the argument of rem being irredemable because she killed subaru, when it was completely justificable in her point of view to do so, in fact you can see an example of that excuse in the post this guy replied to.
Dominic Cooper
But if she notified Shirou of it, or Rin, maybe they could have designed a counter. Or a way to subdue it. Would have been hella useful to sickle Sakura against Zouken and Kirei.
Parker Ortiz
worm slut
Alexander Morris
>That there is no relation between the one you want to see most and the one you want to fuck most?
I want to fuck my neighbor the most but I definitely don't want to see her the most.
John Foster
hot as fuck
Gavin Davis
I guess being the best at being worst is something of an achievement.
Jonathan Bell
>maybe they could have designed a counter. Or a way to subdue it
Yeah, you can totally control the embodiment of all of the world's evil.
Evan Jackson
>The Witch of Lust doesn't want people to fuck her. She wants to be loved.
Particularly true and what that autistic user can't get through his thick skull. Witch genes don't represent perfectly the sin. That's also why envy is a more powerful sin than pride, despite pride being commonly seen as the major one in our world.
The witch of lust is more closely aligned to love in the re:zero verse.
Caleb Gonzalez
that's emilia's achievement
Brayden Phillips
Yes
Kevin Adams
>Yeah, you can totally control the embodiment of all of the world's evil.
Wouldn't hurt to try, given how magic works in the Nasuverse and how Rin and Illya managed to summon an interdimensional weapon through Shirou.
Robert Bennett
To answer the question, Sakura is not a virgin and that the main difference.
But not only that, Sakura is a character that is a twist as for the first 2 routes you get the impression she is just a normal person and not involved with the whole Grail War, the 3rd and last route throws that on its head by making her the very central character of the route that is not what happens with either Rin or Saber (even if Saber have more focus in Fate that Rin in UBW), this further upsets waifufags and also the Shonenfags because they being Shonenfags managed to completely ignore the tone of the other two routes.
Rem on the other hand is exactly what she looks like, nothing but a typical Isekai fanservise waifubait that exists to be totally loyal and loving to Subaru, people dont like her exactly ... they just like the character design because thats about as much depth she gets.
Jeremiah Evans
>Rem on the other hand is exactly what she looks like, nothing but a typical Isekai fanservise waifubait that exists to be totally loyal and loving to Subaru, people dont like her exactly ... they just like the character design because thats about as much depth she gets
This.
Jayden Kelly
>Wouldn't hurt to try
Yes, it would. Every time that the Shadow pops up someone dies or gets crippled.
You can't control or subdue Angry Manjew and get him to do your bidding.
David Hernandez
>sickle Sakura against Zouken and Kirei.
I mean, that's basically what ends up happening.
Ethan Davis
how would you improve their relationship then? they support each other, are in love with each other and want the best for another. They don't break promises out of selfish reasons and they don't plot behind another's back. So how would you improve their relationship if it's the worst as you say even though it's mostly positive
Daniel Price
The shadow isn't even tangible at first until it's eaten enough people to start fusing with Sakura's body. We see on day 8 and 10 that the shadow can appear at the other side of town while Sakura is confirmed to be sleeping in Shirou's house.
Nolan Reyes
>they just like the character design because thats about as much depth she gets.
loving the mc and being loyal doesn't make one popular character cause that's as basic and generic as it gets, Rem however is insanely popular even today
Angel Gomez
Muscles are better than curves.
Curvy is just another way of saying chubby at this point.
Hudson Baker
They have the worst relationship in the series. I would improve it by trying to do the impossible and introduce some genuine love to it. The author clearly isn't interested in doing that.
Isaac Sanchez
>people dont like her exactly
you are joking, right? She literally wins every popularity contest she enters and has a huge following to the point where content about her gets 3 different translations while other characters get none
Tyler Myers
Oh it does, Rem is the same as Yoshino of Masamune-kun's Revenge ... her popularity is entirely based on her character design.
Colton Russell
90% of Rem's fans only like her design and the fact that she wants to suck cock like candy.
Leo Price
what resembles genuine love? what must someone do to convince genuine love?
Easton Brown
Rem is literally 100x more popular than Yoshino according to the numbers, yeah totally the same league
Ram has the same design and she's not popular mhhhh
Wyatt Sullivan
>what resembles genuine love?
All the other characters and their relationships. It's clear that Rem is just there to sell merch so nothing with her feels genuine at all. She stands out like a sore dirty thumb.
Blake Thomas
Because she doesn't want to suck the main character's cock.
Hunter Peterson
>All the other characters and their relationships
I don't get what you mean, can you answer my question more directly and with an example? It looks like you're trying to dodge it
>It's clear that Rem is just there to sell merch so nothing with her feels genuine at all
I have literally the opposite impression, she feels very genuine while Emilia is the waifubait that gets new dresses every second episode instead of some development
Luke Williams
You're just baiting at this point.
Aaron Carter
>It's clear that Rem is just there to sell merch so nothing with her feels genuine at all
explains why they try to push Emilia's superficial popularity as much as possible, oh wait it doesn't make any sense
Parker Garcia
okay but Yoshino wants to suck the MC's cock and she has a similar design as Rem and yet she doesn't even come close to Rem's popularity
Ryder Hall
>It's clear that Rem is just there to sell merch so nothing with her feels genuine at all
huh that's why the series is named after her speech
Dominic Davis
>putting the fag in Rinfag
Angel Bell
no, you're baiting and you still didn't provide any acceptable argument, your whole point is baseless and shallow any thing you say gets countered so easily
Caleb Turner
This thread would be so much better if it was about Ram and Rider.
Lucas Perry
I guess she's just not as pathetic and submissive as Rem. You losers don't like a girl with actual personality now do you?
David Murphy
Oh yes they are, I am not saying they are even more than emiliafags because emiliafags are already the barrel bottom, but as bad as them? Without a doubt
Jonathan Sanchez
Cope, little worm, cope.
Alexander Garcia
Well, I've seen about 400 differerent anime in the last 13 years and I never cared about any female caracters so I guess every one of them had too much personality for my tastes
Mason Bell
>Cope
Damn you truly showed him rin/v/ermin
Benjamin Lewis
again way too ez, you guys suck so much at making a good point it's just pathetic at this point
Adam Bell
Seems accurate considering that Rem is the one with the least personality. Maybe you finally found a girl low enough for you.
Joseph Perez
Not an argument.
Caleb Lopez
real talk, I would really like to know what goes on in your life and how you even got to this point
Nathan Edwards
Getting really personal huh, Remloser? Not today.
Lucas Parker
yes, because saying "cope little worm cope" is an amazing argument.
Camden Lee
I don't really care about anything you've been saying in this thread, I don't consider your opinions important at all and I've been taking your bait deliberately. You've been doing it for weeks or even months and I'm interested in human behavior so I'm wondering hpw you turned out this way.
Tyler Barnes
Isaiah Cooper
You're right on point with Sakura. But Rem got plenty of development that got shafted from the anime and ln. She has the most hobbies out of any other character in the series, and she develops through arc 2 and 3 (where she gets focus) from a mistrustful girl trying to imitate her sister, into a loving heroine willing to fight for what she wants and willing to explore and accept her own individuality.
Evan Walker
I'm usaully not one for cosplay but I'd give that ass such a fucking whiff that I'd create a vacuum in the room and the resulting pressure change would kill us all
Noah Walker
Ask yourself. It's not healthy to post the same pasta every time someone says that your self-insert doesn't love the waifubait.
And it's certainly not healthy to post it hundreds of times.
Bentley Anderson
>She has the most hobbies out of any other character in the series
Why in God's name is this something even remotely worth mentioning in your head?
Daniel Martin
You aren't talking to me. You are talking to another user who isn't the pasta poster.
Jaxson Brown
I agree it's not healthy but I'm not the user who posts it every time. Though it's healthier to post positives than negatives. It's off topic and not anime related but I'm actually genuinly curious what you behave that way, is it attention that you need or do you just enjoy repeating a mindless conversation every single day.
Eli Clark
Yeah the twist that the ignorant kouhai was aware of the war all along was a great twist. It really surprised me the first time I played Heaven's Feel. I think it doesn't help that almost everyone knows about it in this day and age, so Sakura loses an important aspect to her character.
I also wish Nasu took that further.
Daniel Jones
because someone who doesn't have a personality doesn't have any hobbies, having hobbies means that she also has interests and that she can talk about them, makes sense
Cameron Davis
Just stop seething already.
Charles Taylor
You sound quite pathetic.
Colton Jenkins
Alright, I will ask you the next time I see you post maybe then you'll be ready to talk about your health problems, I mean it's an anonymous board so why not
Hudson Ortiz
and you like an underaged retard
Parker Bailey
This is the same story with Archer. A lot of F/SN relies on shock storytelling that was still novel even around the time of the first Extra game but by now its common knowledge so nobody really gives a shit, and the characters suffer as a result.
Justin Brooks
She also did some Ram
Jayden Taylor
Jason Perez
Seethe more, fagget
It was also a trend setter and why it was so popular. I remember reading how the heroines in Fate deconstruct the old heroine themes. Starting with how they aren't perfect waifus and especially in how Sakura is a late heroine put in an antagonistic role.
Liam Roberts
3dpd is disgusting. End yourself.
Carson Cox
>3dpd
Jaxon Harris
Eli Myers
I’m so fucked up
Anthony Rodriguez
Who would be the more interesting heroine to have a date with? Rem or Sakura?
Luke Gonzalez
Subaru and Rem’s first date almost killed Subaru
Levi Gomez
Didn't it actually kill him? He only survived in later cycles when that date didn't happen.
Sebastian Ross
iirc Subaru considers him running into the forest to save the children with Rem as his first date
Charles Smith
That definitely tops going to look at some flower field together.
Dylan Watson
Well it also came before that. And I'm pretty sure Subaru did a test date with Rem first before taking Emilia out there if my memory serves me. I haven't touched the side stories since they came out so
Lincoln Gutierrez
>a test date with Rem
Based and Subarupilled. Bet that made Rem fall in love even more with him.
Hunter Jenkins
I have a problem. I love muscle but I also love curves. Is there some sort of middle ground?
Cooper Jenkins
Strongfat.
Levi Rodriguez
They are more like actual characters, its not they arent perfect but the fact they all have strong points and flaws ... take Saber that despite being strong and entirely capable of making her own decisions is consumed by self-doubt or Rin that despite her strong front she is weak-willed.
I get its hard to create actual characters, especially when they arent the main character, the difference is too often in Isekai they are just archtypes going off a checklist, they dont really go beyond their archtype even when given a chance, they are just so basic they are really nothing beyond background characters that are simple because there isnt either time or reason to expand on then.
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Cooper Davis
Alexander Brooks